[ga-abuse] Re: [ga] Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform

[Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>]

On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Thomas Roessler wrote:

> Please stop posting ipv8 garbage to the GA.  Thanks.

no - i post as required.  instead thomas let me suggest you stop behaving
like a dictatorial nazi.  calm down and take a valium.  looks to me like
you need to calm yourself down.

regards
jeo

>
> On 2002-08-04 23:19:47 -0400, Joe Baptista wrote:
> >Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>
> >To: <eric@hi-tek.com>
> >Cc: todd glassey <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>,
> >	Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>,
> >	"vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>, <vcerf@mci.net>,
> >	Lynn <lynn@icann.org>, General Assembly of the DNSO <ga@dnso.org>,
> >	"Nancy J. Victory" <nvictory@ntia.doc.gov>,
> >	Don Evans <DEvans@doc.gov>, cathy Handley <chandley@ntia.doc.gov>
> >Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Dr. Joe,
> >>
> >> How do we block this threat of kiddie porn, or should we?
> >> I stand high on the principle of choice but not to that degree.
> >> I do not think Jim is working to create a bad scenario.
> >
> >not much we can do about it.  i simply mentioned the fact that ipv8 is
> >secure enough for kiddie porn networks and untraceable.  of course on the
> >positive side - it's also private enough to ensure every net user
> >anonymity - including both the good guys and bad guys.
> >
> >but it does have alot of potential liability - which is why our ipv8
> >assignments will be directly managed by our users - we can see potential
> >headaches in it.
> >
> >% whois in-addr.god
> >#
> ># [DOMAIN RECORD]
> >#
> >#        Domain:     in-addr.god
> >#
> >#  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
> >#       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
> >#
> >#      DNS type:     Parked at registry
> >#
> >#        Status:     Active
> >#  Date created:     2002-03-07
> ># Last modified:     2002-03-08
> >
> >% whois in-addr.satan
> >#
> ># [DOMAIN RECORD]
> >#
> >#        Domain:     in-addr.satan
> >#
> >#  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
> >#       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
> >#
> >#      DNS type:     Parked at registry
> >#
> >#        Status:     Active
> >#  Date created:     2002-03-07
> ># Last modified:     2002-03-08
> >
> >we run 7:186 GOD ipv8
> >
> >http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> >
> >regards
> >joe
> >
> >> Thinking especially outside of ICANN what can we do to make it all better?
> >> My three teenagers have a hard driven sense of morality that is more conservative
> >> than mine but meets with general standards.  We speak frequently and indeed email
> >> frequently about right and wrong.  I do not think we can dictate morality or
> >> ethics to those who do not engage in discourse about life in general.
> >>
> >> You normally stay the technical course but you have swayed into my area of
> >> ministry.
> >>
> >> You speak now of facts but do not offer guidance.
> >>
> >> What is your suggestion?
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> Joe Baptista wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, todd glassey wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > If the Chinese are half as smart as I usually give them credit for, what
> >> > > they will do is insist on two roots and an interoperability treaty. The
> >> > > point is that ICANN has no right to insist that there be only one root, or
> >> > > only one Internet. And what they (the Chinese Government) will probably tell
> >> > > the world is that China has an Information Control policy that is political
> >> > > rather than technical and that it must operate its own root to satisfy this.
> >> > > If it is really smart, China might also replicate the entirety of IPv4 space
> >> > > by simply implementing a set of Gateway NAT Bridges in and out of China.
> >> >
> >> > exactly.  and i support your view of the chiness position.  now i know the
> >> > chiness are twice as smart as we give them credit for.  so i would say
> >> > they would put some added catch 22 into the works that would favour them.
> >> > and possibly use a terrorist angle - which is all the fashion rage this
> >> > year i hear.
> >> >
> >> > > Now the world and the techies will jump up and down screaming gross
> >> > > oppression, and that they have a"right" (and I assume we will soon hear
> >> > > Cisco screaming about this too)... but the fact of the matter is that this
> >> > > is the ONLY way any country can impose eBorders, and that is something
> >> > > despite ICANN, that each and every country has the right and need to do.
> >> >
> >> > i don't know about the right and need to do.  in a perfect democracy no
> >> > eboarders are required.
> >> >
> >> > > The problem is that ICANN and its PSO's have made it almost
> >> > > impossible,without this type of compartmentalization, of having a judicial
> >> > > boundary for anything electronic... And this is based in no restraint or
> >> > > understanding of the global effects of new protocols on the Internet, and
> >> > > the ISP's and long haul carriers just blindly laughing and routing them.
> >> >
> >> > exactly and with satellite technology routing around governments is
> >> > elementary.
> >> >
> >> > > If The Internet was truly compartmentalized then Napster would not have been
> >> > > anything close to the problem it was since it could be addressed this way.
> >> > > Same diff with Kiddy Porn sites, and other illegal offerings.
> >> >
> >> > i have some bad news.  i have examined jim flemmings ipv8 and i would not
> >> > be surprised if that protocol ends up as kiddie porn heaven.  in fact
> >> > any group who does not want to be traced can use ipv8 to communicate
> >> > securly in secure user communities.  it would put the power of napster
> >> > into the hands of kiddy porn sites and of course anyone else with an
> >> > interest in privacy.  impossible to trace.
> >> >
> >> > we live in interesting times.  i understand thats a chiness curse too.
> >> >
> >> > regards ;)
> >> > joe
> >> >
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> Thomas Roessler                        <roessler@does-not-exist.org>
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