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GA-DIGEST         Thursday, November 15 2001         Volume 01 : Number 851

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:04:07 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] my apology

There is no easy way to offer my apology by consensus to
Eric Dierker.  When so many raise the cry against one, they
must be right... right?  Vox populi vox dei for all those
who subscribe (including the ICANN BoD, I guess).  So, with
that in mind,  will the GA Chairman Danny Younger be pleased
to request that my words against Eric Dierker on this List's
archive be stricken from the public record by the DNSO
Secretariat.  Eric, though you have obtained this apology
there's something I want you to know:  I am an Individual.
You, as an individual volitional entity, can propose
whatever you like to whomever you please.  But, don't for
one moment believe or express the idea that you can speak
for me as an Individual.  As you can see, I'm pretty capable
of doing that for myself.  Your references to the
Individuals of developing countries and their plight is
important to you as an individual - but you don't speak for
them either - most certainly NOT as Individuals.  You do not
have that right.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
                   Individual

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:20:30 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Mr. Qaddafi Salutes Verisign

on 11/14/01 11:46 PM, Andy Gardner at [email-masked] wrote:

> At 3:59 PM +1300 15/11/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>> At 21:41 14/11/01 -0400, Joanna Lane wrote:
>> 
>>> This kind of input on the list is very welcome. I'm compiling a list of
>>> relevant sites to forward to the BoD for attention. More please.
>> 
>> For the BoD's attention?
>> (mission creep anyone?)
>> 
>> Isn't this a strictly US law enforcement issue?
> 
> Ah, but it'd be a great bit of flag-waving PR for ICANN.
> 
> Don't worry about NAF completely ignoring the UDRP rules.
> 
> Don't worry about Registrars holding names to ransom in an attempt to
> maintain market share.
> 
> Don't worry about reversing our mandate and handing Verisign back its
> stranglehold.
> 
> Nah. Write those problems out of our contracts. Not ICANN's responsibility.
> 
> But hey! Yeah! This'll give us some brownie points with Joe Average US
> Citizen!
> 
> We'll be heroes!
> 
> Barf.

I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking ICANN has jumped all over this as
part of their flag waving session. On the contrary, it has been trying to
avoid the issue. The responses both in Lynn's press conference on Thursday
last week and in Tuesday's session at MdR were somewhat flippant to say the
least, not only attempting to sidestep the issue, but also ridiculing the
questions. I guess you're not in New York, or you would not be so quick to
dismiss the act of helping terrorist nations to use the DNS to broadcast
live TV programmes as relatively unimportant. There is nothing heroic about
any of this.  

I fully appreciate that this is a difficult topic because it has freedom of
speech implications, but we don't have much of a choice. There are people
trying to kill us and the first line of defense for the internet community
is to stop Registrars selling them Domain Names. There's very little point
in the government asking the TV networks like CNN to stop transmitting live
video from Al Jazeera because they may contain embedded messages for
terrorist cells in the US, if all the time, any number of websites are
streaming the same stuff over the net.

The other issues you mention are important to me also, but the failure of
the internet industry as a whole to address this issue can only add to the
possibility of more catastrophic loss of life, whereas the others cannot.

For a start, what would it take to run a spider over the WHOIS databases and
identify all the domain names registered to embargoed countries?

Regards,
Joanna

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:47:11 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Fw: [ga] Mr. Qaddafi Salutes Verisign

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:41:24 -0400, Joanna Lane wrote:

> This kind of input on the list is very welcome. I'm compiling a list of
> relevant sites to forward to the BoD for attention. More please.

Hi Joanna

I get confused at the shifting sands here.  I thought you were friends with
Eric Dierker who is a dotcommoner in support of developing third world
countries being ruthlessly exploited by the West (with a capital "W").  Or
perhaps now that Sotiris has fallen out with Eric you have changed sides.

Libya, of course, is a harmless country who has minded its own business
since it had the shit bombed out of it by the United States a few years ago.
In fact, I didn't even realise it was the subject of sanctions.

That, I thought, applied to the boogeyman, Sadam Hussain. who really does
kill people and drive them out of his country to Iranian refugee camps from
where they make their way to Australia via Indonesia.

That's the great thing with "mission creep", we can talk about anything:
sex, drugs, politics or even religion.

Hey Dr Joe Baptista, where are ya !!!

