Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #821
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GA-DIGEST           Sunday, October 28 2001           Volume 01 : Number 821

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] WIPO Arbitrators Stern In Domain 'Hijacking' Rulings

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Sandy Harris wrote:

> Arguably, we'd be better to just scrap UDRP entirely and let trademark
> issues go back to the courts where they belong, but if we're going to

That's exacty what we've done. Put the dispute issues where they belong -
in the courtroom.

http://www.PacificRoot.com/ddrp_current.shtml

Perhaps ICANN can learn by example? Nah, that dog won't hunt.

Bradley D. Thornton
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

Yes Danny,

This is indeed a glorius day, as ICANN has affirmed that it represents
only it's own interests, and in no way seeks to foster any sort of open
cooperation with the Global Internet Community at large.

Small wonder ICANN is becoming disenfranchised from the mainstream of
Internet development so rapidly eh?

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 [email-masked] wrote:

> Dear members,
> 
> It is my duty as your Chair to report on recent events.  As many of you know, 
> the General Assembly will be meeting on the evening of November 12 from 8PM 
> to 11PM.  The new.net organization kindly offered to sponsor our session by 
> providing food and beverage during our meeting (which comes at the end of a 
> very long day of back-to-back meetings).  
> 
> Protocol required that I contact Mary Hewitt as per the instructions posted 
> at http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/  because "Starting with the Marina Del Rey 
> 2001 meeting, there will be a new format for sponsorship opportunities for 
> this ICANN meeting."
> 
> Ms. Hewitt rejected the sponsorship application of new.net citing the fact 
> that they did not support the authoritative root.
> 
> I sent a reconsideration request to Stuart Lynn.  Mr. Lynn responded that "we 
> place bounds around whom we accept as sponsors. And new.net does not fit the 
> package."
> 
> On the 1st of December 1955, Mrs. Rosa Parks, an African-American seamstress, 
> was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for failing to let a white bus rider take 
> her seat.   Today, ICANN has proven that discrimination is still very much 
> alive, and that there is no longer any room on the bus for those that don't 
> share the same views as ICANN staff.  
> 
> Although our Memorandum of Understanding with the US Department of Commerce 
> states:  "Neither Party, either in the DNS Project or in any act related to 
> the DNS Project, shall act unjustifiably or arbitrarily to injure particular 
> persons or entities or particular categories of persons or entities," recent 
> ICANN actions, from the issuance of ICP-3 to this sponsorship denial, make it 
> clear that ICANN is indeed acting to injure a particular cartegory of 
> entities.  
> 
> I thank new.net for demonstrating its commitment to participation in the 
> ICANN process and for its support of the General Assembly.  It is to our 
> shame that such efforts at participation are routinely being denied by those 
> charged with the coordination activities of the Internet.  This is a sad day 
> in our history, and I mourn the death of the concept of "fairness".  
> 
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:50:10 -0700
From: "Michael F. McNulty" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

Danny:
I can't imagine why you would want to be hosted by someone
who wants to undermine everything that has made the Internet
such a success.
Michael McNulty

[email-masked] wrote:

> Dear members,
>
> It is my duty as your Chair to report on recent events.  As many of you know,
> the General Assembly will be meeting on the evening of November 12 from 8PM
> to 11PM.  The new.net organization kindly offered to sponsor our session by
> providing food and beverage during our meeting (which comes at the end of a
> very long day of back-to-back meetings).
>
> Protocol required that I contact Mary Hewitt as per the instructions posted
> at http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/  because "Starting with the Marina Del Rey
> 2001 meeting, there will be a new format for sponsorship opportunities for
> this ICANN meeting."
>
> Ms. Hewitt rejected the sponsorship application of new.net citing the fact
> that they did not support the authoritative root.
>
> I sent a reconsideration request to Stuart Lynn.  Mr. Lynn responded that "we
> place bounds around whom we accept as sponsors. And new.net does not fit the
> package."
>
> On the 1st of December 1955, Mrs. Rosa Parks, an African-American seamstress,
> was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for failing to let a white bus rider take
> her seat.   Today, ICANN has proven that discrimination is still very much
> alive, and that there is no longer any room on the bus for those that don't
> share the same views as ICANN staff.
>
> Although our Memorandum of Understanding with the US Department of Commerce
> states:  "Neither Party, either in the DNS Project or in any act related to
> the DNS Project, shall act unjustifiably or arbitrarily to injure particular
> persons or entities or particular categories of persons or entities," recent
> ICANN actions, from the issuance of ICP-3 to this sponsorship denial, make it
> clear that ICANN is indeed acting to injure a particular cartegory of
> entities.
>
> I thank new.net for demonstrating its commitment to participation in the
> ICANN process and for its support of the General Assembly.  It is to our
> shame that such efforts at participation are routinely being denied by those
> charged with the coordination activities of the Internet.  This is a sad day
> in our history, and I mourn the death of the concept of "fairness".
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:51:09 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

