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GA-DIGEST         Thursday, November 15 2001         Volume 01 : Number 849

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:41:16 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

on 11/14/01 5:08 PM, Jefsey Morfin at [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> On 23:14 14/11/01, Sotiris Sotiropoulos said:
>> 4) what does Esther know that we don't?
> 
> Dear Danny and Moderators,
> Before Mr. Sotiris Sotiropoulos becomes too personal about Mrs. Dyson, I
> suggest he his removed his posting privileges on this list, due to his ad
> hominem attacks everyone has suffered from enough and decency prevents me
> to quote. At least until he may cool down, return to himself and apologize
> to Mr. Dierker and to the list.
> Jefsey Morfin

It saddens me to have to say that I agree a temporary suspension of posting
privileges would seem necessary.

Regards,

Joanna

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:10:08 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 2:41:16 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:

> on 11/14/01 5:08 PM, Jefsey Morfin at [email-masked] wrote:

>> 
>> On 23:14 14/11/01, Sotiris Sotiropoulos said:
>>> 4) what does Esther know that we don't?
>> 
>> Dear Danny and Moderators,
>> Before Mr. Sotiris Sotiropoulos becomes too personal about Mrs. Dyson, I
>> suggest he his removed his posting privileges on this list, due to his ad
>> hominem attacks everyone has suffered from enough and decency prevents me
>> to quote. At least until he may cool down, return to himself and apologize
>> to Mr. Dierker and to the list.
>> Jefsey Morfin

> It saddens me to have to say that I agree a temporary suspension of posting
> privileges would seem necessary.

Danny most certainly won't do that, and the moderators do not feel
they have a mandate to do anything about it anymore, since they cannot
apply the rules equally to all members.

Learn to live with the reality that this is an unrestricted list like
the old domain-policy list was.

Or start applying pressure for the Names Council to step up to their
charter mandated duty to the GA.

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:11:17 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Outreach

Although I do care if the shoe shine boys of Vietnam can't afford a domain 
name, I also agree with Sotiris about ICANN's mission creep.  ICANN needs 
to belly up to the tasks they agreed to handle and put all these great 
ideas on a list and get their house clean and orderly and FUNCTIONING prior 
to fussing with more.

At 05:05 PM 11/14/2001 -0800, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Developing IT Countries need to increase domestic use of the Internet 
> in order to reduce shared costs of
> > the infrastructure, we cannot do this through individually owned 
> computers for many reasons, (overuse
> > being one), until we gradually increase infrastructure.
>
>ICANN is not here to address the economic development of developing 
>countries.  That is not parts of its
>mission.
>
>Frankly, I don't care if the shoeshine boys of Vietnam can't afford a 
>domain name (or internet access).  There
>are plenty of people in the developed world who cannot afford either!  The 
>trend towards leaning over
>backwards so some third world nation (that has most likely sucked up 
>billions in aid packages) can have an
>equal say in something they had no equal share in developing is sheer 
>lunacy.  I'm sure there are plenty of
>people in Vietnam with domain names AND internet access.  the rest will 
>either get online when they can afford
>to, or not.  I don't see how/why the ICANN needs to address (indeed cater 
>to) the needs of the Third World
>Internet User, when they haven't even looked at addressing the desires of 
>those in the Developed World!  This
>is a sideshow designed to steal attention from the things that really 
>matter!  I will not sit back and watch
>such a farce without speaking up about it.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:22:55 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Re[2]: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

The rules of conduct for the General Assembly do not allow for anyone to be 
suspended prior to breaking them.

~k

At 03:10 PM 11/14/2001 -0800, William X Walsh wrote:
>Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 2:41:16 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> > on 11/14/01 5:08 PM, Jefsey Morfin at [email-masked] wrote:
>
> >>
> >> On 23:14 14/11/01, Sotiris Sotiropoulos said:
> >>> 4) what does Esther know that we don't?
> >>
> >> Dear Danny and Moderators,
> >> Before Mr. Sotiris Sotiropoulos becomes too personal about Mrs. Dyson, I
> >> suggest he his removed his posting privileges on this list, due to his ad
> >> hominem attacks everyone has suffered from enough and decency prevents me
> >> to quote. At least until he may cool down, return to himself and apologize
> >> to Mr. Dierker and to the list.
> >> Jefsey Morfin
>
>
> > It saddens me to have to say that I agree a temporary suspension of posting
> > privileges would seem necessary.
>
>Danny most certainly won't do that, and the moderators do not feel
>they have a mandate to do anything about it anymore, since they cannot
>apply the rules equally to all members.
>
>Learn to live with the reality that this is an unrestricted list like
>the old domain-policy list was.
>
>Or start applying pressure for the Names Council to step up to their
>charter mandated duty to the GA.
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:13:17 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Apology

I apologize to the list for my brutal honesty.

