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GA-DIGEST         Thursday, November 29 2001         Volume 01 : Number 890

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:24:01 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Objective of a GA member

Dear GA,

I have received several replies.  Some on the list and some off.  Here is
a response that is A-typical in its complete giving of ones self.  I find
it sincere.  I find it a model.  I like the refusal to name negative
suspects (I assume I may be in there) refreshing and a positive sidestep.

I believe that learning more about our similarities we can move in a more
positive fashion toward a consensus of common good.

Please respond so that we may move closer to a common goal and then
achieve it.

sincerely,
Eric

DPF wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:37:14 -0800, Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> >1.    Why are you monitoring?
>
> To keep informed about ICANN and DNSO issues.
>
> >2.    Why do you participate?
>
> When I think I have something worthwhile to say which may be of
> interest or influence others.
>
> >3.    What do you expect of the GA?
>
> If nothing else it is the only official ICANN e-mail forum where any
> ICANN issue can be discussed by anyone.  That is a hugely valuable
> role.
>
> It can function effectively on some issues.  I think the GA was at its
> best during the Verisign contract changes debate as we had lots of
> people contributing from different constituencies.
>
> It suffers from the fact it tends to be the de facto individual's
> constituency and when we do get an Individual Registrant's
> constituency the GA may be better placed to focus on being the place
> where all the constituencies can come together to discuss issues.
>
> >4.    Name your four favorite GA participants.
>
> Not sure if I would say they are favourites but Jon W and Bret Fausett
> I always read and find hard to disagree with.  And even though I
> rarely agree with him I always follow Kent Crispin's contributions -
> one can have a good debate with Kent and explore issues.  Likewise
> from Chuck Gomes. Marc Schneiders is always also a good read and there
> are a few others like that.
>
> >5.    Name your least favorite GA participants.
>
> Wouldn't be productive to state this.
>
> >6.    Are you in favor of the ALSC proposal?
>
> Parts of it yes but the reduction from nine to six no and the probably
> introduction of such high fees as to wipe out 95% of current members
> not at all.  Less than convinced too about restricting it to domain
> name admin contacts only.
>
> >7.    Do you want an IDNH So?
>
> I am 100% in support of an IDNH constituency in the DNSO.
>
> >8.     Is staff doing a proper job?
>
> In any voluntary society the staff end up being hugely influential and
> important.  I know because I have been staff myself.
>
> However in ICANN I do feel that rather too much delegated authority
> exists and the Board does not drive the agenda enough.  For this I
> blame the Board not the staff, who I am sure work hard in the best
> interest of ICANN as they perceive it.  If the staff have too much
> power it is because the Board lets them.
>
> >9.    Is the BoD doing a proper job?
>
> No.  Approving non existent minutes was merely a symptom of the
> problem.  Approving the changes to the Verisign contracts against the
> advice of the DNSO was wrong.  Allowing GAC to make policy which
> over-rules the DNSO is wrong.  Allowing the staff to blackmail ccTLDs
> into signing contracts (on the basis of no changes to current root
> zone info) is wrong.  It is insane that the IANA database shows the
> .nz manager as being located in a building it left a year or so ago
> and showing the technical contract as the organisation which hasn't
> been it for 18 months.
>
> >10.    Is the NC doing a proper job?
>
> No.  It is pretty much ignored by the Board and staff.  The NC to be
> fair does seem to have got better of late and has been trying to
> assert its authority in areas like excluding country names from .info
> but a long way to go.
>
> DPF
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:42:41 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Objective of a GA member

Self serving I know to answer my own questions but otherwise cowardly,
please everyone answer so we can establish some values.

Eric Dierker wrote:

> 1.    Why are you monitoring?
>

I find it intriguing and enlightening.  Even when kicked off the list I
monitored and engaged off list.  I believe this is my children's' future
and my fathers present.

