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GA-DIGEST          Friday, December 21 2001          Volume 01 : Number 936

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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:57:10 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] DNSO Archives: [announce]

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It is very sad that these rules were so sloppy in their implementation.
But now they are manipulated by those in control.  We can either be a GA
directed by rules or one directed by the elite.

Eric

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[ To: [email-masked], [email-masked] ]
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The DNSO General Assembly needs to formalize its voting procedures.
The very initial startup step consists to agree on the voting rules,
as proposed by Harald Alvestrand, Alternate Chair, and amended
according to the comments received, in:
    <A  HREF="http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-voting-rules.html">http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-voting-rules.html</A>

Once the DNSO GA agree on the voting rules, the next step will
be to vote on the Voting Registry rules, in:
    <A  HREF="http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-voting-registry.html">http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-voting-registry.html</A>

With the voting rules and Voting Registry established, the DNSO GA
will have its voting procedures completed, therefore ready for subsequent
decisions.

The vote on the voting rules will be announced by the GA
Chair, once discussion on the mailing list is finished.

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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:42:42 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Self Nomination and Acceptance by A dotcommoner

Oh believe me I can tell when I am not wanted.  But so can the Jews,
Blacks and Women.
Just because the sign on the GA door says "No dotcommoners allowed"
don't mean I can read.
Our elitists give digital divide a new meaning.
Roeland, I think I will punch back.  ;-}

Nomination;
         1a. Full name of the nominee: Eric Dierker
         1b. E-mail address of the nominee: [email-masked]
         2a. Full name of the nominator: Eric Dierker
         2b. E-mail address of the nominator: [email-masked]
         2c. Type of GA membership: GA-voting registry

Acceptance;
         1a. Full name of the nominee: Eric Dierker
         1b. E-mail address of the nominee: [email-masked]
         2a. Full name of the nominator: Eric Dierker
         2b. E-mail address of the nominator: [email-masked]
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:08:16 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO Archives: [announce]

Eric and all assembly members,

  I think there is a third choice.  A GA that is directed by rules
that the members vote upon instead of rules imposed upon them.
I prefer this choice/option.

Eric Dierker wrote:

> It is very sad that these rules were so sloppy in their implementation.
> But now they are manipulated by those in control.  We can either be a GA
> directed by rules or one directed by the elite.
>
> Eric
>
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/announce/Arc01/msg00000.html
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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:06:20 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Self Nomination and Acceptance by A dotcommoner

Thursday, Thursday, December 20, 2001, 10:42:42 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:

> Oh believe me I can tell when I am not wanted.  But so can the Jews,
> Blacks and Women.
> Just because the sign on the GA door says "No dotcommoners allowed"
> don't mean I can read.
> Our elitists give digital divide a new meaning.
> Roeland, I think I will punch back.  ;-}

There is no discrimination.

It's not "common" people who are being rejected, Eric.

It is you, as an individual.

Your repeated claims to be the representative of the "dotcommoners"
are seen as the hollow statements they are, and nothing but a thinly
veiled attempt to get people to take you more seriously.

It hasn't worked, people see through it, and this is only a rejection
of you, that YOU are not someone the members of the GA want to say is
a representative of them.

As members of the GA, that is our right.  It is time for all those
"friends" who email support for you offlist to step up to the plate
and nominate you if they believe in you.  But I believe they are as
fictional as INEGroups' incorporation and their thousands of
"members.:

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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:21:09 -0800
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO Archives: [announce]

Hell, I'll just settle for rules that are enforced equally and maybe a vote
that counts somewhere other than here.

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:08 AM
|> To: Eric Dierker
|> Cc: [email-masked]
|> Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO Archives: [announce]
|> 
|> 
|> Eric and all assembly members,
|> 
|>   I think there is a third choice.  A GA that is directed by rules
|> that the members vote upon instead of rules imposed upon them.
|> I prefer this choice/option.
|> 
|> Eric Dierker wrote:
|> 
|> > It is very sad that these rules were so sloppy in their 
|> implementation.
|> > But now they are manipulated by those in control.  We can 
|> either be a GA
|> > directed by rules or one directed by the elite.
|> >
|> > Eric
|> >
|> > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/announce/Arc01/msg00000.html
|> >
|> >   
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|> 
|> Regards,
|> --
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|> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
|> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
|> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
|> E-Mail [email-masked]
|> Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
|> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:26:11 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO Archives: [announce]

But of course so do I.  As we disagree on much we always agree on that
point.

