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GA-DIGEST           Monday, October 22 2001           Volume 01 : Number 808

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:04:22 +0200
From: "Charles Shaban" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: RE: Re[2]: [ga] Ballot question

Dear GA,

I agree with this too, but add to it to have the ballot separated
(maybe some will not agree on all the points together nor disagree on
all).

Regards

Charles Sha'ban
[email-masked]
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[email-masked] writes:
>I agree that Joop's online voting booth has proved helpful in the
>past. I
>leave it up to others about whether a ballot is needed... I've
>already voted
>publically...  but note again that others may prefer a secret
>ballot. 
>
>But I leave this up to the Chair and others to determine. 

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:21:20 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Outreach/Multilingualism and Finance (wg-review results)

In case anyone doubts the bona fides of the TOKTEN project, a
web search on the term produces many, many involved countries,
and chief among the sites noted is http://www.unv.org/, wherein
"unv" means "United Nations Volunteers." Another informative
site is http://www.unv.org/about/undp.htm, wherein "undp" is
"United Nations Development Programme."

However, Eric's explanation of how that model is to be
followed in another project that is evidently to be given
to ICANN or the GA, or what company has expended
$100k on "it," or what the Internet Cafe has to do with any
of that, is less than clear.  So please explain, Eric, from the
ground up, so we'll know what's going on. What is "it?"
What specifically would it do?

(Danny's web site is certainly a step in the right direction,
but it is also clearly a work in progress -- alphabetically
by .XX country designations, the active links end at .IL
(Israel).)

Bill Lovell

Eric Dierker wrote:

> Dear Members,
>
> I apologize for the tardiness of this report.
>
> A little under a year ago in the WG-Review Mr. Greg Burton assigned me
> the task of Outreach/Multilingualism.  He advised not to let it die with
> the WG.  Our small company has contributed in time and asset resource
> usage over $100k to the project.  The idea was to seek and find and then
> develop a global network for inclusion of the dotcommoner into the
> politics of the Internet.  (make no mistake that is what ICANN results
> in)
>
> Outreach is not a problem but we are at a point where we may need
> financing.
>
> Please review this site, not for country specifics but for the system
> and methodology.
> http://www.tokten-vn.org.vn/
> In some hybrid sense this will be incorporated and probably partnered
> with the UN.
>
> Please put Internet Cafe into your favorite search engine.  We believe
> now that there may well be over a million known and 1.5 including those
> not licensed or registered. In all of the hundreds I have visited they
> have multilinguals who are more than happy to translate.  {Vint's
> comments on accuracy justifying exclusion are bull}
> We are convinced that while we reach globalization, the community
> surrounding and supporting these places (sometimes called pc rooms or
> bangs or even bars) will reflect community views in voting. We will need
> great input on the communiqués going to such places so as to accurately
> reflect our consensus - or not.
>
> Now please visit our Danny's web site at
> http://www.icannworld.org/icannworld.htm
> Here the participating cafes will contribute to translation and
> community input.  Referring back to the Tokten model we hope to create
> cooperation by bringing people back to their roots and propagating
> cultural adoption.
> We already have it working in the shoeshine boy model.
>
> I think all of you intelligent folks can understand that within just a
> short period of time we of the GA will be able to reach millions with a
> fair amount of accuracy.  Those we reach will be from all over the globe
> and generally dotcommoners.  This will give backbone to Roeland's
> motion.  This can force implementation of a true AL.  This can be the
> bedrock for a true democracy on the net.
>
> FINANCE
>
> Any one can see that this valuable resource should be able to finance
> itself through a corporate sponsorship in exchange for an honorable
> mention within our correspondence with the people we target. (wouldn't
> afilias be funny but they have the funding and by contract need to spend
> it)
> Jeff Williams I ask for you to take up this mantle as I am overloaded
> and cannot work the structure operations and still have time for
> finance.
>
> MULTILINGUALISM
>
> I want to thank Elisabeth for helping (albeit unknowingly) to this
> cause.  Her presentation at Melbourne of the various linguas and my
> subsequent visit to a cafe (beer hall in Melbourne) and discussions with
> fellow travelers from all over the globe while surfing the net gave rise
> to the projects impetuous.
>
> DEBATE
>
> This project is not owned by the GA or ICANN.  We can easily implement
> it with another group.  But our company would like to give it to the
> GA.  Do not worry we recognize there are one hundred reasons to endorse
> it or use it or reject it.  One reason that comes immediately to mind
> for rejection is David and Roeland and how they have been treated when
> trying to participate.  Another is the constant abuse I receive here ;>}
>
> The implications of security and our global war on terrorism are not
> ignored.  If developed properly this network can be of great benefit.
> Marketing is Education and Education is Marketing - Let us market
> greater cultural and inclusive understanding.
>
> The project can also self fund through a $1 US donation per cafe.
> Hi-Tek Multimedia is a family company of refugee immigrants, even me as
> a second gen Basque/Irish separatist, and we can and will commercialize
> this project but we would rather give it to our great InterNation and
> it's netizens.
>
> Happiness, Independence, Freedom and Pride to all.
>
> Eric
>
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The URLs for Best Practices:
DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA." This
page also includes much else about the DNSO.)
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires the Adobe Acrobat Reader,
available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
Part III:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-PartIII.html

