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GA-DIGEST          Friday, December 21 2001          Volume 01 : Number 937

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:04:41 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] I nominate Eric Diecker

1a. Eric Diecker
1b. [email-masked]
2a. Jean-François C. Morfin
2b. [email-masked]
2c. GA-ga subscriber, GA-voting registry, DNSO Constituency member

I know many will object. But,

1. I want this GA to be a place where one can nominate anyone and debate 
with anyone without being objected. I made that position clear and I would 
not be consistent with myself in not nominating the excluded Members, by 
principle.

2. As all of us I know the barocco and emotive approach of Eric. I also 
know his dedication and the financial support permitting him to attend the 
ICANN meetings. I do think that his "dotcommer" positions are of real 
interest to the DNSO and that he shown real courage in here.

3. As all of us I know what is said about Jeff Williams. As I know and 
checked what is said on others too, on me the first. If I do not nominate 
Jeff Williams it is because I know he could *really* be elected from the 
poll I took among silent Members. Since he could be tempted to accept just 
to show some and then most probably to resign, it would an additional 
problem for the GA.

Jefsey Morfin

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:25:40 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] I nominate Joop

1a. Full name of the nominee: Joop Teernstra
1b. E-mail address of the nominee: [email-masked]
2a. Full name of the nominator: Jean-François C. Morfin
2b. E-mail address of the nominator: Jefsey Morfin
2c. GA-ga subscriber, GA-announce subscriber, GA-voting registry, DNSO 
Constituency member

Joop is the voice of an idea which will become the GA with the @large 
arrival and the attitude of the NC. I do not approve the ALSC nor the NC. 
But if this is what *they* want Joop would be a good choice. I do not 
nominate WXW as he would refuse and as it would be angelism but I also take 
into consideration his positions.

Let be practical we want the GA to serve to something: Joop is the only one 
in here who has an agenda that everyone knows and that most approve. He has 
the experience, the seniority and he has been burnt by history. He is on a 
ccTLD board, has supporters and opponents enough to bring us a structure. 
Under the circumstances I suppose that a Kristy/Joop balanced ticket would 
be a real opportunity for the GA to overcome its present status.

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:25:49 -0800
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO Archives: [announce]

|> From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:37 AM
|> 
|> On 23:21 20/12/01 -0800, Roeland Meyer said:
|> >Hell, I'll just settle for rules that are enforced equally 
|> and maybe a vote
|> >that counts somewhere other than here.
|> 
|> The IDNO is currently scheduling elections. :-)

... and the IDNO has a vote where? ... exactly?
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:00:41 -0800
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

|> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:16 AM
|> 
|> > Playing against the odds is one thing, playing into a 
|> > stacked deck is a guaranteed loss. Right on up there 
|> > with running into a concrete and rebar wall, head first. 
|> > You absolutely know that it's going to hurt. So, don't 
|> > you do it.
|> >
|> > There is the pain of the required 8-10 grand unreimbursed 
|> > expense you sign up for, when you accept the privilege of 
|> > being the GA chair. That's kind of a showstopper in most 
|> > folk's accounting books. In case you hadn't noticed, 
|> > there's a recession going on, in the US. Considering that 
|> > the GA has no vote anywhere that counts, within the ICANN, 
|> > that's 8-10 grand for nothing. Where's the beef? It looks 
|> > like pure soy to me.
|> 
|> There are any number of people that would step up to the 
|> plate gratis if it were a worthwhile endeavor. If the GA 
|> could demonstrate even the smallest promise of ever being 
|> "organizable" then I am sure that candidates would be a 
|> lot more comfortable stepping up to the plate - even 
|> without a vote or cash recompensation.

It's plenty "organizable" but, without a reason to organize, most won't go
through the extra effort or commit the time/money.

|> There are a ton of great ideas that come out of the GA and a 
|> ton of good people here. Coherency and focus is, for the most 
|> part, incredibly lacking however.