I apologize to the List for being angry when the real issues
are NOT being addressed and phonies and patsies are
presenting WINDOW DRESSING for the masses to consume.

I apologize to the List for not having the stomach to sit
idly by while the Internet DNS is being hijacked right
before our very eyes.

If there's anything else I should apologize for, please feel
free to write to your local government representative...
especially if you live in the developing world!

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:36:58 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga-abuse] Re[2]: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good  process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 3:22:55 PM, Kristy McKee wrote:

> The rules of conduct for the General Assembly do not allow for anyone to be 
> suspended prior to breaking them.

No one has asked for that.

What I am asking is that we get a chair who will make a point to stand
up for the moderators, and the uniform application of their decisions,
and make the selective follow up by the Secretariat of moderator
decisions a serious issue of the GA with the Names Council.

But instead we have a chair who stays out of those issues, because
they don't do anything to help him accomplish things that within his
own personal agenda.

Which is exactly the attitude he displayed at the GA meeting in MDR
Monday, made ample time available for those issues that contribute to
his agenda and positions, and completely cut off things on the agenda
which didn't.

It's pathetic.

It's even more pathetic that the cowardly Names Council doesn't step
up to do something about it, since the GA Chairmanship is their direct
responsibility under the by laws.

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:33:22 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] .BIZ Scams ==>> NewRegistryDomains.com Junk Mail

Patrick and all assembly members,

  I am in strong agreement with your assessment here on this one Patrick.
I also doubt that anything WILL be done by the ICANN staff or BoD
as it is not in their specific best interest to do so.  But this whole
.BIZ "Deal" has been a scam from the get go if you ask me.  This
is just another instance amongst many that has been reported to
the ICANN BoD and staff that will likely go unaddressed.

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> These .BIZ scams will never end !!
>
> The following junk mail from NewRegistryDomains.com has the message:
>
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> want
> > to send email to anyone who does not wish to receive our special mailings.
> As a
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> administer our
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>
> The link is to http://www.autoemailremoval.com/cgi-bin/remove.pl for which
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>
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>
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>       629 - 465 NE 181st Avenue
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>
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> NS1.GIGENET.COM              66.28.91.30
> NS2.GIGENET.COM              66.28.91.31
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> both Admin Contacts use Yahoo! for their email, I would question the
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> show the same set of servers casting doubt on their proclaimed
> "independence".
>
> I suppose it's a bit much to ask ICANN, or anybody else, to care about it.
>
> So can anything be done ??
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:32:08 -0500
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Outreach

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> ICANN is not here to address the economic development of
> developing countries.  That is not parts of its mission.

No, but we do need to be careful not to create unnecessary obstacles
by failing to consider the impact of policies on those efforts.
 
> Frankly, I don't care if the shoeshine boys of Vietnam can't
> afford a domain name (or internet access).

Once the infrastructure for the access exists, they can get .vn
names at whetever price the local authority sets, or someone
can start selling cheap 3LD.shoeshine.vn names, or whatever.
 
> ... I don't see how/why the ICANN needs
> to address (indeed cater to) the needs of the Third World
> Internet User, ...

The net may play a rather different role in the third world.
Less a rich person's toy or hi-tech workplace, more an alternative
to various things they lack -- libraries, phones, (in some places)
uncensored media, ...
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:32:44 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga-abuse] Re[2]: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good  process than  comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

William X Walsh wrote:

> Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 3:22:55 PM, Kristy McKee wrote:
>
> > The rules of conduct for the General Assembly do not allow for anyone to be
> > suspended prior to breaking them.
>
> No one has asked for that.

Au contraire, both Jefsey and Joanna have called for exactly that.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:42:00 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN  2000-2001 Payments to Directors

Bruce and all assembly members,

  None of these costs and expenses seemed too out of line except
Stuart Lynn's and Jonathan Cohen's.  Those two had some
very questionable amounts and justifications for those amounts
I would like to seem flushed out in much more detain...