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:27:25 +0200
From: "Charles Shaban" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: RE: Re[2]: [ga] Ballot question

Let me add to my message this, since I missed to mention it: AND TO
BE A PUBLIC VOTING.

Regards
Charles
=================
Dear GA,

I agree with this too, but add to it to have the ballot separated
(maybe some will not agree on all the points together nor disagree on
all).

Regards

Charles Sha'ban
[email-masked]
=======================
[email-masked] writes:
>>I agree that Joop's online voting booth has proved helpful in the
>>past. I
>>leave it up to others about whether a ballot is needed... I've
>>already voted
>>publically...  but note again that others may prefer a secret
>>ballot. 
>>
>>But I leave this up to the Chair and others to determine. 

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:24:57 +1300
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] Ballot question

At 23:20 21/10/01 -0700, technizmo wrote:

>A secret ballot is  a welcome method when an
>independent choice is to be made, such as in the case
>of an election, because a common agreement is not
>expected to be reached.  However, in the case of
>cooperative solution building, as consensus requires,
>a secret ballot obstructs the public elucidation of
>dissenting concerns.

This is true.
However , the Chair has asked the secretariat to send out ballot forms that 
may increase participation.

In order to get the most benefit of  a public position taking the members 
should give their reasons why they vote For or Against.
Preferably article by article.

- --Joop

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:59:20 -0400
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] Ballot question

The problem I see with a public "vote" is that the voting registry is 
specifically just that.  There are many who monitor the GA list but 
do not subscribe to it and just subscribe to the voting registry, I 
believe.  Are not the numbers of voters in that list larger than the 
GA list?

I would hesitate to not use that method if only for the reason that 
the membership on the lists is different.

Consensus can be achieved by recording the feedback on the GA 
list.  However, the vote on the resolution should be by ballot, IMO.

As for my public vote on Roland's motion with Amendments:

[X] Agree
[ ] Disagree

Leah

On 22 Oct 2001, at 21:24, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 23:20 21/10/01 -0700, technizmo wrote:
> 
> >A secret ballot is  a welcome method when an
> >independent choice is to be made, such as in the case
> >of an election, because a common agreement is not
> >expected to be reached.  However, in the case of
> >cooperative solution building, as consensus requires,
> >a secret ballot obstructs the public elucidation of
> >dissenting concerns.
> 
> This is true.
> However , the Chair has asked the secretariat to send out ballot forms
> that may increase participation.
> 
> In order to get the most benefit of  a public position taking the
> members should give their reasons why they vote For or Against.
> Preferably article by article.
> 
> --Joop
> 
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:10:45 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Elisabeth Porteneuve <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ordinary life ([ga] Ballot question)

It is all my fault. For 28 long months I have been following
GA discussions and reacting on the fly to many requests,
no matter Saturday, Sunday or even Labor Day.

