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GA-DIGEST         Wednesday, November 14 2001         Volume 01 : Number 847

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:21:15 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNH Plus - Plus

Eric and all assembly members,

  Again you are spinning here.  Please try to be honest and complete
and save the politicing for some other fools....  Remember I and
allot of other people are watching!!  >;)

Eric Dierker wrote:

> On the side of getting actual individuals to have voting rights in the
> AL significant discussion was had yesterday.
>
> Taking up, quit obviously on discussions contributed by GA members on
> the ALS Forum, Mr. Bilt referenced many times that essentially domain
> name holders would be the core of membership but that other methods
> should be implemented to assure secure inclusion.  Ms. Dyson was quick
> to point out that certainly attendance at a meeting  such as yesterday
> was certainly valid proof of identification.
>
> This is ok people, while we have a long way to go this is progress.  We
> can extrapolate and see that postal verification and technical methods
> of internet verification are logical extensions.
>
> Please watch as democracy will take shape and form in Bosnia and now
> Afghanistan.  They will take awhile before everyone can just run in and
> vote.  Here in the US we basically de facto require literacy at a
> reasonable level. (or in Florida maybe not;-)
>
> I know that to many promises have been broken and bitterness is the only
> reason they remain participating here in ICANN.  But contrary to the
> alarmists great progress is being made and by the time my techie friends
> figure out a way for every internet user to be able to vote securely I
> believe we will have that right.  At this point it is technology and
> money that holds us back.
>
> I will address money later.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric Dierker
>
> (as always I ask any dotcommoner to step forward if this is not the
> position of the dotcommoner)
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:30:42 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Killing Democracy

Eric Dierker wrote:
> Let us center on substantive issues rather than personal grievances
> with gross history and procedural tit for tat.

Hi Eric

I noted your reply on the archives (you have been in my kill file for some
time now) and would make the following comment for those thinking along the
same lines.

My motion was accepted by many in the GA.  In July, Danny undertook to put
it to a vote in October, three months later.  I saw that as a snide way to
shelve the issue.  As the vote never happened, I suspect I was right.

Danny has effectively killed the sublists.  That's a pity as it has allowed
the main [ga] list to be used to be diverted at will.

However, it was done against the wishes of quite a few list members.  And
whether you like it or not, it was not democratic.

You, as a self proclaimed dotcommoner, should appreciate the hypocrisy.

Patrick Corliss

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:18:21 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga] icannworld.org

Eric and all assembly members,

Eric Dierker wrote:

> I was quite pleased to meet and speak with Mr. Thorton after his presentation
> and Q&A period.  The guy uses a little too much dramatic pause but otherwise the
> presentation according to agenda that I witnessed was very good.

  Didn't sound like many others thought so from what we are seeing.
Perhaps you are in the minority?

>
>
> Boyo boyo this stuff sounds like a jealous spouse.

  Doesn't to me.  SOund more like process and the agenda were not
followed.  As a result many wasted their precious time preparing
for a presentation which Danny lobbied here for and were unable
or not allowed to present them.

>
>
> Let us center on substantive issues rather than personal grievances with gross
> history and procedural tit for tat.

  Let us also be sure that a good and fair process in followed and in place
that can allow for good subtantive issues can be heard, addressed and
taken care of adequately.

