Re: [ga-roots] Two standards

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marc and all,

Marc Schneiders wrote:

> Pardon me for being short. You forget two things:
>
> 1. ICANN is backed up by your government, the US. Others accept this
> so far. That gives all those supported by ICANN a huge
> advantage, at no cost. Nearly all ISps use the ICANN root. Don't tell
> others to be competitive. They haven't this free support.

  There are a few things that are a bit out of kilter here Marc.  First,
ICANN is not backed by the USG completely.  It enjoys a contractual
arrangement with DOC/NTIA that has certain requirements that must
be met.  It has yet to meet all of those requirements.  Second the
US Congress and Senate have something to say about whether ICANN
continues in it's contractual arrangement with DOC/NTIA.  Third, at least
4 of the largest ISP's do not exclusively use the USG/Legacy Roots
presently.

>
>
> 2. ICANN is still pretending it is working on some democracy in its
> organisation. I have not much faith in that, but the long talking
> process slows down counter efforts, e.g. a euroroot. Alternatives (say
> under the UN) are perhaps worse. So we'll all wait, and wait, and
> wait, and wait.

  I don't see all this waiting that you are purporting here.  New.Net along
with Prodigy and others are NOT waiting on ICANN for anything.  It now
seems that the ccTLD's are also not going to wait any longer either...

>
>
> Well, now we are not even supposed to discuss alt roots anymore in the
> DNSO. Or did I get that wrong?

  Yeah, you got that in part, wrong...

>
>
> On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, at 09:54 [=GMT-0700], Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > It is not so doom and gloom.  When the bully makes an ass out of himself
> > he loses some of his power.  As Michael Powell noted in his interview
> > recently, we need less regulation and not more.  It is consumer choices
> > which will drive this ether communicated world.  ICANN is really not
> > holding up anyone.  Technical and commercial forces are moving as fast as
> > they can at 10,000 new users a day- 400 plus per hour.  Catch a movie and
> > have a nice dinner and you have just missed over a thousand new
> > customers.  ICANN controlling or slowing things down is like Wilbur
> > stopping a train wreck.
> >
> > Our tiny little company drives over 14 million hits per month, and we do
> > not focus on driving hits, we just build them and they come. Do you think
> > we could not throw a million or so toward or against an alt root.  ICANN
> > is good for discussion, but if you think they control the net and hold
> > things up - rethink.
> >
> > eric(or has the "names" council given me a new one - oops that is outside
> > their scope)
> >
> > Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >
> > > Apparently there are two standards in operation. That is if I
> > > understand Cochetti some 10 minutes ago on the NC webcast.
> > >
> > > We should let VeriSign go on with its multilingual testbed, although
> > > there is no IETF standard, nor an ICANN board decision regarding
> > > non-ASCII domain names. They cannot freeze for two months
> > > until the IETF sets a standard. Why? Because otherwise others will run
> > > away with it and make the money, in stead of the ICANN backud up
> > > companies...
> > >
> > > However, where there are already TLDs running, for years, in the
> > > normal English language ASCII world, there we should protect against
> > > outside of ICANN processes. Therefore we ignore the alt roots, new.net
> > > and the like. We have a strong enough foot in this market and use
> > > ICANN to keep others out. So we do not even want to discuss talking to
> > > these others.
> > >
> > > If ICANN buys this line, it clearly shows that it is just legitimizing
> > > some favoured companies.
> > >
> > > Two standards. The only difference: we have the market already, or we
> > > don't. Are we buying this?
> > >
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