But there is real life beyond ICANN and DNSO. In that universe
a week-end is for relaxing from business work (and often dedicated
to such exciting home work as gathering leaves or painting fence).
It also happen you take time to walk in a countryside, or
go to the theater, or play music, or see friends and family, after
cooking a tarte tatin (Reine de Reinette apples are just delicious 
for it now).

Danny's request for ballot arrived to the mailing spool on Sunday
after 6 pm European time:
      From [email-masked]  Sun Oct 21 18:14:09 2001
and you all folks started to vote just overnight, astonished
ballots does not arrive on Saturday or Sunday.

It will come during working hours, now, on Monday.
It will be secret (to allow you make your choice in peace), and once
the results calculated, the secret may be lifted, and who voted
for which option disclosed.

Best regards,
Elisabeth Porteneuve
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> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:10:53 -0700
> From: Eric Weisberg <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Ballot question
> 
> 
> 
> "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
> 
> > i have no problem with a public vote, which is why I voted, publically.  But
> > there are many who may prefer a secret ballot.  How do we address that?
> 
> Absolutely agreed.
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:31:28 -0500
From: "Kevin M. Kelly" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Ballot question

>-----Original Message-----
>
>It is therefore
>
>RESOLVED that the ICANN Board be advised that:
>
>1.... 7. 
>
>[  X   ]  Agree
>[     ]  Disagree
>--

Regards,
Kevin

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:42:08 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Roeland Meyer motion support and interest in Marilyn Cade's reasons 

[ X ] Agree
[ ] Disagree
with the amended motion put forth by Roeland Meyer.

- -------------

However I think that we have to run a regular vote for the archives, the 
vote of non active participants etc...

I also agree that dissenters should be given respect and be listen to if we 
want to reach a consensus.  So far the only dissenter is Marilyn. I know 
Marilyn thinks that one dissenter is of no importance as she explained it 
clearly to me at the BC. However I do not share that point of view  and 
would genuinely be interested in what she has to say. So we might perhaps's 
enlarge he motion support basis: in a placated/non debated "BC document", 
Marilyn tells interesting things about the @large; I am sure there is room 
for mutual understanding.

I also want to underline that Marilyn is now competing at BC for an NC seat 
angainst Bruce James and that she is already temporary NC. Bicameral is not 
competition but cooperation at equal level: we should inaugurate in 
listening to our NC colleagues.

Jefsey

  

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:00:27 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Roeland Meyer motion support and interest in Marilyn Cade's  reasons

Monday, Monday, October 22, 2001, 5:42:08 AM, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> [ X ] Agree
> [ ] Disagree
> with the amended motion put forth by Roeland Meyer.

> -------------

> However I think that we have to run a regular vote for the archives, the 
> vote of non active participants etc...

> I also agree that dissenters should be given respect and be listen to if we 
> want to reach a consensus.  So far the only dissenter is Marilyn. I know 
> Marilyn thinks that one dissenter is of no importance as she explained it 
> clearly to me at the BC. However I do not share that point of view  and 
> would genuinely be interested in what she has to say. So we might perhaps's 
> enlarge he motion support basis: in a placated/non debated "BC document", 
> Marilyn tells interesting things about the @large; I am sure there is room 
> for mutual understanding.

I agree. I'd like to hear if there are any changes that could be made
without substantively changing the intent which could bring her on
board with this.

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:52:13 +0200
From: DNSO Secretariat <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] DNSO GA - Motion on DNSO reorganisation

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[[email-masked]]
[[email-masked]]

As requested by the GA Chair, Danny Younger, voting will start on Monday 22 October 2001 on the motion DNSO/GA Reorganisation:

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ICANN/DNSO

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                           DNSO General Assembly
                          Basic outline of the vote
                     b09, Motion on DNSO reorganisation

22 October 2001

BASIC OUTLINE OF THE VOTE PROCESS, b09, Vote by the GA on DNSO
reorganisation

  1. Timeline:

        Open   Monday 22 October 2001, 16:00 UTC, 18:00 CET (Paris)
        Closed Monday 29 October 2001, 17:00 UTC, 18:00 CET (Paris)
        (For local time in other places see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/)

     The results are due no later than Tuesday 30 October 2001, at 23:00
     UTC, 24:00 CET (Paris), and will be published in
     http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.GA-DNSO-Motion-Reorg-vote.html

  2. A ballot is prepared.

     A ballot starts with line "BEGIN" and ends with line "END__".