>
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
> Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> > Hi Joop
> >
> > > While I am very disappointed about what happended yesterday at the GA
> > > meeting, with the published agenda suddenly disregarded  and 2 items not
> > > addressed,  I will not help playing the game of attacking a Chair before
> > > there is another elected one willing to take over that thankless job.
> >
> > Sorry, Joop, the TLDA members have raised as an issue that Bradley
> > Thornton's presentation was cut out from the agenda without notice.  If
> > true, I would argue
> > that is iniquitous.  I have no knowledge of the reason for it being cut.
> >
> > You should be aware that Danny lost my support some time ago.
> >
> > As far as Danny following proper process I would also remind you of the
> > following:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Corliss <[email-masked]>
> > To: Danny Younger <[email-masked]>
> > Cc: [ga] <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Motion Accepted
> >
> > Hi Danny
> >
> > Perhaps I should have read your wishy washy, doublespeak wording more
> > carefully.  You wrote:
> >
> > > > At some point our Secretariat will advise when it is ready to once more
> > > > support the activities of the General Assembly.  Perhaps we might be
> > > > able to conclude a vote on this motion by early October (according to
> > > > the most recent timetable put forth).  In the meantime, you may wish to
> > > > get a "sense of the GA" on this topic through a poll.
> >
> > The fact is that the DNSO Secretariat never had any intention of putting my
> > motion to a vote.  I doubt if you did either despite your misleading heading
> > "Motion Accepted".
> >
> > If we can't even get an internal motion to a vote of the GA, what chance do
> > we have with something that has external implicatations.
> >
> > So can we cut the crap and just write off the GA as a farce?
> >
> > Best regards
> > Patrick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Corliss <[email-masked]>
> > To: <[email-masked]>
> > Cc: [ga] <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Motion Accepted
> >
> > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:33:50 EDT, Danny Younger wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have no objection to accepting the motion that you have proposed.
> > > > At some point our Secretariat will advise when it is ready to once more
> > > > support the activities of the General Assembly.  Perhaps we might be
> > > > able to conclude a vote on this motion by early October (according to
> > > > the most recent timetable put forth).  In the meantime, you may wish to
> > > > get a "sense of the GA" on this topic through a poll.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your support and your comments.  By my count, there are
> > > 18 declared supporters for the present proposal:
> > >
> > > *    Peter de Blanc
> > > *    Roeland Meyer
> > > *    Leah Gallegos
> > > *    Jefsey Morfin
> > > *    Ken Stubbs
> > > *    William S. Lovell
> > > *    Marilyn Cade
> > > *    Ross Wm. Rader (for Tucows)
> > > *    Bradley Thornton
> > > *    Alexander Svensson
> > > *    Michael McNulty
> > > *    Joop Teernstra
> > > *    Erica Roberts
> > > *    Marc Schneiders
> > > *    Vany Martinez
> > > *    John C. Lewis
> > > *    Derek Conant (with reservations)
> > > *    Patrick Corliss (myself)
> > >
> > > I believe that we have sufficient mandate to request members to use the
> > > [ga-rules] mailing list to debate procedural or other administrative
> > > issues like websites, mailing lists, etc.
> > >
> > > > To facilitate that effort, and in response to the recommendation put
> > forth
> > > > by Bill Lovell to create our own website, I have begun building such a
> > > > site (with an area devoted to current motions).  You may visit
> > > > http://www.icannworld.org to see the results of my efforts over the
> > > > course of this weekend.
> > >
> > > I would, of course, thank both Bill Lovell and yourself, as well as Joanna
> > > Lane, for your kind efforts.
> > >
> > > One wonders why we cannot incorporate these initiatives into the current
> > > DNSO website.  I see this as an issue that needs to be discussed on the
> > > [ga-rules] mailing list.
> > >
> > > > Clicking on the General Assembly Link will take you to the page that
> > > > leads you to the Straw Poll.
> > >
> > > Thank you.  At least we start with the 18 names above (19 if we include
> > > yourself) in favour of discussing non-substantive issues on the [ga-rules]
> > > mailing list.
> > >
> > > I see that as sufficient mandate to encourage compliance with this motion.
> > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Danny
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Patrick Corliss
> >
> > <snip footers>
> >
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:22:22 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Richard Sexton's Quote File

From Richard Sexton's Quote File.  See:

http://dns.vrx.net/funnies/quotes/current/

http://dns.vrx.net/funnies/quotes/old/

Andy Mueller-Maguhn, one of five at-large board members elected late last
year, abstained from a vote to approve the minutes of the previous meeting,
explaining he had not read any such minutes.