And I'm not sure that a domain name might not fall within the spirit of
"information" that they are allowed to have.  At least it is conducive to an
information channel.  Which, of course, is needed to inform those silly
Libyans that their leader is a drug induced halfwit.

Regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:52:35 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Apology

LOL William !!  That's a joke, right ??

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Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Apology

> Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 6:21:22 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> > Show that you are man enough to do what the habitual ad hominem
attackers
> > here cannot.
>
> Yes, I'm still waiting for your apologies for the numerous times you
> have engaged in that.
>
> Absent that, this is nothing but hypocritical garbage from you.
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:07:00 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Just a Discussion List

Hi Joop

> Moderation of this list is, alas, no longer taking place, for reasons that
> Kristy has outlined so well.
> This *needs* to be addressed.

I propose a motion (which will be ignored like my last one) that:

Whereas the GA is a farce,
Whereas there is no Alternate Chair,
Whereas there is no funding to attend ICANN meetings,
Whereas motions are ignored by the Chair,
Whereas there is no proper voting system,
Wheras List Monitoring is nonexistent,
Whereas the Sub Lists are neither used or useful,
Whereas the Chair has cut short agendas,
Whereas the NC has lost the plot,
Whereas there is no democracy in the ICANN Board,
Whereas ICANN itself is captured by vested interests,
Whereas there is no possible way of achieving consensus,
Whereas the DNSO Secretariat ignores the GA,
Wheras there is no system for proper procedures in the GA,

THAT the GA declare that it is just a DNS discussion list.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:18:20 -0800
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Mr. Qaddafi Salutes Verisign

Joanna Lane wrote:

> on 11/14/01 10:28 AM, John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D. at [email-masked]
> wrote:
>
> > The relevant Libyan Sanctions Regulation are at 31 CFR 550 et seq.
> >
> > [ whois.networksolutions.com ]
> >
> > Registrant:
> > Libya Telecom & Technology (LTTMAIL4-DOM)
> > That El-Imad 3rd tower 1st floor
> > Tripoli, Tripoli 91216
> > LY
> >
> > Domain Name: LTTMAIL.COM
> >
> > Administrative Contact:
> > Al-Toboly, Nasir  (NA3513)  [email-masked]
> > Libya Telecom and Technology
> > That El-Emad Complex, 3rd tower 1st floor
> > Tripoli, Tripoli 91612
> > LY
> > (218) 21 3350831 (FAX) (218) 21 3350832
> >
> This kind of input on the list is very welcome. I'm compiling a list of
> relevant sites to forward to the BoD for attention. More please.
>
> Regards,
> Joanna
>

BoD? ICANN, SCHMICANN. I'm shipping these to the Feds:

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

That gets Verisign for the hosting, MSN for the hotmail, and let's see, . . .

War is hell.

Bill Lovell

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:19:29 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] my penance

For me, the biggest drawback in the ICANN to date is the
lack of definition in its nomenclature (and I don't mean the
acronyms), process, and mission.  Many of you know I have
been continually (albeit periodically) raving about the
definition of  "domain names".  [But I'll return to it
another time]

Take the example of the ALSC buzzphrase "Internet User".
What exactly does this mean?  In the broadest possible sense
it means everyone from the Big Corporations to my friend
Theo- who downloads music and videos (and couldn't care less
who was in charge as long as the whole damned thing
worked).  The Big Corporations, along with Small Business
and business minded *Individuals*, view the Internet as a
source of income, *one which requires an investment*.  On
the other hand, Internet Users like my friend Theo (who is a
carpenter by trade), do very little investing *in* the
Internet  ( not *through* the Internet).  This difference is
crucial in understanding what those (i.e. the Big
Corporations, Small Businesses and business minded
*Individuals*) who have invested *in* the Internet would
like to think are the actual "Internet Users"; as they
consider themselves "Internet Developers".  Of course, there
are distinctions drawn even among (and between) this
business minded bunch of self-proclaimed Internet
Developers.  Most especially when it comes to matters of
"ownership" of Intellectual Property on the Web.
Ultimately, everything comes right back to this issue of
Intellectual Property.  The moment IP concerns were
introduced (and favoured) on the networks of the world, that
was the moment property rights as POLITICAL franchise were
introduced to the Web.  But a franchise for whom?  Is (or
should it be) a franchise for some nebulous indefinite
"community"?  Is it a narrow community as envisioned by Big
Business, or as wide as every individual on the planet?