     It is like this:

     REQUEST: A GA motion on DNSO reorganisation is submitted for your consideration.
     REQUEST: Please vote using 'x' face to your opinion.
     REQUEST: There is no requirement to mark all names.
     REQUEST: This ballot is From: [email-masked]' -- please reply without CC to any list.
     IMPORTANT: Please do not strip ballot,
     IMPORTANT: it  MUST start with line BEGIN: (do not edit BEGIN line)
     IMPORTANT: it  MUST end   with line END__: (do not edit END line)
     IMPORTANT: and MUST contain all lines in between.

      BEGIN:b09:KabcdZ:FirstName_LastName:[email-masked]:SVP-reply
      b09:KabcdZ:[ ] Agree
      b09:KabcdZ:[ ] Disagree
      b09:KabcdZ:[ ] Abstain
      END__:b09:KabcdZ:FirstName_LastName:[email-masked]:SVP-reply

  3. Ballot is assigned a number (first field in a line), here "b09" --
     ballot number 09 (it is the ninth ballot submitted to the GA vote since
     January 2000).

  4. Ballot is personalised. Each line indicates who is voting.

  5. The second field, here between "b09" and "FirstName_LastName", indicate
     a personalised code given for this ballot to this person. A
     personalised code is 6 caracteres, starting with "K", ending with "Z",
     here "KabcdZ".

  6. Do not edit a ballot. Just put a 'x' between square brackets [ ] to
     vote for a candidate.

     You cast one vote, no more.

  7. A ballot will arrive From: "[email-masked]" -- please reply without CC
     to any list.

  8. You will receive an aknowledge of your ballot within 48 hours.

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:19:41 -0700
From: "Josh Elliott" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] WARNING REGARDING THE WEBSITE DOTUSA.COM

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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From John Palmer:
"Please be aware that AGN Domain Name Service is
the exclusive registry/registrar for the .USA
top level domain. We claimed this TLD back
in 1995 from IANA and have been the sole registry and registrar
for this TLD since that time. ADNS has not
authorized TLD Networks to take registrations
for .USA domains. We are working with our legal
staff to obtain a restraining order against
TLD Networks. We will also report this internet
fraud to the US Department of Commerce and
the California Attorney General's Office."

No TLDs were ever claimed from IANA.  IANA kept a list of TLD requests until
mid-1996, but no delegations for gTLDs were ever made, contrary to popular
rumor.

Despite this fact, ADNS may still have a claim if they were operating the
registry, even without authorization from IANA - I guess the courts will
decide that one of these years.

Josh, former IANA Administrator

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class=3D980511416-22102001>"<FONT=20
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registry/registrar for the .USA<BR>top level domain. We claimed this TLD =

back<BR>in 1995 from IANA and have been the sole registry and =
registrar<BR>for=20
this TLD since that time. ADNS has not <BR>authorized TLD Networks to =
take=20
registrations<BR>for .USA domains. We are working with our =
legal<BR>staff to=20
obtain a restraining order against <BR>TLD Networks. We will also report =
this=20
internet<BR>fraud to the US Department of Commerce and <BR>the =
California=20
Attorney General's Office."</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D980511416-22102001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN =
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until=20
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popular=20
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guess the=20
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:23:20 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: Ordinary life ([ga] Ballot question)

I certainly hope you weren't apologizing, and I certainly hope no one
was being critical of the response time here.

You have no reason to apologize for response time on this, and anyone
criticizing you is way out of line.

After all, it was only about 24 hours between Danny's post and the
ballots going out.

If anyone was criticizing you about that, they need to have their head
examined.

Monday, Monday, October 22, 2001, 2:10:45 AM, Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:

> It is all my fault. For 28 long months I have been following
> GA discussions and reacting on the fly to many requests,
> no matter Saturday, Sunday or even Labor Day.