>
> 2.    Why do you participate?
>

Because I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but we have a place
also.  Man even my voice may impact some great person to do something
different.  And by the criticism I receive I learn

>
> 3.    What do you expect of the GA?
>

Be the guiding, (not governmental, not dictatorial, not ruling or
deciding) voice of common users of the Internet.

>
> 4.    Name your four favorite GA participants.
>

This is hard because I like so many and will forget a few.
Baptista-yes, Corliss, Berryhill, Kristy, Joanna, Namecritic, Joseph,
certainly Sotiris, Brett and Michael are in a group by themselves,
Flemming and Roberto.

>
> 5.    Name your least favorite GA participants.
>

Me, I post to much and don't get along with technocrats.

>
> 6.    Are you in favor of the ALSC proposal?
>

Humans versus DMNHs and 6 versus 9 should not be issues but I want to
move forward.

>
> 7.    Do you want an IDNH So?
>

Yesterday and last year are toooooo late.

>
> 8.     Is staff doing a proper job?
>

They have had an opportunity to do it right but refuse.  I know it is a
hard job but man they do it in a self interested way.  They get paid
enough to serve us so I think they should.

>
> 9.    Is the BoD doing a proper job?
>

I have been around this tree with Karl - what is their job?

>
> 10.    Is the NC doing a proper job?
>

No absolutely not.  No excuses, they are most responsible for blocking
the GA and bottoms up open and transparent consensus.  Can we recall
them?

>
> Eric
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:10:52 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Watch Dog Committee:  Request New Members

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:03:07 -0600, [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
wrote:

>      The members to the Watchdog Committee in 2001 election are:
>         o Roberto Gaetano (request for removal received on 3rd July 2001)
>         o Harald Alvestrand
>         o Kent Crispin (request for removal received on 2nd July 2001)
>         o Dany Vandromme
>         o Alexander Svensson
>         o Izumi Aizu

Would Patrick Corliss be willing to serve?

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:10:50 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Names Council Task Forces

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:02:30 -0800, Jeff Williams
<[email-masked]> wrote:

>David and all assembly members,
>
>  Not David not everyone can post to [email-masked].  I can't for instance.

I suspect we may now know why that address is now moderated :-)

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:53:51 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Objective of a GA member

Eric and all assembly members,

  Ok.  However I find some of the questions both leading and
questionably couched.  So I shall answer accordingly.

  See answers below..

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Self serving I know to answer my own questions but otherwise cowardly,
> please everyone answer so we can establish some values.
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > 1.    Why are you monitoring?

  I am not monitoring I am participating.

>
> >
>
> I find it intriguing and enlightening.  Even when kicked off the list I
> monitored and engaged off list.  I believe this is my children's' future
> and my fathers present.
>
> >
> > 2.    Why do you participate?

  Because I am a stakeeholder.

>
> >
>
> Because I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but we have a place
> also.  Man even my voice may impact some great person to do something
> different.  And by the criticism I receive I learn
>
> >
> > 3.    What do you expect of the GA?

  I expect nothing.  I hope for allot.

>
> >
>
> Be the guiding, (not governmental, not dictatorial, not ruling or
> deciding) voice of common users of the Internet.
>
> >
> > 4.    Name your four favorite GA participants.

  I have no favorites.  To do so I think would be contrary to open
participation.  Rather I am more interested in issues that concern
the purpose of the DNSO GA.

>
> >
>
> This is hard because I like so many and will forget a few.
> Baptista-yes, Corliss, Berryhill, Kristy, Joanna, Namecritic, Joseph,
> certainly Sotiris, Brett and Michael are in a group by themselves,
> Flemming and Roberto.
>
> >
> > 5.    Name your least favorite GA participants.

  Again, I have none.  I think such a question is leading and divisive.

>
> >
>
> Me, I post to much and don't get along with technocrats.
>
> >
> > 6.    Are you in favor of the ALSC proposal?

  No

>
> >
>
> Humans versus DMNHs and 6 versus 9 should not be issues but I want to
> move forward.
>
> >
> > 7.    Do you want an IDNH So?

  As an SO, no.

