Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #946
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GA-DIGEST          Monday, December 31 2001          Volume 01 : Number 946

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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:47:10 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Proposed Amendment to the ICANN Bylaws on Director Term Alignment

Patrick, Louis and all assembly members,

  This again would seem to be another "Moving of the goal posts"
move or provision that would limit the potential impact that new
At-Large elected directors could have on ICANN policy rather
than an improvement to the management of ICANN itself.
I find it a very thinly vailed attempt to "Hood Wink" the
stakeholders...  Louis, you should be ashamed!

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: Names Council <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [council] Proposed Amendment to the ICANN Bylaws on Director Term
> Alignment
> From: Louis Touton <[email-masked]>
> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:30:59 -0800
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To the Names Council:
>
> At the annual meeting in November, the Board requested that I prepare a
> proposed amendment to the ICANN bylaws to change the time when Directors
> selected by the Supporting Organizations are seated.  Currently, they
> are seated on the 1 October; under the proposal they would instead be
> seated at the end of the annual meeting.  This would mean that each
> year's group of new Directors would be seated at the same time.
>
> The proposal has been posted on the ICANN web site at
> <http://www.icann.org/general/proposed-bylaw-revision-28dec01.htm>.
> Comments are invited.  They should be made by e-mail or ICANN's
> web-based forum (see the posting for links) on or before 31 January
> 2002.
>
> With best wishes for the New Year,
>
> Louis Touton
> General Counsel
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:07:25 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [GTLD Registries List] What is the accreditation status of registrars that made fake applications?

Daryl and all stakeholders or interested parties,

  VEry good brief Rundown here Daryl.  And one that has been presented
in par or in full by several other stakeholders on more than one
occasion including yours truly.

  One important point that perhaps you forgot or had not considered
is that the ICANN BoD and Staff had and IMHO still has is to
abide by RFC1591 which the ICANN BoD as far as RFC's
has touted to be very supportive of.  Yet in this instance (RFC 1591)
it decided in the MdR Meeting of Nov 2000 drastically deviated
from in preference to a lottery selection process for new TLD's.
We [INEGroup] along with many other groups warned that such
a method would be a huge mistake with long term ramifications
BEFORE the ICANN BoD and staff decided without stakeholder
consensus or vote to dictate.  Now the proverbial turkey has come
home to roost.
  It is for some of the reasons in your rundown and my above comments
that it is paramount that Stakeholders/users must be in the majority
on the ICANN BoD with 9 seats.  However given the ALSC
"Final Report" and denial of the polls and comments submitted on
this forum is is unlikely that such will occur.  If not, ICANN will
never be ligitimate in the mid to long term...

Daryl Tempesta wrote:

> > ICANN should stipulate
> > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
> > reserve the rest,
> > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
>
> I have talked to Lawyers which represent Verisign AKA
> Network Solutions. I was told that buisness clients
> complain all the time about being advised to buy up
> EVERY domain in every TLD for every trademark they
> own.
>
> Bruces suggestion in a very good one in my oppinion
> because in some form it is inevitable.
>
> Here is why; I think that ICANN will either do  it
> volunterally or the US congress will step in - perhaps
> as the result of a high profile Supreme Court case.
> Consider these senarios.
>
> a) Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
> introduced, pressure from the atLarge and millions of
> individual domain owners will be successfull in
> lobbying ICANN for TM free TLDS
>
> Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Market
> saturation
>
> b)   Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
> introduced, Laws from congress passed due to the
> pressure of millions of individual domain owners will
> then be successfull.
>
> Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Legal
> intervention including new laws.
>
> Conclusion: it is inevitable that there will be both
> TM and non TM requirements in TLDs.
>
> ICANN build the framework now,
> while you have the choice how.
>
> Daryl Tempesta
> hotdot.com
>
> --- Bruce Young <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jeff wrote:
> >
> > >It is poignantly and disgustingly clear that
> > >the ICANN staff either cannot or will not do
> > adequate oversight
> > >of it's rubber stamped "Registrars and Registries"
> > given the
> > >events of the past year or so that have been
> > reported here
> > >and on other forums.
> >
> > Ya think?! :)
> >
> > These guys are making this SO much harder tha it
> > needs to be.  Part of the
> > problem are these ugly "sunset" periods.  Why?  If
> > the point of new TLDs is
> > new addresses for peoplke that don't havethem, why
> > are we letting the same
> > old people buy up addresses before everyone else?
> > ICANN should stipulate
> > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
> > reserve the rest,
> > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
> >
> >
> > Bruce Young
> > Portland, Oregon
> > [email-masked]
> > http://home.attbi.com/~byoung651/index.html
> >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
> http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:10:35 -0800
From: "Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc." <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: AINC Event - First Arab ccTLD Meeting in Cairo - 15th January 2002

