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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] The Business Constituency

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Philip Sheppard wrote:
> Mr. Younger is mistaken. The charter posted is the BC original
> charter. In common with other constituencies we have a geographic
> diversity requirement for our representatives not a sectoral one.
> [snip]

	As Philip states, the document currently posted on the BC website
is the original Oct. 1999 charter (at least it looks that way -- I haven't
compared it word for word).  It's worth noting, though, that the Oct. 1999
charter *does* incorporate a sectoral diversity requirement.  It states:  
"If, at any stage of the election process described above, an individual
working for or representing an identifiable business sector is elected,
all other representatives or individuals working for or representing that
same business sector will be eliminated from the election process."  The
charter doesn't explicitly require sectoral diversity when filling a Board
vacancy by *appointment*, but that's because it doesn't explicitly
contemplate filling Board vacancies by appointment at all.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:16:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] The Business Constituency

icw?

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Philip Sheppard wrote:
> > Mr. Younger is mistaken. The charter posted is the BC original
> > charter. In common with other constituencies we have a geographic
> > diversity requirement for our representatives not a sectoral one.
> > [snip]
> 
> 	As Philip states, the document currently posted on the BC website
> is the original Oct. 1999 charter (at least it looks that way -- I haven't
> compared it word for word).  It's worth noting, though, that the Oct. 1999
> charter *does* incorporate a sectoral diversity requirement.  It states:  
> "If, at any stage of the election process described above, an individual
> working for or representing an identifiable business sector is elected,
> all other representatives or individuals working for or representing that
> same business sector will be eliminated from the election process."  The
> charter doesn't explicitly require sectoral diversity when filling a Board
> vacancy by *appointment*, but that's because it doesn't explicitly
> contemplate filling Board vacancies by appointment at all.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> Jonathan Weinberg
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:32:17 -0700
From: "M. Stuart Lynn" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fwd: [council] Condemn Cowardly Attack

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Dear Asaad:

Thank you for your thoughtful note.

I am sure that I speak for everyone in the ICANN community that we 
are appalled by the hateful emails you have been receiving. The 
ignorant bigotry they represent has no place in our ICANN world.

Terrorism, as you point out, has nothing to do with Islaam. Timothy 
McVeigh, who blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City in the 
U.S., was neither a Muslim nor an Arab. It is a sad commentary that 
before McVeigh was identified, some people here in the U.S. 
immediately assumed it was a terrorist from the Middle East who was 
responsible. As you rightly point out, stereotyping is not an 
acceptable substitute for tolerance, education and understanding.

If there is any small silver lining to the terribly tragic events of 
last week, it is that it has brought people together from across the 
world regardless of religion, culture, nationality, or other 
individual preferences. The note from you and your AINC colleagues 
has contributed to that. The events brought home to all of us that we 
are all human beings who live on a small and fragile planet that 
cannot tolerate bigotry, hatred, and evil.

Many thanks to the AINC Executive Council for sharing your collective 
feelings with us. I am sure we all appreciate it.

Stuart

>
>
>From: Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. [mailto: [email-masked]]
>Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:02 AM
>
>On behalf of the Executive Council of AINC ( Arabic Internet Names 
>Consortium) we issued the attached statement.
>
>
>AINC strongly and unanimously condemns and denounces the vicious 
>inhuman attacks perpetrated against innocent civilians in the U.S. 
>this week. These attacks and the ideologies behind them are 
>absolutely diametrically opposed to the teachings of all religions 
>and to our cultural values.
>
>Taking human life gratuitously is an extremely grave sin as you see 
>in the Qur'anic verse which reads: "Whosoever kills a human being 
>for other than manslaughter or corruption on the land shall be as if 
>he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it 
>shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind," 
>(Al-Ma'idah:32).
>
>Our response to the hatred emails that we received earlier today is 
>that we understand and share the sender's pain and indignation; and 
>we are equally appalled at what transpired this past Tuesday. 
>However, we should not give in to ignorant stereotyping and racial 
>and cultural bigotry.  Islam, the religion of tolerance, whose very 
>name derives from the word "peace", holds the human soul in high 
>esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a 
>grave sin, You can find a multitude of verses in the Holy Qur'an 
>that are to this effect.
>
>May God bless the souls of all our dead and grant all of the 
>families with peace and patience and the strength to overcome 
>sorrow. Our hearts and prayers to the families and we ask God to 
>grant the World with Peace and Prosperity.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Asaad Y Alnajjar, Executive Director AINC  
><http://www.ArabicDomainName.org>http://www.ArabicDomainName.org
>
>CEO Millennium Inc.  / Los Angeles-USA

