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GA-DIGEST         Wednesday, November 28 2001         Volume 01 : Number 885

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:08:24 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN STAFF?

Will one person come forward and support the last years' actions of the
Staff.

If not can we work on a resolution of condemnation of their actions?

No we can not enforce it but before too long can we at least make it a
recorded fact.

Sincerely,
Eric

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:30:01 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] WHOIS and registered DNS servers: DNS nameservers  with domain names under ccTLDs unable to resolve domain names undergTLDs

Vany and all,

  Yes I understand that.  However isn't NCI/Versign one of the ICANN
Registries and registrars?  I believe it is.  As such it seems that perhaps
the follow up from the ICANN staff has been more than a little lax.
Hence in part my previous comments.

Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:

> Jeff:
>
> I don't blame ICANN staff since they reported me that they sent all the
> information we provided to NSI.
>
> I don't know what happened in NSI about our information to be updated.
>
> Best Regards
> Vany
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > Vany and all,
> >
> >   It think it is fairly clear that the ICANN staff folks do not know how
> > to make such changes properly and certainly not in a timely manner.
> > This if course as you nicely point out leads to another problem
> > as well that is very ferboding as well and also points out how
> > inept and the ICANN staff seems to be.
> >
> > Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> >
> > > Marc:
> > >
> > > I told you already that we, the AdCom notified to Randy about changes
> > > and then, naturally Randy proceed to delete us from his DNS server.  We
> > > though that NSI would update information veyr fast, but still doesn't
> > > answer regarding the update ICANN staff made.
> > >
> > > Forget for one minute about NCDNHC.ORG.  I am talking about a general
> > > problem.  Many Registrars automatically detect if the DNS you provided
> > > is valid or not.  For them, if they cannot find the hostname and the IP
> > > address under their WHOIS database (which only have information of the
> > > gTLDs), they simply won't let you to put such information.  Almost all
> > > Registrars has webinterfaces where you can
> > > manage your domain by means of an account, so this is not a problem.
> > >
> > > The ability to provide as DNS server which hostname is under a ccTLD to
> > > resolve a domain name under a gTLD, should be standarize and automatic
> > > and not something that offers certain Registrars as a feature.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Vany
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marc Schneiders wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, at 15:59 [=GMT-0500], Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And, in the meanwhile I am writting this, now I am begining to suspect
> > > > > why our domain NCDNHC.ORG has delayed a lot in being
> > > > > setted up with the new DNS server IP:  because the primary DNS server we
> > > > > provided is under a ccTLD.
> > > >
> > > > I cannot believe this. Two nameservers under .NL (see below). No problems
> > > > at all for the ORG I represent. True, the primary is under .NET. If this
> > > > would be the problem for the non working dns for ncdnhc.org, I would guess
> > > > that [email-masked] (the responsible admin contact) could solve it.
> > > > Certainly it would _not_ explain why the dns was deleted on the
> > > > nameservers that were and are in the ORG zone before the new one is
> > > > working... Also I _know_ that any registrar can add a ccTLD nameserver for
> > > > use with com/net/org names. I would think that the mother of all
> > > > registrars, NetSol, where ncdnhc.org is registered, could do the same. If
> > > > not, I suggest transferring the domain to Tucows/OpenSRS, which does the
> > > > trick in one or two days. Really. And it also gives you management of the
> > > > dns over a webinterface.
> > > >
> > > > fuchsia:marc {529} dig vanhamel.org. ns @a.gtld-servers.net
> > > >
> > > > ; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> vanhamel.org. ns @a.gtld-servers.net
> > > > ; (1 server found)
> > > > ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
> > > > ;; got answer:
> > > > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6
> > > > ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
> > > > ;; QUERY SECTION:
> > > > ;;      vanhamel.org, type = NS, class = IN
> > > >
> > > > ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> > > > vanhamel.org.           2D IN NS        PAN.BIJT.NET.
> > > > vanhamel.org.           2D IN NS        NS2.SECONDARY.NL.
> > > > vanhamel.org.           2D IN NS        NS2.GLOBALXS.NL.
> > > >
> > > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> > > > PAN.BIJT.NET.           2D IN A         213.196.2.97
> > > >
> > > > ;; Total query time: 114 msec
> > > > ;; FROM: fuchsia.bijt.net to SERVER: a.gtld-servers.net  192.5.6.30
> > > > ;; WHEN: Wed Nov 28 01:55:42 2001
> > > > ;; MSG SIZE  sent: 30  rcvd: 129
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales, BSEE
> > > Information Technology Specialist
> > > Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> > > Member of the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency
> > > Tel: (507) 317-0169
> > > http://www.sdnp.org.pa
> > > e-mail:  [email-masked]
> > >
> > > Are you a Non-Commercial organization and have a domain name?
> > > Join the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency, ncdnhc.icann-ncc.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > [email-masked]
> > > http://www.icann-ncc.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
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> > E-Mail [email-masked]
> > Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
>
> --
> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales, BSEE
> Information Technology Specialist
> Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> Member of the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency
> Tel: (507) 317-0169
> http://www.sdnp.org.pa
> e-mail:  [email-masked]
>
> Are you a Non-Commercial organization and have a domain name?
> Join the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency, ncdnhc.icann-ncc.org

