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[ga-abuse] Jim Fleming is exceeding posting limits.
Eight messages within less than five hours, according to his date
headers. I think he's exaggerating again, and should be dealt with
appropriately.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <ga_list@hotmail.com>
> Good.
> From my part, I am looking forward to an Independence Day for Netizens
> outside the United States to celebrate an Internet Governance that is not
> taken hostage by US Governemnt and US Congress.
>
If you are looking for that on the IPv4 Internet, you might wait a long
time.
You have to look at the Address Space Allocations to understand what is
under (or behind) what you are using. Here is a sample, of who "owns"
the cyberspace you are walking on.....
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
Address Block Registry - Purpose Date
--------------- --------------------------------------- ------
000/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
001/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
002/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
003/8 General Electric Company May 94
004/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92
005/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95
006/8 Army Information Systems Center Feb 94
007/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95
008/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92
009/8 IBM Aug 92
010/8 IANA - Private Use Jun 95
011/8 DoD Intel Information Systems May 93
012/8 AT&T Bell Laboratories Jun 95
013/8 Xerox Corporation Sep 91
014/8 IANA - Public Data Network Jun 91
015/8 Hewlett-Packard Company Jul 94
016/8 Digital Equipment Corporation Nov 94
017/8 Apple Computer Inc. Jul 92
018/8 MIT Jan 94
019/8 Ford Motor Company May 95
020/8 Computer Sciences Corporation Oct 94
021/8 DDN-RVN Jul 91
022/8 Defense Information Systems Agency May 93
023/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95
024/8 ARIN - Cable Block May 01
(Formerly IANA - Jul 95)
025/8 Royal Signals and Radar Establishment Jan 95
026/8 Defense Information Systems Agency May 95
027/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95
028/8 DSI-North Jul 92
029/8 Defense Information Systems Agency Jul 91
030/8 Defense Information Systems Agency Jul 91
-------
If each of the above were an acre of land and there are only 200 acres,
one might wonder why/how this small group of people and/or companies
came to own the land.....
Who will own the land on Next Generation Internets ?
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development
Jim Fleming
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Peter,
In my opinion, I think you might want to focus on the money,
as suggested by Chuck Gomes.
Can you explain where all of the money flows in the Domain Business ?
In most MLMs- Multi-Level-Marketing organizations, people have some
sense for where the money flows.
As a starting point, how can you afford to "jet set" around the world all
year ?
What are the gross revenues from the .VI Registry you run ?
Jim Fleming
http://www.unir.com
Mars 128n 128e
http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif
http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif
http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter de Blanc" <pdeblanc@usvi.net>
To: "'Bret A. Fausett'" <baf@fausett.com>; "'Gomes, Chuck'"
<cgomes@verisign.com>; "'Patrick Corliss'" <patrick@quad.net.au>; "'Philip
Sheppard'" <philip.sheppard@aim.be>
Cc: "'M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN'" <lynn@icann.org>; "'[ga]'" <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the World
> We need to separate this "Individual Domain Name Holders, and other
> persons who are NOT a member of any constituency from those who ARE
> members of a (DNSO) constituency.
>
> Within the DNSO, of course the secretariat provides service to the
> entire DNSO.
>
> What is at issue, is who can request services from the secretariat, or
> authorize incurring costs.
>
> Historically, direction to the secretariat to set up lists, incur costs,
> etc, has come from the Names Council, who represents the constituencies.
> After all, the constituencies elected their NC reps.
>
>
> Perhaps what is needed is a clear definition of who is authorized to
> make these requests, and a procedure for GA chair to generate such
> requests for authorization.
>
> Should the GA chair be able to generate such requests unilaterally?
>
> Or
>
> Should such requests be generated after consensus is reached on the
> subject on the GA list or in face to face meetings
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Bret A.
> Fausett
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:23 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; 'Patrick Corliss'; Philip Sheppard
> Cc: M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN; [ga]
> Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
> World
>
>
> Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > Let me see if I understand this. The constituencies pay for the
> > services, but the GA wants to call the shots?