As I stated elsewhere, lack of coherency and focus is a direct result of not
having anywhere to apply either. If there were a target and visible effect,
the folks here are of sufficient quality (most of them) that they would
probably rally for a concerted effort. Give the GA a vote, on the NC, and
you would probably see miracles. Give it a path to some chance of visible
impact and the focus here would come to a fine point overnight. However, I
suspect, that's exactly the effect that the ICANN BoD doesn't want. Focus
and coherency beg for something to apply them to, a target and a purpose.
The GA has neither and most of us know it.

As for the ideas, if they are so great, why are they consistently ignored?
Even if they are used, the GA NEVER gets the credit. Thus, blocking even
that meager gruel of positive feedback. As a body, the GA is starving, it's
past time to feed the animals. If I thought it would do any good, I'd call
for a strike until these issues are taken care of. That would be a clear and
simple example of coherency and focus but, the ICANN BoD would probably
(collectively) wipe their hands and say "finally, we're rid of those guys."

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:58:43 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and Tiscal i

Dear Marc and Roeland,
the internet is by nature a mathematical chaos. The ICANN wants to handle 
it in a hierachical way. The only appropriate positive approach to help the 
ICANN matching the network reality and build from there is actually to make 
a mess (chaos) of it. The only problem with this is to know when to stop: a 
chaos is not a complete mess: a complete mess is mathematically organized 
as a mess, and is no more a chaos.

This translates in confusing their organization. Messing around. But at the 
same time proposing solutions in accordance with the vey nature of the 
Network. Confusing the issues for them to clarify themselves in the proper 
way. This is the Internet Resistance. What is really a pain is that most of 
the peole in here are attracted by the Staff rather than by the net. They 
spend hours arguing about Louis Touton, Joe Sims, Mike Roberts's stubborn 
self extremism and Stuart's ICP-3 faith, but they don't consider how we 
could restore the nets.

The Internet is a users network. Not an operator network. No one need the 
ICANN. No one need the Telcos - even non one will need their cable (heard 
about HiWi?). RadioPacket was not big stuff yet it worked. The new nets 
systems will be interesting. This is what we should consider as the DNSO: 
how the user system architecture is to be organized to be stand-alone and 
not to call on the roots: exit ICP-3, exit New.net, exit alt(sic)roots. 
Just users and users-groups named TLDs. Never asked yourself why Postel 
chose the ISO two letters code of the telex and we had chosen the three 
letters code of the radio :-) .... somekind of a symbol.

IMHO, the DNSO interests and Veribigbrother are minor issues when compared 
to IPv6 issues at the ASO and very small ones when compared with the Stand 
Alone System Architecture at the PSO.

Now you tested it, forget about their dumb dishonnest creep and greed... 
and enjoy the future. Plenty of exciting fun ahead.

Jefsey

PS. I am not that absolutely sure they will get the M$ 4.75 they expect 
from ".org". But we can discuss that privately.

