Re: [ga-abuse] M1 against Russ Smith

[k@widgital.com (Kristy McKee)]

At 11:38 AM 8/11/2001 +0200, Alexander Svensson wrote:

>M1: Alexander Svensson
>Against: Russ Smith ("admin"), admin@consumer.net
>Complainants:  William S. Lovell, wsl@cerebalaw.com
>Complainant Comments: "Such name calling ("liar") and
>use of language should not be permitted."
>Date:  11-Aug-01
>Messages:
>[1] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00334.html
>[2] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00341.html
>[3] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00374.html
>[4] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00363.html
>
>Grounds: Personal attack, insults, offensive language
>Recommendation:
>
>M1 Comment:
>-------------------------------------------------------
>I would differentiate between [1]/[2] and [3]/[4]
>
>[1] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00334.html
> > You are lying.  It is unbelievable that you are blatantly lying like
> > this on this list.
>
>[2] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00341.html
> > Why are you reposting information that you know to be false?
> >
> > Why don't you try posting the truth?
> >
> > You are such an unbelivable liar and a fraud.
>
>[1] and [2] accuse Stuart Lynn in strong words of deliberately
>posting untruthful information. These two postings constitute
>inappropriate personal attacks.
>
>
>[3] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00374.html
> >>A Watchdog Committee has been formed to police the nomination process
> > to
> > help detect and cure
> >> any instances of fraudulent activity in connection with the nomination
> > process.
> >
> >>     The members to the Watchdog Committee in 2001 election are:
> >>          Roberto Gaetano
> >>         Harald Alvestrand
> >>          Kent Crispin
> >>          Dany Vandromme
> >>          Alexander Svensson
> >>          Izumi Aizu
> >
> > So where do report fraud in the chossing of the watchdog  committee???
> >
> > Hey, i think I will go drive around the beltway a few times as it is
> > more constructive than this BS.
>
>[4]
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00363.html
> >>Damn fine question!!
> >
> > You see that doesn't matter.  I don't bow down before the greatness of
> > the
> > ICANN staff and kiss their asses.  They then use that as an excuse not
> > to
> > answer, ignore the question, etc.  The content of the question does not
> > matter, it is who asked it.  Of course this type of activity violates
> > the
> > agreements ICANN has with DOC to operate in an open and transparent
> > manner.
> > I treat ICANN staff the same way they treat individual domain holders
> > and
> > they don't seem to like it.  I suggest they quit if they don't like it.
>
>The content of [3] and [4] is not objectionable, but the
>language is: The Merriam-Webster online dictionary calls
>both "BS" and "(to) kiss ass" vulgar. However, personal
>attacks are more serious.
>
>
>So here's my proposed warning:
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Dear Russ,
>
>The list monitors for the General Assembly (GA) of the DNSO
>have issued this warning to you concerning complaints received
>about the following posts:
>
>[1] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00334.html
>[2] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00341.html
>[3] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00374.html
>[4] http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg00363.html
>
>In postings [1] and [2] you have accused the recipient
>(Stuart Lynn) in strong words of deliberately posting
>untruthful information. ("You are lying.  It is unbelievable
>that you are blatantly lying like this on this list.", "You
>are such an unbelivable liar and a fraud.) These two postings
>constitute inappropriate personal attacks.
>
>According to the rules for participation in the GA of the DNSO
>   http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html
>the messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
>   - Not indulging in personal attacks, insults or slander
>   - Not using offensive language
>
>If this happens again, the practiced policy of the GA is to
>grant a two week suspension of your posting privileges.
>
>Please also keep clear of vulgar expressions such as the
>ones used in [3] ("this BS") and [4] ("kiss their asses").
>Thanks!
>
>Best regards,
>[Kristy or Alexander for the list monitors]
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>M2:  Kristy McKee
>M2 Comment: When Stuart posted the un-truths I belive he was attempting to 
>slander Russ.  Although I agree Russ must be warned, Stuart should also be 
>warned against his behavior.  I would support sending him a warning as well.
>Action: Warning