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Dear All

This event is open to all ccTLD managers to discuss Arabic Domain Names =
issues and to establish a draft standard that is within the scope & =
goals of the International Domain Names being discussed in many forums =
and groups to be adopted by all the Arabic Script Languages ccTLD =
Managers.

If interetsed then please contact me to provide you with more specific =
details and to facilitate your participation.

Best Regards & Happy New Year to you all,

Asaad Alnajjar
CEO Millennium Inc.
Executive Director AINC

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2002

Dear All ccTLD Managers,

The Arabic Internet Names Consortium AINC, under the patronage of the =
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology in Egypt, is =
organizing an Arab ccTLD Meeting on the 15th - 16th of January 2002 at =
the Cairo International Conference Center, Cairo - Egypt.  The meeting =
will mainly discuss: "Registration Policies in the Arab Countries" and =
"The Choice of Arabic ccTLD Names"

The meeting is organized parallel to Cairo Telecomp Forum and Exhibition =
(www.cairotelecomp.com) which will take place at the same venue during =
the period 14th - 17th of January 2002.

AINC is also organizing a session during Cairo Telecomp Forum on the =
16th of January 2002 along the subject of Arabic Domain Names with focus =
on consumer rights, intellectual properties issues, UDRP and other =
registration policies.

Please confirm your attendance soonest and if you need assistance with =
hotel reservations. ( recommend: Sheraton Cairo  or  Sheraton Helopolis)

Best Regards
Christine Arida , AINC Chair

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2>Asaad Alnajjar</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2>Executive Director AINC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 31, 2001 12:58 AM</DIV>
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15th=20
January 2002</DIV></DIV>
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eudora=3D"autourl">www.cairotelecomp.com</A>) which will take place at =
the same=20
venue during the period 14th - 17th of January 2002.<BR><BR>AINC is also =

organizing a session during Cairo Telecomp Forum on the 16th of January =
2002=20
along the subject of Arabic Domain Names with focus on consumer rights,=20
intellectual properties issues, UDRP&nbsp;and other registration=20
policies.<BR><BR>Please confirm your attendance soonest and if you need=20
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 04:02:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Sanjeev Goyal <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Happy New Year. 2002

 HAPPY NEW YEAR 2002

TO ALL FELLOW MEMBERS.

SANJEEV GOYAL.

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:21:31 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: AINC Event - First Arab ccTLD Meeting in Cairo - 15th  January 2002

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Dear Asaad Alnajjar,

I am not aware of specific agendas and/or motivations within your group
so I may not speak to that
but allow me to wish you the best of luck and to welcome your
contributions to our International community.

Please take the time to educate us further on your plans, hopes and
desires.

If in anyway the GA can be of service to your group, I believe you
should allow us the opportunity.

