Re: [ga-abuse] M1 against Kent Crispin

[Alexander Svensson <svensson@icannchannel.de>]

Hi Kristy,

thanks for reminding me -- I didn't look it up!
I may have overlooked something, but I just found one
previous warning, about this message by Kent Crispin:
> However, the GA, at least, has effectively been
> captured by delusional people who think that they have
> much much more power than simply giving advice.
(http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc07/msg01568.html)

The message Joop rightly complains about refers to Milton
Mueller's message
> The self-organization took place back in Spring 1999.
> An IDNO organization has been around since then, the
> powers that be just didn't like the people behind it.
> Can we agree that when _another_ such proposal comes
> before the NC that it will be treated less politically?
(http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00461.html)

...and questions Milton's claims (writing to Roeland):
> It's interesting how you take Miltons characteristically inaccurate and
> insulting statement and run with it.
>
> The "powers that be" may or may not like the personalities involved, but
> the FACT is that the "cyberspace association" (aka as the "IDNO") simply
> does not credibly represent those that it claims to represent.  That is
> a completely sufficient grounds for rejecting it.  In fact, it would have
> been totally irresponsible for the Board to do otherwise.
(http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00497.html)

There's no question that these personal sideswipes must come
to a stop. As Kent has been warned before (presuming this
has happened only once), I think we have the choice between a
strong warning and a suspension. When I look at the
personal attacks that have led to suspensions in the past,
I would choose to send a warning (worded stronger) -- a
suspension looks disproportionate to me here.

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Kent,

The list monitors for the General Assembly (GA) of the DNSO
have issued this warning to you concerning complaints received
about the following post:

http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00497.html

According to the rules for participation in the GA of the DNSO
  http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html
the messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
  - Not indulging in personal attacks, insults or slander
  - Not using offensive language

In the posting mentioned above you are referring to
Milton Mueller's statements as "characteristically inaccurate
and insulting". Sideswipes such as this are unacceptable
personal attacks.

You have already been warned against such list rule
violations. As you know, the practiced policy of the GA is
to grant a two week suspension of your posting privileges
if this happens again.

Regards,
[Kristy or Alexander for the list monitors]

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What do you think?

Best regards,
/// Alexander



> At 02:50 PM 8/15/2001 +0200, Alexander Svensson wrote:
>
>
>>M1: Alexander Svensson
>>Against: Kent Crispin, kent@songbird.com
>>Complainants:  Joop Teernstra, terastra@terabytz.co.nz
>>Complainant Comments: "These childish vendetta's (or are
>>they deliberate provocations?) have to be stopped, if the
>>GA is ever going to get anywhere."
>>Date:  14-Aug-01
>>Message:
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00497.html
>>
>>Grounds: Personal attack
>>Recommendation: Warning
>>
>>M1 Comment:
>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>Hello Kent,
>>
>>The list monitors for the General Assembly (GA) of the DNSO
>>have issued this warning to you concerning complaints received
>>about the following post:
>>
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00497.html
>>
>>According to the rules for participation in the GA of the DNSO
>>   http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html
>>the messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
>>   - Not indulging in personal attacks, insults or slander
>>   - Not using offensive language
>>
>>In the posting mentioned above you are referring to
>>Milton Mueller's statements as "characteristically inaccurate
>>and insulting". Please refrain from such personal sideswipes.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>[Kristy or Alexander for the list monitors]
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>M2:  Kristy McKee
>>M2 Comment: Kent has already received two warnings for this: it is
>>absolutely time for him to be suspended.
>>Action: Suspension Two Weeks
>>
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:42:48 -0700
>> > From: Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>
>> > To: ga@dnso.org
>> > Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Documentation request
>> > Mail-Followup-To: ga@dnso.org
>> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i
>> > Sender: owner-ga@dnso.org
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 11:28:41AM -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
>> >  > Denying a proposal because one doesn't like the people supporting it
>> is not
>> >  > politics of any honorable variety. It is slimey, subjective, and
>> personal.
>> >  > It also doesn't serve the best interests of the ICANN, in the long run.
>> >
>> > It's interesting how you take Miltons characteristically inaccurate and
>> > insulting statement and run with it.