Legitimately make rules and abide by them in an equal and
nondiscriminatory
manner.

But we have a fiat here, either in the WXW mode of attacking the person
and not
the position or, the apparent Roessler mode of doing all the work in
private.

It reminds me of the not too old Crocker - Crispin one two punch.

Ya we will see?

Sleeping is the only sure way to miss it.
Eric

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric and all assembly members,
>
>   I think there is a third choice.  A GA that is directed by rules
> that the members vote upon instead of rules imposed upon them.
> I prefer this choice/option.
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > It is very sad that these rules were so sloppy in their implementation.
> > But now they are manipulated by those in control.  We can either be a GA
> > directed by rules or one directed by the elite.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/announce/Arc01/msg00000.html
> >
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>
> Regards,
> --
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> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail [email-masked]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:27:01 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Self Nomination and Acceptance by A dotcommoner

Funny,

You see how I stated in caps "A" dotcommoner.

Strange how you notice because I place it into public notice rather
than hide it until after the fact.

Why don't you critique your hiding friends?

I don't expect to win because the Ga is captured but I expect to stay
and not just take punches and throw insults.

Eric

William X Walsh wrote:

> Thursday, Thursday, December 20, 2001, 10:42:42 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Oh believe me I can tell when I am not wanted.  But so can the Jews,
> > Blacks and Women.
> > Just because the sign on the GA door says "No dotcommoners allowed"
> > don't mean I can read.
> > Our elitists give digital divide a new meaning.
> > Roeland, I think I will punch back.  ;-}
>
> There is no discrimination.
>
> It's not "common" people who are being rejected, Eric.
>
> It is you, as an individual.
>
> Your repeated claims to be the representative of the "dotcommoners"
> are seen as the hollow statements they are, and nothing but a thinly
> veiled attempt to get people to take you more seriously.
>
> It hasn't worked, people see through it, and this is only a rejection
> of you, that YOU are not someone the members of the GA want to say is
> a representative of them.
>
> As members of the GA, that is our right.  It is time for all those
> "friends" who email support for you offlist to step up to the plate
> and nominate you if they believe in you.  But I believe they are as
> fictional as INEGroups' incorporation and their thousands of
> "members.:
>
> --
> Best regards,
> William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:30:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick H Wesson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Self Nomination and Acceptance by A dotcommoner

Eric,

I nominate you to my .procmailrc

:0 H:
* Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
/dev/null

have a nice day...

- -rick

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, William X Walsh wrote:

> Thursday, Thursday, December 20, 2001, 10:42:42 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Oh believe me I can tell when I am not wanted.  But so can the Jews,
> > Blacks and Women.
> > Just because the sign on the GA door says "No dotcommoners allowed"
> > don't mean I can read.
> > Our elitists give digital divide a new meaning.
> > Roeland, I think I will punch back.  ;-}
>
> There is no discrimination.
>
> It's not "common" people who are being rejected, Eric.
>
> It is you, as an individual.
>
> Your repeated claims to be the representative of the "dotcommoners"
> are seen as the hollow statements they are, and nothing but a thinly
> veiled attempt to get people to take you more seriously.
>
> It hasn't worked, people see through it, and this is only a rejection
> of you, that YOU are not someone the members of the GA want to say is
> a representative of them.
>
> As members of the GA, that is our right.  It is time for all those
> "friends" who email support for you offlist to step up to the plate
> and nominate you if they believe in you.  But I believe they are as
> fictional as INEGroups' incorporation and their thousands of
> "members.:
>
> --
> Best regards,
> William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:51:14 -0500
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

> No, this is what happens when the deck is so stacked that the other
players
> don't see the point in playing anymore.

I'm not sure that the lack of players is indicative of a stacked deck. The
problem lies elsewhere. People like playing against the odds, look at the
number of people playing cards in Vegas on any given day...

- -rwr

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:54:59 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:37:42 -0800, Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>On the day nominations close, with out announcement to the General list
>Candidate Roessler files the below three nominations.