On 00:47 21/12/01, Marc Schneiders said:
>On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 15:36 [=GMT-0800], Roeland Meyer wrote:
>
> > If you think about it, this is obviously what ICANN wants. As the main dog
> > in the manger, keeping all other cooperative/collective solutions
> > suppressed, the cartel approach is the only way left to route around them.
> >
> > The ICANN is either too stupid for words or they are cunningly manipulating
> > the internet into a cartel-only existance. I don't see a middle-ground
> > interpretation of their actions. Maybe my imagination is lacking?
>
>I think your imigination is quite acurate. Unfortunately. This doesn't
>mean I have to like the solution of new.net, or any other counter
>cartel. ICANN may be a cartel (and mainly it is, I think). That
>doesn't mean that the way out is a competitor that does not 'talk'
>with it. Yes, I know that the breaking down of Telco monopolies (I
>only know about here, Holland) was not easy, but at least it did not
>turn into a _mess_. new.net etc means a mess, as you know. I have seen
>your efforts to repair this mess on a technical DNS level, and I
>appreciate your ideas. But this is not the way for 'users'.
>
>We should avoid a mess, really, not because it would not be fun, it
>would be.
>
>M
>
>  > > |> -----Original
>Message----- > |> From: Marc Schneiders [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > |> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:11 PM
> > |> To: [email-masked]
> > |> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> > |> Subject: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and
> > |> Tiscali
> > |>
> > |>
> > |> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 22:51 [=GMT+0100], [email-masked] wrote:
> > |>
> > |> > @ Pascal and all,
> > |> >
> > |> > There will be definitivly a Domain resolution over the Tiscali
> > |> > DNS. All other is wishful thinking from you as a competitor.
> > |> >
> > |> > According to my information New.net will add another big ISP in
> > |> > the next days to jump over 100 mil users with access before 2002.
> > |> >
> > |> > ISPs smell the cash... there is no reason for ISPs why they
> > |> > shouldn't join the New.net team. Hey, they get mo money and their
> > |> > customers get more TLDs. Sounds goog to me.
> > |> >
> > |> > Sorry,
> > |> > but as always money makes the world go round.
> > |>
> > |> No need to apologize, just to think. Is this what we want? Me selling
> > |> bad.kids and you too?
> > |>
> > |> I don't think so. I would like to go for something solid. Regulated,
> > |> but NOT a cartel.
> > |>
> > |> --
> > |> [email-masked]
> > |>
> > |> >
> > |> > cheers,
> > |> > simon
> > |> > http://nic.pro.xs2.net
> > |> >
> > |> > > Jeff, Thomas and all,
> > |> > > Tiscal has confirmed that there is a form of cooperation
> > |> with new.net.
> > |> > > _but_ following my information, there's no active
> > |> registration over the
> > |> > > Tiscali network. Furthermore a Domain resolution over
> > |> the Tiscali DNS
> > |> > > has not been confirmed yet. As far as I know, there are
> > |> no further
> > |> > > informations as the press release of new.net, which
> > |> doesn't say veray
> > |> > > much...
> > |> > > Regards,
> > |> > > Pascal
> > |> > > On 20 Dec 2001 at 13:16, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > |> > > > Thomas and all,
> > |> > > >
> > |> > > >   Thomas, thank you for this input.  It is not
> > |> unexpected of course. As
> > |> > > > has been the steady but somewhat subdued trend, the
> > |> ISP's seeking
> > |> > > > additional customers and service product offerings,
> > |> Inclusive and
> > |> > > > competitive registries/Root structures are becoming
> > |> the best avenue for
> > |> > > > both potential customer and the ISP's....
> > |> > > >
> > |> > > > Thomas Roessler wrote:
> > |> > > >
> > |> > > > > According to an item on Heise's news ticker, Tiscali
> > |> - one of the
> > |> > > > > larger European ISPs - has joined the club of those
> > |> who will add
> > |> > > > > new.net's domains.
> > |> > > > >
> > |> > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-20.12.01-000/
> > |> > > > > http://www.new.net/tiscali_press.tp
> > |> > > > >
> > |> > > > > There doesn't seem to be any press release on
> > |> Tiscali's web site.
> > |> > > > >
> > |> > > > > --
> > |> > > > > Thomas Roessler
> > http://log.does-not-exist.org/
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:56:02 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: [ga] I accept candidacy.

It is an honor to be considered for this position, I accept candidacy.

The General Assembly should provide the collective opinion of all groups 
involved within the DNSO.  The role of the GA's Chair is to facilitate 
creation of the combined opinion of all General Assembly 
participants.  Additionally, the GA's Chair should represent this consensus 
at all DNSO and ICANN meetings when invited to participate and be 
responsible for hosting the annual meeting of the General Assembly.

Ultimately, regardless of individual opinion, our power lies in the 
collective or democratic body which must be heard. Clarity provides focused 
representation.  Bringing documented consensus to meeting tables in a 
digital format enables referencing comments made on list quickly as they 
are viewable via the archives.  Open standards development practices would 
be used to create a navigation system for the archives to show progressing 
discussions.  Many discussions will not be resolved over one week or one 
years time, it is more important to trend discussions to empower drill down 
on positive and negative factors to better identify the real obstacles to 
consensus.  In the end, resolution is more efficient by nature of good 
process.  Therefore summaries of the various topics within the archive will 
be created and available prior to all meetings allowing constituents to see 
how they will be represented and provide ample opportunity for correction.

