Re: [ga-abuse] Kent Crispin is being continually obnoxious

["Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>]

Hi Roberto

I agree with your comments below and thank you for your participation.

When looking at borderline cases, such as those where the monitors disagree,
it is difficult for a third umpire (such as the Alt Chair) to decide which
way to jump.  Whatever way I decide will be against one or the other.  On
the other hand, sooner or later a decision will be made.

I don't see any benefit in fudging further by asking you or others for your
view.  That would just postpone the decision and prolong the process.  So
I'll take it as Alternate Chair.

My view is clear.  Kent Crispin is the voice of ICANN staff and is a
necessary evil who must be tolerated.  Most of the time he provokes
constructive debate.  This ends up being a fuller and richer debate.  For
that input I am grateful.  I have said before that I would be most reluctant
to suspend valuable contributors.

However, it is clear that Kent has got some sort of grudge against certain
people and this comes out from time to time.  It is not an argument on its
merits but a personal attack.

I don't agree with Kristy that we are more-or-less forced to suspend
somebody on a second warning.  That overstates the case.  However, Kent has
often been rude to people.  And he has been warned.

So I'd suspend him for two weeks.

Regards
Patrick Corliss


----- Original Message -----
From: <R.Gaetano@iaea.org>
To: <svensson@icannchannel.de>; <ga-abuse@dnso.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 2:21 AM
Subject: RE: [ga-abuse] Kent Crispin is being continually obnoxious


> Dear monitors,
>
> My general attitude would be in a tie not to enforce sanctions, whoever is
> the sanctioned member.
> The rationale for this is that if we apply the reverse rule one list
monitor
> could force sanctions whatever the other list monitor's opinion would be,
> and this is, IMHO, highly dangerous.
> If a third person should break the tie, I would propose the Alternate
Chair,
> in order to leave to the Chair the privilege of the final say.
> Moreover, I recommend to recruit more monitors: if I remember correctly, a
> call for candidatures has been made by the Chair, and two people answered
> positively.
>
> Regards
> Roberto
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alexander Svensson [mailto:svensson@icannchannel.de]
> > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2001 16:05
> > To: ga-abuse@dnso.org
> > Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Kent Crispin is being continually obnoxious
> >
> >
> >
> > Leah Gallegos wrote:
> > > Why is it that Kent gets away with contantly
> > > insulting those who disagree with him in
> > > principle and others are immediately sanctioned
> > > or suspended.  The above is but one example of
> > > his obnoxious and insulting posts.
> >
> > I note that Joop's and Leah's complaints about
> > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00497.html
> > are the first complaints we have received about Kent
> > Crispin since taking over from Harald.
> >
> > I would very much like to hear from our Chair or
> > Alt.Chair how we shall proceed -- or from anyone
> > else, for that matter. Tossing a coin (or using
> > http://shazam.econ.ubc.ca/flip/) seems rather
> > unsatisfactory...
> >
> > Best regards,
> > /// Alexander
> >
>