Surely this is a good thing.  Is it not desirable to have a wide
choice of candidates for an election?

>Has the Cabal behind the scenes and in the Watchdog committee already
>decided the Roessler is the next chair and he his nominating these 
>three as people that he can work with?  And he is so silent about it.

Umm what cabal is this?  And the watchdog committee have no say in who
gets elected other than to verify that the election results are
correct.

>Is this how we now do things in the GA?

I'm sorry but I fail to see why anyone should be upset because someone
has nominated people for GA Chair.  As a potential voter I certainly
would like as wide a choice as possible.

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:03:32 -0800
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

|> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:51 AM
|> 
|> > No, this is what happens when the deck is so stacked that the other
|> > players don't see the point in playing anymore.
|> 
|> I'm not sure that the lack of players is indicative of a 
|> stacked deck. The problem lies elsewhere. People like 
|> playing against the odds, look at the number of people 
|> playing cards in Vegas on any given day...

Playing against the odds is one thing, playing into a stacked deck is a
guaranteed loss. Right on up there with running into a concrete and rebar
wall, head first. You absolutely know that it's going to hurt. So, don't you
do it.

There is the pain of the required 8-10 grand unreimbursed expense you sign
up for, when you accept the privilege of being the GA chair. That's kind of
a showstopper in most folk's accounting books. In case you hadn't noticed,
there's a recession going on, in the US. Considering that the GA has no vote
anywhere that counts, within the ICANN, that's 8-10 grand for nothing.
Where's the beef? It looks like pure soy to me.
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 04:15:34 -0500
From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

> Playing against the odds is one thing, playing into a stacked deck is a
> guaranteed loss. Right on up there with running into a concrete and rebar
> wall, head first. You absolutely know that it's going to hurt. So, don't
you
> do it.
>
> There is the pain of the required 8-10 grand unreimbursed expense you sign
> up for, when you accept the privilege of being the GA chair. That's kind
of
> a showstopper in most folk's accounting books. In case you hadn't noticed,
> there's a recession going on, in the US. Considering that the GA has no
vote
> anywhere that counts, within the ICANN, that's 8-10 grand for nothing.
> Where's the beef? It looks like pure soy to me.

There are any number of people that would step up to the plate gratis if it
were a worthwhile endeavor. If the GA could demonstrate even the smallest
promise of ever being "organizable" then I am sure that candidates would be
a lot more comfortable stepping up to the plate - even without a vote or
cash recompensation.

There are a ton of great ideas that come out of the GA and a ton of good
people here. Coherency and focus is, for the most part, incredibly lacking
however.

- -rwr

BTW - I've trimmed the cc' line back - I'm pretty sure that everybody on the
old line is already subscribed to the GA list.

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:20:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Greenwell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:

>
> > No, this is what happens when the deck is so stacked that the other
> players
> > don't see the point in playing anymore.
>
> I'm not sure that the lack of players is indicative of a stacked deck. The
> problem lies elsewhere.

Could you be more specific?

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:01:08 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Self Nomination and Acceptance by A dotcommoner

WXW and all assembly members,

  Dotcommers is a pseudonym for Stakeholders/users.  It is a shame that
you and/or others do not understand that.  I believe at least some
GA members do however.  I may be wrong on that score though, as
it is plain you do not.

  INEGroup is not incorporated.  It is and association.  Ergo, again it is
obvious, or should be, that you are again attempting to slur or spin the
facts to meet some odd and disgusting preconception of your own making.
That's fine for you I suppose, but others such as myself, and perhaps
Eric find it a hindrance to the GA as an assembly and only serves
to disrupt any efforts this assembly may be making towards forward
progress.  However I am sure it is understood that this has been
your long term practice and habit both here on the GA ML as well
as on the IDNO ML.

  I for one find Erics courage to nominate himself for Chair, in lew of
the current lack of interest for candidates to be nominated by others,
unfortunately necessary.