"Fifteen minutes later it was discovered that there were no minutes,"
Muller-Maguhn said. "But that is the mentality on the ICANN board: Always to
say yes. It's a lot like in the old East Germany."

Regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:33:36 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Well what sounds like to you is totally wrong.  "Who you going to believe me or your
eyes"  ;>}
peace!

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Eric and all assembly members,
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > I was quite pleased to meet and speak with Mr. Thorton after his presentation
> > and Q&A period.  The guy uses a little too much dramatic pause but otherwise the
> > presentation according to agenda that I witnessed was very good.
>
>   Didn't sound like many others thought so from what we are seeing.
> Perhaps you are in the minority?
>
> >
> >
> > Boyo boyo this stuff sounds like a jealous spouse.
>
>   Doesn't to me.  SOund more like process and the agenda were not
> followed.  As a result many wasted their precious time preparing
> for a presentation which Danny lobbied here for and were unable
> or not allowed to present them.
>
> >
> >
> > Let us center on substantive issues rather than personal grievances with gross
> > history and procedural tit for tat.
>
>   Let us also be sure that a good and fair process in followed and in place
> that can allow for good subtantive issues can be heard, addressed and
> taken care of adequately.
>
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Eric
> >
> > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Joop
> > >
> > > > While I am very disappointed about what happended yesterday at the GA
> > > > meeting, with the published agenda suddenly disregarded  and 2 items not
> > > > addressed,  I will not help playing the game of attacking a Chair before
> > > > there is another elected one willing to take over that thankless job.
> > >
> > > Sorry, Joop, the TLDA members have raised as an issue that Bradley
> > > Thornton's presentation was cut out from the agenda without notice.  If
> > > true, I would argue
> > > that is iniquitous.  I have no knowledge of the reason for it being cut.
> > >
> > > You should be aware that Danny lost my support some time ago.
> > >
> > > As far as Danny following proper process I would also remind you of the
> > > following:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Patrick Corliss <[email-masked]>
> > > To: Danny Younger <[email-masked]>
> > > Cc: [ga] <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Motion Accepted
> > >
> > > Hi Danny
> > >
> > > Perhaps I should have read your wishy washy, doublespeak wording more
> > > carefully.  You wrote:
> > >
> > > > > At some point our Secretariat will advise when it is ready to once more
> > > > > support the activities of the General Assembly.  Perhaps we might be
> > > > > able to conclude a vote on this motion by early October (according to
> > > > > the most recent timetable put forth).  In the meantime, you may wish to
> > > > > get a "sense of the GA" on this topic through a poll.
> > >
> > > The fact is that the DNSO Secretariat never had any intention of putting my
> > > motion to a vote.  I doubt if you did either despite your misleading heading
> > > "Motion Accepted".
> > >
> > > If we can't even get an internal motion to a vote of the GA, what chance do
> > > we have with something that has external implicatations.
> > >
> > > So can we cut the crap and just write off the GA as a farce?
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Patrick Corliss <[email-masked]>
> > > To: <[email-masked]>
> > > Cc: [ga] <[email-masked]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Motion Accepted
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:33:50 EDT, Danny Younger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have no objection to accepting the motion that you have proposed.
> > > > > At some point our Secretariat will advise when it is ready to once more
> > > > > support the activities of the General Assembly.  Perhaps we might be
> > > > > able to conclude a vote on this motion by early October (according to
> > > > > the most recent timetable put forth).  In the meantime, you may wish to
> > > > > get a "sense of the GA" on this topic through a poll.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your support and your comments.  By my count, there are
> > > > 18 declared supporters for the present proposal:
> > > >
> > > > *    Peter de Blanc
> > > > *    Roeland Meyer
> > > > *    Leah Gallegos
> > > > *    Jefsey Morfin
> > > > *    Ken Stubbs
> > > > *    William S. Lovell
> > > > *    Marilyn Cade
> > > > *    Ross Wm. Rader (for Tucows)
> > > > *    Bradley Thornton
> > > > *    Alexander Svensson
> > > > *    Michael McNulty
> > > > *    Joop Teernstra
> > > > *    Erica Roberts
> > > > *    Marc Schneiders
> > > > *    Vany Martinez
> > > > *    John C. Lewis
> > > > *    Derek Conant (with reservations)
> > > > *    Patrick Corliss (myself)
> > > >
> > > > I believe that we have sufficient mandate to request members to use the
> > > > [ga-rules] mailing list to debate procedural or other administrative
> > > > issues like websites, mailing lists, etc.
> > > >
> > > > > To facilitate that effort, and in response to the recommendation put
> > > forth
> > > > > by Bill Lovell to create our own website, I have begun building such a
> > > > > site (with an area devoted to current motions).  You may visit
> > > > > http://www.icannworld.org to see the results of my efforts over the
> > > > > course of this weekend.
> > > >
> > > > I would, of course, thank both Bill Lovell and yourself, as well as Joanna
> > > > Lane, for your kind efforts.
> > > >
> > > > One wonders why we cannot incorporate these initiatives into the current
> > > > DNSO website.  I see this as an issue that needs to be discussed on the
> > > > [ga-rules] mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > > Clicking on the General Assembly Link will take you to the page that
> > > > > leads you to the Straw Poll.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  At least we start with the 18 names above (19 if we include
> > > > yourself) in favour of discussing non-substantive issues on the [ga-rules]
> > > > mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > I see that as sufficient mandate to encourage compliance with this motion.
> > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Danny
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes
> > > > Patrick Corliss
> > >
> > > <snip footers>
> > >
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:47:46 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Killing Democracy