Bruce James wrote:

>  http://www.icann.org/financials/director-expenses-fye2001.htm
>
>             Payments to ICANN Directors
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:53:08 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga-abuse] Re[2]: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good  process than  comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 7:32:44 PM, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> William X Walsh wrote:

>> Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 3:22:55 PM, Kristy McKee wrote:
>>
>> > The rules of conduct for the General Assembly do not allow for anyone to be
>> > suspended prior to breaking them.
>>
>> No one has asked for that.

> Au contraire, both Jefsey and Joanna have called for exactly that.

1) Thought you weren't responding to me?  Another promise broken so
soon?

2) No, they called for your suspension after you already broke the
rules.  Your posts were a clear and multiple violation of the rules of
the GA list.  had we had effective leadership in the GA, you surely
would have been removed for it.

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:51:25 -0600
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Outreach

At 7:32 PM -0500 14/11/01, Sandy Harris wrote:
>Once the infrastructure for the access exists, they can get .vn
>names at whetever price the local authority sets, or someone
>can start selling cheap 3LD.shoeshine.vn names, or whatever.
>

Until ICANN starts forcing .vn into one-sided contracts, and the U.S.
starts leaning on them making them submit to the UDRP via trade agreements,
thus allowing U.S corps to strong-arm domains away from them.

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:24:31 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

Dan and all assembly members,

  Normally I would agree with you on this Dan.  But in this instance
there is a seeming creditability concern that should be flushed out
openly.

Dan Steinberg wrote:

> I would echo this sentiment. Surely there are better things to do on Sotiris.time than attack people?
>
> DPF wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:20:08 -0800, Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> > >Eric Dierker wrote:
> > >
> > >> Sotiris,
> > >>
> > >> This is entirely false and any and all records will show that I resigned due to disability which
> > >> ultimately resulted years later in six months of chemotherapy and later total remission.  You
> > >> know what is funny about this attack is that in later years it has been determined that the
> > >> non-hodgkins stage four lymphoma with pancreatic involvement that I was diagnosed with was
> > >> determined to be caused by Atomic fallout in Northern Arizona.
> > >
> > >Really?  Well, I've read that cocaine has been proven to be
> > >a cause of non-Hodgkins lymphoma:
> >
> > I am sure I am not the only person finding this unedifying to say the
> > least.  Mr Dierker is not at this point in time standing for any
> > office so what is gained from this?
> >
> > I take no position on the validity or otherwise of the claims but I
> > would like to say I feel the topic matter is inappropriate for this
> > list as it in no way relates to ICANN or DNSO matters.
> >
> > DPF
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:31:05 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

Joanna and all assembly members,

  I disagree with such an action.  In fact more exploring may be necessary
here for the GA to retain some creditability...

Joanna Lane wrote:

> on 11/14/01 5:08 PM, Jefsey Morfin at [email-masked] wrote:
>
> >
> > On 23:14 14/11/01, Sotiris Sotiropoulos said:
> >> 4) what does Esther know that we don't?
> >
> > Dear Danny and Moderators,
> > Before Mr. Sotiris Sotiropoulos becomes too personal about Mrs. Dyson, I
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> > hominem attacks everyone has suffered from enough and decency prevents me
> > to quote. At least until he may cool down, return to himself and apologize
> > to Mr. Dierker and to the list.
> > Jefsey Morfin
>
>
> It saddens me to have to say that I agree a temporary suspension of posting
> privileges would seem necessary.
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:36:53 +0800
From: Joseph <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: Outreach