Sincerely,
Eric

"Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc." wrote:

> Dear All This event is open to all ccTLD managers to discuss Arabic
> Domain Names issues and to establish a draft standard that is within
> the scope & goals of the International Domain Names being discussed in
> many forums and groups to be adopted by all the Arabic Script
> Languages ccTLD Managers. If interetsed then please contact me to
> provide you with more specific details and to facilitate your
> participation. Best Regards & Happy New Year to you all, Asaad
> AlnajjarCEO Millennium Inc.Executive Director AINC
> ----- Original Message -----To: [email-masked]:
> [email-masked]: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:58 AMSubject:
> AINC Event - First Arab ccTLD Meeting in Cairo - 15th January 2002
>  Dear All ccTLD Managers,
>
> The Arabic Internet Names Consortium AINC, under the patronage of the
> Ministry of Communications and Information Technology in Egypt, is
> organizing an Arab ccTLD Meeting on the 15th - 16th of January 2002 at
> the Cairo International Conference Center, Cairo - Egypt.  The meeting
> will mainly discuss: "Registration Policies in the Arab Countries" and
> "The Choice of Arabic ccTLD Names"
>
> The meeting is organized parallel to Cairo Telecomp Forum and
> Exhibition (www.cairotelecomp.com) which will take place at the same
> venue during the period 14th - 17th of January 2002.
>
> AINC is also organizing a session during Cairo Telecomp Forum on the
> 16th of January 2002 along the subject of Arabic Domain Names with
> focus on consumer rights, intellectual properties issues, UDRP and
> other registration policies.
>
> Please confirm your attendance soonest and if you need assistance with
> hotel reservations. ( recommend: Sheraton Cairo  or  Sheraton
> Helopolis)
>
> Best Regards
> Christine Arida , AINC Chair

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Dear Asaad Alnajjar,
<p>I am not aware of specific agendas and/or motivations within your group
so I may not speak to that
<br>but allow me to wish you the best of luck and to welcome your contributions
to our International community.
<p>Please take the time to educate us further on your plans, hopes and
desires.
<p>If in anyway the GA can be of service to your group, I believe you should
allow us the opportunity.
<p>Sincerely,
<br>Eric
<p>"Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc." wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
<font color="#800080"><font size=-1>Dear
All</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#800080"><font size=-1>This event is
open to all ccTLD managers to discuss Arabic Domain Names issues and to
establish a draft standard that is within the scope &amp; goals of the
International Domain Names being discussed in many forums and groups to
be adopted by all the Arabic Script Languages ccTLD Managers.</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#800080"><font size=-1>If
interetsed then please contact me to provide you with more specific details
and to facilitate your participation.</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#800080"><font size=-1>Best
Regards &amp; Happy New Year to you all,</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#800080"><font size=-1>Asaad
Alnajjar</font></font><font color="#800080"><font size=-1>CEO Millennium
Inc.</font></font><font color="#800080"><font size=-1>Executive Director
AINC</font></font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" title="[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><b>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" title="[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><b>Sent:</b>
Monday, December 31, 2001 12:58 AM<b>Subject:</b> AINC Event - First Arab
ccTLD Meeting in Cairo - 15th January 2002</div>
&nbsp;Dear All ccTLD Managers,
<p>The Arabic Internet Names Consortium AINC, under the patronage of the
Ministry of Communications and Information Technology in Egypt, is organizing
an Arab ccTLD Meeting on the 15th - 16th of January 2002 at the Cairo International
Conference Center, Cairo - Egypt.&nbsp; The meeting will mainly discuss:
"Registration Policies in the Arab Countries" and "The Choice of Arabic
ccTLD Names"
<p>The meeting is organized parallel to Cairo Telecomp Forum and Exhibition
(<a href="http://www.cairotelecomp.com" eudora="autourl">www.cairotelecomp.com</a>)
which will take place at the same venue during the period 14th - 17th of
January 2002.
<p>AINC is also organizing a session during Cairo Telecomp Forum on the
16th of January 2002 along the subject of Arabic Domain Names with focus
on consumer rights, intellectual properties issues, UDRP and other registration
policies.
<p>Please confirm your attendance soonest and if you need assistance with
hotel reservations. ( recommend: Sheraton Cairo&nbsp; or&nbsp; Sheraton
Helopolis)
<p>Best Regards
<br>Christine Arida , AINC Chair</blockquote>

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:25:09 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [GTLD Registries List] What is the accreditation  status of registrars that made fake applications?

I am not so adamant.

But I somehow find myself thinking partially the same thing.

Perhaps if I look to a year from now I would wholeheartedly agree.

I am more concerned with how this may further the digital divide.