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:27:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Sanjeev Goyal <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Afilias's Secret Policy Changes

Dear friends,
This matter should be promptly displayed at front page of Afilias site
but they failed to do so ? Why?......

Afilias SUNRISE POLICY Revived.
The registry for .info domains, Afilias is changing its look and seems
to make themselves clean with new Sunrise Policy and Rules. According
to new policy which declares on 20 November, 2001 says - "Afilias’
revised Sunrise Challenge rules and policies will require all
successful Sunrise Challengers who wish to register a disputed name
will be required to produce proof of trademark ownership prior to
transfer of the name. This step will help ensure that only a valid
trademark holder has the opportunity to register a disputed Sunrise
name." A good move to ensure to keep domain squatter at bay. And it
also declares that a process that will enable registrars to make
corrections to data that they may have incorrectly submitted during the
Sunrise registration period. Several registrars failed to correctly
submit vital trademark data given to them by trademark owners. This
correction process includes the creation of a database that will
parallel the existing .INFO WHOIS. Since the WHOIS records for Sunrise
names are currently locked and cannot be changed in the registry, the
registrars will submit corrected data to this parallel database.
Afilias will make a bulk challenge of many invalid Sunrise
registrations at the close of the Sunrise Challenge period on December
26, 2001. The correction process is therefore designed to protect valid
registrations and prevent Sunrise squatters from submitting updates
that could shield them from challenges. This indeed a great move as to
make themselves clean. But this great changes should promptly displayed
on the front page of Afilias site but they failed to do so.

Sanjeev Goyal.
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:40:28 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN STAFF?

Eric and all assembly members,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Will one person come forward and support the last years' actions of the
> Staff.

  I wouldn't.

>
>
> If not can we work on a resolution of condemnation of their actions?

  This has already been done several times.

>
>
> No we can not enforce it but before too long can we at least make it a
> recorded fact.

  Already is.  It was ignored of course by the ICANN staff and BoD.
Next?

>
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:11:27 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Names Council Task Forces

Jeff,

The brutal attacks when someone throws up an idea in this forum
requires work off of the list first. Plain and simple.

Besides this is just an Assembly as you are so want to point out.

There are people on this list that attack anything and everything
posted.
It is like they have no other life.  As I had to move my Internet cafe'
concept off list and develop it separately I certainly appreciate anyone
else having to develop off list.

You constantly refer to a voting mechanism which you constantly say
does not exist because of a bad Secretariat, and you attack all hope
of resolving this issue.

Perhaps those of us who actually have concrete plans to improve the
structures should just get out of the GA so that Jeff can be sure to
create a perfect structure that accomplishes nothing.

I am weak at arguing with you jeff you attack all positive and offer
nothing.

You are a spokesman for a large group?  A group that insists the GA does
not function?

Weird!

You will respond but I shall not.

Eric

Jeff William's wrote:

> Partick and all assembly members,
>
>   It seems that this is being done very much out of site of the
> GA members until today.  Thank you Patrick for bringing this
> to the GA members attention.
>
>   It would seem that Joanna and Marylyn Cade are collaborating
> in private or at least out ot the public view pretty much to
> "Appoint" Joanna to be the suggested representative.  This of course
> would never be accepted if done in this manner but the GA members
> and would require for legitimacy, the vote or the GA members before
> it would be accepted, as well as other potential candidates for the
> GA members to consider.
>
> Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> > Hi Joanna
> >
> > I refer to my recent GA email addressed to you at:
> > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg03142.html
> >
> > Philip Sheppard has since respended to your own posting:
> > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/msg00428.html
> >
> > I have now raised some relevant issues on the Council list:
> > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/msg00430.html
> >
> > Regards
> > Patrick Corliss
> >
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:37:52 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Names Council Task Forces

Eric and all assembly members,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> The brutal attacks when someone throws up an idea in this forum
> requires work off of the list first. Plain and simple.

  What "Brutal" attacks are you talking about?  I know of none that
I have made.

>
>
> Besides this is just an Assembly as you are so want to point out.

