[ga-abuse] Re: [ga] Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform

[Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org>]

Please stop posting ipv8 garbage to the GA.  Thanks.

On 2002-08-04 23:19:47 -0400, Joe Baptista wrote:
>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>
>To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
>Cc: todd glassey <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>,
>	Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>,
>	"vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>, <vcerf@mci.net>,
>	Lynn <lynn@icann.org>, General Assembly of the DNSO <ga@dnso.org>,
>	"Nancy J. Victory" <nvictory@ntia.doc.gov>,
>	Don Evans <DEvans@doc.gov>, cathy Handley <chandley@ntia.doc.gov>
>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform
>
>
>On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
>
>> Dear Dr. Joe,
>>
>> How do we block this threat of kiddie porn, or should we?
>> I stand high on the principle of choice but not to that degree.
>> I do not think Jim is working to create a bad scenario.
>
>not much we can do about it.  i simply mentioned the fact that ipv8 is
>secure enough for kiddie porn networks and untraceable.  of course on the
>positive side - it's also private enough to ensure every net user
>anonymity - including both the good guys and bad guys.
>
>but it does have alot of potential liability - which is why our ipv8
>assignments will be directly managed by our users - we can see potential
>headaches in it.
>
>% whois in-addr.god
>#
># [DOMAIN RECORD]
>#
>#        Domain:     in-addr.god
>#
>#  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
>#       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
>#
>#      DNS type:     Parked at registry
>#
>#        Status:     Active
>#  Date created:     2002-03-07
># Last modified:     2002-03-08
>
>% whois in-addr.satan
>#
># [DOMAIN RECORD]
>#
>#        Domain:     in-addr.satan
>#
>#  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
>#       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
>#
>#      DNS type:     Parked at registry
>#
>#        Status:     Active
>#  Date created:     2002-03-07
># Last modified:     2002-03-08
>
>we run 7:186 GOD ipv8
>
>http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
>regards
>joe
>
>> Thinking especially outside of ICANN what can we do to make it all better?
>> My three teenagers have a hard driven sense of morality that is more conservative
>> than mine but meets with general standards.  We speak frequently and indeed email
>> frequently about right and wrong.  I do not think we can dictate morality or
>> ethics to those who do not engage in discourse about life in general.
>>
>> You normally stay the technical course but you have swayed into my area of
>> ministry.
>>
>> You speak now of facts but do not offer guidance.
>>
>> What is your suggestion?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> Joe Baptista wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, todd glassey wrote:
>> >
>> > > If the Chinese are half as smart as I usually give them credit for, what
>> > > they will do is insist on two roots and an interoperability treaty. The
>> > > point is that ICANN has no right to insist that there be only one root, or
>> > > only one Internet. And what they (the Chinese Government) will probably tell
>> > > the world is that China has an Information Control policy that is political
>> > > rather than technical and that it must operate its own root to satisfy this.
>> > > If it is really smart, China might also replicate the entirety of IPv4 space
>> > > by simply implementing a set of Gateway NAT Bridges in and out of China.
>> >
>> > exactly.  and i support your view of the chiness position.  now i know the
>> > chiness are twice as smart as we give them credit for.  so i would say
>> > they would put some added catch 22 into the works that would favour them.
>> > and possibly use a terrorist angle - which is all the fashion rage this
>> > year i hear.
>> >
>> > > Now the world and the techies will jump up and down screaming gross
>> > > oppression, and that they have a"right" (and I assume we will soon hear
>> > > Cisco screaming about this too)... but the fact of the matter is that this
>> > > is the ONLY way any country can impose eBorders, and that is something
>> > > despite ICANN, that each and every country has the right and need to do.
>> >
>> > i don't know about the right and need to do.  in a perfect democracy no
>> > eboarders are required.
>> >
>> > > The problem is that ICANN and its PSO's have made it almost
>> > > impossible,without this type of compartmentalization, of having a judicial
>> > > boundary for anything electronic... And this is based in no restraint or
>> > > understanding of the global effects of new protocols on the Internet, and
>> > > the ISP's and long haul carriers just blindly laughing and routing them.
>> >
>> > exactly and with satellite technology routing around governments is
>> > elementary.
>> >
>> > > If The Internet was truly compartmentalized then Napster would not have been
>> > > anything close to the problem it was since it could be addressed this way.
>> > > Same diff with Kiddy Porn sites, and other illegal offerings.
>> >
>> > i have some bad news.  i have examined jim flemmings ipv8 and i would not
>> > be surprised if that protocol ends up as kiddie porn heaven.  in fact
>> > any group who does not want to be traced can use ipv8 to communicate
>> > securly in secure user communities.  it would put the power of napster
>> > into the hands of kiddy porn sites and of course anyone else with an
>> > interest in privacy.  impossible to trace.
>> >
>> > we live in interesting times.  i understand thats a chiness curse too.
>> >
>> > regards ;)
>> > joe
>> >
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Thomas Roessler                        <roessler@does-not-exist.org>