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GA-DIGEST         Wednesday, November 14 2001         Volume 01 : Number 848

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:24:12 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] "We have not heard a lot of complaints,"  says McLaughlin

Legislator keeps eye on domain sales 
By Reuters 
November 12, 2001, 10:40 a.m. PT 
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7849948.html

Regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:28:30 -0600
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN  2000-2001 Payments to Directors

 http://www.icann.org/financials/director-expenses-fye2001.htm

            Payments to ICANN Directors

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:45:38 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] international domain news

Reposted from Australian DNS mailing list.

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From: David Goldstein <[email-masked]>
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:49:29 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [DNS] international domain news

ICANN conference focuses on security
The annual meeting of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers, (ICANN), began this week with a warning from a US
congressman that unless domain registrars can verify their customers,
US law makers may step in and force them to do it.
"Without verification, we leave the field open for malevolent
registrants," and that includes anyone from intellectual property
thieves to terrorists using the Web to raise money and exchange
information, said Howard Berman.

http://www.cw360.com/bin/bladerunner?REQSESS=Z5749S14&690REQEVENT=&CARTI=107
776&CARTT=1&CCAT=2&CCHAN=20&CFLAV=1&CPAGEN=ArticlePage&CPAGET=-99999&CSEARCH
=&CSESS=-99999&CTOPIC=

Air France wins the first domain name case in Romanian courts
Air France has won the first domain name dispute in Romania.
The Air France vs. Amaltea SRL legal ruling, awarded by the Bucharest
Tribunal law court, stated that Amaltea will lose the right to use
'airfrance.ro' domain name. If the decision remains final, the
National Register of the '.ro' domain will have to cancel the Amaltea
registration of 'airfrance.ro'.
 http://www.europemedia.net/shownews.asp?ArticleID=6645

>From BNA Internet Law News...

UDRP REVIEW QUESTIONNAIRE POSTED FOR COMMENT
The UDRP Review Task Force has completed an important step
in the review process with the posting of a detailed
questionnaire on user experiences with the UDRP. Deadline
for submissions is December 17, 2001.  Questionnaire at
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011107.UDRP-Review-Questionnaire.html

A FAMILIAR UDRP DECISION
A WIPO panelist has ordered the transfer of the domain
familiar.com, after a UK company demonstrated that it has a
trademark in the word familiar and the domain owner put the
name up for sale.
http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2001/d2001-1009.html

ICANN MEETING UNDERWAY WITH SECURITY FOCUS
A US lawmaker told participants at an ICANN meeting that
domain-name sellers have an obligation to keep accurate
records of their customers to ensure they can be contacted
if they are improperly using trademarked names or engaging
in other illegal activity.  California Democratic Rep.
Howard Berman claims that such careless oversight allows
scam artists, cybersquatters and others to hide their true
identities, providing a barrier for law-enforcement
officials.  The comments come as the meeting focuses
primarily, though not exclusively (major discussion on
at-large issues last night), on security issues.
http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/045660.htm
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48344,00.html

AFILIAS SHIFTS FROM .INFO TO .AU
Afilias, the company that operates the .info Internet
suffix, has partnered with Melbourne, Australia-based
Internet address seller RegistrarsAsia and has submitted a
bid to run Australia's sovereign .au domain on behalf of the
Australian government and the Australian Domain
Administration (auDA).  Last month, auDA signed off on a
registry agreement with the ICANN, which formalized auDA's
role as the official governing organization for .au.
Meanwhile, Robert Elz, the former dot-au administrator,
continues to argue that a transfer of .org.au would be
inappropriate.
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/172091.html
<http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,3236063%5E15342%5E%5Enbv%5E
15306%2D15319,00.html>

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:28:02 -0500
From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Mr. Qaddafi Salutes Verisign

The relevant Libyan Sanctions Regulation are at 31 CFR 550 et seq.

[ whois.networksolutions.com ]
       
Registrant:
Libya Telecom & Technology (LTTMAIL4-DOM)
   That El-Imad 3rd tower 1st floor
   Tripoli, Tripoli 91216
   LY

   Domain Name: LTTMAIL.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Al-Toboly, Nasir  (NA3513)  [email-masked]
      Libya Telecom and Technology
      That El-Emad Complex, 3rd tower 1st floor
      Tripoli, Tripoli 91612
      LY
      (218) 21 3350831 (FAX) (218) 21 3350832

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:55:45 -0500
From: "Milton Mueller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] UDRP Questionnaire

I intend to express these concerns at the
Names Council meeting today, but for online
participants I will do it here, also.