Thank you.

~k

Kristy McKee

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:56:40 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] Question for Chair Candidates

At 09:04 PM 12/18/2001 +1300, DPF wrote:
>We currently have no limit in force on the number of posts per person
>that can be made a day.The list rules (online at
>http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules-v0.4.html) allow for
>the Chair or monitors to place a limit on.
>
>My question to any Chair candidates are if they will reinstitute such
>a limit and if so what limit do they have in mind.
>
>I note some days people have made as many as 14 posts.
>
>DPF
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Mr. Farrar,

Thank you for your question.

Like communication styles, the amount of communication varies from person 
to person.  Having rules for conduct and limiting communication seems like 
a probable solution; and yet the real solution lies within each person - 
self control.  The real trick would be to have an atmosphere where people 
add to / modify / attack the written understandings &/or opinions of 
participants in a trackable format without excess emotional fallout.

If we are going to have posting limits, it would be nice if the Assembly 
voted for their ground rules and the consequences for breaking them to 
provide a clear path of action.  Personally, eight (8) posts per day to the 
moderated list with no limit on sub-lists would be my preference with an 
automated reaction triggered by DNSO.org software and if not; then added 
functionality to the ga-abuse site so the list monitors would have a more 
automated solution than we did if they choose to use it.

:)

~k

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:19:48 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] I nominate Joop

Damn it, we've already seen the problem with electing Chairs because
of their agenda.

I really wish people would wake up.

Friday, Friday, December 21, 2001, 4:25:40 AM, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> 1a. Full name of the nominee: Joop Teernstra
> 1b. E-mail address of the nominee: [email-masked]
> 2a. Full name of the nominator: Jean-François C. Morfin
> 2b. E-mail address of the nominator: Jefsey Morfin
> 2c. GA-ga subscriber, GA-announce subscriber, GA-voting registry, DNSO 
> Constituency member

> Joop is the voice of an idea which will become the GA with the @large 
> arrival and the attitude of the NC. I do not approve the ALSC nor the NC. 
> But if this is what *they* want Joop would be a good choice. I do not 
> nominate WXW as he would refuse and as it would be angelism but I also take 
> into consideration his positions.

> Let be practical we want the GA to serve to something: Joop is the only one 
> in here who has an agenda that everyone knows and that most approve. He has 
> the experience, the seniority and he has been burnt by history. He is on a 
> ccTLD board, has supporters and opponents enough to bring us a structure. 
> Under the circumstances I suppose that a Kristy/Joop balanced ticket would 
> be a real opportunity for the GA to overcome its present status.

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:38:30 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] GIIC - The sixth annual GIIC Forum

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Yes this is old news but I believe that our members should be reminded
as they get ready to vote for people to lead the GA through this next
year.

The digital divide is real and one of the most important issues
regarding the DNSO.

The UDRP and Transfer problems are a direct result of this phenomenon.
If we do not work at bridging this gap we stand no chance of creating
systems to deal with the problems.

If we elect people that clearly want to enhance and deepen this divide
we do a real disservice to ourselves.

Sincerely,

Eric

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<b>News & Press</b>

<p><font size=3D3><b>The GIIC Finds Disagreement on Digital Divide Priori=
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<i>Global Leaders Have Different Understanding and Solutions to Global Di=
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<p>Dublin, Ireland, Wednesday 4 April 2001 - The Global Information Infra=
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nd solutions regarding the global Digital Divide.

