Re: [ga-abuse] Re: [ga] Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform

[k@widgital.com (Kristy McKee)]

With all due respect Thomas, IPv8 is not garbage.

~k

At 09:13 AM 8/5/2002 +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>Please stop posting ipv8 garbage to the GA.  Thanks.
>
>On 2002-08-04 23:19:47 -0400, Joe Baptista wrote:
>>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>
>>To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
>>Cc: todd glassey <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>,
>>         Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>,
>>         "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>, <vcerf@mci.net>,
>>         Lynn <lynn@icann.org>, General Assembly of the DNSO <ga@dnso.org>,
>>         "Nancy J. Victory" <nvictory@ntia.doc.gov>,
>>         Don Evans <DEvans@doc.gov>, cathy Handley <chandley@ntia.doc.gov>
>>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Dr. Joe,
>>>
>>>How do we block this threat of kiddie porn, or should we?
>>>I stand high on the principle of choice but not to that degree.
>>>I do not think Jim is working to create a bad scenario.
>>
>>not much we can do about it.  i simply mentioned the fact that ipv8 is
>>secure enough for kiddie porn networks and untraceable.  of course on the
>>positive side - it's also private enough to ensure every net user
>>anonymity - including both the good guys and bad guys.
>>
>>but it does have alot of potential liability - which is why our ipv8
>>assignments will be directly managed by our users - we can see potential
>>headaches in it.
>>
>>% whois in-addr.god
>>#
>># [DOMAIN RECORD]
>>#
>>#        Domain:     in-addr.god
>>#
>>#  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
>>#       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
>>#
>>#      DNS type:     Parked at registry
>>#
>>#        Status:     Active
>>#  Date created:     2002-03-07
>># Last modified:     2002-03-08
>>
>>% whois in-addr.satan
>>#
>># [DOMAIN RECORD]
>>#
>>#        Domain:     in-addr.satan
>>#
>>#  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
>>#       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
>>#
>>#      DNS type:     Parked at registry
>>#
>>#        Status:     Active
>>#  Date created:     2002-03-07
>># Last modified:     2002-03-08
>>
>>we run 7:186 GOD ipv8
>>
>>http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>>
>>regards
>>joe
>>
>>>Thinking especially outside of ICANN what can we do to make it all better?
>>>My three teenagers have a hard driven sense of morality that is more 
>>>conservative
>>>than mine but meets with general standards.  We speak frequently and 
>>>indeed email
>>>frequently about right and wrong.  I do not think we can dictate morality or
>>>ethics to those who do not engage in discourse about life in general.
>>>
>>>You normally stay the technical course but you have swayed into my area of
>>>ministry.
>>>
>>>You speak now of facts but do not offer guidance.
>>>
>>>What is your suggestion?
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>
>>>Joe Baptista wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, todd glassey wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > If the Chinese are half as smart as I usually give them credit for, 
>>> what
>>> > > they will do is insist on two roots and an interoperability treaty. The
>>> > > point is that ICANN has no right to insist that there be only one 
>>> root, or
>>> > > only one Internet. And what they (the Chinese Government) will 
>>> probably tell
>>> > > the world is that China has an Information Control policy that is 
>>> political
>>> > > rather than technical and that it must operate its own root to 
>>> satisfy this.
>>> > > If it is really smart, China might also replicate the entirety of 
>>> IPv4 space
>>> > > by simply implementing a set of Gateway NAT Bridges in and out of 
>>> China.
>>> >
>>> > exactly.  and i support your view of the chiness position.  now i 
>>> know the
>>> > chiness are twice as smart as we give them credit for.  so i would say
>>> > they would put some added catch 22 into the works that would favour them.
>>> > and possibly use a terrorist angle - which is all the fashion rage this
>>> > year i hear.
>>> >
>>> > > Now the world and the techies will jump up and down screaming gross
>>> > > oppression, and that they have a"right" (and I assume we will soon hear
>>> > > Cisco screaming about this too)... but the fact of the matter is 
>>> that this
>>> > > is the ONLY way any country can impose eBorders, and that is something
>>> > > despite ICANN, that each and every country has the right and need 
>>> to do.
>>> >
>>> > i don't know about the right and need to do.  in a perfect democracy no
>>> > eboarders are required.
>>> >
>>> > > The problem is that ICANN and its PSO's have made it almost
>>> > > impossible,without this type of compartmentalization, of having a 
>>> judicial
>>> > > boundary for anything electronic... And this is based in no 
>>> restraint or
>>> > > understanding of the global effects of new protocols on the 
>>> Internet, and
>>> > > the ISP's and long haul carriers just blindly laughing and routing 
>>> them.
>>> >
>>> > exactly and with satellite technology routing around governments is
>>> > elementary.
>>> >
>>> > > If The Internet was truly compartmentalized then Napster would not 
>>> have been
>>> > > anything close to the problem it was since it could be addressed 
>>> this way.
>>> > > Same diff with Kiddy Porn sites, and other illegal offerings.
>>> >
>>> > i have some bad news.  i have examined jim flemmings ipv8 and i would not
>>> > be surprised if that protocol ends up as kiddie porn heaven.  in fact
>>> > any group who does not want to be traced can use ipv8 to communicate
>>> > securly in secure user communities.  it would put the power of napster
>>> > into the hands of kiddy porn sites and of course anyone else with an
>>> > interest in privacy.  impossible to trace.
>>> >
>>> > we live in interesting times.  i understand thats a chiness curse too.
>>> >
>>> > regards ;)
>>> > joe
>>> >
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