From Soltiris:
>>> Frankly, I don't care if the shoeshine boys of Vietnam can't afford a
domain name (or internet access).  There are plenty
of people in the developed world who cannot afford either!  The trend
towards leaning over backwards so some third world
nation (that has most likely sucked up billions in aid packages) can have an
equal say in something they had no equal share in developing is sheer
lunacy.  I'm sure there are plenty of people in Vietnam with domain names
AND internet access.  the rest will either get online when they can afford
to, or not.  I don't see how/why the ICANN needs to address (indeed cater
to) the needs of the Third World Internet User, when they haven't even
looked at addressing the desires of those in the Developed World!  This is a
sideshow designed to steal attention from the things that really matter!  I
will not sit back and watch such a farce without speaking up about it.
- ---------------------
*** Myself, having originating from a "developing country", felt compelled
to speak up on this statement. While I do not believe that you should "bend
backwark" to help developing countries, doing so will, in fact, help the
"developed" countries itself. Asia has more people than (for example) USA 4
(four) folds.  Economically, (for example) China is more important to the
west today than any other economy is, as it is still "developing" (like many
other countries in Asia).  Developing is the time when the market is new and
economic "bounties" are plentiful and is where "developed" countries wants
in their marketshare statistics. ICANN is global, so it must think like a
global player. It has to work on BOTH the first world(?) and the third world
at the same time. There are merits to the "Prosper Thy Neighbour" policy as
it will, in return prosper thyself. Also, developing countries have a
substantial number of domain name holders. Forgetting this and isolating
this group of people is analoguos to "let's just cater to the rich and
forget about the poor even though there are more poor people than rich
people." --except that it is on a macro-level.

Also, developing countries does not mean that there are no "good people"
(lesser maybe, but not zero). There are more contents from the developing
countries than you may have thought, mostly isolated in their own language
and culture. There are more lines of code written by programmers from (for
example) India than one may have thought. So, it is untrue to say that
"<snip>...something they had no equal share in developing...<snip>".

Please do reconsider your position.

P/s: I am not saying that Developed countries are better nor am I saying
that the Developing countries are better.  The 2 needs one another. As such,
both parties must look after the well-being of each other.

regards,
- - Joseph
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- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Sotiris
Sotiropoulos
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:08 AM
To: Jeff Williams; ga
Subject: [ga] Re: Outreach

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Developing IT Countries need to increase domestic use of the Internet in
order to reduce shared costs of
> the infrastructure, we cannot do this through individually owned computers
for many reasons, (overuse
> being one), until we gradually increase infrastructure.

ICANN is not here to address the economic development of
developing countries.  That is not parts of its mission.

Frankly, I don't care if the shoeshine boys of Vietnam can't
afford a domain name (or internet access).  There are plenty
of people in the developed world who cannot afford either!
The trend towards leaning over backwards so some third world
nation (that has most likely sucked up billions in aid
packages) can have an equal say in something they had no
equal share in developing is sheer lunacy.  I'm sure there
are plenty of people in Vietnam with domain names AND
internet access.  the rest will either get online when they
can afford to, or not.  I don't see how/why the ICANN needs
to address (indeed cater to) the needs of the Third World
Internet User, when they haven't even looked at addressing
the desires of those in the Developed World!  This
is a sideshow designed to steal attention from the things
that really matter!  I will not sit back and watch such a
farce without speaking up about it.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:41:46 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Outreach

Sotiris and all assembly members,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Developing IT Countries need to increase domestic use of the Internet in order to reduce shared costs of
> > the infrastructure, we cannot do this through individually owned computers for many reasons, (overuse
> > being one), until we gradually increase infrastructure.
>
> ICANN is not here to address the economic development of developing countries.  That is not parts of its
> mission.

  Exactly right.  Nor should it get involved in the future in such escapades as
that is not within it's contractual mandate.

>
>
> Frankly, I don't care if the shoeshine boys of Vietnam can't afford a domain name (or internet access).  There
> are plenty of people in the developed world who cannot afford either!  The trend towards leaning over
> backwards so some third world nation (that has most likely sucked up billions in aid packages) can have an
> equal say in something they had no equal share in developing is sheer lunacy.  I'm sure there are plenty of
> people in Vietnam with domain names AND internet access.  the rest will either get online when they can afford
> to, or not.

  Your are a bit harsh here Sotiris, but in essence you are quite right.  In fact
the Republic of Vietnam recently just got a few Billion in aid from the US
for for trade and infrastructure building.  It can use that money to bring
more of it's people that cannot now afford internet access to gain such
access.

>  I don't see how/why the ICANN needs to address (indeed cater to) the needs of the Third World
> Internet User, when they haven't even looked at addressing the desires of those in the Developed World!

  Also agreed here as well.  Outreach should began at home first.  That home
is in the USA and/or North america.

> This
> is a sideshow designed to steal attention from the things that really matter!  I will not sit back and watch
> such a farce without speaking up about it.

  Good for you and we [INEGroup] agree!  >;)

>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
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