<p>Major Study Findings

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<li>Business leaders from different geographical areas have different und=
erstanding, priorities and solutions to the Digital Divide
<li>Access to technology infrastructure is seen as the primary cause for =
the Digital Divide
<li>South American business leaders point to basic education reforms and =
privatisation as major policy initiatives needed to close the Digital Div=
ide
<li>Asia/Pacific business leaders believe cultural and language differenc=
es are the primary causes of the Digital Divide
<li>African business leaders believe that the Digital Divide is primarily=
 related to poverty and the inability to gain the investment for telecomm=
unications infrastructure
<li>Both American and European business leaders believe information secur=
ity is a major impediment for continuing development in the use of electr=
onic information
<li>Public/Private partnerships are viewed as being primarily responsible=
 for closing the Digital Divide
</ul>

<p>The survey indicates that there are clear differences in the importanc=
e attributed to the Digital Divide issue, according to the geographical l=
ocation of the business leaders. In Africa, there is a significantly high=
er priority placed on this issue than in North America or in Europe.

<p>There is also a significant difference of opinion - again according to=
 the geographical location of the business leaders - as to whether the Di=
vide is widening or narrowing. Leaders from South America point to the ne=
ed for basic educational reform and for an emphasis on privatisation. Cou=
ntries from the Asia/Pacific region believe that culture and language are=
 the greatest obstacles to bridging the Divide.

<p>The study strongly links the widening of the Digital Divide to a lack =
of technology infrastructure. There is agreement that the solution to the=
 Divide must come from business and government in partnership. According =
to the GIIC Commissioners, unless world leaders understand these geograph=
ic differences, little progress will be made; leading to an even broader =
Digital Divide.

<p>GIIC Co-Chair, H. Brian Thompson, cited recent experience in Ireland; =
"The Government fostered policies that encouraged high-tech investment, b=
ringing Ireland into a leading position in the digital economy. These pol=
icies have been a major factor in Ireland's economic recovery and positio=
n it to be a major exporter of hightech products and services. This exper=
ience needs to be understood by all countries looking to close the Digita=
l Divide."

<p>At the annual meeting of the GIIC, W. Bowman Cutter, Executive Directo=
r of the GIIC and Managing Partner of Warburg Pincus, said the survey rev=
ealed some eye opening findings. "These findings need to be studied and c=
orrected before the Digital Divide between the information haves and have=
- -nots will begin to close. Unless business and government leaders address=
 these differences, investments will not be made in infrastructure improv=
ement and people in the underdeveloped economies will suffer. We hope tha=
t the GIIC Commissioners' recommendations will generate a greater in-dept=
h debate by world leaders."

<p>"This survey will have a significant impact, especially in the Asia/Pa=
cific region, in bringing a more precise understanding of the meaning and=
 impact of the Digital Divide," observed Michio Naruto, Special Represent=
ative of Fujitsu Limited and the Asia Co-Chair of the GIIC. He added, "So=
me countries face the likelihood of falling further behind in the digital=
 economy. Through a more effective and greater utilization of IT, these c=
ountries can use digital opportunities to further economic and social dev=
elopments." "The GIIC can help to advance the dialogue on solutions neede=
d for the global information economy, as well as to create awareness of d=
igital opportunities and build constituencies for change," Mr. Naruto not=
ed.

<p>Mr. John Lacopo, a Senior Consultant with Strategic Value and one of t=
he architects of the study, talked about the survey's findings. "These gl=
obal business leaders have very different and, in some instances, diverge=
nt understanding of the issues surrounding the Digital Divide." According=
 to Mr. Lacopo, the Digital Divide is basically the gulf between those th=
at have and those that do not have access to the Internet, and the breadt=
h of electronic information made available through it. "The survey demons=
trates that until business and government leaders sit down and discuss th=
e breadth of issues surrounding the Digital Divide, the gulf will continu=
e in many directions. Our survey results strongly indicate that the issue=
s surrounding the Digital Divide are very different from one geography to=
 another, from one culture to another, and even from one business sector =
to another. Because of this divergence of understanding, solutions and di=
rections by business and government are going to be very disparate unless=
 we arrive at some common understandings."

<p>The GIIC will address the survey over the next two days and provide th=
eir findings and recommendations in a report to the DOT Force, a study gr=
oup formed by the G-8 to investigate the Digital Divide.

