Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #838
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GA-DIGEST          Thursday, November 8 2001          Volume 01 : Number 838

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:28:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick H Wesson <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [icann-announce] ICANN Meeting 12-15 November - Preregistration Deadline Tomorrow (fwd)

Pre-Register or you can't physically attend.

- -rick

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Subject: [icann-announce] ICANN Meeting 12-15 November - Preregistration
    Deadline Tomorrow

IMPORTANT REMINDER for those planning to attend next week's ICANN
meeting in Marina del Rey, California, USA:  Pre-registration will close
at 9:00 am US Pacific Time (17:00 UTC) on Thursday November 8th. All
registrations must be confirmed by 12:00 noon US Pacific Time (20:00
UTC) on the same day (November 8th). No pre-registrations or
confirmations will be accepted after that time.

Online pre-registration page:  <http://register.icann.org/register.php>.

As always, the ICANN meeting is open and community participation is
encouraged. Anyone can attend and there is no registration fee. However,
because of the special nature of the agenda for this meeting and because
of heightened security concerns, pre-registration will be required to
attend this meeting. No one will be allowed to participate who has not
pre-registered.

For full meeting details, including updated schedules, agendas, and
information on speakers and panelists, see the meeting homepage:
<http://www.icann.org/mdr2001>

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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:49:22 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] The "Official" ALSC Report is Posted

><snip>
>The recommendations in this report should not be adopted by the Board 
>without serious improvement.
>
>The proposals on how to cast the future distribution of Board seats in 
>stone are beyond the scope of the Committee's study mandate and a 
>permanent minority position on the Board as envisaged for ICANN's members 
>is not exactly the place to be when you want to have input in DNS policy.
>
>My conclusion, now more than ever, is that the Individual Domain Name 
>Holders must get their representation in the DNSO, in balance with the 
>registration provider industry.
>
>--Joop

Additionally, Joop, more Partnerships and Corporations should become 
involved in the BC & ISPCP to balance out the Bandwidth/Telephone Company 
strongholds.

~k

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:14:19 -0500
From: "Ben Edelman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] FW: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be Webcast and Archived

I know some folks here were interested in this.  See below.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben Edelman [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:07 PM
To: Preregistrants to Attend ICANN-MDR Meetings via Webcast
Subject: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be Webcast and
Archived

Greetings!

You are receiving this message because you preregistered to attend ICANN's
November 12-15 meetings via webcast.  As a result, we wanted to let you know
about
additional sessions now scheduled to be webcast.  In particular, new
additions to
the webcast schedule include the November 12 sessions of the DNSO Names
Council
and DNSO General Assembly.

As previously scheduled, the webcast will also include plenary sessions of
the
ICANN Community Meeting on November 13 and 14, as well as Public Forums on
November 11 and 15, and the Board Meeting on November 15.

The full webcast schedule is available at
<http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001>, along with links to convert
meeting
start times to local time in your area.

In preparation for the webcast, you may wish to review the technical
requirements
for the meeting, as posted at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/>.
Access to the live audio and video streams requires the RealPlayer (version
5.0 or
later) or the Windows Media Player (version 6.4 or later).  Access also
requires a
28.8Kbps connection to the Internet, and full access to certain portions of
the
remote participation system requires a web browser with Java and Javascript
support.

ICANN has posted a number of supporting documents on
<http://www.icann.org/mdr2001>.  You may find it helpful to review these
materials
before sessions begin.

We look forward to seeing you online.

Ben Edelman
Berkman Center for Internet & Society
Harvard Law School

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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:14:20 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Sabatoge from within/security from ourselves

I am beginning to see a clear pattern within the numerous lists which I
monitor and the couple I participate in that indicates that while we
have the top down prevention of users being represented we also have a
digital divide trying to prevent it yet a little less honestly.

Over the past few months I have noticed more and more reference to the
given fact that many highly trained technical people really do harbor
disdain for those who are not so trained.  I see evidence of it on these
lists everyday. (kind of like the divide between Doctors and
Nurses/enlisted and officers/haves and haves not)  We often see Lawyers
and Priests develop this same holier than thou attitude.  Car mechanics
develop it sometimes but I note that the successful shops have a go
between, between the customer who says "it goes ping ping ping up the
hill" and the master mechanic.  In developing web sites we use middle
men between our customers and techies but generally we train our techies
to speak in "ping ping ping" eese.