  Not "Just" and assembly but the DNSO General Assembly.

>
>
> There are people on this list that attack anything and everything
> posted.

  Yes there are some.  But very few of the total.

>
> It is like they have no other life.

  How would anyone know such a thing?  I know I don't.  How do you?

>  As I had to move my Internet cafe'
> concept off list and develop it separately I certainly appreciate anyone
> else having to develop off list.

  Your point is?  Is your "Internet Cafe" an ICANN related function?

>
>
> You constantly refer to a voting mechanism which you constantly say
> does not exist because of a bad Secretariat, and you attack all hope
> of resolving this issue.

  I never said that the DNSO GA voting mechanism doesn't exist.  It
most certainly does.  See: http://www.dnso.org/secretariat/rosterindex.html
and other associated links from that URL as well.

  Yes there have been problems getting the secretariat to provide
a ballot on Motions that have been made and seconded.  This
is not to say as YOU claim Eric, that the DNSO GA voting
mechanism doesn't exist.  It most certainly does.

>
>
> Perhaps those of us who actually have concrete plans to improve the
> structures should just get out of the GA so that Jeff can be sure to
> create a perfect structure that accomplishes nothing.

  Of course perfection is not possible.  But a process for dealing with
issues does exist and is in place.  It is part of the DNSO GA members
desire and requirement.  To attempt to circumvent it for DNSO GA
issues or process is disenfranchising the DNSO GA members.

>
>
> I am weak at arguing with you jeff you attack all positive and offer
> nothing.

  I offered what we already have.  You wish to circumvent the already
existing and used process for members to Vote on issues, TF members,
TF creation, Chair elections, and other nondescript or determined
projects.

>
>
> You are a spokesman for a large group?  A group that insists the GA does
> not function?

  No I am not a spokesman for the At-Large at all.

>
>
> Weird!

  Yes your claim is weird!  :(

>
>
> You will respond but I shall not.

  Of course.  And you may do as you choose.

>
>
> Eric
>
> Jeff William's wrote:
>
> > Partick and all assembly members,
> >
> >   It seems that this is being done very much out of site of the
> > GA members until today.  Thank you Patrick for bringing this
> > to the GA members attention.
> >
> >   It would seem that Joanna and Marylyn Cade are collaborating
> > in private or at least out ot the public view pretty much to
> > "Appoint" Joanna to be the suggested representative.  This of course
> > would never be accepted if done in this manner but the GA members
> > and would require for legitimacy, the vote or the GA members before
> > it would be accepted, as well as other potential candidates for the
> > GA members to consider.
> >
> > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Joanna
> > >
> > > I refer to my recent GA email addressed to you at:
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc08/msg03142.html
> > >
> > > Philip Sheppard has since respended to your own posting:
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/msg00428.html
> > >
> > > I have now raised some relevant issues on the Council list:
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/msg00430.html
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Patrick Corliss
> > >
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:11:05 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [DNS] Posting articles to this list

On Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:23:03 +0800, Kim Davies wrote:

> Please cite articles rather than cutting and pasting the whole article
> to this list.
> 
> Legalities aside, a number of sites rely on advertising revenue to
> produce their stories, so if they are good enough to reproduce here then
> you should only quote a paragraph or two as appropriate and provide the
> URL to the complete story.

Hi Kim

I don't know why I did that in this case, I usually do what you suggest.

Thoughtless of me, sorry.

Best regards
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:10:37 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [DNS] Posting articles to this list

Patrick and all assembly members,

  Ok than how come you didn't correct this in your response to Kim
here Patrick?  Kinda odd...

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> On Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:23:03 +0800, Kim Davies wrote:
>
> > Please cite articles rather than cutting and pasting the whole article
> > to this list.
> >
> > Legalities aside, a number of sites rely on advertising revenue to
> > produce their stories, so if they are good enough to reproduce here then
> > you should only quote a paragraph or two as appropriate and provide the
> > URL to the complete story.
>
> Hi Kim
>
> I don't know why I did that in this case, I usually do what you suggest.
>
> Thoughtless of me, sorry.
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:11:51 +0100
From: "Pascal Bernhard - cube" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN STAFF?

Eric and all, 

On 27 Nov 2001, at 20:08, Eric Dierker wrote: 

> If not can we work on a resolution of condemnation of their actions?
> 
> No we can not enforce it but before too long can we at least make it a
> recorded fact.

Now I know that the DNSO is a constituency of the ICANN and that 
this list the GA of the DNSO is. But I would like you to consider the 
following: it is obviously very difficult to be heard by the ICANN staff. 
It is so difficult, that I believe the ICANN staff does nto want to hear 
anything coming from outside of the inner circle. 