<p><b>About the GIIC</b>

<p>The Global Information Infrastructure Commission is a non-profit makin=
g organisation of major technology executives dedicated to fostering poli=
cies and understanding of issues that either encourage or hinder the deve=
lopment and proliferation of the information infrastructure capabilities =
throughout the world. CEOs and senior executives of over fifty of the wor=
ld's leading technology companies have come together to provide advice an=
d council to governmental bodies on policy issues that will enable everyo=
ne to benefit from these new technology based capabilities. Because of it=
s global membership, the GIIC has recently decided to focus its energies =
on the global Digital Divide. The commissioners are dedicated to answerin=
g the question of how best to provide the advantages of the digital age t=
o all parts of the globe. The focus of the organisation is to use the Int=
ernet to close the Digital Divide and to improve the quality of life for =
all people.

<p>For further information, please contact:
<p>Aileen Eglington / Matthew Willis, AE Consulting<br>
 +353872505007/ +35387 9881 007<br>
aileen.eglington / matthew. winis @aeconsult.ie

<p>John D. Lacopo, Strategic Value<br>
Until Thursday 5 April John can be contacted via Denise Walsh, AE Consult=
ing, on 087 2100 731. From Friday 6 April John can be contacted at + 1 30=
3 980 3508, or [email-masked].
<p>Please Note: Conclusions from the conference will be announced at 3.30=
pm, Thursday 5 April. Please contact us for further details
<p>
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:47:19 +0200
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Accepting the nomination

(I'm asking for your pardon if this message's formatting is awful - I'm 
on the train currently.)

1a.  Full name of nominee: Thomas Roessler
1b.  E-mail address of the nominee: [email-masked]

1c.  Background information about the nominee:

In real life, I'm a student of mathematics who's almost done.  Besides 
that, I'm interested in network security, and I'm the current maintainer 
of the mutt mail user agent. Finally, I've been interested in internet 
governance for quite some time now, and have been following ICANN 
matters rather closely since mid-2000.  One of my first ICANN-related 
activities was to start the icann-europe mailing list, which was 
reasonably successful at its time, but is rather inactive right now.

Conflicts of interest: I've co-edited a minor standards track RFC, I'm a 
.org domain name holder, and I'm maintaining the icann-europe mailing 
list.

1d.  Statement of the nominee's objectives in the role as GA Chair

My primary objective is to make the GA mailing list a place where 
reasonable and intelligent discourse can take place.  I believe that the 
GA will and should have a place in the ICANN process if and only if it 
manages to produce coherent and intelligent output, and if it becomes an 
environment which may be attractive even to those who do have a live 
besides the net.

I don't believe that I'd be able to achieve this all alone: Indeed, by 
submitting this acceptance, I hope that I will be elected as chair or 
alternative chair (alternative chair-preferred) together with Alexander 
Svensson, so we can work as a team.  Even more importantly, what's 
needed is the goodwill and activity of the GA's members.  We'll need 
volunteers who are willing to help as list monitors, and election 
watchdogs.  We'll need volunteers who are willing to represent the GA on 
names council task forces, and help to tunnel important discussions and 
insights back and forth between the GA and the respective task forces. 
We may also need volunteers to chair physical GA sessions if the chair 
and the alternative chair are unable to attend such meetings due to time 
and budget constraints.

Some initial steps to make the GA a better place include:

* Back the list monitors' decisions.  There's a lot of slander, 
off-topic postings, and generally bad manners going on on the GA list. 
  This has to stop, even if it means that some members of this mailing 
list have to be banned from posting to it for some time.

* Try to help structuring discussions, so they lead to actual results. 
  This can just mean asking the right questions, but it can also mean 
that a formal drafting and decision-making process is established.  The 
Best Practices or, for instance, some process derived from the W3C 
working group process could be applied - or some combination of these 
(the aspects from the W3C process I'm thinking of are kind of orthogonal 
to the Best Practices).