This is supposed to be the GA of the Domain Name Support Organization.
I know that it is correct to say that domain names are used so we do not
have to get technical, otherwise we would all be running around buying
protocol numbers and marketing 307 849 2 40.

I am becoming less certain that I want a bunch of intellectual snobs
having seats on the board rather than a bunch of business folks that at
least realize public opinion counts and they at least don't try to
attack the user.

{don't worry this will be a very short thread because I have reached way
back to my Juris Doctorate and Philosophy training [sophistry] to write
this in a way to where - if you attack it you are proof of intellectual
snobbery}

Sincerely
Eric

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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:02:48 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be Webcast and Archived

Excellent! Where did the funding come from for the GA session in the end?

By the way folks, I believe you can't even attend the remote sessions
unless you pre-register.

Regards,
Joanna

on 11/7/01 10:14 PM, Ben Edelman at [email-masked] wrote:

> I know some folks here were interested in this.  See below.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Edelman [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:07 PM
> To: Preregistrants to Attend ICANN-MDR Meetings via Webcast
> Subject: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be Webcast and
> Archived
> 
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> You are receiving this message because you preregistered to attend ICANN's
> November 12-15 meetings via webcast.  As a result, we wanted to let you know
> about
> additional sessions now scheduled to be webcast.  In particular, new
> additions to
> the webcast schedule include the November 12 sessions of the DNSO Names
> Council
> and DNSO General Assembly.
> 

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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 02:26:53 -0500
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be	Webcast and Archived

The website states that pre-registration for remote attendees is optional, 
but preferred.  It gives Ben, et al some idea of the number of 
connections needed and traffic expectations.  It takes only a minute to 
do it, so why not?

Leah

On 8 Nov 2001, at 3:02, Joanna Lane wrote:

> Excellent! Where did the funding come from for the GA session in the end?
> 
> By the way folks, I believe you can't even attend the remote sessions
> unless you pre-register.
> 
> Regards,
> Joanna
> 
> on 11/7/01 10:14 PM, Ben Edelman at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > I know some folks here were interested in this.  See below.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Edelman [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:07 PM
> > To: Preregistrants to Attend ICANN-MDR Meetings via Webcast
> > Subject: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be Webcast and
> > Archived
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings!
> > 
> > You are receiving this message because you preregistered to attend
> > ICANN's November 12-15 meetings via webcast.  As a result, we wanted to
> > let you know about additional sessions now scheduled to be webcast.  In
> > particular, new additions to the webcast schedule include the November 12
> > sessions of the DNSO Names Council and DNSO General Assembly.
> > 
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:25:48 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] correction: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be Webcast and Archived

Apparently I am mistaken, you can attend the remote sessions
without pre-registration. Apologies.

Regards,
Joanna

on 11/7/01 10:14 PM, Ben Edelman at [email-masked] wrote:

> I know some folks here were interested in this.  See below.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Edelman [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:07 PM
> To: Preregistrants to Attend ICANN-MDR Meetings via Webcast
> Subject: UPDATE: ICANN-MDR01 - Additional Sessions to be Webcast and
> Archived
> 
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> You are receiving this message because you preregistered to attend ICANN's
> November 12-15 meetings via webcast.  As a result, we wanted to let you know
> about
> additional sessions now scheduled to be webcast.  In particular, new
> additions to
> the webcast schedule include the November 12 sessions of the DNSO Names
> Council
> and DNSO General Assembly.
> 

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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:12:28 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] The "Official" ALSC Report is Posted

"Established only three years ago, the Internet Corporation for Assigned 
Names and Numbers (ICANN) has been entrusted with the important tasks of 
promoting the Internet's stability and dynamism as it rapidly evolves as 
the world's most important infrastructure"

... were did they got that from?
ICANN fictions or IANA functions?
Jefsey

On 17:54 07/11/01, Kristy McKee said:
>Cute.
>
>~k
>
>At 11:54 PM 11/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>>http://www.atlargestudy.org/final_report.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:16:46 +0100
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] The "Official" ALSC Report is Posted

On 01:49 08/11/01, Kristy McKee said:
>Additionally, Joop, more Partnerships and Corporations should become 
>involved in the BC & ISPCP to balance out the Bandwidth/Telephone Company 
>strongholds.