>
> >
>
> Yesterday and last year are toooooo late.
>
> >
> > 8.     Is staff doing a proper job?

  Which or whoms staff?

>
> >
>
> They have had an opportunity to do it right but refuse.  I know it is a
> hard job but man they do it in a self interested way.  They get paid
> enough to serve us so I think they should.
>
> >
> > 9.    Is the BoD doing a proper job?

  No.

>
> >
>
> I have been around this tree with Karl - what is their job?
>
> >
> > 10.    Is the NC doing a proper job?

  No

>
> >
>
> No absolutely not.  No excuses, they are most responsible for blocking
> the GA and bottoms up open and transparent consensus.  Can we recall
> them?
>
> >
> > Eric
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:56:16 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Names Council Task Forces

Dave and all assembly,

DPF wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:02:30 -0800, Jeff Williams
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> >David and all assembly members,
> >
> >  Not David not everyone can post to [email-masked].  I can't for instance.
>
> I suspect we may now know why that address is now moderated :-)

  I see.  Nice snide retort.  >;)  None the less this is yet one of many reasons
why the DNSO is censored and therefore of lacking trust.

>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:45:46 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Good News

Eric and all assembly members,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> I have reached a LOI in which I gratuitously threw in the GA and AL importance
> to a company that will be reaching out to millions, no not spam but a
> commercial enterprise that will both have WWW presence and physically reach a
> global market.

  ORSC, New.Net, INEGroup(Many web sites for instance) and a few
others kinda beat you to the punch by about 1 1/2 years.  But we hope we
will be glad you are going to be on board!  >;)

> You see some interests want a non-profit legitimacy and I lied
> and said this reference to the GA and AL would give it to them.  Nope nothing
> official but a guaranteed million hits a day by May 2002.  It is so sweet - it
> will just say "do you want to be a part of running the worlds' Internet click
> here"
> Of course it will include things like You could be the next General Assembly
> Chair or you could sit on the BoD of ICANN"

  Well this is a shame.  Because such a message will be misleading and therefore
spam!

>
>
> You see it is a catch 22.  No one in ICANN wants participation but by properly
> offering it there is nothing ICANN can do about it.

  Except what you propose above, if any example, is not proper or legitimate.

>  When people here sign up
> they will get notices of their rights pursuant to WTO and BTAs and National
> rights.  Then they will get their Ambassadors links and on and on.

  This is good.  But is already being done.  The more the merrier along these
lines however.

>
>
> I have finally discovered that ICANN does not give permission and the GA will
> not move on its' own.  But what the heck I work with a quiet little marketing
> company, directing 2 million hits a day so why not use it to bring in the
> basics - numbers.

  And New.net, INEGRoup, ORSC and a few others do 20 times that number
today.  But again the more the merrier!  >;)

>
>
> Oh sorry that is BAD NEWS for many of you, but what the heck you are not
> getting anything done in the meantime.

  We are building new networks every week.  How is Hi-Tek doing?

>
>
> Oh as far as working with the ALSC and especially Esther Dyson, sorry it was a
> big no at the UN, they like our model but if ED was involved it was a
> non-starter.  Yikes she must really have a history.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
> Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>
> > On 01:11 24/11/01, Joop Teernstra said:
> > >This is where the original idea of a healthy At Large membership of
> > >several hundred thousand comes in.
> >
> > There is no way of getting that without a huge pount of money and constant
> > efforts. Only Regitry, Registrars and Reseller can give it a try to "buy"
> > the ICANN. In that case the 6 Directors instead of  9 "purchased" by gTLD
> > is that last hope for a non total business/NSI capture.
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:54:59 +0100
From: "Pascal Bernhard - cube" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Good News

Jeff, Eric and all assembly members,

On 28 Nov 2001, at 22:45, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric Dierker wrote:
> 
> > I have reached a LOI in which I gratuitously threw in the GA and AL
> > importance to a company that will be reaching out to millions, no not
> > spam but a commercial enterprise that will both have WWW presence and
> > physically reach a global market.
> 
>   ORSC, New.Net, INEGroup(Many web sites for instance) and a few
> others kinda beat you to the punch by about 1 1/2 years.  But we hope we
> will be glad you are going to be on board!  >;)