Politics requires a choice.  You either choose to
participate, or you don't. There are qualifications for
participation in politics, and subscription is voluntary.  A
"stake" in the Internet does not mean that the very simple
fact that one exists entitles him/her in any way with
respect to the Internet.  To confer membership without some
kind of qualification is worse than disaster.  To limit
membership in the extreme is equally undesirable.  Somewhere
between Big Business and my friend Theo are people like
myself.  When enough of us get it together we will be more
than capable members of the "community" we helped to enlarge
and widen.  Individual Domain Name Owners/Registrants are
the Middle Class of the Internet Community as a whole, and
we want part of the franchise.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
                Individual

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:36:21 -0800
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Mr. Qaddafi Salutes Verisign

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 21:41 14/11/01 -0400, Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> >This kind of input on the list is very welcome. I'm compiling a list of
> >relevant sites to forward to the BoD for attention. More please.
>
> For the BoD's attention?
> (mission creep anyone?)
>
> Isn't this a strictly US law enforcement issue?

Not if you're a U. S. citizen, it isn't.  Some 5,000 people dead
and Joop wants to address mission creep?  The War on Terror
has many dimensions, and they include internet security, with
which ICANN has lately decided to concern itself.

I think that the beatings I took when I gave a virus alert some
time before Sept. 11 might be a bit subdued now -- or one
would certainly hope so. Internet security is the concern of
all of us, and if there were to occur massive denials of service,
viruses and all the rest to blow the Internet all to bits, guess from
what domains they would most likely arise? For the slow-witted,
these would be from officially terrorist designated countries, or
patsies therefor, whose domains are presently being hosted,
given email service, etc., etc., by U. S. companies.  That's
what these laws, and ICANN's own internet security bit, ought
to be all about.

Verisign, register.com and the like provide the web hosting, MSN
provides the hotmail, etc., etc. These companies better get rid
of their terrorist ties.

register.com just registered baraco.com, "Baraco Co." being
an a.k.a. for Al-Barakaat International.  There's no content
there yet, and this baraco.com may be an innocent third party
with an unfortunate name, but it will be interesting to find out.

Bill Lovell

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:43:13 -0800
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Just a Discussion List

Hey, I'll second that!

Bill Lovell

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> Hi Joop
>
> > Moderation of this list is, alas, no longer taking place, for reasons that
> > Kristy has outlined so well.
> > This *needs* to be addressed.
>
> I propose a motion (which will be ignored like my last one) that:
>
> Whereas the GA is a farce,
> Whereas there is no Alternate Chair,
> Whereas there is no funding to attend ICANN meetings,
> Whereas motions are ignored by the Chair,
> Whereas there is no proper voting system,
> Wheras List Monitoring is nonexistent,
> Whereas the Sub Lists are neither used or useful,
> Whereas the Chair has cut short agendas,
> Whereas the NC has lost the plot,
> Whereas there is no democracy in the ICANN Board,
> Whereas ICANN itself is captured by vested interests,
> Whereas there is no possible way of achieving consensus,
> Whereas the DNSO Secretariat ignores the GA,
> Wheras there is no system for proper procedures in the GA,
>
> THAT the GA declare that it is just a DNS discussion list.
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
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The URLs for Best Practices:
DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA." This
page also includes much else about the DNSO.)
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires the Adobe Acrobat Reader,
available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
Part III:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-PartIII.html

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:01:06 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Your apology is unecessary Sotiris was:Re: [ga] my apology

Sotiris and all assembly members,

  Sotiris, you did not need nor did you owe Eric and apology for
anything.
You are quite right that Eric does not represent any  of what he
calls "Dotcommers".  He does not as far as I can tell.  Now he may
represent some of his Vietnamese shoeshine boys in Vietnam under the
.VN ccTLD as third level domain name holders.  However I have
my staff looking into the registered "Shoeshine boys" presently
in the Republic of Vietnam.  Thus far, none are known to have
domain names or are user/stakeholders.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> There is no easy way to offer my apology by consensus to
> Eric Dierker.  When so many raise the cry against one, they
> must be right... right?  Vox populi vox dei for all those
> who subscribe (including the ICANN BoD, I guess).  So, with
> that in mind,  will the GA Chairman Danny Younger be pleased
> to request that my words against Eric Dierker on this List's
> archive be stricken from the public record by the DNSO
> Secretariat.  Eric, though you have obtained this apology
> there's something I want you to know:  I am an Individual.
> You, as an individual volitional entity, can propose
> whatever you like to whomever you please.  But, don't for
> one moment believe or express the idea that you can speak
> for me as an Individual.  As you can see, I'm pretty capable
> of doing that for myself.  Your references to the
> Individuals of developing countries and their plight is
> important to you as an individual - but you don't speak for
> them either - most certainly NOT as Individuals.  You do not
> have that right.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>                    Individual
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:18:35 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Just a Discussion List?