William X Walsh wrote:

> Thursday, Thursday, December 20, 2001, 10:42:42 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Oh believe me I can tell when I am not wanted.  But so can the Jews,
> > Blacks and Women.
> > Just because the sign on the GA door says "No dotcommoners allowed"
> > don't mean I can read.
> > Our elitists give digital divide a new meaning.
> > Roeland, I think I will punch back.  ;-}
>
> There is no discrimination.
>
> It's not "common" people who are being rejected, Eric.
>
> It is you, as an individual.
>
> Your repeated claims to be the representative of the "dotcommoners"
> are seen as the hollow statements they are, and nothing but a thinly
> veiled attempt to get people to take you more seriously.
>
> It hasn't worked, people see through it, and this is only a rejection
> of you, that YOU are not someone the members of the GA want to say is
> a representative of them.
>
> As members of the GA, that is our right.  It is time for all those
> "friends" who email support for you offlist to step up to the plate
> and nominate you if they believe in you.  But I believe they are as
> fictional as INEGroups' incorporation and their thousands of
> "members.:
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:49:37 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

On 01:03 21/12/01 -0800, Roeland Meyer said:

>There is the pain of the required 8-10 grand unreimbursed expense you sign
>up for, when you accept the privilege of being the GA chair. That's kind of
>a showstopper in most folk's accounting books.

Well , if the Chair can also represent a non-profit org, like a Boating 
club <g> , and then joins the NCDNHC, there is a good chance that Salzburg 
Seminar will fund most of the travel cost.

If they change their rules, this route would even be unnecessary.

Of course , taking a week out of running a business is the real charity.
That is what you mean, I guess.

"For what?" is the question every candidate must answer for him/herself.

For some of us, even if there is no immediate expectation of being listened 
to, giving up is conceding defeat.

- --Joop

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:36:50 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO Archives: [announce]

On 23:21 20/12/01 -0800, Roeland Meyer said:
>Hell, I'll just settle for rules that are enforced equally and maybe a vote
>that counts somewhere other than here.

The IDNO is currently scheduling elections. :-)

- --Joop

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:10:00 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Please comment Candidate Roessler

Ross and all assembly members,

Ross Wm. Rader wrote:

> > No, this is what happens when the deck is so stacked that the other
> players
> > don't see the point in playing anymore.
>
> I'm not sure that the lack of players is indicative of a stacked deck. The
> problem lies elsewhere. People like playing against the odds, look at the
> number of people playing cards in Vegas on any given day...

  Remember poker is a game of skill.  Politics predominantly is not.
Rather, politics is a game of innuendo and money.  The distinction
between the two may be small, but it is none the less distinct...

>
>
> -rwr
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:52:16 +0100 (MET)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: FW: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and Tiscal	 i

Sorry,
I forgot to send this to the GA

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From: [email-masked]
Sent: Fri Dec 21 02:41:33 CET 2001
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and Tiscal	 i
Jeffrey,

I think you [the INEGroup] has the manpower, the money, the connection, the 
knowledge, the skills and thousand other things to make the same thing New.
net does. Seriously I think you and your 'Over 121k members/stakeholdes' 
could do a much better job than New.net.
If you decide to create a new registry I would be proud to sell you domains 
as a registrar through my nic.info site (http://nic.info.xs2.net)

You [the INEGroup] have the power do do this, believe me!

Zeig ICANN wo der Hammer hängt! 