Jeff, I'm not sure what board you mean. As far as my experience with 
alternative roots reaches, all are trying to push their own system on 
the market. Information exchange takes just place, when somebody 
decides "to be kind" with someone else. To be kind means 
instrumentalize the other one for the own aims. I don't wanna be 
destructive, but the reality is: alternative roots don't have a real 
common censensus until today.

As divided systems, they are too weak to have a real weight in the 
balance with ICANN, even if ORSC has 40 Mio. hits. What's a hit, 
anyway?

> > You see some interests want a non-profit legitimacy and I lied
> > and said this reference to the GA and AL would give it to them.  Nope
> > nothing official but a guaranteed million hits a day by May 2002.  It
> > is so sweet - it will just say "do you want to be a part of running
> > the worlds' Internet click here" Of course it will include things like
> > You could be the next General Assembly Chair or you could sit on the
> > BoD of ICANN"
> 
Dreams... There is one thing, the alternative roots should understand. 
A root system is just so much worth as ISPs resolve it. I don't mean 
ISPs like John Doe in Smithvillage but real carriers and ISPs: MCI, 
ECRC, ATT and the like or very used networks like AOL. If anybody 
is able to bring one of them to an new root system, then there is a 
weight in the balance and that one can discuss with ICANN.

> > You see it is a catch 22.  No one in ICANN wants participation but by
> > properly offering it there is nothing ICANN can do about it.
> 
>   Except what you propose above, if any example, is not proper or
>   legitimate.

Jeff, what legitimation has ICANN anyway? ICANN is based on a 
contract with the DoC and ICANN doesn't fulfill this contract. 
Furthermore, a contract with the US DoC legitimes ICANN in the US 
but not in Mexico, Lichtenstein, Iraq, UK or Germany. If anybody 
want's to create a company supporting a root server system and 
creating a kind of customer decision voting procedure, it is legitimate.

> > Oh sorry that is BAD NEWS for many of you, but what the heck you are
> > not getting anything done in the meantime.
> 
>   We are building new networks every week.  How is Hi-Tek doing?

You see: division. _That_ is the one reason why ICANN can do 
things as it does.

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:43:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick H Wesson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Objective of a GA member

I think there is one question that was not asked that should have been,

  11. Is the GA doing its job?

IMNSHO, the GA could do great things, no matter what anyone else says. I
see nothing but bickering from the GA; I hope the GA will stand and
the interested will provide input into the process, no matter how broken
ICANN is, when large groups of folks AGREE people listen; when a few loud
mouths post alot of krap people just tune out and discount the entire GA.

If you have ideas you want to see executed, collect the masses, write the
documents; if you want to continue to disservice the GA post more krap.

- -rick

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Eric Dierker wrote:

> Self serving I know to answer my own questions but otherwise cowardly,
> please everyone answer so we can establish some values.
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > 1.    Why are you monitoring?
> >
>
> I find it intriguing and enlightening.  Even when kicked off the list I
> monitored and engaged off list.  I believe this is my children's' future
> and my fathers present.
>
> >
> > 2.    Why do you participate?
> >
>
> Because I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but we have a place
> also.  Man even my voice may impact some great person to do something
> different.  And by the criticism I receive I learn
>
> >
> > 3.    What do you expect of the GA?
> >
>
> Be the guiding, (not governmental, not dictatorial, not ruling or
> deciding) voice of common users of the Internet.
>
> >
> > 4.    Name your four favorite GA participants.
> >
>
> This is hard because I like so many and will forget a few.
> Baptista-yes, Corliss, Berryhill, Kristy, Joanna, Namecritic, Joseph,
> certainly Sotiris, Brett and Michael are in a group by themselves,
> Flemming and Roberto.
>
> >
> > 5.    Name your least favorite GA participants.
> >
>
> Me, I post to much and don't get along with technocrats.
>
> >
> > 6.    Are you in favor of the ALSC proposal?
> >
>
> Humans versus DMNHs and 6 versus 9 should not be issues but I want to
> move forward.
>
> >
> > 7.    Do you want an IDNH So?
> >
>
> Yesterday and last year are toooooo late.
>
> >
> > 8.     Is staff doing a proper job?
> >
>
> They have had an opportunity to do it right but refuse.  I know it is a
> hard job but man they do it in a self interested way.  They get paid
> enough to serve us so I think they should.
>
> >
> > 9.    Is the BoD doing a proper job?
> >
>
> I have been around this tree with Karl - what is their job?
>
> >
> > 10.    Is the NC doing a proper job?
> >
>
> No absolutely not.  No excuses, they are most responsible for blocking
> the GA and bottoms up open and transparent consensus.  Can we recall
> them?
>
> >
> > Eric
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:36:35 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Watch Dog Committee

> >>>DNSO Secretariat is made of Glen de St Gery and of Philippe Renaut.

Could you advise, please, whether both are employees?  If so who are they
employed by, exactly?  And more to the point, who is their "boss"?

> >>>Watch dog committee is here to ensure a fair and 'outsourced' analysis of
problems which would occur and which DNSO Sec would not like to take
responsability for.

Whose opinion is that, may I ask?  Glen or Phillipe or both?

Perhaps you can also say why you need so many watch dogs?

> DNSO Sec.

Do you both review each other's emails?  Or can we assume that you
automatically agree with each other all the time?

Thanks for your input.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:52:12 +0100
From: DNSO Secretariat <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Watch Dog Committee

On 30 Nov, Patrick Corliss wrote :
> > >>>DNSO Secretariat is made of Glen de St Gery and of Philippe Renaut.
> 
> Could you advise, please, whether both are employees?  If so who are they
> employed by, exactly?  And more to the point, who is their "boss"?

DNSO Secretariat is contracted by ICANN. We are taking orders from the Names Council Chairman, Philip Sheppard.

> > >>>Watch dog committee is here to ensure a fair and 'outsourced' analysis of
> problems which would occur and which DNSO Sec would not like to take
> responsability for.
> 
> Whose opinion is that, may I ask?  Glen or Phillipe or both?

Both. Philippe is one l two p.

> 
> Perhaps you can also say why you need so many watch dogs?

This has been decided in the rules of the Secretariat by he Names COuncil and not by the Secretariat itself.

> > DNSO Sec.
> 
> Do you both review each other's emails?  Or can we assume that you
> automatically agree with each other all the time?

The DNSO Secretariat signature is used when the opinion has been reviewed by both.

> 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:26:46 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Being Accountable, Philip, Means Answering Questions

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:10:39 +1100, Patrick Corliss wrote:
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/msg00430.html

> Meanwhile, for the sake of clarification, could you advise whether the
number
> of task forces is limited to the seven currently in train or have others
been
> proposed ?  How will the Names Council select GA representation in the
absence
> of a formal nomination?
>
> As I have been unable to establish the Terms of Reference for all seven task
> forces, would you be so kind as to advise exactly what is being proposed in
> each case?
>
> Could you also advise who is authorised to post to the Names Council mailing
> list?  Do I, for example, still retain posting rights as the former
Alternate
> Chair?

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:07:39 +0100, Philip Sheppard replied:
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/msg00435.html

> thank you for your numerous questions.
>
> Please see my reply today on the TF transfers issue.
>
> Details of NC TF and participants can be found in the DNSO archives.

Hi Philip

At least some of the questions were quite simple and such that you could have
answered from the top of your head.  The first, for example, simply asked how
many task forces are planned?  The last was asking who had posting rights to
the Names Council mailing list?

You have clearly made no effort to be of even minimal assistance.

The meaty question related to the Terms of Reference for the Names Council
Task Forces.  You have said to see the "DNSO archives".