Will YOU join us? Or is that your business prevents you too to become a Member?
Jefsey

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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 04:50:40 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] These pesky dotBIZ names

Some of you will want to not reply to my reply address because it will
resolve to another dotBIZ.

So now will someone go and register with the other dotBiz my dotBiz name
in order to steal my email and or business from the other address?

Oh don't worry about my reputation, my dotBiz domain name is held in
trust so that I am still a dotcommoner without a domain name, and
ineligible to vote in the AL or join the IDNO.  Funny I am the one most
effected by the dual resolution of GodBless but I have no voice.

My trust also tried to preregister domain names under dotBIZ but the
accredited register from ICANN ended up not being an affiliate so we
paid the money for preregistration but they could not be submitted, it
took so long for it all to happen that the chargeback period expired =
no recourse.  (ah not to worry in our case because we really did know
what we were doing, but how sad for those who did not)

Well, what can I say, GodBless!

Eric

ps. If three people ask on this list that I remove my reply address
because it is causing server confusion I will happily oblige.  But it
must be public and it may not be anonymous.

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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 05:27:49 -0800
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [Fwd: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: More on SVPA]

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Jeff Williams forwarded this to me,

I certainly am not on anything close to the lists referred to.

So I assume he sent it to me to illustrate just how correct I am about
ego driven highly trained technical folks running the lower workings of
ICANN for their own self aggrandizement.

God forbid you have dotcommoners folks running the show, people who just
want to see dotBIZ resolve properly, people who just want a more
equitable balance in the UDRP.

No far better we have people fighting about who got dibs for the best
chair in the clubhouse.

Eric

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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:38:25 -0800
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Organization: INEGroup Spokesman
To: Dave Crocker <[email-masked]>
CC: Milton Mueller <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: More on SVPA

Dave and all,

Dave Crocker wrote:

> At 10:59 AM 11/7/2001 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
> > >>> "Alejandro Pisanty - CUAED y FQ, UNAM" <[email-masked]>
> > 11/06/01 12:55AM >>>
> >Can we face the fact that you tried to kick out Dave and couldn't
> >this time, and go on with our other subjects? Like, would the
> >
> >Alejandro:
> >Wrong. "Discuss" is an open list.
>
> Alejandro did not mention or imply the Discuss list.  He said you tried to
> kick me out. That is what you tried.  Nothing very complicated about this,
> either:

  ANd Milton was right to do so as well.  You Dave, have a clear conflict
of interest with being both a NCC member and in a position of some
minor importance with Nuestar and SVPAL, a commercial
organization/company.

>
>
> 1.  Your note was sent to SVPAL management.  That it was COPIED the discuss
> list is nice but irrelevant.

  Again I disagree here as well.  It should have been copied to this forum
for purposes of notification.  Milton did that properly.

>
>
> 2.  Your note asserted that SVPAL needed to replace me; it asked no
> questions and invited no discussion.  So there was nothing about that note
> that matches what you are now claiming.

  It does need to replace you or you need to leave the NCC.

>
>
> 3.  You used "we" twice, very clearly implying that your note represented a
> group action, though it turns out that you were not.  That was a
> straightforward misrepresentation.

  Perhaps you are correct here..

>
>
> 4.  My relationship with Neustar was neither new nor unknown, so there was
> no legitimate basis for your issuing your personal challenge at that
> time.  No reason, that is, other than as a response to my own call for YOUR
> replacement.

  Yes there was Dave.  It is clear again that you have a clear conflict of
interest.
You know it, Milton knows it, and I suspect  most NCC members know it.

>
>
> 5.  It is interesting that you are carefully avoiding response to any of
> these details, though they have been offered more than once.
>
> >No one gets kicked
> >off, so Crocker's status as a representative of
> >SVPA is immaterial to his participation.
>
> As noted, that was not Alejandro's point.  Please respond to the real point
> he was correctly making which is that you personally sought to have me
> replaced.

  As he should have.

