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RE: [ga-abuse] Sorting things out...
What happened to the complaint already M1-ed (see attachment)?
Thanks
RG
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Svensson [mailto:svensson@icannchannel.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2001 17:27
> To: ga-abuse@dnso.org
> Subject: [ga-abuse] Sorting things out...
>
>
>
> This is just a first list of the last complaints flood
> without recommendations, but with the URLs.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (1)
> Against: William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> Complainants: Roeland Meyer, rmeyer@mhsc.com
> Complainant Comments:
> > Mr. Walsh is about to re-open a not-so-old wound and to
> breach a truce. I
> > think that he should be warned. Old IDNO business is in the
> past. WXW has
> > exhibited stalking behavior wrt Joop before and on this very list.
>
> Message:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00672.html
> > Correction, a small handful of people, most of whom have
> not actively
> > participated in the IDNO in MANY months, voted that there
> is no reason
> > NOT to join the NCDNHC.
> >
> > What even those small handful did not decide was that you should
> > represent them or be the recipient of the money from the Salzburg
> > Institute.
> >
> > As a member of the IDNO, I intend to make the Salzburg
> institute aware
> > of the facts about your claim.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (2)
> Against: Jeff Williams, jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Complainants: William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
>
> --> Jeff is still suspended and the posting rules don't
> apply to GA-full.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (3)
> Against: Luc Mangin, luc.mangin@telepost.fr
> Complainants: William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> Complainant Comments:
> > What does this have to do with the business of the GA?
>
> Message:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00712.html
> > Dear Mr Gomes,
> >
> > I'll use the diplomatic langage throught the world since
> centuries !!!
> > (If u cannot I'm convinced people around u can do)
> >
> > Trés étonné de votre réaction de "haut" fonctionnaire d'une
> holding d'un
> > Ministère (de la Défense) Américain(e), je parle de la
> provenance de vos
> > budgets, de vos stratégies, de vos objectifs
> compréhensibles des protections
> > d'intêret, il me semble regretable que votre esprit
> Impérialiste ne peut
> > comprendre les besoins exprimés.
> > Votre sponsoring de $8000 pour cette manifestation n'est
> pas à la hauteur de
> > votre projet, vous devriait les inviter ...
>
> William X. Walsh has provided a rough-n-dirty translation:
> Trés astonished by your reaction of " high " civil servant of a
> holding of a Ministry (of Defense) Américain(e), I speak about the
> source of your budgets, your strategies, your comprehensible
> objectives of protections of intêret, it seems to me regretable that
> your Impérialiste spirit cannot include/understand the expressed
> needs. Your sponsoring of $8000 for this demonstration is not with the
> height of your project, devriait you to invite them...
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (4)
> Against: Russ Smith, admin@consumer.net
> Complainants: William S. Lovell, wsl@cerebalaw.com
> Complainant Comments:
> > Another complaint against Russ Smith (admin). This one happens
> > to involve me personally, and I believe it does constitute "slander"
> > -- actually libel. (Opinion cannot be defamatory (which includes
> > both slander and libel); expressing something as actual
> fact can be.).
>
> Message:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00715.html
> > Let's get realistic. Fraud, deception, and intentionally
> misrepresenting
> > the law is the norm in the Intellectual Property legal
> community. The
> > corruption is so engrained into the system that it has
> turned into the
> > normal way of doing business. The attorneys who make these
> excuses or
> > pretend that it doesn't happen are just as bad, and just as
> responsible, as
> > the attorneys who have actually engaged in the practices.
> While it is not
> > every single on, it is the majority.
> >
> > I am in the process of pursing bar association complaints
> against several
> > attorneys involved in some of the most egregious and
> ridiculous claims (with
> > both the state bar assns. as well as the USPTO) and you
> would not believe
> > the excuses and circular arguments I received. These
> people will do or say
> > anything to help protect their fellow lawyers.
> >
> > This is not "slander," it is FACT and every single
> trademark lawyers knows
> > it.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (5)
> Against: William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> Complainants: Joop Teerstra, terastra@terabytz.co.nz
>
> > Mr Walsh is again indulging in unsubstatiated accusations
> against a GA
> > member. He has been warned and removed before.
> > Please take action to free the GA from this kind of ad
> hominem "argument".
> > [...]
