Re: [ga-abuse] M1 against Kristy McKee

["Quad Patrick" <patrick@quad.net.au>]

Hi Alexander

Thank you for your email.

I have now replied to William X. Walsh with a copy to the Chair.
Perhaps I could make a few points:

(1)    Your analysis was excellent and I agree with everything you said.
However, I reworded your ruling to avoid the personal pronouns "I" and "me"
in the final email (because they are not MY opinions but yours).  Of course,
we all know that you are the only remaining list monitor.

(2)    I would ask both monitors to use the words "no further action"
instead of "ignore" as the latter has a sense that there was some fault
which is being disregarded.  Abbreviation is NFA.

(3)    Other things have occupied me lately and I missed the first request.
However, I think we should all agree that either list monitor can act alone.
In this case, I think that you could simply have replied directly to WXW
with a cc to [ga-abuse].  However, I thank you for requesting support and I
will be happy to M2 the complaint.

(4)    Leah was probably right that both she and Sotiris exceeded their
posting limits.  It seems to me that WXW is undermining the process by (a)
submitting trivial complaints and (b) selectively complaining against
persons like myself, Leah and Kristy.

I would let it pass this time but suggest that we consider these issues
further.
Meanwhile, perhaps we should try to de-personalise our role when making
rulings?

Regards
Patrick Corliss


----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Svensson <svensson@icannchannel.de>
To: <webmaster@babybows.com>; <patrick@quad.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 5:38 PM
Subject: Fw: [ga-abuse] M1 against Kristy McKee


> ___ forwarded message:
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>
>    From: svensson@icannchannel.de (Alexander Svensson)
>    Date: 27.07.01, 18:23:20
> Subject: [ga-abuse] M1 against Kristy McKee
>
>
> [Help! Since the complaint is targetted against Kristy,
> would either Chair or Alt.Chair or both comment on it?
> (BTW, this is the 600th mail in my GA-abuse folder...)]
>
> M1: Alexander Svensson
> Against: Kristy McKee, k@widgital.com
> Complainants:  William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> Complainant Comments: "Personal attack, thinly veiled,
> and contains nothing that is relevant to the business
> of the GA."
> Date:  27-Jul-01
> Messages:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00103.html
> Grounds: Personal attack and off-topic posting
> Recommendation:  Ignore
> M1 Comment:
> First of all, the posting is not off-topic: Kristy McKee
> replies to an analogy used by Kent Crispin between
> computer scientists and heart surgeons. It is not the
> list monitor's job to decide whether such analogies
> are especially helpful for the business of the GA, only
> whether they are irrelevant or not.
>
> Secondly, about the first paragraph:
> "Your lack of logic and loss of strength in communication
> concerns me, I hope everything is okay in your life."
> Had it been worded in a stronger way, I would agree that
> a warning would be appropriate. However, there is a
> difference between this sentence and inappropriate
> personal attacks which have triggered warnings and
> suspensions in the past: In my view, it does not quite
> cross the boundary between acceptable criticism and an
> inappropriate personal attack, even though it worries
> me that the sentence centers on the person instead of
> Kent's opinion. But a warning would set the standard for
> postings very high (i.e. interpreting every posting
> in the most negative way), so I would recommend to
> ignore the complaint.
>
> M2:
> M2 Comment:
> Action:
>
>
> > This is a forwarded message
> > From: Kristy McKee <k@widgital.com>
> > To: ga@dnso.org <ga@dnso.org>
> > Date: Friday, July 27, 2001, 9:03:32 AM
> > Subject: [ga] Letter from ICANN to New.net
> >
> > Kent,
> >
> > Your lack of logic and loss of strength in communication concerns me, I
> > hope everything is okay in your life.
> > --------
> >
> > Furthermore, doctors practice, while computer scientists and engineers
> > design and build.
> >
> > There can be no comparison drawn between Widgital and what happens in
any
> > given Emergency Room.  We guarantee results:  hospitals can not.
> >
> > ~k
>
>
>
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