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GA-DIGEST          Thursday, January 10 2002          Volume 01 : Number 971

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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:32:18 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] international domain news

Patrick and all assembly members,

  It should not be surprising that CNTR and the ICANN Staff, in one
Stuart Lynn are at odds on DNSO policy.  Most of the rest of the
world is as well.

  As for the rest of the "News" you posted here, it is redundant
as it has already been posted before, Patrick.  But thanks anyway...

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> Reposted from the Australian DNS mailing list.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Goldstein <[email-masked]>
> To: auDA DNS List <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:26 AM
> Subject: [DNS] international domain news
>
> ICANN and CENTR at odds
> Stuart Lynn and other ICANN staffers participated in CENTR's General
> Assembly last month for what participants called a "useful exchange
> of views." (This is diplomat-speak for discussions in which the
> parties can't agree on anything. The only thing worse is a "frank
> exchange of views," which is a flat-out brawl.) As CENTR's chair
> Willie Black put it: "There are many issues to be resolved and we
> currently appear to be far from a mutual understanding."
>  http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=510&mode=thread&order=0
>
> VeriSign buys .tv Web domain
> VeriSign will take over control of the .tv Web domain by buying .tv
> Corp. International for $45 million cash.
>  http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-8393177.html
>  http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/173452.html
>
> VeriSign Plans Domain Wait List
> The largest website registrar is planning a new service that lets
> people pay to be first in line to snap up a domain name, if and when
> it becomes available.
>  http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,49493,00.html
>  http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-8360613.html
>
> Cybersquatters' dot-com booty loses lustre
> As the number of new domain name registrations falls, so has the
> amount of cybersquatting
> Cybersquatting, the speculative registration of Internet domain names
> which turned into a cottage industry at the height of the dot-com
> boom, appears to be dying as demand wanes for names, industry experts
> say.
>  http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2102018,00.html
>
> http://europe.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/01/05/cyber.squatting.reut/index.html
>
> Nominet expected to approve .me.uk
> Second level domain (SLD) names could be available on Monday if
> Nominet members give it the go ahead at a vote to be held this
> Friday.
> Members of the national register for domain names that end .uk are
> being asked to approve the .me.uk domain name that has been designed
> for personal use. Nominet is expecting members to vote in favour of
> the new names.
>  http://pcw.vnunet.com/News/1128062
>
> >From Baker & McKenzie's GLOBAL E-LAW ALERT...
> The Brazilian Science and Technology Ministry has launched its new
> internet portal (www.mct.gov.br).
>
> UNIVERSAL INTERNET ACCESS: The government of the State of São Paulo
> has launched a project for the implementation of a network
> encompassing 2000 Internet access points, networks and servers.
> Partnerships with the private sector may enlarge the project. The
> access points will be in public places such as subways, using flash
> cards.
>
> TRADEMARK PROTECTION FOR GEOGRAPHICAL INDICATIONS: The expressions
> "cachaça", "Brasil" and "cachaça do Brasil" are now protected as
> geographical indications. A Decree published on 21 December 2001 by
> the Brazilian Government set forth the protection of the famous
> Brazilian alcoholic drink made of sugar cane, in accordance with
> article 22 of the TRIPS Agreement.
>
> >From BNA Internet Law News...
> UDRP PANEL GOES WAY BACK TO MAKE DECISION
> A WIPO UDRP panel recently ordered the transfer of the
> vodaphone.com domain, relying on some unusual evidence in
> the process.  The panel, seemingly on its own initiative,
> consulted the Wayback machine Internet archive to test
> claims the respondent made about how the domain was used
> several years earlier.  The panel found against the
> respondent based in large measure on what it found in the
> archive.  Decision at
> http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2001/d2001-1037.html
>
> UDRP APPEAL RAISES INTERESTING ISSUES
> ICANNWatch reports on a recently filed lawsuit in response
> to an ICANN UDRP decision involving bancochile.com.  The
> suit makes several interesting claims including that the
> Department of Commerce, acting via ICANN, illegally
> promulgated the UDRP and that the UDRP is legally void
> because it is an unconscionably one-sided agreement.
> Article at
> <http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=507>
> Complaint at
> http://www.icannwatch.org/essays/bord-complaint.htm
> UDRP decision at
> http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2001/d2001-0695.html
>
> DOT-NL RELEASES FINAL REFORM REPORT
> The final report on reform to the Dutch dot-nl domain has
> been released.  The report calls for opening the domain to
> foreigners and for the creation of an ADR policy for domain
> name disputes.  Report at
> <http://www.domeinnaamdebat.nl/servlet/nl.gx.domeinnaam.client.http.GetFile?id
> =3960>
>
> http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo!
> - It's My Yahoo! Get your own!
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:52:29 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] Re: VeriSign Proposal a Done Deal??