> > I filter Walsh, but others don't. This kind of postings has
> a chilling
> > effect on the free expression of others, who may be afraid
> to be subjected
> > to this kind of abuse.
>
> Messages:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00674.html
> >Joop champions only his own view, and his own agenda. You may not
> >have the full picture of the IDNO, Peter, and as such your
> view is not
> >really a complete one. You have no idea of the manipulations that
> >Joop has perpetrated inside the IDNO, and why many take exception to
> >him and repeatedly self-claims to be the IDNO representative or the
> >person who speaks on behalf of domain owners.
> >
> > > What objection to you have against Joop receiving travel subsidy?
> >
> >That he is using the IDNO name to get it, and he has no authority to
> >do that, to use our names to get his expenses paid so he can further
> >his own agenda.
>
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00675.html
> >No, he claimed to strive for that, what he was really building was a
> >structure where he was the effective leader, and that
> anything that he
> >didn't think was in the best interests of domain holders (regardless
> >of what they thought) he could sabotage, and use his position as
> >"Founder/Bootstrap" to justify his unilateral actions.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (6)
> Against: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> Complainants: William X Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> Complainant Comments:
> > Personal attack. 'Nuff said.
>
> Message:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00735.html
> > How does this "issue" relate to the business of the GA
> William? Why don't you
> > confine yourself to raving on the IDNO list and spare the
> GA list members the
> > claptrap...
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (7)
>
> Against: Sotiris Sotiropoulos, sotiris@hermesnetwork.com
> Complainants: William X Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
>
> > Clearly a personal attack, 'Nuff Said.
>
> Message:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00741.html
> >> Your other comments will, I'm sure, be the subject of
> complaint and I
> >> have no need to comment on them.
> >
> > A complaint?!?! For what exactly? LOL You and WXW make me
> laugh!!! LOL
> > <sides hurting, rolls onto the floor>
> >
> > Let me make my own complaint to the GA as a whole. I want
> to complain about
> > the lack of ANYTHING constructive, or HELPFUL, or even
> remotely SUBSTANTIVE
> > offered by WXW in his myriad of posts to the GA List to
> date. (I challenge
> > anyone to find *anything* which remotely resembles
> substantive or constructive
> > input from WXW in the DNSO archives!) I think it's unfair
> and despicable
> > behaviour to pollute GA List Member mailboxes with the sort
> of postings WXW is
> > famous for... I think it would be a good idea if we held an on-list
> > ostracism. My ostraka reads: WXW
> >
> > Ladies and Gentlemen, is there anybody who thinks that
> internal IDNO-related
> > matters have a place on the DNSO GA List? I may be missing
> something here,
> > but I don't think they do...
> >
> > Dassa and WXW, this is my last post on this
> > topic/issue/thread/whatever-you-like so go ahead and take
> your potshots as
> > such activity will clearly emphasize my point.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (8)
>
> Against: William X Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> Complainants: Roeland Meyer, rmeyer@mhsc.com
> Complainant Comments:
> > Joop, when are you going to learn to ignore this stuff?
> > William, I don't wish to see a re-hash of the IDNO list bullshit.
> >
> > I specifically turned down an invite to the new IDNO list
> because I was
> > extremely burnt-out with the antics of the last IDNO list.
> William, whatever
> > respect I ever had for you is long gone, as a direct result
> of what you did
> > there. I don't want to argue that either, all of us know
> what you did, why
> > you did it, ad nauseum. Basically, I am sick and tired of
> the bickering,
> > plotting wheedling, and all that this behaviour brings to a
> list. It is
> > socially unacceptable. It is the equivalent of starting a
> bar fight at a
> > Sunday church picnic.
> >
> > Basically, targeting an individual with your hate-mongering
> tactics, like
> > you are doing to Joop, is considered stalking behavior by many.
> >
> > All Joop did was arrange funding for his ICANN trip. Are
> you jealous? Why
> > don't you do it yourself? MdR was easy driving range for
> you, why weren't
> > you there? Why can't you let well-enough alone? More
> importantly, why do you
> > feel the right to subject the rest of us to your
> inadequacies and other
> > bullshit?
> >
> > Please consider this a GA list complaint. Yes, I know that
> you've already
> > been evicted.
>
> Message:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00748.html
> > You got this a little mixed up. The order of events is wrong.
