Re: [ga-abuse] Fw: BOUNCE Eric Dierker

[Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@Alvestrand.no>]

At 15:51 07.05.2001 +1000, Patrick Corliss wrote:
>We also need to consider BOUNCED messages from Eric Dierker.  These are not
>cross-postings but straight out postings to the sublists.  The below is an
>example only - there are many more.

Again - these did not arrive on the lists.
And for the sublists, we do not have ga-full as "objective" evidence.

I suggest we ignore all bounced messages; I have done so for a year now.


>Regards
>Patrick Corliss
>
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>From: <owner-ga-roots@dnso.org>
>To: <owner-ga-roots@dnso.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:16 PM
>Subject: BOUNCE ga-roots@dnso.org: taboo header:
>/^From:.*eric\@hi-tek\.com/i
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> > >From ga-roots-listadmin@dnso.dnso.org  Mon May  7 07:16:20 2001
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> > Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:16:39 -0700
> > From: Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>
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> > To: Patrick Corliss <patrick@corliss.net>,
> >         Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > CC: Milton Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>,
> >         Harald Tveit Alvestrand <Harald@alvestrand.no>,
> >         "[ga-roots]" <ga-roots@dnso.org>
> > Subject: Re: [ga-roots] Understanding legal precedence
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> >
> > Who ever this is attributed to is one hell of a lawyer.  Do not pay his
>bill
> > and fire him yesterday.
> >
> > I assume this is an illegal post by Corliss and has been taken so far out
>of
> > context as to hurt the intent.  but what do we expect out of an agenda
>freak.
> >
> > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> >
> > > Non-member submission from ["Milton Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>]
> > >
> > > Harald:
> > > An incorrect statement.
> > >
> > > The judge did not make a decision. You cannot lose a
> > > case when there is no decision. Full stop.
> > >
> > > More to the point, the whole Ambler-Postel-IAHC
> > > brouhaha has utterly no legal significance, for the
> > > reasons noted below.
> > >
> > > The ironic thing about the controversy is that Simon
> > > gives a lot of weight to Postel's decisions, as if
> > > Postel really had legal authority over the DNS root
> > > at that time. But Postel's lawyer later denied that he
> > > had any authority over the root in the Name.Space
> > > case, and kicked the ball back to the National Science
> > > Foundation.
> > >
> > > The most accurate thing one can say about that period
> > > (96-97) is that authority over the root was unclear,
> > > and contested by several parties. A local judge's
> > > musings in an initial legal skirmish have no bearing
> > > on what would happen now. The only serious legal
> > > decision on a related issue is the disposal of the Name.space case.
> > >
> > > Name.space v NSI and NSF did not really pose the same
> > > issue Simon is raising. The results of it were
> > > profoundly affected by the fact that NSI was a plain
> > > vanilla "instrumentality" of the US federal government.
> > > If ICANN were also held to be such an instrumentality,
> > > it might save it from Higgsian claims, but it
> > > would jump from that fire into the frying pan of
> > > Froomkinesque challenges to its basic legality.
> > >
> > > At 13:07 03.05.2001 -0700, Simon Higgs wrote:
> > > >The very first alt.root was used as the test bed for Draft Postel. You
> > > >can't kill off something that has a right to be there - and numerous
>TLDs
> > > >still around have Jon Postel/IANA's permission to be in an alt.root.
>IANA
> > > >even provided wording for registries in an alt.root to use as a waiver
>of
> > > >legal liability.
> > >
> > > >just in case anyone does not remember:
> > > >
> > > >Simon Higgs has argued this point of view before an >US court an lost.
> > >
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