* Try to make it easier to follow the list by producing summaries of 
discussions on a more or less regular basis.  Take a look at the kernel 
cousins web page to see what I have in mind.  Note that this is not 
something the chairs have to do - indeed, just about every member of 
this list could volunteer.  Also note that such summaries would only 
make sense when there are actually interesting discussions to be 
summarized.

* Do some housekeeping: We have quite a few defunct sublists, some of 
which have been unused since July.  We should get rid of these.

Finally, a word of warning: I most likely won't be able to attend 
in-person meetings of the GA at annual ICANN meetings. I certainly will 
not be able to attend such meetings without funding.

PS: An explanation for the timing of this acceptance may be in order, in 
particular because I have declined the nomination in a private message 
to Elisabeth Porteneuve some time ago.  I had hoped that some candidate 
I could support would show up on the list of possible candidates.  In 
this case, I would have happily refrained from being a candidate myself, 
and would have volunteered to help as a list monitor. This hope also was 
the reason for the slew of nominations I sent last night.  Bad enough, 
it seems that things didn't work out this way.

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:20:01 +0100
From: Alexander Svensson <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: Acceptance statement

===============================================================
     To: [email-masked]
   Date: 21.12.01, 20:48:56
Subject: Acceptance statement
===============================================================

   1a. Full name of the nominee: Alexander Svensson
   1b. E-mail address of the nominee: [email-masked]
   1c. Background information about the nominee:
I'm a student of Political Science and Public Law at the University
of Hamburg, focussing on net and media policy issues. I have
founded icannchannel.de as ICANN information platform in
German language and have been active in the icann-europe list
during the At Large elections. I worked as a GA list monitor
and was a member of the election watchdog committee (which
I will obviously not be while I'm a candidate myself).

   1d. Statement of the nominee's objectives
       in the role as Chair of the GA:

I would reluctantly accept the nomination as GA
Chair candidate, provided that
 * there is financial support for the person chairing
   physical GA meetings (I for one would not be able to
   pay for the travels on my own)
 * the efforts to bring the GA back to work, including
   list monitoring, are backed by the GA membership.

My thoughts about what I would try to achieve:
== If the intelligent and able GA members stop
   contributing to the GA, it is doomed and not
   worth lifting a finger. However, there are
   many people with a wealth of knowledge about
   the issues still reading the list. Tapping
   this potential and getting those people to
   participate is one of the most valuable things
   a GA Chair could achieve.

== There must be far better cooperation between
   GA Chair, GA Alt.Chair and others, including
   list monitors, Secretariat, DNSO constituencies,
   NC and ICANN Board and staff -- the communication
   channels must be kept open even if there are
   strong disagreements.

== The GA (Alt.) Chair should not try to push
   his or her own agenda. He or she should guide
   the GA discussion so that meaningful input
   turns into meaningful output.

== The GA must have procedures to produce motions.
   The Best Practices documents are strong
   candidates and should therefore be tried out;
   if they or an improved version prove to be
   working, they should become the standard
   procedure for motions.

== A posting limit per day must be respected by
   all GA members. The GA rules on personal
   attacks should be enforced primarily by
   warnings, in repeat cases also by temporary
   suspension of posting rights. The list
   monitors' decisions must be implemented and
   the list monitors' work must be backed by
   the GA Chair.

== Particularly, personal feuds *must* come to an
   immediate end. Opinions must be debated on
   their merits.

== If the GA output becomes meaningful, the GA
   has a right to be listened to by NC and Board.

== There are obviously some non-procedural issues
   I would like to further, such as building
   meaningful At Large participation, better
   outreach and more diversity within the GA.
   However, I am far from sure whether I can
   contribute significantly to those goals.
   The current GA situation is lamentable, so
   I put the issues mentioned above on top of
   my personal list.

Conflicts of interest: I'm a domain name holder
in a ccTLD and a gTLD; occasionally, I write
about domain name issues. I own a t-shirt and two
pencils (a red one and a blue one) from a .Name
promotion at ICANN Stockholm. Apart from that,
I don't know about any conflicts of interest
relevant to ICANN issues.

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