Sincerely,
Eric

Malcolm Dean wrote:

> TLDs are as relevant today as MS-DOS's naming convention. They are the
> result of a database design, not a natural law.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daryl Tempesta" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Bruce Young" <[email-masked]>; "Jeff Williams"
> <[email-masked]>; "Richard Henderson"
> <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>; "General Assembly of the DNSO" <[email-masked]>;
> "ICANN At Large Forum" <[email-masked]>; "icann board address"
> <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [GTLD Registries List] What is the
> accreditation status of registrars that made fake applications?
>
> >
> > > ICANN should stipulate
> > > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
> > > reserve the rest,
> > > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
> >
> > I have talked to Lawyers which represent Verisign AKA
> > Network Solutions. I was told that buisness clients
> > complain all the time about being advised to buy up
> > EVERY domain in every TLD for every trademark they
> > own.
> >
> > Bruces suggestion in a very good one in my oppinion
> > because in some form it is inevitable.
> >
> > Here is why; I think that ICANN will either do  it
> > volunterally or the US congress will step in - perhaps
> > as the result of a high profile Supreme Court case.
> > Consider these senarios.
> >
> > a) Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
> > introduced, pressure from the atLarge and millions of
> > individual domain owners will be successfull in
> > lobbying ICANN for TM free TLDS
> >
> > Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Market
> > saturation
> >
> > b)   Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
> > introduced, Laws from congress passed due to the
> > pressure of millions of individual domain owners will
> > then be successfull.
> >
> > Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Legal
> > intervention including new laws.
> >
> >
> > Conclusion: it is inevitable that there will be both
> > TM and non TM requirements in TLDs.
> >
> > ICANN build the framework now,
> > while you have the choice how.
> >
> > Daryl Tempesta
> > hotdot.com
> >
> > --- Bruce Young <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff wrote:
> > >
> > > >It is poignantly and disgustingly clear that
> > > >the ICANN staff either cannot or will not do
> > > adequate oversight
> > > >of it's rubber stamped "Registrars and Registries"
> > > given the
> > > >events of the past year or so that have been
> > > reported here
> > > >and on other forums.
> > >
> > > Ya think?! :)
> > >
> > > These guys are making this SO much harder tha it
> > > needs to be.  Part of the
> > > problem are these ugly "sunset" periods.  Why?  If
> > > the point of new TLDs is
> > > new addresses for peoplke that don't havethem, why
> > > are we letting the same
> > > old people buy up addresses before everyone else?
> > > ICANN should stipulate
> > > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
> > > reserve the rest,
> > > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce Young
> > > Portland, Oregon
> > > [email-masked]
> > > http://home.attbi.com/~byoung651/index.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
> > http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:54:58 -0800
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] RE: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [GTLD Registries List] What is the accredita tion status of registrars that made fake applications?

Actually, what I decide to name computers, in my system, is nobody's
business but my own. I have always resisted the inclusion of the IP
fraternaty in these DNS issues. Especially, in the form of WIPO. 

Actually, if US PTO doesn't allow DNS names to be trademarked then the DNS
shouldn't allow trademarks to matter, in DNS policies. Otherwise, it's a bit
one-sided, don't you think?

BTW, there is a serious configuration issue with the ALSO list.

|> From: Malcolm Dean [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:54 AM
|> 
|> TLDs are as relevant today as MS-DOS's naming convention. 
|> They are the
|> result of a database design, not a natural law.
|> 
|> From: "Daryl Tempesta" <[email-masked]>
|> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:07 PM
|> 
|> > > ICANN should stipulate
|> > > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
|> > > reserve the rest,
|> > > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
|> >
|> > I have talked to Lawyers which represent Verisign AKA
|> > Network Solutions. I was told that buisness clients
|> > complain all the time about being advised to buy up
|> > EVERY domain in every TLD for every trademark they
|> > own.
|> >
|> > Bruces suggestion in a very good one in my oppinion
|> > because in some form it is inevitable.
|> >
|> > Here is why; I think that ICANN will either do  it
|> > volunterally or the US congress will step in - perhaps
|> > as the result of a high profile Supreme Court case.
|> > Consider these senarios.
|> >
|> > a) Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
|> > introduced, pressure from the atLarge and millions of
|> > individual domain owners will be successfull in
|> > lobbying ICANN for TM free TLDS
|> >
|> > Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Market
|> > saturation
|> >
|> > b)   Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
|> > introduced, Laws from congress passed due to the
|> > pressure of millions of individual domain owners will
|> > then be successfull.
|> >
|> > Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Legal
|> > intervention including new laws.
|> >
|> >
|> > Conclusion: it is inevitable that there will be both
|> > TM and non TM requirements in TLDs.
|> >
|> > ICANN build the framework now,
|> > while you have the choice how.