>
> The GA is _supposed to be_ an umbrella organization encompassing all the
> constituencies, so the idea that resources could be allocated to it
> without charging those who participate in it a separate fee isn't that
> hard to accept. I hope the current problem of this being a de facto
> place for unaffiliated DNSO participants will be cured when an
> individual domain name owners constituency is finally chartered and
> operational.
>
> -- Bret
>
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Can you explain where all of the money flows in the Domain Business ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter de Blanc" <pdeblanc@usvi.net>
To: "'Jim Fleming'" <JimFleming@prodigy.net>; "'Bret A. Fausett'"
<baf@fausett.com>; "'Gomes, Chuck'" <cgomes@verisign.com>; "'Patrick
Corliss'" <patrick@quad.net.au>; "'Philip Sheppard'"
<philip.sheppard@aim.be>
Cc: "'M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN'" <lynn@icann.org>; "'[ga]'" <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the World
> Jim:
>
> I can afford it because I sold the ISP Internet access division of my
> company to a public company some time ago. I pay my own expenses, I
> guess you'd say it is 'pro bono'.
>
> The VI registry is a small registry, and is closed at the second level
> to locals only. Financially, it operates under a subsidy.
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:09 PM
> To: Peter de Blanc; 'Bret A. Fausett'; 'Gomes, Chuck'; 'Patrick
> Corliss'; 'Philip Sheppard'
> Cc: 'M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN'; '[ga]'
> Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
> World
>
>
> Peter,
>
> In my opinion, I think you might want to focus on the money, as
> suggested by Chuck Gomes.
>
> Can you explain where all of the money flows in the Domain Business ?
>
> In most MLMs- Multi-Level-Marketing organizations, people have some
> sense for where the money flows.
>
> As a starting point, how can you afford to "jet set" around the world
> all year ? What are the gross revenues from the .VI Registry you run ?
>
>
> Jim Fleming
> http://www.unir.com
> Mars 128n 128e
> http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif
> http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif
> http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter de Blanc" <pdeblanc@usvi.net>
> To: "'Bret A. Fausett'" <baf@fausett.com>; "'Gomes, Chuck'"
> <cgomes@verisign.com>; "'Patrick Corliss'" <patrick@quad.net.au>;
> "'Philip Sheppard'" <philip.sheppard@aim.be>
> Cc: "'M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN'" <lynn@icann.org>; "'[ga]'" <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:07 AM
> Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
> World
>
>
> > We need to separate this "Individual Domain Name Holders, and other
> > persons who are NOT a member of any constituency from those who ARE
> > members of a (DNSO) constituency.
> >
> > Within the DNSO, of course the secretariat provides service to the
> > entire DNSO.
> >
> > What is at issue, is who can request services from the secretariat, or
>
> > authorize incurring costs.
> >
> > Historically, direction to the secretariat to set up lists, incur
> > costs, etc, has come from the Names Council, who represents the
> > constituencies. After all, the constituencies elected their NC reps.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps what is needed is a clear definition of who is authorized to
> > make these requests, and a procedure for GA chair to generate such
> > requests for authorization.
> >
> > Should the GA chair be able to generate such requests unilaterally?
> >
> > Or
> >
> > Should such requests be generated after consensus is reached on the
> > subject on the GA list or in face to face meetings
> >
> > Peter de Blanc
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Bret
> > A. Fausett
> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:23 AM
> > To: Gomes, Chuck; 'Patrick Corliss'; Philip Sheppard
> > Cc: M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN; [ga]
> > Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
> > World
> >
> >
> > Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > > Let me see if I understand this. The constituencies pay for the
> > > services, but the GA wants to call the shots?
> >
> > The GA is _supposed to be_ an umbrella organization encompassing all
> > the constituencies, so the idea that resources could be allocated to
> > it without charging those who participate in it a separate fee isn't
> > that hard to accept. I hope the current problem of this being a de
> > facto place for unaffiliated DNSO participants will be cured when an
> > individual domain name owners constituency is finally chartered and
> > operational.