Patrick and all assembly members,

  I respectfully disagree with a few of your assessments below.
(See below)

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> Hi Joop
>
> > Moderation of this list is, alas, no longer taking place, for reasons that
> > Kristy has outlined so well.
> > This *needs* to be addressed.
>
> I propose a motion (which will be ignored like my last one) that:
>
> Whereas the GA is a farce,

  No it is not really.  I has been made many times to be disjointed
however.

>
> Whereas there is no Alternate Chair,ntil the next schedu

  You resigned due to poor health as I recall.  We the assembly members
decided an Alt chair is not needed until the next scheduled.

>
> Whereas there is no funding to attend ICANN meetings,

  Eric Dierker took on that responsibility and tried to pass it on to me.
I declined.  He than said that Peter Denge-Thrush was taking over that
function.  We are awaiting Eric's and Peters progress report as Eric
promised.

>
> Whereas motions are ignored by the Chair,

  Three motions have been voted upon.  They have been passed onto the
NC.  They should be than passed onto the ICANN BoD.

>
> Whereas there is no proper voting system,

  Yes there is.  It need improvement but it exists and has worked
fairly well.

>
> Wheras List Monitoring is nonexistent,

  Yes it does.  It is in place and working pretty well.  They should not
be overbearing however.

>
> Whereas the Sub Lists are neither used or useful,

  True.

>
> Whereas the Chair has cut short agendas,

  True

>
> Whereas the NC has lost the plot,

True

>
> Whereas there is no democracy in the ICANN Board,

 True

>
> Whereas ICANN itself is captured by vested interests,

True for the most part.

>
> Whereas there is no possible way of achieving consensus,

Not true.  There are a number of possible ways of achieving
consensus.  However the ICANN BoD and staff as well as the
NC are not willing to do so by vote.

>
> Whereas the DNSO Secretariat ignores the GA,

  Not always.  But this does seem to be a problem from time to time.
The DNSO GA needs a full time paid Secretariat.

>
> Wheras there is no system for proper procedures in the GA,

Yes there is.  And it works but not all that well.  The List illegitimate
list rules need modifying.

>
>
> THAT the GA declare that it is just a DNS discussion list.

  No, that would be a very bad idea.  It is an assembly.  Perhaps
you are not all that familiar with how and assembly often operates?

>
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:46:50 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Osama waves hello?! Taliban.org -  One of Erics supposed "Dotcommers"

All assembly members,

  FYI from Whois:  Is this for real or is it just another of the WHOIS
Database messes?  You decide...  ROFLMAO!

Here is what this site calls the Osma "Message of the day".
see link at: http://taliban.org/Osama's%20mow%2010-29.htm

"To:  All Suicide Bombers

From: Usama bin-Laden

RE: Available Virgins

Please note that since leaving the Presidency, former American President
Clinton has driven down the population of virgins.  We had hoped for the
opposite to happen.

As a result, a suicide bomber should expect to receive only 35 virgins
in Paradise, rather than the previously promised 70.

We regret this.

Happy Jihading,

Usama "

 Domain name: taliban.org

 Registrant:
    Taliban
    Usama bin-Laden   ([email-masked])
    (800) 426-4255
    FAX: none
    1 Dark Cave
    Kabul,  Ou812
    AF

 Administrative:
    Taliban
    Usama bin-Laden   ([email-masked])
    (800) 426-4255
    FAX: none
    1 Dark Cave
    Kabul,  Ou812
    AF

 Billing:
    Taliban
    Usama bin-Laden   ([email-masked])
    (800) 426-4255
    FAX: none
    1 Dark Cave
    Kabul,  Ou812
    AF