At 09:58 9/01/02, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>Joop,
>
>How would you answer the question I asked?  For a re-registration of a
>released name, is the permission of the previous registrant needed?

Chuck,

That answer was already given:
Yes, under some circumstances, especially when the registry has been put on 
notice of TM rights, it would be strongly advisable for a registrar or TLD 
registry to seek that permission.

Now how about answering the implied questions of my original point:
Would you not like to see a feature incorporated in Verisign's registration 
database, that would read:
DN Holder Permission for placing the Domain on a waiting list obtained? (Y/N)

DN Holder Permission for re-registration to third party obtained (Y/N) ?

If I were a new Registrant of a another's deleted Name, I would certainly 
appreciate such information.

Do you not think registrars should compete with such registrant-friendly 
features that would enhance the secure holding of the Name?

Finally, (but you don't have to answer this one) do you not think that the 
shareholders in your company would applaud an active attempt by VRSN to do 
something about its image?

- --Joop

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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:43:56 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: VeriSign Proposal a Done Deal??

Matthew and all assembly members,

Matthew Pemble wrote:

> Is it any form of coincidence that Snapnames have just announced a price
> rise?

  I doubt that this price change/rise is a coincidence.  However we really
don't know one way or the other.  But it looks terribly suspicious.

>
>
> > PRICE CHANGE ALERT:
> >
> > At 12:01 a.m. PST on January 15, SnapNames™ will introduce a new price of $69 for one-year SnapBack™
> > subscriptions.  The new price is reflective of the increased level of resources we've been dedicating
> > to maintaining the industry's highest rate of efficacy in securing domain names.  For the next several
> > days, SnapBack subscriptions will continue to be available at the current price of $49 -- visit
> > www.snapnames.com for more information and to place your back-order requests.
>
> Their marketing take on the WLS proposal is also interesting:
>
> > DOMAIN NAME NEWS
> >
> > VeriSign To Launch Waiting List Service
> > Coming to the aid of the little guy, VeriSign Friday announced an upcoming Wait Listing Service (WLS).
> >  Offering the WLS at the registry level would provide equal access to all registrars and would result
> > in a higher efficacy rate for applicants, as the registration is virtually assured, should the current
> > domain name registration be deleted.
>
> I'm not entirely sure that this is going to benefit small organisations
> or private individuals as opposed to larger corporations, or even
> whether that should be the point.  Surely, any system should be fair to
> all, regardless of who your are or are representing?

  Yes surely!  However some business people do not look at business
and profit in that manner.  This is why regulation is needed and also
regulation that is enforcable.  Currently in this instance the ICANN
Staff and BoD are responsible for that enforcment once DOC/NTIA
has approved any policy that ICANN Recomends.  And any policy
that ICANN recomends must have the broad support of the stakeholders,
or is supposed to, in accordance with the White Paper and the MoU, before
it becomes a policy recomendation to DOC/NTIA.  Currently and from the
beginning of ICANN's existance this process has been neglected and even
ignored by the ICANN BoD and staff.  As such, ICANN has garnered
much distrust from the stakeholders world wide, and until corrected
shall continue to do so...

>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:48:17 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Lies & Damned Lies

2000 ADAM TODD
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:58:51 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> The fact remains, Adam, that you have been less than truthful with
> your posts here.   And no matter what type of personal attacks you
> make in response to that being pointed out when you tell those
> falsehoods, they remain what they are, lies.

JEFF WILLIAMS
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:27:36 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> I used to maintain a site that documented all of these aliases and the
> other sundry false and scurrilous claims made by JW and his alter
> egos.

MICHAEL SONDOW
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:18:15 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
> And these assertions (the ones that were false) are so easily proven
> untrue that it is not worth the effort.  Anyone who takes Sondow
> seriously, and doesn't check out those things for themselves, deserves
> to believe him.

2001 NETWORK SOLUTIONS
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:17:18 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> Of course, those of us who have had to deal with NSI over the past
> years know the depths to which NSI will go when it is backed into a
> corner, and will tell out and out lies, by making things appear to be
> vastly different than they are in fact.

