Re: [ga-abuse] [ADMIN] Two Week Suspension of Roeland Meyer

[k@widgital.com (Kristy McKee)]

At 10:50 AM 5/10/2001 +1000, Patrick Corliss wrote:
>Hi Bruce
>
> > >>>>apologies BEFORE or AFTER making a decision.<<<<<
> >
> > IF it was made BEFORE, I would agree to reconsider. Was it made before?
> > AFTER, would be very hard on us.
> >
> > I am only trying to reach some firm grounds rules.
>
>Me too.  I also think it is hard for us to go examining dates and the like
>when trying to determine what to accept.  If we are making a public
>announcement then that is the important moment.  Like judges, we have
>*handed down* our decision.
>
>After that moment, any appeal must go to the Chair.
>
>I think in the circumstances we should simply ask Roeland if he wishes to
>make a statement.  In fact, due process probably requires us to ask that at
>the time of the complaint.  In other words to say "We have received a
>complaint in relation to your posting X.  Do you wish to say anything before
>we consider the matter?"
>
>So we need three templates.  One for the complaint.  Two for us to notify
>the person being complained about ("have you anything to say?").  Three to
>announce suspensions (public) and warnings (private?).
>
>Regards
>Patrick

Hey guys,

I don't know what works in this situation.  It seems like work is starting 
to happen out there and the insults have been toned way down (except for 
the messenger who kept tossing herself out there to get shot at.)  I think 
we do need to respond to all those complaints and appreciate it is not 
necessary to hand out suspensions even if a prior warning has been 
issued.  A fair amount of leniency is definitely required whereas strength 
in communication is also.

As long as we make it clear that it is not our policy to accept apologies 
after inflammatory remarks have been publicly posted in order to keep 
members from earning embarrassing informational reference points on a 
public Internet,  I am more than happy to accept a note of apology shortly 
after a remark has been made, rather than nothing or being harassed.  I 
have a lot of respect for people who stand by their words and actions and 
especially those who have integrity and acknowledge a mistake by exhibiting 
willingness to correct it without be asked and also when responding 
positively when asked; and yet, I do not know what best works in this 
situation.  I want to be fair to everyone, no matter how unrealistic that 
sounds when I read it aloud, it is how I feel...

In response to using templates; however, yes let's do use templates.  I'd 
even be willing to add functionality for that to the CTS at a later date.

~k