>
>
> >This is not about Crocker. I could care less about
> >him; as I have noted repeatedly I filter his messages
> >after years of experience with his abusive methods
> >and unconstructive dialogue.
>
> For someone who cares so little about me, your efforts to denigrate me are
> wonderfully consistent.

  Pot, kettle black.

>
>
> It is clear, of course, that this was a personal vendetta by you and
> nothing else.

  I don't see it that way at all.  However I can see how you might.

>  It is a shame that you lack the integrity to admit it and
> apologize for abusing your formal position within the constituency.

  No abuse was effected.  Milton acted quite properly.

>
>
> >I am, however, concerned about the broader
> >issue of people who have agendas that are unrelated
> >to their participation in some nonprofit organization,
> >and join NCDNHC under subterfuges.
>
> If you were concerned about such things, you would have raised them as
> questions to the constituency.  That is not what you did at all.  There is
> nothing in your posting to SVPAL that asked or pursued questions or
> discussion.  Feel free to offer proof otherwise.

  No discussion was or seems necessary.

>
>
> Had you been interested in discussing an issue, you also would not have
> taken peremptory action with SVPAL management and misrepresented the
> situation as if it were a formal decision by NCC management.
>
> >We do have settled policy on how to handle this
> >problem when the representative is the same person as
> >the rep for another constituency.
>
> However, of course, that has nothing to do with me or your vendetta attack
> on me.
>
> >We do not have settled policy on Crocker-like cases.
>
> Whatever that means, it sure sounds serious.  Whatever that means.

  It may be.  It also should be IMHO.

>
>
> d/
>
> ----------
> Dave Crocker  <mailto:[email-masked]>
> Brandenburg InternetWorking  <http://www.brandenburg.com>
> tel +1.408.246.8253;  fax +1.408.273.6464
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> [email-masked]
> http://www.icann-ncc.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 05:24:33 -0800 (PST)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Reliability of the Internet - the silent battle - part 2

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:

> Hold on guys! The shell was there but the virus wasn't. It was a message
> that showed an attachment, without the attachment.

You think perhaps the people who claim to run the internet should know how
to do so Roeland?

I find the response to your comment ROFL'ing. Most of the time (er..
almost all of the time) the main part of a position description is knowing
about, and how to perform, the duties of that position - but not here at
ICANN, no siree bob ;)

I nominate myrtle the tyrtle. She may only be a reptile, but she can
certainly do just as well as anyone else ICANN appoints for itself (and
she eats pond-scum too so maybe that will cut down on the budget). 

> 
> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:[email-masked]]
> |> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:32 PM
> |> To: GA DNSO (E-mail)
> |> Subject: [ga] Reliability of the Internet - the silent 
> |> battle - part 2
> |> 
> |> 
> |> This is an example of something that didn't survive my 
> |> filters. I looked at
> |> the attachement, it wasn't spam. Rather, it was an attached virus.
> |> 
> |> I have included the traceroute for validation. It 
> |> purportedly came from
> |> china. The point is that, file attachments are becoming a 
> |> less reliable
> |> means to distribute documents.
> |> 
> |> --- techies-only below here ---
> |> 
> |> pheonix:/root
> |> Tue Nov  6 13:07:51 [bash:root:59]#> traceroute 211.101.48.83
> |> traceroute to 211.101.48.83 (211.101.48.83), 30 hops max, 40 
> |> byte packets
> |>  1  spkez.gw.mhsc.net (216.27.184.225)  5 ms  3 ms  2 ms
> |>  2  gw-081-176.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (216.27.176.1)  27 ms  
> |> 21 ms  33 ms
> |>  3  border3.fe5-3.speakeasy-9.sff.pnap.net (216.52.86.28)  
> |> 19 ms  21 ms  19
> |> ms
> |>  4  core1.fe0-1-bbnet2.sff.pnap.net (216.52.80.65)  20 ms  
> |> 21 ms  20 ms
> |>  5  sl-gw12-sj-1-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.217.17)  22 ms  
> |> 20 ms  21 ms
> |>  6  sl-gw12-sj-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.145)  25 ms  22 
> |> ms  32 ms
> |>  7  sl-bb20-tac-11-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.9.214)  56 ms  
> |> 39 ms  41 ms
> |>  8  sl-gw4-tac-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.17.6)  38 ms  41 ms  40 ms
> |>  9  * sle-chinatelecom-3-0.sprintlink.net (160.81.25.6)  443 ms *
> |> 10  p-13-0-r1-c-bjbj-1.cn.net (202.97.33.9)  502 ms  303 ms  200 ms
> |> 11  p-2-0-r1-a-bjbj-2.cn.net (202.97.38.50)  188 ms  201 ms  219 ms
> |> 12  202.96.12.50 (202.96.12.50)  287 ms  324 ms  271 ms
> |> 13  202.106.193.206 (202.106.193.206)  199 ms  195 ms  196 ms
> |> 14  202.108.254.75 (202.108.254.75)  199 ms  197 ms  196 ms
> |> 15  211.101.63.2 (211.101.63.2)  500 ms  505 ms  514 ms
> |> 16  211.101.63.9 (211.101.63.9)  229 ms  230 ms  231 ms
> |> 17  211.101.48.83 (211.101.48.83)  530 ms  553 ms  565 ms
> |> 
> |> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> Received: from junhoo.com (211.101.48.83 [211.101.48.83]) by 
> |> condor.mhsc.com
> |> with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 
> |> 5.5.2650.21)
> |> 	id TTWMVQKL; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:04:47 -0800
> |> Received: from CR380220-A.etob1.on.wave.home.com [24.101.18.46] by
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 05:41:52 -0800 (PST)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] Reliability of the Internet - the silent battle -  part 2

