RE: [ga-abuse] Re: Volunteer for Role of List Monitor

[R.Gaetano@iaea.org]

I agree with Patrick's analysis, from the discussion going on I also had the
impression that Patrick's decision was due more to consideration of Eric's
apology than public noise.
As a matter of fact, I did not have the impression at all that the "public
noise" was in favour of Eric: there were several messages asking for stict
application of the rule.

Anyway, the primary reason of my post is that, while I admire Thomas'
management of other lists, I have a concern about his nomination.
We have already as list monitor Alexander Svensson, who comes from a similar
environment, and people might argue that we may have a bias in the small
team.
The situation would be completely different if we issued a formal "call for
volounteers" that will give the possibility to other people, coming from
different geographical areas and cultural background, to put fwd their
candidature.

Of course that would imply the decision by the Chair to proceed to a
hand-pick of the list monitors from a slate of self-nominated people, but
that is, IMHO, necessary if we want to have a functioning monitoring system
(for the time being - on medium term we should consider these positions as
officials to be elected).

Regards
Roberto


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Corliss [mailto:patrick@quad.net.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 05 July 2001 18:34
> To: Thomas Roessler
> Cc: DannyYounger@cs.com; [ga-abuse]
> Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Re: Volunteer for Role of List Monitor
> 
> 
> Hi Thomas
> 
> > There's one thing I'd like to ask for: Namely, that in case of
> > ga-abuse decisions to suspend certain individuals' posting rights,
> > the chairs only make use of their right to overturn such decisions
> > when ga-abuse was clearly on the wrong side.
> >
> > It woudln't be helpful at all if list members would get the
> > impression that the chairs can be made overturn decisions based on
> > public noise - such an impression would just have the consequence to
> > create more such noise, and would not be helpful at all.
> 
> Danny, as Chair, has already made that undertaking.  When I 
> was acting Chair
> I was happy to follow that lead.  However, Eric made a 
> grovelling apology
> and promised to turn over a new leaf.
> 
> Given that he was guilty of the offence in the first place, 
> the idea is
> really to control unacceptable behaviour not to punish past wrongs.
> 
> So I chose to exercise clemency whilst saying that I 
> supported the original
> decision.  Nevertheless, Harald found my decision 
> unacceptable and resigned.
> 
> It seems that my approach worked.  Eric is much better 
> behaved now.  If he
> plays up again he can expect no mercy.  He knows that quite well.
> 
> How do you feel about Eric's case?
> 
> Our biggest problem is (a) not acting quickly and (b) not being firm.
> 
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
> 
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