For my sake, let the ICANN people do what they wand, because 
they will anyway. This underlines the necessity of raising a totally 
new organization on a real self-regulating basis. Some efforts have 
been made in that direction (think about TLDA or RSCAC). 

I consider the ICANN as a TLD-managing organization, which doesn't 
whant to take other thinks in consideration, as what they want. So 
the ICANN has no customers and looks almost like an 
administration. It could be a sufficient solution for the US, but not for 
the rest of the world. 

I tend to look at the ICANN as one or the first of a bunch of 
organizations sharing the . namespace. Let's make constructive 
proposals, which give other people more influence on the internet and 
let the ICANN do their business as usual. 

Regards, 
Pascal 

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:39:15 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [DNS] Posting articles to this list

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:10:37 -0800, Jeff Williams wrote:

>   Ok than how come you didn't correct this in your response to Kim
> here Patrick?  Kinda odd...

Hi Jeff

My reponse to Kim was sent to the wrong mailing list.  Double sorry.

Regards
Patrick Corliss

> Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> > On Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:23:03 +0800, Kim Davies wrote:
> >
> > > Please cite articles rather than cutting and pasting the whole article
> > > to this list.
> > >
> > > Legalities aside, a number of sites rely on advertising revenue to
> > > produce their stories, so if they are good enough to reproduce here then
> > > you should only quote a paragraph or two as appropriate and provide the
> > > URL to the complete story.
> >
> > Hi Kim
> >
> > I don't know why I did that in this case, I usually do what you suggest.
> >
> > Thoughtless of me, sorry.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Patrick Corliss

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:53:34 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Names Council Task Forces

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:49:54 +1100, "Patrick Corliss"
<[email-masked]> wrote:

>(3)    How is it that you have secured posting rights to the Names Council
>mailing list?  I thought membership was tightly controlled.   Or is it that
>all task force members have been given these privileges?

This was addressed to Joanna but I may be able to assist here.  Unless
it has changed in the last few days my understanding has been that
anyone at all can post to NC e-mail list.  In the archives are many
e-mails from non NC members.

DPF
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:16:36 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Watch Dog Committee:  Request New Members

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:22:09 -0600, [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
wrote:

>We request the Watch Dog Committee for DNSO General Assembly (GA) Elections 
>be updated with members of the GA who are not employed by or otherwise 
>participating in DNSO/ICANN activities.

Can you post who the current members are so we can suggest additional
ones to complement them.

DPF
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:40:46 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Objective of a GA member

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:37:14 -0800, Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>1.    Why are you monitoring?

To keep informed about ICANN and DNSO issues.

>2.    Why do you participate?

When I think I have something worthwhile to say which may be of
interest or influence others.

>3.    What do you expect of the GA?

If nothing else it is the only official ICANN e-mail forum where any
ICANN issue can be discussed by anyone.  That is a hugely valuable
role.

It can function effectively on some issues.  I think the GA was at its
best during the Verisign contract changes debate as we had lots of
people contributing from different constituencies.

It suffers from the fact it tends to be the de facto individual's
constituency and when we do get an Individual Registrant's
constituency the GA may be better placed to focus on being the place
where all the constituencies can come together to discuss issues.

>4.    Name your four favorite GA participants.

Not sure if I would say they are favourites but Jon W and Bret Fausett
I always read and find hard to disagree with.  And even though I
rarely agree with him I always follow Kent Crispin's contributions -
one can have a good debate with Kent and explore issues.  Likewise
from Chuck Gomes. Marc Schneiders is always also a good read and there
are a few others like that.

>5.    Name your least favorite GA participants.

Wouldn't be productive to state this.

>6.    Are you in favor of the ALSC proposal?

Parts of it yes but the reduction from nine to six no and the probably
introduction of such high fees as to wipe out 95% of current members
not at all.  Less than convinced too about restricting it to domain
name admin contacts only.

>7.    Do you want an IDNH So?

I am 100% in support of an IDNH constituency in the DNSO.

>8.     Is staff doing a proper job?

In any voluntary society the staff end up being hugely influential and
important.  I know because I have been staff myself.

However in ICANN I do feel that rather too much delegated authority
exists and the Board does not drive the agenda enough.  For this I
blame the Board not the staff, who I am sure work hard in the best
interest of ICANN as they perceive it.  If the staff have too much
power it is because the Board lets them.

>9.    Is the BoD doing a proper job?