|> > --- Bruce Young <[email-masked]> wrote:
|> > > Jeff wrote:
|> > >
|> > > >It is poignantly and disgustingly clear that
|> > > >the ICANN staff either cannot or will not do
|> > > adequate oversight
|> > > >of it's rubber stamped "Registrars and Registries"
|> > > given the
|> > > >events of the past year or so that have been
|> > > reported here
|> > > >and on other forums.
|> > >
|> > > Ya think?! :)
|> > >
|> > > These guys are making this SO much harder tha it
|> > > needs to be.  Part of the
|> > > problem are these ugly "sunset" periods.  Why?  If
|> > > the point of new TLDs is
|> > > new addresses for peoplke that don't havethem, why
|> > > are we letting the same
|> > > old people buy up addresses before everyone else?
|> > > ICANN should stipulate
|> > > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
|> > > reserve the rest,
|> > > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:07:36 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [GTLD Registries List] What is the  accreditation status of registrars that made fake applications?

Thank you Jeff,

I believe this may be the perfect time for you to explain to the rest of
us why
you believe it is important to stick with old RFC's.

It would seem that the Net and/or the WWW changes quite quickly but that
RFC's move quite slowly.

The only forum that seems to keep up with constant advances seems to be
the
GA and that appears to be because it does not create RFC's.

It also currently does not seem to censor, which allows it to handle
problems arising
tomorrow - today.

i.e. ccTLDs of Arabic design - we will discuss and have great input prior
to any other forum
yet we will put forth no RFC.

Please respond.

Sincerely,
Eric

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Daryl and all stakeholders or interested parties,
>
>   VEry good brief Rundown here Daryl.  And one that has been presented
> in par or in full by several other stakeholders on more than one
> occasion including yours truly.
>
>   One important point that perhaps you forgot or had not considered
> is that the ICANN BoD and Staff had and IMHO still has is to
> abide by RFC1591 which the ICANN BoD as far as RFC's
> has touted to be very supportive of.  Yet in this instance (RFC 1591)
> it decided in the MdR Meeting of Nov 2000 drastically deviated
> from in preference to a lottery selection process for new TLD's.
> We [INEGroup] along with many other groups warned that such
> a method would be a huge mistake with long term ramifications
> BEFORE the ICANN BoD and staff decided without stakeholder
> consensus or vote to dictate.  Now the proverbial turkey has come
> home to roost.
>   It is for some of the reasons in your rundown and my above comments
> that it is paramount that Stakeholders/users must be in the majority
> on the ICANN BoD with 9 seats.  However given the ALSC
> "Final Report" and denial of the polls and comments submitted on
> this forum is is unlikely that such will occur.  If not, ICANN will
> never be ligitimate in the mid to long term...
>
> Daryl Tempesta wrote:
>
> > > ICANN should stipulate
> > > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
> > > reserve the rest,
> > > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
> >
> > I have talked to Lawyers which represent Verisign AKA
> > Network Solutions. I was told that buisness clients
> > complain all the time about being advised to buy up
> > EVERY domain in every TLD for every trademark they
> > own.
> >
> > Bruces suggestion in a very good one in my oppinion
> > because in some form it is inevitable.
> >
> > Here is why; I think that ICANN will either do  it
> > volunterally or the US congress will step in - perhaps
> > as the result of a high profile Supreme Court case.
> > Consider these senarios.
> >
> > a) Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
> > introduced, pressure from the atLarge and millions of
> > individual domain owners will be successfull in
> > lobbying ICANN for TM free TLDS
> >
> > Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Market
> > saturation
> >
> > b)   Some time in the near future, many more TLDs  are
> > introduced, Laws from congress passed due to the
> > pressure of millions of individual domain owners will
> > then be successfull.
> >
> > Reason for non TM and TM requirements - Legal
> > intervention including new laws.
> >
> > Conclusion: it is inevitable that there will be both
> > TM and non TM requirements in TLDs.
> >
> > ICANN build the framework now,
> > while you have the choice how.
> >
> > Daryl Tempesta
> > hotdot.com
> >
> > --- Bruce Young <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff wrote:
> > >
> > > >It is poignantly and disgustingly clear that
> > > >the ICANN staff either cannot or will not do
> > > adequate oversight
> > > >of it's rubber stamped "Registrars and Registries"
> > > given the
> > > >events of the past year or so that have been
> > > reported here
> > > >and on other forums.
> > >
> > > Ya think?! :)
> > >
> > > These guys are making this SO much harder tha it
> > > needs to be.  Part of the
> > > problem are these ugly "sunset" periods.  Why?  If
> > > the point of new TLDs is
> > > new addresses for peoplke that don't havethem, why
> > > are we letting the same
> > > old people buy up addresses before everyone else?
> > > ICANN should stipulate
> > > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
> > > reserve the rest,
> > > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce Young
> > > Portland, Oregon
> > > [email-masked]
> > > http://home.attbi.com/~byoung651/index.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> > http://greetings.yahoo.com
>
> Regards,
> --
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> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:33:36 EST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [GTLD Registries List] What is the accreditatio...