Saturday, Saturday, October 27, 2001, 12:48:23 PM, [email-masked] wrote:

> On the 1st of December 1955, Mrs. Rosa Parks, an African-American seamstress,
> was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for failing to let a white bus rider take 
> her seat.   Today, ICANN has proven that discrimination is still very much 
> alive, and that there is no longer any room on the bus for those that don't 
> share the same views as ICANN staff.  

You do insult to the civil rights movement to compare to the two,
Danny.  I expected more of you.

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:52:52 -0400
From: Dan Steinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

Danny,

I read the instructions posted about 'Starting with...'
Starting with the Marina Del Rey 2001 meeting, there will be a new format for
sponsorship opportunities for this ICANN
         meeting. This is in response to feedback that we have received from the
constituencies and the community. It is our hope
         that this will offer proper visibility for those who chose to support
our meeting, while preserving its neutrality for all
         participants.

         All sponsors will have their logos appear on the ICANN website and
during breaks on the meeting screens. A table will be
         provided for distribution of literature for sponsors only. Additional
recognition of sponsorship is listed below in the
         description of each level. An organization that is not a sponsor will
not be permitted to distribute materials in the meeting
         area.

         Three levels of sponsorship are available:

              Top-Level: US$15,000 – Booth/table in meeting area for entire
meeting *

              Second-Level: US$10,000 – Booth/table in meeting area for one day *

              Third-Level: US$5,000 – Signage on coffee break tables

         * For this meeting, top-level sponsors will also be designated as
sponsors of a special event to be announced later; and
         second-level sponsors will also be designated as a co-sponsors of an
ICANN meeting reception.

         If you are interested in becoming a sponsor or would like more
information, please contact Mary Hewitt at 310-301-5801 or
         at [email-masked].

Where above did you see the need to contact ms. hewitt?  I agree the ICANN
decision sucks, but did it even have to come up?
They were sponsoring a specific session with a non-monetary contribution. Doesnt
appear to fit into any of the above categories. what am I missing?

[email-masked] wrote:

> Dear members,
>
> It is my duty as your Chair to report on recent events.  As many of you know,
> the General Assembly will be meeting on the evening of November 12 from 8PM
> to 11PM.  The new.net organization kindly offered to sponsor our session by
> providing food and beverage during our meeting (which comes at the end of a
> very long day of back-to-back meetings).
>
> Protocol required that I contact Mary Hewitt as per the instructions posted
> at http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/  because "Starting with the Marina Del Rey
> 2001 meeting, there will be a new format for sponsorship opportunities for
> this ICANN meeting."
>
> Ms. Hewitt rejected the sponsorship application of new.net citing the fact
> that they did not support the authoritative root.
>
> I sent a reconsideration request to Stuart Lynn.  Mr. Lynn responded that "we
> place bounds around whom we accept as sponsors. And new.net does not fit the
> package."
>
> On the 1st of December 1955, Mrs. Rosa Parks, an African-American seamstress,
> was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for failing to let a white bus rider take
> her seat.   Today, ICANN has proven that discrimination is still very much
> alive, and that there is no longer any room on the bus for those that don't
> share the same views as ICANN staff.
>
> Although our Memorandum of Understanding with the US Department of Commerce
> states:  "Neither Party, either in the DNS Project or in any act related to
> the DNS Project, shall act unjustifiably or arbitrarily to injure particular
> persons or entities or particular categories of persons or entities," recent
> ICANN actions, from the issuance of ICP-3 to this sponsorship denial, make it
> clear that ICANN is indeed acting to injure a particular cartegory of
> entities.
>
> I thank new.net for demonstrating its commitment to participation in the
> ICANN process and for its support of the General Assembly.  It is to our
> shame that such efforts at participation are routinely being denied by those
> charged with the coordination activities of the Internet.  This is a sad day
> in our history, and I mourn the death of the concept of "fairness".
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:13:17 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[email-masked]>
>
> I thank new.net for demonstrating its commitment to participation in the
> ICANN process and for its support of the General Assembly.  It is to our
> shame that such efforts at participation are routinely being denied by
those
> charged with the coordination activities of the Internet.  This is a sad
day
> in our history, and I mourn the death of the concept of "fairness".
>