1. We need to do a much better job of publicizing
the availability of this questionnaire. It is
a call for public comment but the public
has no idea it exists, and circulation among
the small coterie of dnso mailing lists will
not do the trick. 

The NC or ICANN should issue a news release
that solicits public comment and makes the 
URL for it well known. There are a number of
reporters who follow ICANN closely who will
pick this up. It should also be highlighted
on ICANN's home page.

2. Flaw in survey form
On question 13, we ask "who should be 
responsible for the selection of the provider."
The response should be a check box but
instead is a ranking from 1 - 5. I found this
so confusing that I was unable to answer
the question at all. I suspect many others will
too. But Q 13 is a crucial question.

In general, our members report finding the
survey format difficult to understand and use.

>>> "DNSO Secretariat" <[email-masked]> 11/08/01 15:52 PM >>>
[To: [email-masked]]
[To: [email-masked]]
[To: [email-masked], [email-masked]]
_______________________________________________

Please find below the url for the UDRP Review Questionnaire.
 http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011107.UDRP-Review-Questionnaire.html
Please complete the questionnaire online and "submit" at the end. 
Your participation is much appreciated.
Thank you

DNSO Secretariat

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:21:21 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Sotiris,

This is entirely false and any and all records will show that I resigned due to disability which
ultimately resulted years later in six months of chemotherapy and later total remission.  You
know what is funny about this attack is that in later years it has been determined that the
non-hodgkins stage four lymphoma with pancreatic involvement that I was diagnosed with was
determined to be caused by Atomic fallout in Northern Arizona.  (you can look it up, I was 5
years old, Coconino County, Arizona during 1962-63, July, disease above is med/ref)  So while I
am being attacked on a list regarding technology it was radiation from technology which caused
the reason for which I am attacked.  So I add, hurray!! to Bush and Putin for reducing those
horrible weapons.

Maybe you don't get it SS but my own country nuked me and I would gladly still die for it.  ICANN
does not treat dotcommoners properly but I will gladly participate and support it.  because our
leaders may have faults is not a reason to attack the whole system.  We move forward and we do
our best.

I hope you have your garden fully prepared for the winter, I know you take good care of it and it
is your solace.

Sincerely,
Eric Dierker

Ps. don't worry the US Gov. has a program to compensate me 50k for my illness, and I may get it
in time for my beautiful youngest's college - six more years.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Sotiris,
> >
> > I believe that through some quirck of fate you posted this to the GA.
> >
> > My record as a criminal defense attorney, a Jag Representative, or a prosecuter of civil
> > matters is of no interest to this group except that it partially explains my compassion for
> > human plight.
>
> When you took up the bar oath, you became accountable to the
> public.  I believe it is relevant as a statement of
> character that you were suspended for five years by the
> state bar for a number of ethical violations regarding
> clients but mainly for drinking too much and inhaling too
> much "nose candy."
>
> Now, I might be going out on a limb here, but it seems to me
> you weren't handed the pornographer case by accident.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:00:07 -0500
From: Dan Steinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: [nc-udrp] UDRP Questionnaire

Given the errors on the page (which are not limited to the ones you point
out and are duplicated in the french translation), should we not perhaps
wait a bit before publicizing?

Also, does anyone know where the responses submitted are going to?

I know people have been commenting already and I think it would be a good
idea to get a head start on looking at responses before the inevitable
final-filing deadline deluge.

Milton Mueller wrote:

> I intend to express these concerns at the
> Names Council meeting today, but for online
> participants I will do it here, also.
>
> 1. We need to do a much better job of publicizing
> the availability of this questionnaire. It is
> a call for public comment but the public
> has no idea it exists, and circulation among
> the small coterie of dnso mailing lists will
> not do the trick.
>
> The NC or ICANN should issue a news release
> that solicits public comment and makes the
> URL for it well known. There are a number of
> reporters who follow ICANN closely who will
> pick this up. It should also be highlighted
> on ICANN's home page.
>
> 2. Flaw in survey form
> On question 13, we ask "who should be
> responsible for the selection of the provider."
> The response should be a check box but
> instead is a ranking from 1 - 5. I found this
> so confusing that I was unable to answer
> the question at all. I suspect many others will
> too. But Q 13 is a crucial question.
>
> In general, our members report finding the
> survey format difficult to understand and use.
>
> >>> "DNSO Secretariat" <[email-masked]> 11/08/01 15:52 PM >>>
> [To: [email-masked]]
> [To: [email-masked]]
> [To: [email-masked], [email-masked]]
> _______________________________________________
>
> Please find below the url for the UDRP Review Questionnaire.
>  http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011107.UDRP-Review-Questionnaire.html
> Please complete the questionnaire online and "submit" at the end.
> Your participation is much appreciated.
> Thank you
>
> DNSO Secretariat

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:20:08 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Sotiris,
>
> This is entirely false and any and all records will show that I resigned due to disability which
> ultimately resulted years later in six months of chemotherapy and later total remission.  You
> know what is funny about this attack is that in later years it has been determined that the
> non-hodgkins stage four lymphoma with pancreatic involvement that I was diagnosed with was
> determined to be caused by Atomic fallout in Northern Arizona.