Of course, you are quite well aware that there are seven Task Forces each with
their own mailing list.  I have read every email on all seven mailing lists.
I have also read through the NC and GA mailing lists.  In fact, I have pointed
out exactly which Task Force Terms of Reference I have been able to locate.
On the GA mailing list, I wrote:

> Please also note that I have been only been able to identify a Terms of
Reference
> in three out of seven instances.

http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg03038.html

Now I have found that none of our representatives are in the least bit
accountable for their actions.  Very few deign to answer questions of any
sort.

And when they do they fudge the answers, lie and prevaricate.  You more than
most.

The sad fact is, Philip, that the Task Forces are a con designed to avoid
consensus and fast track the process in an underhanded and dishonest way.

Which is exactly what you are trying to cover up.

Patrick Corliss

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:43:46 -0500
From: "Ken Stubbs" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Objective of a GA member

those of you who know Rick know that he is an unbiased "straight shooter"
who calls it like it is.

what I see from his message is an honest appeal to the GA to "re-focus" and
get by all these personal insults and bickering from a person who sincerely
feels that something could be accomplished in this forum.

hopefully some of you will listen to him !

ken stubbs

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick H Wesson" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Objective of a GA member

>
> I think there is one question that was not asked that should have been,
>
>   11. Is the GA doing its job?
>
> IMNSHO, the GA could do great things, no matter what anyone else says. I
> see nothing but bickering from the GA; I hope the GA will stand and
> the interested will provide input into the process, no matter how broken
> ICANN is, when large groups of folks AGREE people listen; when a few loud
> mouths post alot of krap people just tune out and discount the entire GA.
>
> If you have ideas you want to see executed, collect the masses, write the
> documents; if you want to continue to disservice the GA post more krap.
>
> -rick
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Self serving I know to answer my own questions but otherwise cowardly,
> > please everyone answer so we can establish some values.
> >
> > Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > 1.    Why are you monitoring?
> > >
> >
> > I find it intriguing and enlightening.  Even when kicked off the list I
> > monitored and engaged off list.  I believe this is my children's' future
> > and my fathers present.
> >
> > >
> > > 2.    Why do you participate?
> > >
> >
> > Because I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but we have a place
> > also.  Man even my voice may impact some great person to do something
> > different.  And by the criticism I receive I learn
> >
> > >
> > > 3.    What do you expect of the GA?
> > >
> >
> > Be the guiding, (not governmental, not dictatorial, not ruling or
> > deciding) voice of common users of the Internet.
> >
> > >
> > > 4.    Name your four favorite GA participants.
> > >
> >
> > This is hard because I like so many and will forget a few.
> > Baptista-yes, Corliss, Berryhill, Kristy, Joanna, Namecritic, Joseph,
> > certainly Sotiris, Brett and Michael are in a group by themselves,
> > Flemming and Roberto.
> >
> > >
> > > 5.    Name your least favorite GA participants.
> > >
> >
> > Me, I post to much and don't get along with technocrats.
> >
> > >
> > > 6.    Are you in favor of the ALSC proposal?
> > >
> >
> > Humans versus DMNHs and 6 versus 9 should not be issues but I want to
> > move forward.
> >
> > >
> > > 7.    Do you want an IDNH So?
> > >
> >
> > Yesterday and last year are toooooo late.
> >
> > >
> > > 8.     Is staff doing a proper job?
> > >
> >
> > They have had an opportunity to do it right but refuse.  I know it is a
> > hard job but man they do it in a self interested way.  They get paid
> > enough to serve us so I think they should.
> >
> > >
> > > 9.    Is the BoD doing a proper job?
> > >
> >
> > I have been around this tree with Karl - what is their job?
> >
> > >
> > > 10.    Is the NC doing a proper job?
> > >
> >
> > No absolutely not.  No excuses, they are most responsible for blocking
> > the GA and bottoms up open and transparent consensus.  Can we recall
> > them?
> >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> >
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