Who do you think is "charged with the coordination activities of the
Internet" ?

If you think ICANN is, then, in my opinion, that may be where your bus took
a wrong turn. I doubt that anyone would trust coordination activities of the
Internet
to a group that knows so little about the Internet and clearly does not use
it very much.
ICANN is a face-to-face, old-school, let's have a meeting in meat-space
crowd.
If I recall, you seemed to be in the middle of that in Sweden. 99.9% of the
rest of the
Internet was busy doing other things. They are charged with the coordination
activities
of the Internet, not ICANN.

Until the time comes and you join with that 99.9% and take real actions such
as
developing or installing new software, or building a company to serve the
current
market demands, etc. you will be stuck riding at the back of the ICANN bus,
which in my opinion is going no where of any interest to 99.9% of the
Internet
users in the world.

Jim Fleming
Protect your valuable .COM Name...on the Next Generation Internet
http://www.DOT-BIZ.com/COM
0:201 - COM World

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:57:52 -0700
From: Joe Kelsey <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] No room on the bus

[email-masked] writes:
[so-called "chair" blathering deleted]

Danny,

Once again you prove that you are not fit to be the "chair" of the GA.
The "alt-chair" already resigned, maybe it is time for you to do so
also.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICANN enforcing the authoritative
root.  There simply is no other root.  All of these pretenders are
simply trying to create a new Internet gold rush and have no claim to
legitimacy and should be discouraged from perpetuating their con-game on
naive internet users.

Good show ICANN, bad show Younger.

/Joe
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:12:07 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

Michael and all assembly members,

Michael F. McNulty wrote:

> Danny:
> I can't imagine why you would want to be hosted by someone
> who wants to undermine everything that has made the Internet
> such a success.
> Michael McNulty

  He doesn't and they don't.  I think that Danny made that point, although
indirectly, quite clear.  Thank you Danny!

>
>
> [email-masked] wrote:
>
> > Dear members,
> >
> > It is my duty as your Chair to report on recent events.  As many of you know,
> > the General Assembly will be meeting on the evening of November 12 from 8PM
> > to 11PM.  The new.net organization kindly offered to sponsor our session by
> > providing food and beverage during our meeting (which comes at the end of a
> > very long day of back-to-back meetings).
> >
> > Protocol required that I contact Mary Hewitt as per the instructions posted
> > at http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/  because "Starting with the Marina Del Rey
> > 2001 meeting, there will be a new format for sponsorship opportunities for
> > this ICANN meeting."
> >
> > Ms. Hewitt rejected the sponsorship application of new.net citing the fact
> > that they did not support the authoritative root.
> >
> > I sent a reconsideration request to Stuart Lynn.  Mr. Lynn responded that "we
> > place bounds around whom we accept as sponsors. And new.net does not fit the
> > package."
> >
> > On the 1st of December 1955, Mrs. Rosa Parks, an African-American seamstress,
> > was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for failing to let a white bus rider take
> > her seat.   Today, ICANN has proven that discrimination is still very much
> > alive, and that there is no longer any room on the bus for those that don't
> > share the same views as ICANN staff.
> >
> > Although our Memorandum of Understanding with the US Department of Commerce
> > states:  "Neither Party, either in the DNS Project or in any act related to
> > the DNS Project, shall act unjustifiably or arbitrarily to injure particular
> > persons or entities or particular categories of persons or entities," recent
> > ICANN actions, from the issuance of ICP-3 to this sponsorship denial, make it
> > clear that ICANN is indeed acting to injure a particular cartegory of
> > entities.
> >
> > I thank new.net for demonstrating its commitment to participation in the
> > ICANN process and for its support of the General Assembly.  It is to our
> > shame that such efforts at participation are routinely being denied by those
> > charged with the coordination activities of the Internet.  This is a sad day
> > in our history, and I mourn the death of the concept of "fairness".
> >
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:15:42 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