Really?  Well, I've read that cocaine has been proven to be
a cause of non-Hodgkins lymphoma:
- ----------
In 1997, Rebecca Nelson - then a doctoral candidate at the
University of Southern California School of Medicine, now a
Ph.D cancer researcher at the City of Hope National Medical
Center - confirmed a cocaine-cancer link by re-examining the
results of a study that began in the late 1980s.

Nelson's findings, published in the December 1997 issue of
the British Journal of Cancer, showed that cocaine use was
associated with an increased risk of developing non-Hodgkins
lymphoma. She also established that the risk was directly
tied to frequency of abuse. Those men who used cocaine nine
times or more had triple the risk of non-users.

see: http://www.usatoday.com/life/health/doctor/lhdoc216.htm
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I wonder when we're going to start getting some truth out of
you.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:48:16 +1300
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:20:08 -0800, Sotiris Sotiropoulos
<[email-masked]> wrote:

>Eric Dierker wrote:
>
>> Sotiris,
>>
>> This is entirely false and any and all records will show that I resigned due to disability which
>> ultimately resulted years later in six months of chemotherapy and later total remission.  You
>> know what is funny about this attack is that in later years it has been determined that the
>> non-hodgkins stage four lymphoma with pancreatic involvement that I was diagnosed with was
>> determined to be caused by Atomic fallout in Northern Arizona.
>
>Really?  Well, I've read that cocaine has been proven to be
>a cause of non-Hodgkins lymphoma:

I am sure I am not the only person finding this unedifying to say the
least.  Mr Dierker is not at this point in time standing for any
office so what is gained from this?

I take no position on the validity or otherwise of the claims but I
would like to say I feel the topic matter is inappropriate for this
list as it in no way relates to ICANN or DNSO matters.

DPF
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:01:44 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 10:48:16 AM, DPF wrote:

> I take no position on the validity or otherwise of the claims but I
> would like to say I feel the topic matter is inappropriate for this
> list as it in no way relates to ICANN or DNSO matters.

I Agree, however we have no leadership in the GA to enforce it.  The
chair is ineffective, and the moderators feel they can't do their job
effectively, and the chair has not done anything whatsoever to try and
change that situation.

This list may as well be a complete free for all, like the old NSI
Domain-policy list.

Of course, the Names Council has refused to do anything about the lack
of effective chairmanship in the GA, but perhaps if enough people
started making an issue out of it with them, they would lose their
cowardice on this issue.

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:56:39 -0500
From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] More Internet Trade With Libya by US Company

In case you didn't look up the regulations at www.ustreas.gov/ofac :

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SELLING TO LIBYA - Except for informational materials, such as
books, magazines, films, and recordings and donated articles such as
food, clothing, medicine, and medical supplies intended to relieve human
suffering, and the licensed export of agricultural commodities, medicine
and medical devices, no goods, technology, or services may be
exported from the United States to Libya, either directly or through third
countries.
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Yeah, right, domain registration and technical support provided by Network
Solutions:

Registrant:
Libyan Broadcasting (GLJB3-DOM)
   alshat st
   tripoli, tripoli
   LY

   Domain Name: GLJB.ORG

   Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
      Libyan Broadcasting  (M22366-OR)  [email-masked]
      Libyan Broadcasting
      alshat st
      tripoli
      LY
      00218213612773 fax: 00218213334789

   Technical Contact:
      WorldNIC Name Host  (HOST-ORG)  [email-masked]
      Network Solutions, Inc.
      505 Huntmar Park Drive
      Herndon, VA 20170-5142
      1-888-642-9675

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:14:15 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

DPF wrote:

> I take no position on the validity or otherwise of the claims but I
> would like to say I feel the topic matter is inappropriate for this
> list as it in no way relates to ICANN or DNSO matters.

If you watch the webcast archive from Monday's GA meeting, you'll see something interesting.  During
the public input period, Esther Dyson went up to the microphone and mentioned the "outreach" work of
Eric Derker as some kind of model to be looked at/followed/emulated for the ALSC!  Now, 1) what
outreach work was she talking about? 2) who put Eric Dierker in charge of GA outreach? 3) what exactly
is the "outreach" product? 4) what does Esther know that we don't?