That is old rubbish and you are bitter and unconstructive.  You should not have
accepted the post if were you not willing to stick it out. You were the one who
told me it would be hell being elected.  You are very responsible for the lack
of effectiveness in the GA.  I have never been so glamorized as by being placed
in your kill file.

Life is good!

Eric

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> Eric Dierker wrote:
> > Let us center on substantive issues rather than personal grievances
> > with gross history and procedural tit for tat.
>
> Hi Eric
>
> I noted your reply on the archives (you have been in my kill file for some
> time now) and would make the following comment for those thinking along the
> same lines.
>
> My motion was accepted by many in the GA.  In July, Danny undertook to put
> it to a vote in October, three months later.  I saw that as a snide way to
> shelve the issue.  As the vote never happened, I suspect I was right.
>
> Danny has effectively killed the sublists.  That's a pity as it has allowed
> the main [ga] list to be used to be diverted at will.
>
> However, it was done against the wishes of quite a few list members.  And
> whether you like it or not, it was not democratic.
>
> You, as a self proclaimed dotcommoner, should appreciate the hypocrisy.
>
> Patrick Corliss
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:41:15 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] icannworld.org

On 15:24 14/11/01 +1100, Patrick Corliss said:

>Sorry, Joop, the TLDA members have raised as an issue that Bradley
>Thornton's presentation was cut out from the agenda without notice.  If
>true, I would argue
>that is iniquitous.  I have no knowledge of the reason for it being cut.

Yes, not only the TLDA, but also the IDNO statement that was on the agenda 
had to make place for Danny's icannworld and the time given to new.net.
The realtime chat testifies how flabbergasted I was when the meeting was 
cut short.

Let's hear Danny's explanation and then decide what to do next.
I nominated him (and you) and must therefore bear some of the responsibility.

It is just that I want us the treat the Chair, any Chair who volunteers to 
do this job, with as much forbearance as is humanly possible.
When the DNSO starts paying our Chairs a honorarium, it becomes a different 
matter.