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In a message dated 12/31/2001 2:31:24 AM Central Standard Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

> ICANN should stipulate
> > > that trademarks only apply on COM NET and BIZ, and
> > > reserve the rest,
> > > particularly the INFO, for first come, first served.
> 

Bunk !!!  Ever heard of common law rights ?  There are trademark laws which 
are quite specific on commonl law rights and which WIPO and ICANN seem to 
ignore.

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:41:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Baptista <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: AINC Event - First Arab ccTLD Meeting in Cairo - 15th January 2002

Assad - have you ever considered the alternative root systems to creat an
arabic tld or tlds?

regards
joe

http://www.dot-god.com/

The dot.GOD Registry, Limited
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New York City, New York 10019

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. wrote:

> Dear All
>
> This event is open to all ccTLD managers to discuss Arabic Domain Names issues and to establish a draft standard that is within the scope & goals of the International Domain Names being discussed in many forums and groups to be adopted by all the Arabic Script Languages ccTLD Managers.
>
> If interetsed then please contact me to provide you with more specific details and to facilitate your participation.
>
> Best Regards & Happy New Year to you all,
>
> Asaad Alnajjar
> CEO Millennium Inc.
> Executive Director AINC
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:58 AM
> Subject: AINC Event - First Arab ccTLD Meeting in Cairo - 15th January 2002
>
>
> Dear All ccTLD Managers,
>
> The Arabic Internet Names Consortium AINC, under the patronage of the Ministry of Communications and Information Technology in Egypt, is organizing an Arab ccTLD Meeting on the 15th - 16th of January 2002 at the Cairo International Conference Center, Cairo - Egypt.  The meeting will mainly discuss: "Registration Policies in the Arab Countries" and "The Choice of Arabic ccTLD Names"
>
> The meeting is organized parallel to Cairo Telecomp Forum and Exhibition (www.cairotelecomp.com) which will take place at the same venue during the period 14th - 17th of January 2002.
>
> AINC is also organizing a session during Cairo Telecomp Forum on the 16th of January 2002 along the subject of Arabic Domain Names with focus on consumer rights, intellectual properties issues, UDRP and other registration policies.
>
> Please confirm your attendance soonest and if you need assistance with hotel reservations. ( recommend: Sheraton Cairo  or  Sheraton Helopolis)
>
> Best Regards
> Christine Arida , AINC Chair
>

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