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:25:14 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substanceto: [ga]    icannworld.org

Kristy McKee wrote:

> I have not listened/read through this weeks ICANN/DNSO meeting information
> yet (I hope to have time over the holiday)... What I know of Esther I
> assume she was making a joke.

After A. Muellher's "procedural bullshit" comment, at
2:06:44 of the video archive of the Public Forum on At Large
Participation on Monday, Nov 12, 2001, Esther Dyson says:

"I would like to pit Jerry Berman's version of a restricted
ICANN against Eric Dierker's and see what we come out with.
I think that would actually be a useful discussion."

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:53:11 -0500
From: Dan Steinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

I would echo this sentiment. Surely there are better things to do on Sotiris.time than attack people?

DPF wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:20:08 -0800, Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> >Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> >> Sotiris,
> >>
> >> This is entirely false and any and all records will show that I resigned due to disability which
> >> ultimately resulted years later in six months of chemotherapy and later total remission.  You
> >> know what is funny about this attack is that in later years it has been determined that the
> >> non-hodgkins stage four lymphoma with pancreatic involvement that I was diagnosed with was
> >> determined to be caused by Atomic fallout in Northern Arizona.
> >
> >Really?  Well, I've read that cocaine has been proven to be
> >a cause of non-Hodgkins lymphoma:
>
> I am sure I am not the only person finding this unedifying to say the
> least.  Mr Dierker is not at this point in time standing for any
> office so what is gained from this?
>
> I take no position on the validity or otherwise of the claims but I
> would like to say I feel the topic matter is inappropriate for this
> list as it in no way relates to ICANN or DNSO matters.
>
> DPF
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:08:05 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]   icannworld.org

On 23:14 14/11/01, Sotiris Sotiropoulos said:
>4) what does Esther know that we don't?

Dear Danny and Moderators,
Before Mr. Sotiris Sotiropoulos becomes too personal about Mrs. Dyson, I 
suggest he his removed his posting privileges on this list, due to his ad 
hominem attacks everyone has suffered from enough and decency prevents me 
to quote. At least until he may cool down, return to himself and apologize 
to Mr. Dierker and to the list.
Jefsey Morfin

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:26:48 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Outreach

The Outreach Program I speak about is MY outreach program.  I have consistently pounded on it in this
forum and in the ALSC.  Ms. Dyson was referring to MY presentation to the BoD which was during open
comment and which they will have to endure again tomorrow.  And I will continue to pound on it.

See if this jogs your memory;

Internet Cafe's as registration locales and marketing points and voting booths and Outreach.

The emerging countries use of postal service locations for IT access being other end facilities for
Outreach.

Combined with a Tokten ( http://www.undp.org.np/programme/tokten/  using immigrants in developed countries
to spearhead Outreach in their respective emerging countries) and UN approach.  Verification done
locally.  The access points as remote locations for all ICANN meetings.

ccTLDs being used to coordinate local community operations and Outreach.

I also have related that the company I work for has expended great sums allowing me to develop the
theories and that I will move forward with it regardless of GA or ICANN approval.

Developing IT Countries need to increase domestic use of the Internet in order to reduce shared costs of
the infrastructure, we cannot do this through individually owned computers for many reasons, (overuse
being one), until we gradually increase infrastructure.

I appeared in front of the BoD as an individual, and proclaimed that I was the only individual there
(humor to stress my point)

I do not know what about my program scares you so bad as to take up such a vicious attack on me.  But go
right ahead I won't back down.

Sincerely,
Eric Dierker

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> DPF wrote:
>
> > I take no position on the validity or otherwise of the claims but I
> > would like to say I feel the topic matter is inappropriate for this
> > list as it in no way relates to ICANN or DNSO matters.
>
> If you watch the webcast archive from Monday's GA meeting, you'll see something interesting.  During
> the public input period, Esther Dyson went up to the microphone and mentioned the "outreach" work of
> Eric Derker as some kind of model to be looked at/followed/emulated for the ALSC!  Now, 1) what
> outreach work was she talking about? 2) who put Eric Dierker in charge of GA outreach? 3) what exactly
> is the "outreach" product? 4) what does Esther know that we don't?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:22:26 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