2001 JOOP TEERNSTRA
On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:34:39 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> He [Joop Teernstra] is an out and out liar.  The evidence is there for
> ANYONE To review.  I will not be diplomatic in my responses to his
> bullshit any longer.

2001 JOOP AGAIN
On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:37:36 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> A new age has dawned, Joop.  Your lies and slanders will no longer
> be humored and tolerated.

2001 JEFF WILIAM & JIM FLEMING
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:04:58 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
> He's [Jeff Williams]  a charlatan and only plays games with these
> forums, taking the position most likely to help him play his games
> with his multiple personalities, and like Fleming, tell as many lies as
> possible while doing it.

2002 VERISIGN
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:47:59 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> Thanks for the admission that Verisign was lying about that then,
> Chuck.
> 
> But then we know that Verisign has lied about so many things to us in
> the past, but to at least have it on record is nice.

2002 PATRICK CORLISS
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:12:06 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> You can step spreading your lies, Patrick.
<snip>
> Stick to the facts, Patrick, you make a poor liar.

Regards
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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:55:50 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Using the Sub-Lists

Thomas and all assembly members,

  This is one of the few places where I must agree with Thomas!
Amazing as that seems even to me!  >;)  None the less, reviving
the sublists now would be a disaster.  Having special sublists
from time to time for WG or Task Forces is fine however, but
only on an as needed basis...

Thomas Roessler wrote:

> On 2002-01-10 04:14:38 +1100, Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> >Perhaps you would like to assist in setting up a working group? If
> >so, the better list is [ga-sys] as this relates to Registration
> >Systems.
>
> I'd strongly suggest not to try to revive the sublists.
>
> They are dead, let them rest in peace.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:32:14 -0500
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Chair election

	FYI, I have not received my ballot for the GA Chair/Alternate chair 
election and have written the secretariat requesting the ballot.  I have 
received all announce notices, which means to me that I am in the 
voting registry.

Leah
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:18:10 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Using the Sub-Lists

Wednesday, Wednesday, January 09, 2002, 2:32:15 PM, Patrick Corliss wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:12:06 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
>> On Wed, January 09, 2002, 10:08:41 AM, Patrick Corliss wrote:
>> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:42:28 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:

>> > > I assure you, Ron, you will know who I am before this up, as I
>> > > have made killing this deal one of my primary goals right now.
>> >
>> > Like you killed IDNO and the sublists ?
>>
>> You can step spreading your lies, Patrick.

> The list members can make up their own minds, William.  As far as I know, you
> are still opposing Joop on the IDNO list.  And I don't see much progress wrt
> an Individuals Constituency !!  Why is that, I wonder?

Yes, I still oppose Joop, however, the IDNO is making progress as a
result of that.  We are actually seeing the IDNO move forward and
taking actions that Joop does not approve of and being able to do so
without his being able to kneecap or manipulate the outcome has in the
past.

This is a VERY healthy thing to see, and it bodes well for the future
of the IDNO.

You make opposing Joop seem like a bad thing, it is a good thing, and
is resulting in the first really positive momentum in this area in a
long time.  Joop's actions wrt to the IDNO were NOT appropriate, and
to have allowed it to be furthered would not have been in the best
interest of the IDNO, domain registrants, or the effort for a
constituency.  And I am FAR from being alone in that position amongst
IDNO members.

> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:29:50 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:

>> The discussion is on this list, where it belongs, and where it should
>> stay.  End of story.

> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:52:17 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
>> On Wed, January 09, 2002, 4:24:20 AM, Eric Dierker wrote:

>> > This group is entirely open, because this is a short time working
>> >  group all list rules will apply except for posting limits.
>>
>> A statement and act you have no authority to make.

> And your authority comes from where exactly ?

Unlike Eric, I didn't try and FORCE people to do something.

So I was not claiming authority.

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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:19:20 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Lies & Damned Lies

Thank you for pointing out my long and impressive record with
tracking people who are less than honest who have been participants on
this list and others (most of these came from the Domain Policy list,
not the GA list anyway).

I stand by it, and am proud of it, and I appreciate your posting it
here.

Wednesday, Wednesday, January 09, 2002, 3:48:17 PM, Patrick Corliss wrote:

> 2000 ADAM TODD
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:58:51 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>> The fact remains, Adam, that you have been less than truthful with
>> your posts here.   And no matter what type of personal attacks you
>> make in response to that being pointed out when you tell those
>> falsehoods, they remain what they are, lies.