 ;-) :D

cheers
simon
http://nic.pro.xs2.net

> Marc, Roeland and all assembly members,
>   We [INEGroup] have long agreed that splitting the Net/Root structure
> was not the best solution to expansion of the DNS and especially the
> addition of new TLD's.  However the ICANN Interim BoD and than
> the ICANN BOD and staff have made this necessary by their lack
> of both vision and disregard for RFC 1591.  Hence companies such
> as New.Net along with other ISP's have little choice if they wish to
> remain competitive in a ever increasingly competitive market.
>   The ICANN BoD and staff have created the 'Mess' and have also
> refused to help clean it up thus far.  I personally suspect that sometime
> down the road that this too shall see a great change in direction.
> Marc Schneiders wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 15:36 [=GMT-0800], Roeland Meyer wrote:
> >
> > > If you think about it, this is obviously what ICANN wants. As the main 
dog
> > > in the manger, keeping all other cooperative/collective solutions
> > > suppressed, the cartel approach is the only way left to route around 
them.
> > >
> > > The ICANN is either too stupid for words or they are cunningly 
> manipulating
> > > the internet into a cartel-only existance. I don't see a middle-ground
> > > interpretation of their actions. Maybe my imagination is lacking?
> >
> > I think your imigination is quite acurate. Unfortunately. This doesn't
> > mean I have to like the solution of new.net, or any other counter
> > cartel. ICANN may be a cartel (and mainly it is, I think). That
> > doesn't mean that the way out is a competitor that does not 'talk'
> > with it. Yes, I know that the breaking down of Telco monopolies (I
> > only know about here, Holland) was not easy, but at least it did not
> > turn into a _mess_. new.net etc means a mess, as you know. I have seen
> > your efforts to repair this mess on a technical DNS level, and I
> > appreciate your ideas. But this is not the way for 'users'.
> >
> > We should avoid a mess, really, not because it would not be fun, it
> > would be.
> >
> > M
> >
> >  > > |> -----Original
> > Message----- > |> From: Marc Schneiders [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > > |> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:11 PM
> > > |> To: [email-masked]
> > > |> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> > > |> Subject: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and
> > > |> Tiscali
> > > |>
> > > |>
> > > |> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 22:51 [=GMT+0100], [email-masked] wrote:
> > > |>
> > > |> > @ Pascal and all,
> > > |> >
> > > |> > There will be definitivly a Domain resolution over the Tiscali
> > > |> > DNS. All other is wishful thinking from you as a competitor.
> > > |> >
> > > |> > According to my information New.net will add another big ISP in
> > > |> > the next days to jump over 100 mil users with access before 2002.
> > > |> >
> > > |> > ISPs smell the cash... there is no reason for ISPs why they
> > > |> > shouldn't join the New.net team. Hey, they get mo money and their
> > > |> > customers get more TLDs. Sounds goog to me.
> > > |> >
> > > |> > Sorry,
> > > |> > but as always money makes the world go round.
> > > |>
> > > |> No need to apologize, just to think. Is this what we want? Me selling
> > > |> bad.kids and you too?
> > > |>
> > > |> I don't think so. I would like to go for something solid. Regulated,
> > > |> but NOT a cartel.
> > > |>
> > > |> --
> > > |> [email-masked]
> > > |>
> > > |> >
> > > |> > cheers,
> > > |> > simon
> > > |> > http://nic.pro.xs2.net
> > > |> >
> > > |> > > Jeff, Thomas and all,
> > > |> > > Tiscal has confirmed that there is a form of cooperation
> > > |> with new.net.
> > > |> > > _but_ following my information, there's no active
> > > |> registration over the
> > > |> > > Tiscali network. Furthermore a Domain resolution over
> > > |> the Tiscali DNS
> > > |> > > has not been confirmed yet. As far as I know, there are
> > > |> no further
> > > |> > > informations as the press release of new.net, which
> > > |> doesn't say veray
> > > |> > > much...
> > > |> > > Regards,
> > > |> > > Pascal
> > > |> > > On 20 Dec 2001 at 13:16, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > |> > > > Thomas and all,
> > > |> > > >
> > > |> > > >   Thomas, thank you for this input.  It is not
> > > |> unexpected of course. As
> > > |> > > > has been the steady but somewhat subdued trend, the
> > > |> ISP's seeking
> > > |> > > > additional customers and service product offerings,
> > > |> Inclusive and
> > > |> > > > competitive registries/Root structures are becoming
> > > |> the best avenue for
> > > |> > > > both potential customer and the ISP's....
> > > |> > > >
> > > |> > > > Thomas Roessler wrote:
> > > |> > > >
> > > |> > > > > According to an item on Heise's news ticker, Tiscali
> > > |> - one of the
> > > |> > > > > larger European ISPs - has joined the club of those
> > > |> who will add
> > > |> > > > > new.net's domains.
> > > |> > > > >
> > > |> > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-20.12.01-000/
> > > |> > > > > http://www.new.net/tiscali_press.tp
> > > |> > > > >
> > > |> > > > > There doesn't seem to be any press release on
> > > |> Tiscali's web site.
> > > |> > > > >
> > > |> > > > > --
> > > |> > > > > Thomas Roessler
> > > http://log.does-not-exist.org/
> > > > > > >
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