WXW and all assembly members,

William X Walsh wrote:

> Saturday, Saturday, October 27, 2001, 12:48:23 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
>
> > On the 1st of December 1955, Mrs. Rosa Parks, an African-American seamstress,
> > was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for failing to let a white bus rider take
> > her seat.   Today, ICANN has proven that discrimination is still very much
> > alive, and that there is no longer any room on the bus for those that don't
> > share the same views as ICANN staff.
>
> You do insult to the civil rights movement to compare to the two,
> Danny.  I expected more of you.

  We [INEGroup] disagree with your assessment here WXW.  Not surprising
of course.  But none the less the comparison Danny made is quite a good
one IOHO.  Of course others mileage may very...

>
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:27:40 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN's ALSC catching some media heat - ICANN Stifling Public's Voice? 

All assembly members and or other interested parties and/or
stakeholders,

  As many of you here in the GA know and have been very nicely
participating, the ALSC's Final Draft report has come under
some serious question by you here and many others not on
this forum.  Internetnews.com put out an article very recently
covering this controversy.
See: http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_911711,00.html

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:50:45 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

http://atlargestudy.org/forum_archive/msg01122.shtml
From: DannyYounger 
Subject: [ALSC-Forum] Extremism 
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:14:20 -0700 

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Kelsey" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: [ga] No room on the bus

> [email-masked] writes:
> [so-called "chair" blathering deleted]
> 
> Danny,
> 
> Once again you prove that you are not fit to be the "chair" of the GA.
> The "alt-chair" already resigned, maybe it is time for you to do so
> also.
> 
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICANN enforcing the authoritative
> root.  There simply is no other root.  All of these pretenders are
> simply trying to create a new Internet gold rush and have no claim to
> legitimacy and should be discouraged from perpetuating their con-game on
> naive internet users.
> 
> Good show ICANN, bad show Younger.
> 
> /Joe
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:55:14 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Kelsey" <[email-masked]>
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICANN enforcing the authoritative
> root.  There simply is no other root.  All of these pretenders are
> simply trying to create a new Internet gold rush and have no claim to
> legitimacy and should be discouraged from perpetuating their con-game on
> naive internet users.
>

From....Dan McCullough

Decided I would send Ms Hewitt an email..
maybe if the regular folk like myself let them know (individually) that we
are happy and plan on spending our money here instead of at ICANN authority
domains she may see the futuire and slowly decide to abandon the sinking
ship that is ICANN and consider her own self intrest might be better served
..serving the future of domains..New.Net ..

BID

BTW. after some consideration..went ahead and reg in-addr.auction..

MS Hewitt,

As a new.net customer I would ask that you at least take the time to look at
what New.Net is allowing us small fry to do and to recognize that the larger
corporation s are already recognizing the future of New.Net (whether ICANN
is their or not) you can browse and find all kinds of examples such as
this:http://www.new.net/search_whois.tp?domain=att&tld=inc

..Become active members of the internet with domain names that make sense.

In 1995 I underwent a doublelung transplant and have always wanted to start
a simple informative site about what one waiting for an transplant could
expect..

New.Net enabled me to provide a useful site with a domain that people would
actual have an idea of what the site would be before they even get to it..

I registered

http://Transplant.med

I started a Poster site for some extra cash

http://Poster.inc

I am working on a Kids site..

http://Booger.Kids

and a 20 some others others..