on 11/14/01 2:48 PM, DPF at [email-masked] wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:20:08 -0800, Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>> Eric Dierker wrote:
>> 
>>> Sotiris,
>>> 
>>> This is entirely false and any and all records will show that I resigned due
>>> to disability which
>>> ultimately resulted years later in six months of chemotherapy and later
>>> total remission.  You
>>> know what is funny about this attack is that in later years it has been
>>> determined that the
>>> non-hodgkins stage four lymphoma with pancreatic involvement that I was
>>> diagnosed with was
>>> determined to be caused by Atomic fallout in Northern Arizona.
>> 
>> Really?  Well, I've read that cocaine has been proven to be
>> a cause of non-Hodgkins lymphoma:
> 
> I am sure I am not the only person finding this unedifying to say the
> least.  Mr Dierker is not at this point in time standing for any
> office so what is gained from this?
> 
> I take no position on the validity or otherwise of the claims but I
> would like to say I feel the topic matter is inappropriate for this
> list as it in no way relates to ICANN or DNSO matters.
> 
> DPF
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Well said David, I couldn't agree more. Sotiris, you have not, IMHO,
established a basis for the GA to continue considering Mr. Dierker's
personal health, habits, or employment history as an issue that needs GA
attention. Such a basis would have to a ) show that there is problem
affecting the GA that needs to be addressed and b) outline a possible course
of action that the GA needs to take to fix said problem.

Regards,

Joanna

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
Reader, which is available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.) 

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:38:07 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substanceto: [ga]    icannworld.org

on 11/14/01 7:25 PM, Sotiris Sotiropoulos at [email-masked]
wrote:

> Kristy McKee wrote:
> 
>> I have not listened/read through this weeks ICANN/DNSO meeting information
>> yet (I hope to have time over the holiday)... What I know of Esther I
>> assume she was making a joke.
> 
> After A. Muellher's "procedural bullshit" comment, at
> 2:06:44 of the video archive of the Public Forum on At Large
> Participation on Monday, Nov 12, 2001, Esther Dyson says:
> 
> "I would like to pit Jerry Berman's version of a restricted
> ICANN against Eric Dierker's and see what we come out with.
> I think that would actually be a useful discussion."
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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*If* I was tempted to buy into any conspiracy theory at all about this,
(which I'm not), the first place I would look is the QUI TAM case that Eric
Dierker raised. This certainly seems to have some merits, and therefore
could have been leveraged for dotcommoner concessions in the At Large. More
likely, the ALSC just thinks Eric's peoposal to the BoD has merits worth
exploring. More power to you Eric. Well done. Please keep us informed of
developments.

Regards,

Joanna

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
Reader, which is available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.) 

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:05:56 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Outreach

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Developing IT Countries need to increase domestic use of the Internet in order to reduce shared costs of
> the infrastructure, we cannot do this through individually owned computers for many reasons, (overuse
> being one), until we gradually increase infrastructure.

ICANN is not here to address the economic development of developing countries.  That is not parts of its
mission.

Frankly, I don't care if the shoeshine boys of Vietnam can't afford a domain name (or internet access).  There
are plenty of people in the developed world who cannot afford either!  The trend towards leaning over
backwards so some third world nation (that has most likely sucked up billions in aid packages) can have an
equal say in something they had no equal share in developing is sheer lunacy.  I'm sure there are plenty of
people in Vietnam with domain names AND internet access.  the rest will either get online when they can afford
to, or not.  I don't see how/why the ICANN needs to address (indeed cater to) the needs of the Third World
Internet User, when they haven't even looked at addressing the desires of those in the Developed World!  This
is a sideshow designed to steal attention from the things that really matter!  I will not sit back and watch
such a farce without speaking up about it.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:08:01 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Outreach

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Developing IT Countries need to increase domestic use of the Internet in order to reduce shared costs of
> the infrastructure, we cannot do this through individually owned computers for many reasons, (overuse
> being one), until we gradually increase infrastructure.

ICANN is not here to address the economic development of
developing countries.  That is not parts of its mission.

Frankly, I don't care if the shoeshine boys of Vietnam can't
afford a domain name (or internet access).  There are plenty
of people in the developed world who cannot afford either! 
The trend towards leaning over backwards so some third world
nation (that has most likely sucked up billions in aid
packages) can have an equal say in something they had no
equal share in developing is sheer lunacy.  I'm sure there
are plenty of people in Vietnam with domain names AND
internet access.  the rest will either get online when they
can afford to, or not.  I don't see how/why the ICANN needs
to address (indeed cater to) the needs of the Third World
Internet User, when they haven't even looked at addressing
the desires of those in the Developed World!  This
is a sideshow designed to steal attention from the things
that really matter!  I will not sit back and watch such a
farce without speaking up about it.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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