Re: [ga-abuse] M2 against Jim Fleming

[Alexander Svensson <svensson@icannchannel.de>]

Hello Kristy,

Kristy McKee wrote on 06.07.01, 18:25:57:
> I STRONGLY DISAGREE.  WE HAVE WRITTEN WARNINGS TO EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT
> WILLIAM WALSH WHO SEEMS TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO MASS POST.

William Walsh does obviously not have the right to
mass post: I have just M1ed a complaint against WXW
which is also based on the violation of the posting
limit.

> Warning first, suspension later.

I was under the impression that you had already tried
to convince Jim Fleming to abide by the list rules.
If I recall correctly, there had already been complaints
about his postings on 3-Jun-01 and 6-Jun-01, and you
agreed to Bruce James' request to "See if Jim is
willing to *tone it down*." In addition to your efforts,
Patrick wrote a very friendly caution (4-Jun-01):
 Personally I am very tolerant but I will take this opportunity to caution
 Jim officially that he should work with us co-operatively to develop policy.
 Many important issues need to be debated and we cannot be distracted by
 "brute force" postings.
 So, Jim, can you use your undoubted expertise constructively, please?

> If you suspend Jim for this I will make public your decision to not suspend
> William Walsh in addition to the unfair treatment of Mr. Fleming.

Excuse me, Kristy, but I think there must be a
terrible misunderstanding here: There is no such
"decision to not suspend William Walsh" by me;
I just recommended suspending him.

In my view, if we are prepared to suspend William
X. Walsh for 7 postings/24 hrs. and attacks, fairness
requires us to also suspend Jim Fleming for his
12 postings/24 hrs. if he has been cautioned before.
And I would like to have a quick decision on this,
or others will get the impression that they can also
get away with more than double the posting limit.

Best regards,
/// Alexander


P.S.: I strongly object to the threat of
'making something public': ga-abuse@dnso.org is not
a back room, it's an e-mail alias for processing
complaints -- every posting should be publishable.
Not to mention that I object to threats in general.

> At 11:26 PM 7/6/2001 +0200, Alexander Svensson wrote:

>>M1: Patrick Corliss
>>M2: Alexander Svensson
>>Against: Jim Fleming, JimFleming@prodigy.net
>>Complainant:  Thomas Roessler, roessler@does-not-exist.org
>>Date:  July 5, several postings
>>Messages:
>>
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:40:32 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03393.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:01:35 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03394.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:53:19 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03397.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:09:00 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03398.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:51:46 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03403.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:47 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03405.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:22:35 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03406.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:27:55 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03409.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:15:54 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03415.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:35:32 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03425.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:53:31 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03426.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:56:08 -0500
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03427.html
>>
>>Grounds: Violation of posting limit
>>
>>M2 Comment:
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>The list monitors find that Jim Fleming has broken
>>the posting limit by sending twelve mails to the GA
>>within a 24 hours period:
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:40:32
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03393.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:01:35
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03394.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:53:19
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03397.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:09:00
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03398.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:51:46
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03403.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:47
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03405.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:22:35
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03406.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:27:55
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03409.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:15:54
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03415.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:35:32
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03425.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:53:31
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03426.html
>>Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:56:08
>>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03427.html
>>
>>The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
>>rights of Jim Fleming for two weeks. This decision
>>can be appealed to the GA Chair.
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Judgment: Suspension for two weeks.