I am extremely happy that 70 million browsers can see New.Net domains with
out adding the new.net extension..their growth continues at a phenomenal
pace and 100 million browsers will be availble by years end..

Might I suggest that ICANN may very well find it self in the same boat as
Apple Computer when they insisted on not sharing their machinme code for
software developers ..

Microsoft ran over Apple because the market demands were not being met by
the tightnit -closed -minded -protective - greed laced -power control
approach of Apple.

Contrary to what advise is being sent your way by certain people..you may
want to consider that the mass of consumers always ends up winning.

It would be nice to have someone with your qualifications to recognize this
inevitability and join the New.Net community....

A Domain world that makes sense because thats where the massess are headed
and thats where the money is going..thats where my money is going... AT&T
seems to have no difficulty seeing the Market..

Thank You for your time...
Dan McCullough

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN Director Says Multitple roots are a, "Good thing"... (fwd)

Oopsie!

freudian slip I suppose ;) It's [email-masked] not .Gov or .Mil right?

Bradley D. Thornton
Chief Technology Officer
The PacificRoot/Joint Technologies Ltd.
http://www.PacificRoot.com
http://www.JointTech.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:35:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: ICANN Director Says Multitple roots are a, "Good thing"...

Kristy,

I've put together a couple of links for you real quick, and will look
around if I have more time an gather more specifics regarding the
non-issues that Karl Auerbach associates with multiple instances of
colliding TLDs.

Karls stance on this centers around "viability" of these colliders,
meaning that the ones that share the greatest degree of acceptance are the
ones that the majority of the existing competing roots will provide
delegation to the particular TLD Servers for those respective TLDs.

That having been said, it is particularly noteworthy that:

1.) Many of the "pre-registration" centers utilizing the illegal lottery
based scheme encouratged by ICANN have admitted that they have not had the
success they were promised by ICANN due to the existance of the original,
authentic, and legitimate .BIZ operated by ARNI. Speculators simply are
not buying into a real estate market created by ICANN for no good reason
that, due to the collision created by ICANN will bear little fruit for
these speculators - especially when they can have a real .biz domain
simply by registering it instead of standing in line for a pretender that
can't guarantee they'll get anything :)

2.) almost all of the twelve major competing root systems in existance
(ICANN, although the Alternate, deprecated root system, being included in
that list) have decided NOT to provide resolution for the colliding
pretender which ICANN was hoping to make money on from the kickbacks they
recieve.

http://beautiful.ewe/cavebear/growl/issue_2.htm#multiple_roots

http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-c/Arc00/msg01465.html

http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-c/Arc00/msg01452.html

Of course, you will probably need to upgrade your DNS to that of The
PacificRoot if you want to be able to see the first link, since that is
Karls personal website and is under his own TLD (.EWE) which means that if
you can't see the whole "Inclusive Name Space" you obviously will not be
able to see this site operated by the ICANN director himself - simply
because the Alternate, deprecated ICANN legacy system is not Authoritative
for the entire Internet namee Space, while The PacificRoot is the
Authoritative root for, and completely "Inclusive" of,  the entire
Internet name space (Precisely what Karl talks about in the first link).

Be patient, as Karl's site is a little slow, perhaps he hosting it on a
DSL or dialup connection nowadays.

Enjoy :) 

Bradley D. Thornton
Chief Technology Officer
The PacificRoot/Joint Technologies Ltd.
http://www.PacificRoot.com
http://www.JointTech.com

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:51:34 -0400
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

Joe Kelsey wrote:
> 
> [email-masked] writes:
> [so-called "chair" blathering deleted]
> 
> Danny,
> 
> Once again you prove that you are not fit to be the "chair" of the GA.
> The "alt-chair" already resigned, maybe it is time for you to do so
> also.

Methinks you overstate, but then so did Danny.
 
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICANN enforcing the authoritative
> root.  There simply is no other root.  All of these pretenders are
> simply trying to create a new Internet gold rush and have no claim to
> legitimacy and should be discouraged from perpetuating their con-game on
> naive internet users.