No.  Approving non existent minutes was merely a symptom of the
problem.  Approving the changes to the Verisign contracts against the
advice of the DNSO was wrong.  Allowing GAC to make policy which
over-rules the DNSO is wrong.  Allowing the staff to blackmail ccTLDs
into signing contracts (on the basis of no changes to current root
zone info) is wrong.  It is insane that the IANA database shows the
.nz manager as being located in a building it left a year or so ago
and showing the technical contract as the organisation which hasn't
been it for 18 months.

>10.    Is the NC doing a proper job?

No.  It is pretty much ignored by the Board and staff.  The NC to be
fair does seem to have got better of late and has been trying to
assert its authority in areas like excluding country names from .info
but a long way to go.

DPF
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:49:37 +1100
From: "McMeikan, Andrew" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Consensus & Names Council Task Forces

Is not a person a legal entity?  After all in the end someone has to be held
to account regardless of how you wrap it in legalities.

for the IC fund, that is 100% controlled by me and any mismanagement would
be blamed on me, so far half of whats in there is from me the other half is
from an outside donation.  This fund is for individualls getting a voice and
establishment of an individuals constituency.  Until a 'consensus' of what
that is and what the rules governing its use is then it rests with me.

I see know problem in someone setting up an account for the ga and running
it, just declare a position of tresurer, elect someone who is prepared to
take that responsibility and trust.  Even draw up rules on use.  Any extra
legal fiction of a 'trust' account or an incorporated body does not stop
someone from nicking the loot, might even make it easier, certainly adds
extra cost.

People who want to spend a fortune establishing complicated setups to do a
simple thing usually do so because they don't want to be held to account and
want a 'system' to blame.  or to buy a plush leather seat to sit in while
writting cheques.

My neck is only on the line so far to the point of a couple of pizzas worth,
but the principle still applies http://www.individual-domain.org or
something like it, is going to need every scrap of money it can get.  If
someone asks me for the funds I hold and its use betters individuals voices,
then it gets used, I go with whatever the consensus is.  The buck stops with
me!  If anyone cares to draw up rules that shold bind its use and those
rules get wide acceptance then those rules will govern its use.  This all
has to be done regardless of if its someones pocket, personal account or a
corporate account.  But someone still has to stick their neck out and take
responsibility.

Roland if you have doubts about what it is going to be used for, then help
prepare a 'funds use' document.  Even if you make a pledge of $x for
y-purpose at least people know that something can be possible because the
funds will be there. http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=313216 shows
how much can be in the mail today if someone feels a pizza is vital to
getting the job done ;)

I also have more money personally, but since I spend on things in my life
that amount goes up and down, what is in the IC fund, while under my control
is not for my personal benifit.

Maybe no one will give much until lots of documents and organisations and
elected purse bearers exist, but if someone does have a couple of bucks to
set aside then at least there is a way to do so.  Perhaps you can do better,
certainly with three years of questing over this you must have some pretty
good ideas, maybe even thought about establishing a trust yourself?  If you
have something better and publicly accept the task, I see no reason not to
send it to you (does anyone object?).

Help me out here, I just want to see some progress.

	cya,	Andrew...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:15 PM
To: 'McMeikan, Andrew'; 'Joop Teernstra'; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [ga] Consensus & Names Council Task Forces

This might even work if;
1 There was a legal entity to trak this to
2 The bank (preferably trust) account was tracable to this legal entity
3 we could review the bylaws of this legal entity

Otherwise, it's someone's personal account for all we know. How do we know
that the mony's getting to where we think it's going, for the uses intended?

For three years I've asked this question from every nacent organization. I
made an issue of it with the IDNO and I've recently mentioned it to the TLDA
(the TLDA has such account). The TLDA is much more likely to get my
financial support than some unknown account that isn't tracable to an
organization, that guarantees use of funds.

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: McMeikan, Andrew [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:45 PM
|> To: 'Joop Teernstra'; [email-masked]
|> Cc: [email-masked]
|> Subject: RE: [ga] Consensus & Names Council Task Forces
|> 
|> 
|> If any individual feels that they wish to contribute or put 
|> some money in
|> 'the hat' to be used by an Individuals Constituancy, here is 
|> where the hat
|> is
|> http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=313216
|> 
|> to put your bit in http://two-cents-worth.com/?313216&EG
|> 
|> If your dying to show support and for whatever reason don't 
|> use e-gold then
|> paypal to me at [email-masked] and once cleared I will 
|> put it in
|> (minus paypals cut).
|> 
|> While I don't think that Individuals should have to cough up 
|> lots of money
|> to have a voice, I think that having a slush fund to get 
|> that voice heard
|> better is a good idea.
|> 
|> I think that a similar fund for the GA should exist, but 
|> thats better left
|> to someone else as I have a very strong individualistic bias ;)
|> 
|> 	cya,	Andrew...

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