> >
> > -- Bret
> >
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Chuck,
You may have forgotten, the "customers" pay for the services....
Customers are behind each of those $6 per year fees that go to you.
With 30 million of them, that is $180,000,000 per year to run a cluster
of nameservers ?.....and some database servers for the Registrars...???
....that operation should largely be untouched by human hands, if it is not,
there must be a reason....if it costs more than say $10,000,000 per year
to run that operation....there must be a reason....where does the other
$170,000,000 per year go ?....certainly not back to the customers...
...or the Registrars....
Please explain where the $170,000,000 goes....
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development
Jim Fleming
http://www.DOT-Arizona.com
http://www.DOT.Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com>
To: "'Patrick Corliss'" <patrick@quad.net.au>; "Philip Sheppard"
<philip.sheppard@aim.be>
Cc: "M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN" <lynn@icann.org>; "Names Council"
<council@dnso.org>; "[ga]" <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the World
> Let me see if I understand this. The constituencies pay for the services,
> but the GA wants to call the shots?
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Corliss [mailto:patrick@quad.net.au]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:34 AM
> To: Philip Sheppard
> Cc: M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN; Names Council; [ga]
> Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
> World
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:59:27 +1000, Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> > I cannot understand why the DNSO Secretariate shouldn't treat us like
the
> > CLIENT with some sort of service level agreement for mailing lists and
> > websites.
>
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:50:36 +0200, Philip Sheppard wrote:
>
> > Finally, the NC has spent considerable time to start a recruitment and
> > fund raising process in order to improve DNSO secretariat support. The
> > GA like the NC will be a beneficiary of this.
>
> Tell me you're kidding. Do we get to select the service provider?
>
> Independently of Names Council control?
>
> Regards
> Patrick Corliss
>
>
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- To: "ga ml" <ga@dnso.org>
- Subject: [ga] Fw: stay on topic
- From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@prodigy.net>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:53:19 -0500
- Delivered-To: roessler@sobolev.does-not-exist.org
- Delivered-To: tlrpop@mediacompany.com
- Delivered-To: roessler@mail.mediacompany.com
- Sender: owner-ga@dnso.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "James M Galvin" <galvin@acm.org>
To: <poised@lists.tislabs.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: stay on topic
> Speaking as co-Chair, I would like to remind everyone to keep their
> messages focused on answering the questions before us. There is quite a
> bit of discussion that is at best only fringe-related to the issues on
> the table.
>
> There are two issues before us now:
>
> 1. The WG Last Call for the Guidelines for Conduct document.
>
> 2. The review of the NOTE WELL document.
>
> Interpreting silence as approval, I would say there is consensus for
> both. That is not to say there haven't been any objections, I just
> haven't seen significant support for any of it. There have also been
> some suggestions that will be addressed and summarized later.
>
> If you have a comment about either of these documents, a short note with
> your comment and a suggestion for a change would be appreciated.
> Several short messages (one for each suggestion) are better than one
> long message.
>
> Harald, do you want to close the discussion of the NOTE WELL? Did you
> get enough comments to decide on a new version for publication?
>
> Susan can summarize the status of the Guidelines document next week
> before we send it to the IESG.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
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- To: "Bruce James" <bmjames@swbell.net>, "GA" <ga@dnso.org>
- Subject: 0:139 KIDS.....Re: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS
- From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@prodigy.net>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:22:35 -0500
- Delivered-To: roessler@sobolev.does-not-exist.org
- Delivered-To: tlrpop@mediacompany.com
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- Sender: owner-ga@dnso.org
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
0:139 KIDS
.KIDS is already operational on the IPv4 proof-of-concept Internet
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development
Jim Fleming
http://www.DOT-Arizona.com
http://www.DOT.Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce James
To: GA
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:11 PM
Subject: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS
H. R. 2417
IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES
To facilitate the creation of a new global top-level Internet domain that
will be a haven for material that will promote positive experiences of
children and families using the Internet, to provide a safe online
environment for children, and to help prevent children from being exposed to
harmful material on the Internet, and for other purposes.