> JEFF WILLIAMS
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:27:36 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>> I used to maintain a site that documented all of these aliases and the
>> other sundry false and scurrilous claims made by JW and his alter
>> egos.

> MICHAEL SONDOW
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:18:15 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
>> And these assertions (the ones that were false) are so easily proven
>> untrue that it is not worth the effort.  Anyone who takes Sondow
>> seriously, and doesn't check out those things for themselves, deserves
>> to believe him.

> 2001 NETWORK SOLUTIONS
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:17:18 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>> Of course, those of us who have had to deal with NSI over the past
>> years know the depths to which NSI will go when it is backed into a
>> corner, and will tell out and out lies, by making things appear to be
>> vastly different than they are in fact.

> 2001 JOOP TEERNSTRA
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:34:39 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
>> He [Joop Teernstra] is an out and out liar.  The evidence is there for
>> ANYONE To review.  I will not be diplomatic in my responses to his
>> bullshit any longer.

> 2001 JOOP AGAIN
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:37:36 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
>> A new age has dawned, Joop.  Your lies and slanders will no longer
>> be humored and tolerated.

> 2001 JEFF WILIAM & JIM FLEMING
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:04:58 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
>> He's [Jeff Williams]  a charlatan and only plays games with these
>> forums, taking the position most likely to help him play his games
>> with his multiple personalities, and like Fleming, tell as many lies as
>> possible while doing it.

> 2002 VERISIGN
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:47:59 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
>> Thanks for the admission that Verisign was lying about that then,
>> Chuck.
>> 
>> But then we know that Verisign has lied about so many things to us in
>> the past, but to at least have it on record is nice.

> 2002 PATRICK CORLISS
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:12:06 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
>> You can step spreading your lies, Patrick.
> <snip>
>> Stick to the facts, Patrick, you make a poor liar.

> Regards
> Patrick Corliss

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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:27:59 -0500
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: (Fwd) [ga] Chair election

I must apologize.  I did receive a ballot, but it did not filter properly 
because the address was not [email-masked], but was instead 
[email-masked].

Leah

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 FYI, I have not received my ballot for the GA Chair/Alternate chair 
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received all announce notices, which means to me that I am in the voting
registry.

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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:38:28 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Lies & Damned Lies <---- Is this really necessary or productive?

Patrick and all assembly members,

  Is this really necessary or productive Patrick?

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> 2000 ADAM TODD
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:58:51 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > The fact remains, Adam, that you have been less than truthful with
> > your posts here.   And no matter what type of personal attacks you
> > make in response to that being pointed out when you tell those
> > falsehoods, they remain what they are, lies.
>
> JEFF WILLIAMS
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:27:36 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > I used to maintain a site that documented all of these aliases and the
> > other sundry false and scurrilous claims made by JW and his alter
> > egos.
>
> MICHAEL SONDOW
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:18:15 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > And these assertions (the ones that were false) are so easily proven
> > untrue that it is not worth the effort.  Anyone who takes Sondow
> > seriously, and doesn't check out those things for themselves, deserves
> > to believe him.
>
> 2001 NETWORK SOLUTIONS
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:17:18 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > Of course, those of us who have had to deal with NSI over the past
> > years know the depths to which NSI will go when it is backed into a
> > corner, and will tell out and out lies, by making things appear to be
> > vastly different than they are in fact.
>
> 2001 JOOP TEERNSTRA
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:34:39 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> > He [Joop Teernstra] is an out and out liar.  The evidence is there for
> > ANYONE To review.  I will not be diplomatic in my responses to his
> > bullshit any longer.
>
> 2001 JOOP AGAIN
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:37:36 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> > A new age has dawned, Joop.  Your lies and slanders will no longer
> > be humored and tolerated.
>
> 2001 JEFF WILIAM & JIM FLEMING
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:04:58 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > He's [Jeff Williams]  a charlatan and only plays games with these
> > forums, taking the position most likely to help him play his games
> > with his multiple personalities, and like Fleming, tell as many lies as
> > possible while doing it.
>
> 2002 VERISIGN
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:47:59 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> > Thanks for the admission that Verisign was lying about that then,
> > Chuck.
> >
> > But then we know that Verisign has lied about so many things to us in
> > the past, but to at least have it on record is nice.
>
> 2002 PATRICK CORLISS
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:12:06 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
> > You can step spreading your lies, Patrick.
> <snip>
> > Stick to the facts, Patrick, you make a poor liar.
>
> Regards
> Patrick Corliss
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:46:26 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[4]: [ga] Using the Sub-Lists

Thursday, Thursday, January 10, 2002, 1:40:16 AM, abel wrote:

> Assembly,

> I think after this mail it is about the time I want to emphasize that mr.
> Walsh, in those instances where he speaks on behalf of the congregation,
> does NOT speak on my behalf, and his opinion is rarely shared by me, if
> ever.