- --Joop

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:41:25 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Well what sounds like to you is totally wrong.  "Who you going to believe me or your
> eyes"  ;>}

Well, if the question has to do with trusting a shyster like
yourself who defended criminal pornographers (and is now
claiming to represent dotcommoners), then I have no problem
saying: NEITHER.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:46:40 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Well what sounds like to you is totally wrong.  "Who you going to believe me or your
> > eyes"  ;>}
>
> Well, if the question has to do with trusting a shyster like
> yourself who defended criminal pornographers (and is now
> claiming to represent dotcommoners), then I have no problem
> saying: NEITHER.

My apologies to Eric Dierker.  The man he represented was
not a criminal pornographer.  He was just another innocent
who worked in someone else's pornography shop and kept
copies of all the boss's records for later use against his
boss.

Sorry about that confusion Eric.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:43:11 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Sotiris,

I believe that through some quirck of fate you posted this to the GA.

My record as a criminal defense attorney, a Jag Representative, or a prosecuter of civil
matters is of no interest to this group except that it partially explains my compassion for
human plight.  Yes the man you mention was a client who was badly abused by the porno
industry, but I do believe we recovered for him and created precedence to cease worker abuse
in such environs.

Unless it is brought to the forefront by brave men such as you refer to, abuse of laborers
in such heinous areas of commerce never come to light.  It is a scourge which due to my ill
health I was forced to give up the battle against.  But don't you worry; a little bout with
stage four non-hodgkins lymphoma with pancreatic involvement ain't goin ta keep this old boy
down.

Now I do not take on Juries and Judges but the cause of dotcommoners.

Peace be with you my friend and may tomorrow bring an even better day than today.

Eric

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> > Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > Well what sounds like to you is totally wrong.  "Who you going to believe me or your
> > > eyes"  ;>}
> >
> > Well, if the question has to do with trusting a shyster like
> > yourself who defended criminal pornographers (and is now
> > claiming to represent dotcommoners), then I have no problem
> > saying: NEITHER.
>
> My apologies to Eric Dierker.  The man he represented was
> not a criminal pornographer.  He was just another innocent
> who worked in someone else's pornography shop and kept
> copies of all the boss's records for later use against his
> boss.
>
> Sorry about that confusion Eric.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:55:06 -0800
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ICANN MdR meeting - Good process than comes good substance to: [ga]  icannworld.org

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Sotiris,
>
> I believe that through some quirck of fate you posted this to the GA.
>
> My record as a criminal defense attorney, a Jag Representative, or a prosecuter of civil
> matters is of no interest to this group except that it partially explains my compassion for
> human plight.

When you took up the bar oath, you became accountable to the
public.  I believe it is relevant as a statement of
character that you were suspended for five years by the
state bar for a number of ethical violations regarding
clients but mainly for drinking too much and inhaling too
much "nose candy."  

Now, I might be going out on a limb here, but it seems to me
you weren't handed the pornographer case by accident.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:21:18 +1100
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] .BIZ Scams ==>> NewRegistryDomains.com Junk Mail

These .BIZ scams will never end !!

The following junk mail from NewRegistryDomains.com has the message:

> We strongly oppose the continued sending of unsolicited email and do not
want
> to send email to anyone who does not wish to receive our special mailings.
As a
> result, we have retained the services of an independent 3rd party to
administer our
> list management and removal services.

The link is to http://www.autoemailremoval.com/cgi-bin/remove.pl for which
the connection fails "(110) connection timed out".

The domain name "newregistrydomain.com" is registered to:

Administrative Contact:
      Registrar, Domain  (XYZX3906)  [email-masked]
      629 - 465 NE 181st Avenue
      Portland, OR 97230
      US
      (PH) 670-3611
NS1.GIGENET.COM              66.28.91.30
NS2.GIGENET.COM              66.28.91.31

And the "autoemailremoval.com" to:

Administrative Contact:
      Dubek, Peter  (PETDUB4)  [email-masked]
      41 Martinska ulica
      Zilina, Zilina 010 08
      US
      (PH) 041-5650789
NS1.GIGENET.COM              66.28.91.30
NS2.GIGENET.COM              66.28.91.31

Since the street address for "autoemailremoval.com" is no doubt a fake and
both Admin Contacts use Yahoo! for their email, I would question the
integrity of their list management and removal service.  Both domain names
show the same set of servers casting doubt on their proclaimed
"independence".

