Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #817
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GA-DIGEST           Friday, October 26 2001           Volume 01 : Number 817

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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:42:02 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN funds free lunch for the press

Sorry, have to attend Mass.

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, at 19:51 [=GMT-0400], Joanna Lane wrote:

> Wednesday October 24, 3:09 pm Eastern Time
> 
> Press Release
> 
> SOURCE: ICANN
> 
> ADVISORY/ICANN Open House for Reporters on
> Nov. 11
> 
> 
> ICANN's Open House for Reporters
> 
>    WHERE:
>    ICANN's Office -- 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330, Marina del Rey,
>    CA 90292
> 
> WHEN: 
> 
> November 11th (Sunday)
> 
> 9:30am to 6pm 
> 
>    WHO:
>    Invited and pre-registered reporters only
> 
> HOW to Register: 
> 
> Contact Mary Hewitt ([email-masked]) to RSVP and to
>   (optionally) schedule an interview with Stuart Lynn. (Mary's
> 
> direct line: 310/301-5801)
> 
>    DETAILS:
>    The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is
>    having an open house for California technology reporters at ICANN's
>    offices on Sunday, November 11. (That's the day before ICANN's
>    November meetings begin (13th - 15th.)
> 
> We're inviting reporters to visit us here in our ``domain.'' You'll
> 
> be able to check out our ``headquarters'' and meet informally (on
> 
> background) with ICANN's staff and management.
> 
>    There will also be an (optional) session with some of our
>    technical experts where you can get answers to your questions about
>    how the Internet really works. Also, you can set an appointment for
>    one-on-one interview (on the record) with ICANN's President & CEO M.
>    Stuart Lynn.
> 
> We'll be open all day, from 9:30 am to 6 pm. If you're around at
> 
> lunchtime, you can grab a bite with the staff and Stuart. The
> 
> special technical session on Internet names and numbers will be
> 
> held after lunch, from 1 pm to 2 pm.
> 
>    We hope to see you here. Please give me a call or an email to let
>    me know if you plan to attend. (Also, please be sure you've
>    pre-registered for the ICANN Meetings...for security reasons we're
>    requiring all attendees, including members of the press, to
>    register in advance.)
> 
> Thank you for your attention. Hope to see you on the 11th. Don't
> 
> hesitate to call if you have any questions.
> 
> 
> Contact: 
> 
>      ICANN
>      Mary Hewitt, 310/301-5801
>      [email-masked]
> 
>                        
> 
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:00:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FYI:  .KIDS and both .BIZs

I was asked to put the download link for the plug-in near the top so
everyone wouldn't have to read the whole document, so here it is ;)

http://www.PacificRoot.com/updatedns.shtml 

(and select automatic upgrade, and either save to disk or install from
d/l - yes you can uninstall it too from control panel=>add/remove
programs). Yes it works with newnet domains too ;)

the best part is, it makes a great stocking stuffer for friends and family
around Christmas time.

Now you truly have two .BIZs :)