On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:

> |> From: William X Walsh [mailto:[email-masked]]
> |> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:02 AM
> |> 
> |> Wednesday, Wednesday, November 07, 2001, 3:04:31 AM, Roeland 
> |> Meyer wrote:
> 
> |> > My filters had already renamed it to the DAT type, which 
> |> is a non-executable
> |> > type under windows, and I manually deleted the attachment 
> |> from the message.
> |> > Apparently, that was unsuccessful. If Norton detected it 
> |> then either NAV is
> |> > using external message data or I indeed failed to remove 
> |> the attachment.
> |> 
> |> It must have used the external data, my copy that come from the list
> |> did not have the attachment.
> 
> Thanks William. This indicates a problem with NAV. It's not the first time
> that NAV has shown false-positives. Only binary scans of the actual
> attachment is valid. Basing detection on external data isn't. I'm glad to
> hear that my kill methods worked though, as I said, I wont be doing that
> again soon. I am saddened to hear that Norton Anti-Virus, any edition, may
> not be adequate.
> 

There was no virus - Peter said he was 'cleaning' his NT boxes. There is
no way to clean them - Period. You have to start all over preferably
repartitioning and then format/install.

Peter uses NAV corp, which doesn't effectively stop NIMDA (which is the
only thing out there right now that would cause him to stay up day and
night trying to 'clean' his NT Box.

The 'fixnimda' tool avaiable from SARC doesn't shore up the root'ing of
your NT box - NIMDA is gone, but the leftovers of root kit is just waiting
for the next NIMDA to compromise your box again.

Symantec and Carnegie Mellon say to completely re-inistall or suffer your
customers the consequences and they are right.

Gartner Group says stop using IIS.

> It does prove another point, however, that there is no magic bullet for
> these things. MHSC servers withstood Code Red and Nimda attacks, for two
> solid weeks, that were sufficiently severe to use 80% of our WAN bandwidth,
> 24x7x2. It was a PITA, but I let it run because the servers seemed to be
> holding up well. Good architecture and systems policies are the only real
> answer and that takes a knowlegable hand at the tiller. A "magic" program,
> by itself, isn't going to save your servers. They have flaws too.
> 
> Now that I've left everyone with that comforting thought, g'night all.
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:22:26 -0600
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] The "Official" ALSC Report is Posted

Jefsey, I think this paragraph is the result of someone's "wet dream".