Yes.
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:38:05 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] No room on the bus

Jim and all assembly members,

  Yep!  It is doubtful that this could have been put any simpler or
more exacting either.  Well Done Jim!  Unfortunately our fellow
sometime participant, Joe Kelsey seems to have missed the point
entirely yet again.

Jim Fleming wrote:

> http://atlargestudy.org/forum_archive/msg01122.shtml
> From: DannyYounger
> Subject: [ALSC-Forum] Extremism
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:14:20 -0700
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Kelsey" <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:57 PM
> Subject: [ga] No room on the bus
>
> > [email-masked] writes:
> > [so-called "chair" blathering deleted]
> >
> > Danny,
> >
> > Once again you prove that you are not fit to be the "chair" of the GA.
> > The "alt-chair" already resigned, maybe it is time for you to do so
> > also.
> >
> > There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICANN enforcing the authoritative
> > root.  There simply is no other root.  All of these pretenders are
> > simply trying to create a new Internet gold rush and have no claim to
> > legitimacy and should be discouraged from perpetuating their con-game on
> > naive internet users.
> >
> > Good show ICANN, bad show Younger.
> >
> > /Joe
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:57:42 -0700
From: "David Hernand" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] No room on the bus

Danny:

Thanks much for your posting.  The facts you describe are truly remarkable.
Moreover, such facts are particularly ironic in light of ICANN's willingness
to accept our sponsorship of the ICANN meeting in Montevideo and the
following personal note of thanks that we received from Stuart Lynne earlier
this month:

***********************
- -----Original Message-----
From: M. Stuart Lynn [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:57 AM
To: Brad.Copeland
Subject: Thank you

Dear Brad:

I would like to thank you and your colleagues at New.Net for your
sponsorship of ICANN's recent meetings in Montevideo.

I am sure that all attendees were grateful for your generous
contribution. We appreciate it.

With regards
Stuart
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__________________
Stuart Lynn
President and CEO
ICANN
4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
Marina del Rey, CA 90292
Tel: 310-823-9358
Fax: 310-823-8649
Email: [email-masked]

**********************

Apparently, the ICANN staff's views change with the wind, and Mr. Lynn's
level of appreciation for our past support does not extend to future
meetings or perhaps just meetings of the GA -- we can't be sure!  One must
really wonder what public benefit is served by denying constructive
participation by persons with different viewpoints.

Best regards,

David Hernand
CEO
New.net

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[email-masked]
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:48 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] No room on the bus

Dear members,

It is my duty as your Chair to report on recent events.  As many of you
know,
the General Assembly will be meeting on the evening of November 12 from 8PM
to 11PM.  The new.net organization kindly offered to sponsor our session by
providing food and beverage during our meeting (which comes at the end of a
very long day of back-to-back meetings).

Protocol required that I contact Mary Hewitt as per the instructions posted
at http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/  because "Starting with the Marina Del Rey
2001 meeting, there will be a new format for sponsorship opportunities for
this ICANN meeting."

Ms. Hewitt rejected the sponsorship application of new.net citing the fact
that they did not support the authoritative root.

I sent a reconsideration request to Stuart Lynn.  Mr. Lynn responded that
"we
place bounds around whom we accept as sponsors. And new.net does not fit the
package."

On the 1st of December 1955, Mrs. Rosa Parks, an African-American
seamstress,
was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for failing to let a white bus rider
take
her seat.   Today, ICANN has proven that discrimination is still very much
alive, and that there is no longer any room on the bus for those that don't
share the same views as ICANN staff.

Although our Memorandum of Understanding with the US Department of Commerce
states:  "Neither Party, either in the DNS Project or in any act related to
the DNS Project, shall act unjustifiably or arbitrarily to injure particular
persons or entities or particular categories of persons or entities," recent
ICANN actions, from the issuance of ICP-3 to this sponsorship denial, make
it
clear that ICANN is indeed acting to injure a particular cartegory of
entities.

I thank new.net for demonstrating its commitment to participation in the
ICANN process and for its support of the General Assembly.  It is to our
shame that such efforts at participation are routinely being denied by those
charged with the coordination activities of the Internet.  This is a sad day
in our history, and I mourn the death of the concept of "fairness".

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