 Technical:
    Taliban
    Usama bin-Laden   ([email-masked])
    (800) 426-4255
    FAX: none
    1 Dark Cave
    Kabul,  Ou812
    AF

 DOMAIN CREATED : 2001-10-31 00:00:00
 DOMAIN EXPIRES : 2002-10-31 00:00:00

 NAMESERVERS:
     ns8.san.yahoo.com
     ns9.san.yahoo.com

Regards,

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:30:56 +0800
From: Joseph <[email-masked]>
Subject: FW: [ga] my apology

Hi Sotiris,
	This is a respectable and honorable action. cheers.

regards,
- - Joseph
===============

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From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Sotiris
Sotiropoulos
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 5:04 PM
To: ga
Subject: [ga] my apology

There is no easy way to offer my apology by consensus to
Eric Dierker.  When so many raise the cry against one, they
must be right... right?  Vox populi vox dei for all those
who subscribe (including the ICANN BoD, I guess).  So, with
that in mind,  will the GA Chairman Danny Younger be pleased
to request that my words against Eric Dierker on this List's
archive be stricken from the public record by the DNSO
Secretariat.  Eric, though you have obtained this apology
there's something I want you to know:  I am an Individual.
You, as an individual volitional entity, can propose
whatever you like to whomever you please.  But, don't for
one moment believe or express the idea that you can speak
for me as an Individual.  As you can see, I'm pretty capable
of doing that for myself.  Your references to the
Individuals of developing countries and their plight is
important to you as an individual - but you don't speak for
them either - most certainly NOT as Individuals.  You do not
have that right.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
                   Individual

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:29:10 +0800
From: Joseph <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Mr. Qaddafi Salutes Verisign

Hi,
	Although I am in support of Zero-Censorship over the internet, there are,
at times, situations that are of "greater importance" (hence the setup of
Domestic Defence Office which takes precedence over normal
laws/rights/priorites). I believe that in issues like these, the decision is
no longer in the hands of ICANN. In other words, when dealing with issues
governed by law, the law take precedence.  For example, drug dealing is
illegal and thus ICANN cannot possibly be allowed to be involved in any form
of drug dealer's domain name if ICANN is aware of the use.

	On the same logic, if there is an existing sanction ruling by an
international body (UN and not USA because ICANN is an international body),
ICANN must observe the same rules. It is important to distinguish a USA law
vs a UN law because if one is to observe the law of USA, one must also
observe the law of Libya/Iraq thus cancelling each other out. UN on the
other hand is a recognized international body.

	In summary, I am in support of the requirement of ICANN observing any
international; ie voiding the Zero-Censorship in the case of a registration
from countries/industries with information saction in place.  Of course, I
can understand that it will be difficult to be in full compliance.

regards,
- - Joseph
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From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Patrick
Corliss
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:47 PM
To: Joe Baptista, pccf
Cc: [ga]
Subject: Fw: [ga] Mr. Qaddafi Salutes Verisign

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:41:24 -0400, Joanna Lane wrote:

> This kind of input on the list is very welcome. I'm compiling a list of
> relevant sites to forward to the BoD for attention. More please.

Hi Joanna

I get confused at the shifting sands here.  I thought you were friends with
Eric Dierker who is a dotcommoner in support of developing third world
countries being ruthlessly exploited by the West (with a capital "W").  Or
perhaps now that Sotiris has fallen out with Eric you have changed sides.

Libya, of course, is a harmless country who has minded its own business
since it had the shit bombed out of it by the United States a few years ago.
In fact, I didn't even realise it was the subject of sanctions.

That, I thought, applied to the boogeyman, Sadam Hussain. who really does
kill people and drive them out of his country to Iranian refugee camps from
where they make their way to Australia via Indonesia.

That's the great thing with "mission creep", we can talk about anything:
sex, drugs, politics or even religion.

Hey Dr Joe Baptista, where are ya !!!

And I'm not sure that a domain name might not fall within the spirit of
"information" that they are allowed to have.  At least it is conducive to an
information channel.  Which, of course, is needed to inform those silly
Libyans that their leader is a drug induced halfwit.

Regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:50:58 -0800
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] A minor observation ...

Usually, during ICANN meetings, the volume of this list drops off
substantially. Today, I count over 80 postings. Did most of us fail to
attend? Or is it that there's not enough to do in MdR?

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