At 07:12 AM 11/8/2001 +0100, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>"Established only three years ago, the Internet Corporation for Assigned 
>Names and Numbers (ICANN) has been entrusted with the important tasks of 
>promoting the Internet's stability and dynamism as it rapidly evolves as 
>the world's most important infrastructure"
>
>... were did they got that from?
>ICANN fictions or IANA functions?
>Jefsey
>
>On 17:54 07/11/01, Kristy McKee said:
>>Cute.
>>
>>~k
>>
>>At 11:54 PM 11/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>>>http://www.atlargestudy.org/final_report.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:24:25 +0100
From: "DNSO Secretariat" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] NC revised agenda MdR 12 November 2001

[ To: [email-masked] ]
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[ cf. http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011112.NCmdr-agenda.html ]

ICANN/DNSO

   DNSO Names Council Marina del Rey Meeting on 12 November 2001 - agenda

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

26 October 2001
07 November revised version

This agenda was established according to the Rules of Procedure for the DNSO
Names Council http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010711.NCprocedures-v3.0.html

Date and time

  1. The DNSO Names Council meeting in Marina del Rey will be held on 12
     November 2001, 14:00 - 17:00, [@ Marina Beach Marriott, Catalina Room]
     .

     (14:00 Los Angeles, 17:00 New York, 22:00 UTC, 23:00 CET, 11:00
     Auckland next day)

     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Local time between 30 October 2001 and end March 2002.
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Reference (Coordinated Universal Time)     UTC         22:00
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     California, USA                            UTC-8+0DST  14:00
     Missouri, USA                              UTC-6+0DST  16:00
     Monterrey, Mexico                          UTC-6+0DST  16:00
     Panama, Panama                             UTC-5+0DST  17:00
     Washington DC, USA                   (EST) UTC-5+0DST  17:00
     St.Thomas, Virgin Islands                  UTC-4+0DST  18:00
     Santiago, Chile                            UTC-4+1DST  19:00
     Buenos Aires, Argentina                    UTC-3+0DST  19:00
     Nouakchott, Mauritania                     UTC+0+0DST  22:00
     London, United Kingdom                     UTC+0+0DST  22:00
     Brussels, Belgium                    (CET) UTC+1+0DST  23:00
     Barcelona, Spain                     (CET) UTC+1+0DST  23:00
     Frankfurt, Germany                   (CET) UTC+1+0DST  23:00
     Paris, France                        (CET) UTC+1+0DST  23:00
     Seoul, Korea                               UTC+9+0DST   7:00 next day
     Tokyo, Japan                               UTC+9+0DST   7:00 next day
     Hobart, Australia                         UTC+10+1DST   9:00 next day
     Auckland, New Zealand                     UTC+12+1DST  11:00 next day
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     The DST starts/ends on last Sunday of March 2002, 2:00 or 3:00 local
time
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     For other places see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

     Please visit http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/schedule.htm for details
     about all ICANN meetings (schedule, agendas, meeting rooms, hotels,
     visas, etc.)

  2. The NC will be webcast by Berkman Center, thanks to Ben Edelman
     [email-masked]

     Access will be via http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/ as
     usual. You will find on Berkman site all information about technical
     requirements.

     In summary a 28.8 Kbps connection is required for access to live and
     archived streaming media feeds (56K or faster preferred). The necessary
     software is the RealPlayer version 5.0 or later (version G2 or later
     preferred) or the Microsoft Windows Media Player (version 6.4 or
     later).

  Agenda

  1. Roll call

  2. Adoption of minutes of October 11, 2001 teleconference
     http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011011.NCteleconf-minutes.html

  3. At-large - session with ALSC - 30 mins
     http://www.atlargestudy.org/draft_final.shtml

  4. Transfers - NC resolution (Marilyn) - 40 mins

  5. IDN - NC resolution (Elisabeth) 10 mins

  6. Adoption of Final report from the review task force (Philip) - 10 mins
     http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/doc00013.doc

  7. Dot Org interim report - comments (Milton) - 10 mins.
     http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc06/msg00142.html
     http://www.dnso.org/dnso/dnsocomments/comments-dotorg/Arc01/

  8. GAC reaction to NC resolution - probable informal dialogue with GAC
     member (Philip) - 20 mins
     http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011026.gac-answer-NCresol.html

  9. TF and other status reports - 30 mins
        o WhoIs (Paul Kane nominee)
        o UDRP (Caroline)

http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.NC-tor-UDRP-Review-Evaluation.html
        o Structure (Philip)
        o ICANN TLDs (YJ)

 10. Security meeting preparation (Philip) - 10 mins

 11. AOB

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