Re: [ga-abuse] Jeff Williams

[Bruce James <bmj@keyname.net>]

I think JW & WXW are the only real problems we will have. It should be easy,
*if* it is just those two!   Eric has been better.

/Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>
To: "Bruce James" <bmj@keyname.net>
Cc: "[ga-abuse]" <ga-abuse@dnso.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 07:54
Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Jeff Williams


Interesting argument, Bruce.

Each mailing list could have a separate moderator but the present tendency
seems to be for people to subscribe to multiple lists.  They will therefore
see Jeff going through a whole charade on one list but when they look at
another list, he will still be there.

That will turn the whole thing into a bit of a joke.  And Jeff plays those
games very well !!

One way of looking at it is to say that the six new lists are sub-lists.  A
suspension from the main list, as in this case, should automatically carry
over to the lesser lists.

Another way of looking at it is that the rule-breaker is a single person
(not six) and has a conscience and free will to do what they like.  If they
know that an infringement on any list can get them banned from all lists,
they will be much more careful, imo.

You could say that all we are doing in splitting the single list into six.
Before they would get banned from all at once because there was only one
list.  Now they get six chances to break the rules.  As well, it will be
administratively difficult to work out who is banned from which list when
there are seven lists altogether (including [ga]) !!!

And it will get harder for repeat offences.  A second offence on one list; a
third offence on another etc.   I really don't want to get into such a
scenario.  Do you?

We will spend all of our time just monitoring the lists.  Then there's the
appeals !!

We can't cope at the moment and there's only one list to consider.

Regards
Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce James <bmj@keyname.net>
To: Patrick Corliss <patrick@quad.net.au>; Alexander Svensson
<svensson@icannchannel.de>
Cc: [ga-abuse] <ga-abuse@dnso.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Jeff Williams


> It is my understanding that *only* the [ga-full] list is open to anyone
> without rules.
>
> All of the *new* 6 MLs have the same rules of the [ga].
>
> I think each of the new ML should stand on its own. You should be able to
> post, until you break a rule on *that* List.....IMHO....:)
>
> /Bruce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>
> To: "Alexander Svensson" <svensson@icannchannel.de>
> Cc: "[ga-abuse]" <ga-abuse@dnso.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 06:26
> Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Jeff Williams
>
>
> Hi Alexander
>
> Thank you for your efforts.  I'm sorry to confuse the two issues.  It was
> perhaps a coincidence if two genuine people both subscibed more or less at
> the same time.   However, I am always suspicious where JW is concerned !!
> Perhaps we should just wait and see?
>
> Jeff Williams is not only subscribed but he has also posted to two lists
as
> follows:
>
> [ga-ext]    http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-ext/Arc00/msg00003.html
> [ga-roots] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-roots/Arc00/msg00003.html
>
> As I recall Danny appointed me the list owner for admin purposes.  As such
I
> received the following email (and others similar to it).   I will not take
> any "disciplinary" action without the approval of the List Monitors.
> However, I don't mind the extra chore.
>
> From: <Majordomo@dnso.org>
> To: <ga-ext-approval@dnso.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:00 AM
> Subject: SUBSCRIBE ga-ext Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
>
> > Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> has been added to ga-ext.
> > No action is required on your part.
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alexander Svensson <svensson@icannchannel.de>
> To: <ga-abuse@dnso.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Jeff Williams
>
>
> >
> > Patrick Corliss wrote on 01.05.01, 16:08:41:
> > > As perhaps expected, Jeff Williams has subscribed to the six new
mailing
> > > lists as has a person called Nestor Requeno <nestor1995@yahoo.com>.  I
> have
> > > no idea whether this is a false identity.
> >
> > AFAIK, the mail address Nestor1995@aol.com (note: AOL)
> > is registered in the GA voting registry. A "Nestor Requeno,
> > Member @ Large, Los Angeles, California, USA" has been
> > providing online comments in Yokohama.
> > A Google search for Nestor Requeno turns up a number of
> > pages using Nestor1995@aol.com:
> >   http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/campus/6964/
> >   http://www.cyberg8t.com/hoffman/
> > Nestor Requeno appears to be or have been a student
> >   http://som.csudh.edu/dkarber/501f97p.htm
> >
> > Maybe Nestor Requeno @AOL is real and @Yahoo is a
> > fake by Jeff Williams?
> >
> > Patrick: Could you tell us how you found out that
> > it is Jeff Williams who subscribed?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > /// Alexander
> >
> >
>
>
>