> >
> > You came back and made yourself the leader of the IDNO
> again, on your
> > own initiative, and THEN you were engaged by me challenging your
> > actions.
> >
> > You can't use my challenge as the justification for your
> coming back,
> > when the order of events doesn't support it.
> >
> > You can't rewrite the history so easily this time.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (9)
>
> Against: Roeland Meyer, rmeyer@mhsc.com
> Complainants: William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
>
> The complaint is about (8) which was not sent to a GA list.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> (10)
> Against: Russ Smith, admin@consumer.net
> Complainants: William S. Lovell, wsl@cerebalaw.com
> Complainant Comments:
> > Personal attack, and uncalled for.
>
> Message:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00767.html
> >> Of course, we all recognize that
> >>AT&T is also a communications company, as well as a web
> hosting, business
> >>user, and Internet company. \
> >
> > I thought their main business was telemarketing???
> >
> > Cade is also involved in ensuring that corporations like AT&T have
> > unfettered access to the personal information for
> individuals. Cade lobbies
> > to make sure that no laws get passed that will place any
> restrictions on how
> > personal information is used by companies such as AT&T.
> >
> > I have seen Cade in action here in Washington. You should
> see how these
> > people operate. You cannot believe anything these people
> say ... and I mean
> > anything. Their allegiance is to their corporation and
> their stockholders.
> > They don't care about anybody or anything else. Many of
> them know little or
> > nothing about what they are talking about. All they know
> is how to suck up
> > to those who have some power. Lobbying, policy development
> and advocacy are
> > exactly the same thing. let's just say you lie on behalf
> of your parent
> > company.
> >
> > AT&T is in constant litigation because they cannot tell the
> truth and cannot
> > follow the law over violating privacy laws. I took them
> before the FCC and
> > they were found guilty of violating privacy laws. They
> still break these
> > laws and then lie about it (as anyone with a telephone can attest).
> >
> > see http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Enforcement/Orders/1999/fcc99401.txt
> >
> > Why should anyone believe anything said by an AT&T lobbyist
> is beyond me.
> > How can anyone be so stupid as to believe these people?
> >
> > But hey, if you have something to sell give ole Marilyn a
> call as I am sure
> > she loves telemarketing calls
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
M1: Alexander Svensson
Against: Russ Smith ("admin"), admin@consumer.net
Complainants: William S. Lovell, wsl@cerebalaw.com
Complainant Comments: "The following is yet another
email by Russ Smith containing gross name calling about
which I wish to complain."
Date: 17-Aug-01
Message:
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00547.html
Grounds: Personal attack, insults, slander
Recommendation: Suspension, two weeks.
M1 Comment:
This is the relevant part of the message by Russ Smith:
> Mr. Lynn is just another of a long line of stooges, crooks,
> liars, frauds, (and their associated cheerleaders like who you)
> that I dislike.
"Stooge" and "fraud" are certainly personal attacks,
"liar" and "crook" are strong attacks and slanderous
in addition. Russ Smith had just been warned against
personal attacks ("You are such an unbelivable liar and
a fraud."). There's no minimum of decorum here.
Proposal for a message to the GA:
-------------------------------------------------------
The list monitors note that the posting rights of
Russ Smith, admin@consumer.net, have been suspended
for two weeks, effective immediately.
The list monitors find that postings by Russ Smith
contained personal attacks, some of them slanderous.
("You are such an unbelivable liar and a fraud."
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00341.html;
"just another of a long line of stooges, crooks, liars, frauds"
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00547.html;
"You are lying. It is unbelievable that you are
blatantly lying like this on this list."
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00334.html)
The GA posting rules are laid down in
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html:
- The messages must be relevant to the business of the GA
- The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
- Not indulging in personal attacks, insults or slander
- Not using offensive language
- If the GA Chair or a list monitor asks for a limit to the number
of posts per person per day, this must be respected
- The size of messages should be kept reasonable (there should be
a VERY good reason to send a message of more than 10 Kbytes).
The list monitors note that Russ Smith has been
previously warned against making personal attacks and
have therefore now decided to suspend the posting rights
of Russ Smith for two weeks. This decision can be
appealed to the GA Chair.
-------------------------------------------------------
M2:
M2 Comment:
Action:
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