Oh Abel, please show me where i ever claimed to speak on your behalf.

Don't buy into the Fud, Abel, just stick to the issues.  There is a
history here, this is part of that disfunctionality I told you all on
the OpenSRS discuss list that you would have to ignore when I
suggested you come here to discuss this.

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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:08:11 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[6]: [ga] Using the Sub-Lists

Thursday, Thursday, January 10, 2002, 1:58:57 AM, abel wrote:

> William,

> Your mail speaks of "us" and "we" "the participants" which all refers to a
> general group in consensus.

I found a couple instances where I used this manner:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
We are actually seeing the IDNO move forward and
taking actions that Joop does not approve of and being able to do so
without his being able to kneecap or manipulate the outcome has in the
past.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I think that was clearly indicating "we" meaning the IDNO
participants.

Last time I checked, you were not an IDNO participant, and the "we"
clearly didn't refer to you.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Thank you for pointing out my long and impressive record with
tracking people who are less than honest who have been participants on
this list and others (most of these came from the Domain Policy list,
not the GA list anyway).
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

The "participants" referred to above where the NAMED individuals in
Patrick's emails whom I have, in the past (most in the FAR past),
caught in lies (most on a DIFFERENT LIST).  There is no way you could
even stretch this to make it sound like I was referring to you or
anyone else here who was not specifically named.

Again, Abel, stick to the discussion.  Unlike others here who make up
fake organizations they claim to represent, I never claim to speak for
anyone but myself.  I've always said people are free to speak for
themselves as individuals, and that this is how they should
participate here.

Your criticism was without merit.

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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:22:24 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [Fwd: Three postings]

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Can someone please explain how this mistake happened.

Either I improperly resubscribed in December and they still
let me on the list?

Or they knocked me off for 24 hours accidentally?

I resubscribed and got back on this evening.

Eric
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Dear Glen,

Correct and incorrect,

Please review ga-list from about 2 days and go back.

I am running for two positions and have been posting regularly since early
December.

Sincerely,
Eric

DNSO Secretariat wrote:

> Dear Eric,
> At the time of your posting the three messages you were not a member of any
> list. .
> Any message to ga-full passes, so you can always post to ga-full.
> Digging around, we found that you unsubscribed from every list at the end of
> November.
> Now you have re-subscribed to two sub-lists.
> Hopes this helps to explain.
> Regards
> Glen
> DNSO Secretariat

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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:46:24 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[8]: [ga] Using the Sub-Lists

Thursday, Thursday, January 10, 2002, 2:23:52 AM, abel wrote:

> Let me make it a little bit more clear, though English is not my primary
> language:

> You are not appointed by anyone to decide upon who participates and how one
> participates, not who one represents, or wants to represent, nor are you the
> guardian of my rights of free speach, whether as an individual or as a
> (business) entity or any other representation, those decisions are to the
> individuals and the organisations they represent if so.

Great. We are in agreement!  I never claimed to be or do any of those
things!  So you can keep your comments on this subject to yourself in
the future, since they are without point.

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Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:20:21 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Using the Sub-Lists - Thank You Able! 

Abel, WXW and all assembly members,

  Thank you Able for verifying from other forums that I am not privy to,
nor participate on of WXW's raucous behavior anomaly's that we
here on the DNSO GA and other forums have been subjected
too far to often.  WXW's opinion as you very rightly pointed out,
is rarely shared by anyone but the most obscure and obtuse or
disruptive by nature.

William X Walsh wrote:

> Thursday, Thursday, January 10, 2002, 1:40:16 AM, abel wrote:
>
> > Assembly,
>
> > I think after this mail it is about the time I want to emphasize that mr.
> > Walsh, in those instances where he speaks on behalf of the congregation,
> > does NOT speak on my behalf, and his opinion is rarely shared by me, if
> > ever.
>
> Oh Abel, please show me where i ever claimed to speak on your behalf.
>
> Don't buy into the Fud, Abel, just stick to the issues.  There is a
> history here, this is part of that disfunctionality I told you all on
> the OpenSRS discuss list that you would have to ignore when I
> suggested you come here to discuss this.

>
>
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