enjoy :)
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, PacificRoot Hostmaster wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > 10:00 a.m. in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building
> > The Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet legislative hearing 
> > scheduled for Thursday, October 25, 2001 has been rescheduled for Thursday, 
> > November 1, 2001, at 10:00 a.m. in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building. This 
> > hearing is on H.R. 2417, the “Dot Kids Name Act of 2001.” Witnesses will be 
> > by invitation only.
> 
> Not to worry, this hearing will take place for us :)
> 
> Just part of the process to reign in the maverick ICANN for its refusal to
> delegate or even recognize legitimate TLDs such as this .KIDS that has
> existed for several years and is of course provided to the Global Internet
> Community as a public service of The PacificRoot.
> 
> Nothing new here, ICANN either bows in dishonor and admits the TLDs we've
> been carrying for years (.KIDS being one of them) or they continue to lose
> market share as a deprecated system for DNS resolution.
> 
> The problem has to do with the colliders - meaining the ones introduced by
> ICANN (.BIZ, for example).
> 
> But that solution has been worked out as well, Thanks to the public
> suggestions by Karl Auerbach offering that there isn't any reason why
> there can't be several root systems with colliding TLDs. 
> 
> Although we DO NOT think this is okay, it is a reality, and the nice thing
> about technology is that you use it to adapt to the way that things are. 
> 
> ICANN has declared that they are only responsible for what is in their
> root, and continuing on in that vein they have demonstrated to the world
> that they thing it is okay to have multiple instances of TLDs emanating
> from different sets of Authoritative TLD Servers. Actions speak louder
> than words, and those are ICANN's actions.
> 
> Our words have been saying to you all that this is not okay, even though
> as Karl Auerbach as pointed out on several occasions it presents no
> problem whatsoever. Our Actions, however, say, "If that's the way you want
> it, that's the way you'll get it ICANN."
> 
> Bear in mind that The PacificRoot and the TLD Holders for any of the
> original, legitimate TLDs that ICANN has introduced colliders with "ARE
> NOT" approved or sanctioned in any way by The PacificRoot. That having
> been said, it is also general knowledge that The PacificRoot, as part of
> it's mission, is to provide DNS resolution for ALL TLDs. 
> 
> Although by directly upgrading your DNS you will not have to worry about
> being directed to the unauthorized and what we consider illegitimate
> colliders introduced by IANN, in keeping with our commitment in being the
> root of choice for ISPs and users alike the world over, we found it
> neccessary to offer the "choice" that many people may want to have with
> regards to the collider issue.
> 
> The PacificRoot continues to gain worldwide acceptance and preference over
> that of the Alternate, deprecated ICANN legacy system for this elementary
> principle, and also continues to forge strategic Partner alliances with
> other sensible organizations around the globe.
> 
> One of these Strategic alliances has produced the first and only browser
> plug-in that enables the user themselves to make their own choices as to
> which instance of a colliding SLD.TLD they wish to see. This plug-in
> effectively corrects problems imposed by blocks, proxies, AOL
> deficiencies, and other dificulties that the consumer may face due to the
> security threats that ICANN has decided to introduce to the Internet.
> 
> The Plug-in also auto-upgrades itself via a live update like feature so
> that ICANN can introduce as many colliders as they like and ALL TLDs will
> still be supported.
> 
> Nothing really beats straight DNS and using the correct resolvers, but
> this is a great solution for people who base their systems on Microsoft
> Win32 Operating systems (All of them) and it easier to install than Real
> Player - and we all know how easy that is :)
> 
> You can get it here: http://PacificRoot.com/updatedns.shtml
> 
> All Domains, All the World, All the Time :)
> 
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> 
> Bradley D. Thornton
> Chief Technology Officer
> The PacificRoot/Joint Technologies Ltd.
> http://www.PacificRoot.com
> http://www.JointTech.com
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http://www.JointTech.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:03:24 +0200 (MET DST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] FYI:  .KIDS and both .BIZs

I use pacificroot DNS, not your plug-in.
Could you please explain me why I get Afilias .info domains and domainisland .info names.
www.info takes me to domainisland
nic.info takes me to afilias

Thanks!

I was asked to put the download link for the plug-in near the top so
everyone wouldn't have to read the whole document, so here it is ;)

http://www.PacificRoot.com/updatedns.shtml 

(and select automatic upgrade, and either save to disk or install from
d/l - yes you can uninstall it too from control panel=>add/remove
programs). Yes it works with newnet domains too ;)

the best part is, it makes a great stocking stuffer for friends and family
around Christmas time.

Now you truly have two .BIZs :)

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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:22:17 -0400
From: Mark Bohannon <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] fyi & question!

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The draft statement has been posted on the ALSC forum for discussion.

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Update your records ....  As of September 1, I can be reached at:
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From: Joanna Lane [mailto:[email-masked]]
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Subject: Re: [ga] fyi & question!

Dear Mr. Bohannon,
In your capacity as Secretary of the Intellectual Property Constituency,
could you please explain why you have a copy of a Draft Resolution for the
ICANN Board relating to the formation of our new At Large Supporting
Organization and where this originated from?