I urge all of the GA to write, phone and email your local congressperson to
*Co-Sponsor HR 2417*. This bill needs co-sponsors to get anywhere. Please
use the link below to find their address.
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
This new gTLD .KIDS is a very good idea for the safety of our children! We
need your *HELP*!
/Bruce James
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- To: "ga ml" <ga@dnso.org>
- Subject: [ga] Funding $$$$ Falacies, Follies, etc.
- From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@prodigy.net>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:51:46 -0500
- Delivered-To: roessler@sobolev.does-not-exist.org
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Funding $$$$ Falacies, Follies, etc.
People think the $6 per year, per domain, goes to the U.S. Department of
Commerce.
....no one seems to know where it goes...
People assume that ALL of the TLDs share EQUALLY in those $6 per year
fees....
...some TLDs complain they are not getting any of those fees...
Some people are paid $250,000 per year to do nothing....they are never "in"
the office...
Some lawyers are paid $250,000 per month....for what ?, no one knows....
Thousands of people are now rushing to "create TLDs"....assuming they will
share in all of the above cash flow....they are asking very simple
questions....
...and get no answers....
Other people seem to take the position they want to step up for their
$250,000
per year and that is all they care about.....no one seems to be able to
figure out
that the supply of $250,000 pay checks may be limited...
The ICANN staff is growing and the costs are growing....no one knows why....
....the ICANN Board seems to be non-involved....
Meanwhile....everything seems to be progressing OK....and the Internet has
not crashed as people predicted....
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development
Jim Fleming
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- To: "ga ml" <ga@dnso.org>
- Subject: [ga] Steady State $$$ and Domains
- From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@prodigy.net>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:47 -0500
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There was a time on the IPv4 Internet, where people described it
as "Ma, Pa and a T1".....the Next Generation Internet is reaching that
point...
As people survey the state of the Domain Business, they naturally are
trying to figure out the Steady State for the $$$. That shapes their
investment
decisions.
If one believes the analysts who claim that the SLD.TLD namespace will reach
a steady state of 120,000,000 names and one assumes about 2,000 Top Level
Domains (TLDs), then this amounts to an average of 60,000 SLD.TLD names
per TLD, if one assumes some even distribution.
If one then assumes that "Ma, Pa, their T1, and servers" need about $10
million
per year to operate, this amounts to $166.66 per year, on average, per
SLD.TLD.
For every SLD.TLD name at $6 per year, there may be one at $320 per year.
Does anyone have any idea how many of these people jet-setting around to
the ICANN meetings all year, have reached these steady state levels ?
Jim Fleming
http://www.unir.com
Mars 128n 128e
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http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif
http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html
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http://www.icann.org/announcements/icann-pr04jul01-3.htm
Announcement 4 July 2001
Information About .biz and .info Top-Level Domains Available
available at web sites operated by their registry operators
<http://www.nic.biz> and <http://www.nic.info>.
-----------------------------------------------------
NIC.BIZ is not listed here...
http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/biz/registry-agmt-appx-11may01.htm
ldap.biz
multilingual.biz
mybiz.biz
network.biz
<<<<<<<<<???? NIC.BIZ ????
nntp.biz
ntp.biz
order.biz
-----------------------------------------------------
...current whois for NIC.BIZ
http://www.pacificroot.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois.cgi
Domain Name: nic.biz
Registrant:
ARNI
Leah Gallegos
P.O. Box 9305
virginia beach, VA 23450-9305
United States
Telephone: 757-631-9838
Fax: 000-000-0000
Email: admin@biztld.net
Created: 20001025.2020
Last Modified: 20010627.1116
DNS Servers:
ns2.beachshore.net
ns1.quasar.net
----------------------------------------
Who owns NIC.BIZ ???
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development
Jim Fleming
http://www.DOT-BIZ.com
0:212 - BIZ World
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