I suppose it's a bit much to ask ICANN, or anybody else, to care about it.

So can anything be done ??

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:44:24 PM -0000
To: [email-masked]
From: "NewRegistryDomains.com" <[email-masked]>
Subject: 00:00:01 EST Status : LIVE
Organization:

> NewRegistryDomains.com.BIZ IS NOW LIVE! November 7, 2001
>
>
>
>                         Status Alert:
>                         .BIZ is NOW LIVE!
>
>                         The new .BIZ domain extension was officially
launched today, and new registrations are already on a record-setting pace.
Several sites have just made .BIZ available to the general public which
means that ordinary internet users can register this exciting new domain
without the cumbersome paperwork. One such popular site is:
http://www.NewRegistryDomains.com/
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>                                 The Benefits:
>
>                                 .BIZ aims to be the quintessential domain
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domain directly addresses the growing need for new generic domain names to
eventually replace .COM as the Internet most widely used domain name. The
benefits to go .BIZ are clear:
>
>
>                                 a.. abundant availability of easy to
remember and practical domain names
>
>                                 b.. technically recognized across the
Internet's DNS
>
>                                 c.. short and catchy extension
>
>                                 d.. affordable registration fees and
simplified registration procedures
>
>                                 Register Today!
>
>
>
>                         Brief History
>                         Back in November, 2000, ICANN, the regulatory
agency which oversees the Internet's Domain Name System, approved seven new
domain extensions to meet growing demand from the consumer and business
sectors. Since the new extensions were first announced last year, experts
have widely expected .BIZ to become the most popular of the new extensions
and to eventually supercede .COM. The .BIZ registry will be managed by
upstart NeuLevel, in direct competition with the former monopoly of Network
Solutions. .BIZ represents the first new generic domain name to be
introduced since .COM was first launched in 1984. In the ten year span
between 1984 and 1994, less than one million .COM domains were registered in
total. Today, the registration total for .BIZ will have already exceeded one
million. How times have changed.
>
>
>                               "Establishing a .biz domain name also will
help companies cut through the .com clutter. More than 28 million .com names
have already been registered. Since the .com domain covers so many sites
serving so many different purposes, it's impossible to know whether a
particular .com address represents a bona-fide business. In contrast, .biz
means business, period."
>
>                               - Chicago Tribune, August 22, 2001
>
>
>                               To register a new .BIZ extension, you will
simply need to check the availability of your domain name at:
http://www.NewRegistryDomains.com/ and then register it using the easy 3
step process which takes less than 5 minutes.
>
>                                 Register Today!
>
>
>
>                         *We strongly oppose the continued sending of
unsolicited email and do not want to send email to anyone who does not wish
to receive our special mailings. As a result, we have retained the services
of an independent 3rd party to administer our list management and removal
services Click Here This is not unsolicited email. If you do not wish to
receive further mailings, please click this link. The removal administrator
can then preclude your email address from future mailings. Auto Email
Removal Company. Ref# 011005
>

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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:42:03 -0800
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] .BIZ Scams ==>> NewRegistryDomains.com Junk Mail

Wednesday, Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 4:21:18 AM, Patrick Corliss wrote:

> I suppose it's a bit much to ask ICANN, or anybody else, to care about it.

Outside their scope of authority (as it should be).

> So can anything be done ??

Hit delete.  Adjust your mail filters accordingly.

If you feel like you must do something, find the upstream providers
for each site and raise a stink, at least you have a good chance of
getting that site shut down (though they will open up somewhere else
tomorrow).

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