> But there is real life beyond ICANN and DNSO. In that universe
> a week-end is for relaxing from business work (and often dedicated
> to such exciting home work as gathering leaves or painting fence).
> It also happen you take time to walk in a countryside, or
> go to the theater, or play music, or see friends and family, after
> cooking a tarte tatin (Reine de Reinette apples are just delicious 
> for it now).

> Danny's request for ballot arrived to the mailing spool on Sunday
> after 6 pm European time:
>       From [email-masked]  Sun Oct 21 18:14:09 2001
> and you all folks started to vote just overnight, astonished
> ballots does not arrive on Saturday or Sunday.

> It will come during working hours, now, on Monday.
> It will be secret (to allow you make your choice in peace), and once
> the results calculated, the secret may be lifted, and who voted
> for which option disclosed.

> Best regards,
> Elisabeth Porteneuve
> --

>> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:10:53 -0700
>> From: Eric Weisberg <[email-masked]>
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [ga] Ballot question
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
>> 
>> > i have no problem with a public vote, which is why I voted, publically.  But
>> > there are many who may prefer a secret ballot.  How do we address that?
>> 
>> Absolutely agreed.
>> 
>> 

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:24:36 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] WARNING REGARDING THE WEBSITE DOTUSA.COM

Monday, Monday, October 22, 2001, 9:19:41 AM, Josh Elliott wrote:

> Despite this fact, ADNS may still have a claim if they were operating the
> registry, even without authorization from IANA - I guess the courts will
> decide that one of these years.

That would take one of the alt.root'ers actually hiring an attorney
and paying legal expenses.

In other words:

It will never happen.

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:32:21 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Ballot question - Public voting

Joop and all assembly members,

  A good suggestion Joop.  However some members may not wish to
explain why they voted one way or another on a particular motion
or article or such a motion.  They should have that choice.

  Public voting on the current Motion is a departure form
the sacrosanct excepted practice of secret ballot.  There are
many good reasons why a persons vote should remain secret.
These reasons have been articulated on this forum on a
number of occasions (See archives).

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 23:20 21/10/01 -0700, technizmo wrote:
>
> >A secret ballot is  a welcome method when an
> >independent choice is to be made, such as in the case
> >of an election, because a common agreement is not
> >expected to be reached.  However, in the case of
> >cooperative solution building, as consensus requires,
> >a secret ballot obstructs the public elucidation of
> >dissenting concerns.
>
> This is true.
> However , the Chair has asked the secretariat to send out ballot forms that
> may increase participation.
>
> In order to get the most benefit of  a public position taking the members
> should give their reasons why they vote For or Against.
> Preferably article by article.
>
> --Joop
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:35:25 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ordinary life ([ga] Ballot question)

Elisabeth and all assembly members,

  Thank you Elisabeth.

  I am sure all of us are glad that you had a good weekend!  >;)

Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:

> It is all my fault. For 28 long months I have been following
> GA discussions and reacting on the fly to many requests,
> no matter Saturday, Sunday or even Labor Day.
>
> But there is real life beyond ICANN and DNSO. In that universe
> a week-end is for relaxing from business work (and often dedicated
> to such exciting home work as gathering leaves or painting fence).
> It also happen you take time to walk in a countryside, or
> go to the theater, or play music, or see friends and family, after
> cooking a tarte tatin (Reine de Reinette apples are just delicious
> for it now).
>
> Danny's request for ballot arrived to the mailing spool on Sunday
> after 6 pm European time:
>       From [email-masked]  Sun Oct 21 18:14:09 2001
> and you all folks started to vote just overnight, astonished
> ballots does not arrive on Saturday or Sunday.
>
> It will come during working hours, now, on Monday.
> It will be secret (to allow you make your choice in peace), and once
> the results calculated, the secret may be lifted, and who voted
> for which option disclosed.
>
> Best regards,
> Elisabeth Porteneuve
> --
>
> > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:10:53 -0700
> > From: Eric Weisberg <[email-masked]>
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Ballot question
> >
> >
> >
> > "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:
> >
> > > i have no problem with a public vote, which is why I voted, publically.  But
> > > there are many who may prefer a secret ballot.  How do we address that?
> >
> > Absolutely agreed.
> >
> >
>
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