Thank you.
Regards,
Joanna

on 10/25/01 4:43 PM, [email-masked] at [email-masked] wrote:

> Sandy,
> 
> Mark Bohannon is the Secretary of the Intellectual Property Constituency
> http://www.dnso.org/constituency/ip/ip.html
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:08:25 -0400
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] FW: ANNOUNCE: ICANN Marina del Rey Meetings, November 12 -15, 2001

Webcasting sponsorship has historically been sponsored by individual
companies.  VGRS has often been a sponsor.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joanna Lane [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:01 PM
> To: Ben Edelman; [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; Gomes, Chuck
> Subject: Re: [ga] FW: ANNOUNCE: ICANN Marina del Rey 
> Meetings, November
> 12-15, 2001
> 
> 
> I believe VeriSign has underwritten the webcast/ remote 
> participation costs
> in the past. Perhaps Chuck Gomes would be willing to comment on this?
> 
> Regards,
> Joanna
> 
> on 10/24/01 8:13 PM, Ben Edelman at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > To date, I have not received a request from Philip 
> Sheppard, in his capacity
> > of chair of the Names Council, for the GA and NC sessions 
> to be webcast,
> > though I believe that Phil is aware of this issue.  I 
> understand that Philip
> > and the Names Council are likely evaluating the possibility 
> of a webcast
> > here, but I can't speak to the specifics; perhaps they'll jump in to
> > explain.
> > 
> > In addition to the need for a request from the NC, there's 
> also an issue of
> > funding: As many on this list may already know, the Names 
> Council ordinarily
> > provides ICANN with funding to defray a portion of webcast 
> expenses.  So far
> > as I know, from briefly reviewing the Names Council's 
> mailing list archives
> > (<http://www.dnso.org/dnso/ncarchives.html>), the Names 
> Council has to date
> > neither allocated such funds, nor arranged an outside 
> sponsor for this
> > purpose.
> > 
> > If Berkman Center staff is not asked by the responsible 
> person or entity --
> > Philip and the Names Council, in this case -- to webcast 
> the sessions and to
> > facilitate remote participation, archival, and other 
> services, it's doubtful
> > that we'll do so.  Furthermore, if the DNSO does not 
> provide funding to
> > ICANN to defray these expenses, as has been the case at prior ICANN
> > meetings, it's uncertain that we'll be able to do the work 
> even if asked.
> > 
> > 
> > So, Joanna, to answer your first specific question: At this 
> time, I cannot
> > confirm that the GA and NC sessions will be webcast.  So 
> far as I know, no
> > decision has yet been reached, one way or the other, on 
> this subject.  Of
> > course, I remain hopeful that this will work out for the 
> best, as it has at
> > the past eleven meetings at which the Berkman Center has 
> provided meeting
> > support services (<http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/>).
> > 
> > 
> > I can, however, confirm that the November 12 Public Forum 
> on At Large
> > Participation will be webcast.  Note its inclusion on
> > <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001/> (first row of 
> the meeting
> > table).
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > Ben Edelman
> > Berkman Center for Internet & Society
> > Harvard Law School
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:35 PM
> >> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> >> Subject: Re: [ga] FW: ANNOUNCE: ICANN Marina del Rey 
> Meetings, November
> >> 12-15, 2001
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Ben,
> >> For the avoidance of doubt, can you please confirm that 
> provision has been
> >> made for webcast and remote participation for both the GA 
> session and the
> >> preceeding At Large Session?
> >> 
> >> Thank you.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Joanna
> >> 
> >> on 10/24/01 7:35 PM, Ben Edelman at [email-masked] wrote:
> >> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Ben Edelman [mailto:[email-masked]]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:29 PM
> >>> To: All Webcast Participants in Prior ICANN Meetings
> >>> Subject: ANNOUNCE: ICANN Marina del Rey Meetings, 
> November 12-15, 2001
> >>> 
> >>> Greetings!
> >>> 
> >>> Because you participated remotely in one or more prior ICANN
> >> meetings, ICANN
> >>> would like to remind you of its upcoming meetings to be held in
> >> Marina del
> >>> Rey, California on November 12-15, 2001.  More 
> information about the
> >>> meetings is available at <http://www.icann.org/mdr2001>.
> >>> 
> >>> If you plan to attend in person, please preregister via
> >>> <http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/#preregistration>.  NOTE: 
> New for this
> >>> meeting, free preregistration is required for meeting 
> attendance and
> >>> admission.  Preregistration also helps local organizers anticipate
> >>> attendance and allows you to be kept up to date with logistical
> >> updates as
> >>> they become available.
> >>> 
> >>> Webcast sessions tentatively include Public Forums 
> (November 12 and 15),
> >>> Community Meetings (November 13 and 14), and a meeting of the
> >> ICANN Board of
> >>> Directors (November 15).  For more information about the
> >> webcast, including
> >>> technical requirements to participate, see
> >>> <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/mdr2001>.  If you plan to
> >> participate by
> >>> webcast, please preregister using
> >>> <http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/#preregistration> to be kept up
> >> to date with
> >>> logistical and technical updates as available, as well as 
> to receive
> >>> announcements just before the start of each webcast session.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Finally, if you are not already subscribed to ICANN's
> >> announcements list,
> >>> you may want to join it.  Subscription instructions are at
> >>> <http://www.icann.org/announcements>.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Ben Edelman
> >>> Berkman Center for Internet & Society
> >>> Harvard Law School
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:44:36 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Songbird in the BC?

Dear Jeff,
Kent is perfectly eligible to share in the NCDNHC as a represenative for 
the non-profit yachclub he is a member. Members of the BC or of the DNHC 
are not the individuals but the organizations. Can be Members of the BC:

- - every business organizations except those representing ISP, registry, 
registrars and IP firms so BC does not compete with the other constituencies.
- - every business of more than one year of age and is not predominantly a 
Registry, a Registrar or an ISP. Others may become observers.

What counts in the BC is not what someone does, but what is the business 
area of who pays him/her and the tearly fee.

I note that New.net has perfectly the right to become a BC Member if being 
in business for more than one year, otherwise the BC would acknowledge they 
are a Registry (i.e. that their TLDs are valid TLDs for them). They 
obviously are but this contradicts the BC position on ICP-3.

Jefsey

On 23:43 25/10/01, Jeff Williams said:
>James and all assembly members,
>
>   No you can belong to more than one constituency, but can only
>vote as a member of one constituency.  But this really isn't what
>is in question with respect to Kent Crispin's Songbird.com.  The
>concern is that how can Kent be a member of both the BC
>and the NCDNHC constituencies when his enterprise is obviously
>a FOR PROFIT organization?  It would seem in that Songbird.com
>is NOT a non-profit organization and therefore should not be a
>member of the NCDNHC or if it is registered as a non-profit
>than he should not be a member of the BC under the songbird.com
>organization...
>
>   However this does not preclude Kent from belonging to two
>constituencies per se.  But he seems to have done so improperly,
>and I think he knows this as does the BC principals.  Hence it
>would seem inconsistent that this should be allowed and the
>ICANN BoD in it's oversight capacity should instruct
>the BC to clarify why Kent under songbird.com is a member
>and in what status, or instruct the BC principals to take action
>to correct this problem forthwith.
>
>   My guess is that the ICANN BoD had no idea that this situation
>existed, but it should have, and that it has no intention of addressing
>this problem in it's oversight capacity in the near term, if at all....
>
>   BTW, we have discussed this concern when the formation of
>the Constituency's were under way and that this was commonly
>considered one method that could be used to "Stack the Deck"
>so to speak so as to allow for certain participants or types of
>participants to have an unfair advantage over others for the
>purposes of policy decision making and consensus determination.
>
>James Love wrote:
>
> > How many constituencies can you belong to?  I thought it was just one.
> > Jamie
> >
> > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> > > The following is one of the finest examples of elitist crap one can 
> find.  I can
> > > just see this - Old chap smoking a fancy pipe while directing his boy 
> to clean
> > > his eight iron,  "but of course anyone can join the club old 
> boyo,  Oh and by
> > > the way here is a statement regards ISPs my barrister drew up for 
> your ignorant
> > > understanding"
> > >
> > > Get a grip Crispin your elitist days are numbered.  Tell us about the 
> Yacht Club
> > > deal.  Tell us about your consultancy with ICANN - how about a financial
> > > disclosure?
> > >
> > > Better yet disclose your relationship with the executive committee of 
> our BoD.
> > > Is there a stipend that the GA could use associated with such 
> services.  While
> > > Roberts tells us that ICANN cannot support a GA or an AL tell us how 
> much they
> > > afford on your services.  And you are a member of two Constituencies?
> > >
> > > Come clean or drop your comments Mr. lonely bird.  I used to think 
> that what you
> > > do is your business but now I see that you take money that could allow
> > > individual users a voice on the Internet.  I hope you sleep well.
> > >
> > > Quite Sincerely,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > Kent Crispin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:34:38PM -0400, [email-masked] wrote:
> > > > > Jefsey, you indicated that Songbird recently became a member of the
> > > > > business constituency.  The Songbird website
> > > > > http://songbird.com/songbird/index.html seems to indicate that the
> > > > > company is primarily an ISP.
> > > >
> > > > ISP's, by the definition used in the ISP and BC constituency,
> > > > fundamentally provide internet connectivity to end users.  Songbird 
> does
> > > > not provide internet connectivity to anyone.  Instead, Songbird's
> > > > services are limited to website hosting, design, development, and
> > > > consulting.  Entities that provide these services are sometimes loosely
> > > > referred to as ISPs, because the term "ISP" is used differently by
> > > > different people.  But as it is used in ICANN, Songbird is not an ISP.
> > > > (There is another term common in the business, "Internet Presence
> > > > Provider").
> > > >
> > > > > How then can it be a full member of the BC
> > > > > instead of merely an admitted observer?
> > > >
> > > > You could have figured this out yourself, but of course that would not
> > > > serve your purpose.
> > > >
> > > > > BC Charter:  "Legally recognized for-profit business enterprises 
> that have
> > > > > been in business for less than one year and companies whose 
> predominant
> > > > > business is to be a registry, a registrar or an ISP cannot have full
> > > > > membership status, but may become observers."
> > > > >
> > > > > I seems that Kent has developed the knack of being in a number of
> > > > > constituencies simultaneously while the rest of us remain 
> unrepresented.
> > > > > Interesting.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is interesting.  It proves that the claims that you and others
> > > > make about being unrepresented are simply bogus noise.  Anyone who
> > > > seriously wants to participate can do so.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> > > > [email-masked]                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:23:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: PacificRoot Hostmaster <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FYI:  .KIDS and both .BIZs

Yes, We're trying to accommodate non-colliding SLD.TLDs at this time where
possible.

For tech support issues, or general questions, it's best to direct queries
to our Hostmaster Team, [email-masked], as we don't monitor
this list very often for anything other than political follies :) 

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 [email-masked] wrote:

> I use pacificroot DNS, not your plug-in.
> Could you please explain me why I get Afilias .info domains and domainisland .info names.
> www.info takes me to domainisland
> nic.info takes me to afilias
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> I was asked to put the download link for the plug-in near the top so
> everyone wouldn't have to read the whole document, so here it is ;)
> 
> http://www.PacificRoot.com/updatedns.shtml 
> 
> (and select automatic upgrade, and either save to disk or install from
> d/l - yes you can uninstall it too from control panel=>add/remove
> programs). Yes it works with newnet domains too ;)
> 
> the best part is, it makes a great stocking stuffer for friends and family
> around Christmas time.
> 
> Now you truly have two .BIZs :)
> 

Bradley D. Thornton
Chief Technology Officer
The PacificRoot/Joint Technologies Ltd.
http://www.PacificRoot.com
http://www.JointTech.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:13:31 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] 0:212 BIZ Update

There are 107 TLDs with dual or triplicate registries.
.BIZ is one of them.
http://root-dns.org/ZoneExchange/AIS.txt
; biz. = 2

<SLD>.BIZ entries for both registries can point to the same NS pair
on the "toy", experimental, proof-of-concept, IPv4-based Internet.
This tests the concept of redundancy. Redundancy makes for a more
reliable system overall. If not properly configured, any simplex or
redundant system can be made to appear unreliable. If people are
going to be able to migrate from the proof-of-concept Internet to
the real Internet, they have to be prepared to deal with serious
system architectures, which have provided the extremely reliable
phone communications around the world.

Once the .BIZ zone is matured, the <SLD>.BIZ entries can advance
to the Next Generation Internet, which can now be more easily built
with the release of Windows XP and IPv6 using "IPv8 Addressing".
Different .BIZ servers will be required, because IPv4 systems can not
talk to native IPv6 systems. <SLD>.BIZ entries can be easily checked
for coherance via software, before being allowed to be entered into
the IPv6 systems.

Jim Fleming
http://www.IN-ADDR.info
Why Gamble on a .BIZ Lottery? Start a Real .BIZ Today !
http://www.DOT-BIZ.com
0:212 - BIZ World

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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:10:12 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] 0:212 BIZ Update

Friday, Friday, October 26, 2001, 8:13:31 AM, Jim Fleming wrote:

> There are 107 TLDs with dual or triplicate registries.
> .BIZ is one of them.
> http://root-dns.org/ZoneExchange/AIS.txt
> ; biz. = 2

I rest my case.

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