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<div>Dear Asaad:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thank you for your thoughtful note.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I am sure that I speak for everyone in the ICANN community that
we are appalled by the hateful emails you have been receiving. The
ignorant bigotry they represent has no place in our ICANN world.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Terrorism, as you point out, has nothing to do with Islaam.
Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City in
the U.S., was neither a Muslim nor an Arab. It is a sad commentary
that before McVeigh was identified, some people here in the U.S.
immediately assumed it was a terrorist from the Middle East who was
responsible. As you rightly point out, stereotyping is not an
acceptable substitute for tolerance, education and
understanding.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If there is any small silver lining to the terribly tragic events
of last week, it is that it has brought people together from across
the world regardless of religion, culture, nationality, or other
individual preferences. The note from you and your AINC colleagues has
contributed to that. The events brought home to all of us that we are
all human beings who live on a small and fragile planet that cannot
tolerate bigotry, hatred, and evil.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Many thanks to the AINC Executive Council for sharing your
collective feelings with us. I am sure we all appreciate it.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Stuart</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Tahoma"
size="-1"><b>From:</b> Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. [mailto:
[email-masked]]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:02 AM</font><br>
<font face="Tahoma" size="-1"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Verdana" size="-1">On behalf
of the Executive Council of AINC ( Arabic Internet Names Consortium)
we issued the attached statement.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">&nbsp;</font><br>
<font size="-1"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">AINC strongly and
unanimously condemns and denounces the vicious inhuman attacks
perpetrated against innocent civilians in the U.S. this week. These
attacks and the ideologies behind them are absolutely diametrically
opposed to the teachings of all religions and to our cultural
values.</font><br>
<font size="-1"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Taking human life
gratuitously is an extremely grave sin as you see in the Qur'anic
verse which reads: &quot;Whosoever kills a human being for other than
manslaughter or corruption on the land shall be as if he has killed
all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he
had saved the life of all mankind,<i><b>&quot;</b></i>
(Al-Ma'idah:32)<i><b>.</b></i></font><br>
<font size="-1"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Our response to the
hatred emails that we received earlier today is that we understand and
share the sender's pain and indignation; and we are equally appalled
at what transpired this past Tuesday. However, we should not give in
to ignorant stereotyping and racial and cultural bigotry.&nbsp; Islam,
the religion of tolerance, whose very name derives from the word
&quot;peace&quot;, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers
the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, You can find a
multitude of verses in the Holy Qur'an that are to this
effect.</font><br>
<font size="-1"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">May God bless the souls
of all our dead and grant all of the families with peace and patience
and the strength to overcome sorrow. Our hearts and prayers to the
families and we ask God to grant the World with Peace and
Prosperity.</font><br>
<font size="-1"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Sincerely,</font><br>
<font size="-1"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Asaad Y Alnajjar,
Executive Director AINC&nbsp;</font> <a
href="http://www.ArabicDomainName.org"><font
size="-1">http://www.ArabicDomainName.org</font></a></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">CEO Millennium Inc.&nbsp;
/ Los Angeles-USA</font></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
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<div><br>
__________________<br>
Stuart Lynn<br>
President and CEO<br>
ICANN<br>
4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330<br>
Marina del Rey, CA 90292<br>
Tel: 310-823-9358<br>
Fax: 310-823-8649<br>
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:29:20 -0700
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Just published: "The dummies guide to turning human tragedy  topolitical advantage"

Joanna Lane wrote:

> http://angua.rince.de/icann-europe/2001/09/msg00004.html
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *    From: Mike Roberts <[email-masked]>
> *    Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:23:56 -0700
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> At the time, going on three weeks ago, I had in mind something like
> US $100 from several thousand individuals who actually were willing
> to put their money where their mouth was about having a functioning
> At Large organization.

"You" had in mind?  Plenty of people think about a lot of things.

> Today, that idea is out the window, along with a lot of other
> populist notions about any old terrorist around the globe getting to
> vote on how to run the DNS.

I think Joanna summed it up pretty well.. "terrorists do not vote, they throw
bombs"(!)  Would all terrorists currently involved in ICANN please step forward
and be accounted for!  Hey Mike, when's the Gestapo going to show up at our
doors?

> When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it
> usually means a period in which the people with the guns make the
> decisions.

If I remember correctly, in America the citizens are also armed by
constitutional right, no?

> Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent
> days knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the
> luxury of debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less
> society returns.
>
> If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to
> the Red Cross instead.

I think the 40 billion George W. and Co. got should suffice, especially when one
figures in the insurance monies etc..  The ALSO and the Red Cross are two very
different things Mike, let's not confuse the two please.

>
>

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
                        Netizen.

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:04:22 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] do we need a mezzanine consensus level?

Joop and all assembly members,

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> I posed this question for discussion on ga-icann
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-icann/Arc00/msg00143.html on sept 13 and
> so far there has not been a single comment, in spite of my cc to the NC
> chair and  members of the review task force.
>
> What is the review task force doing?

  Twiddling their thumbs perhaps?

>
>
> Mike Roberts on Icann-europe:
>
> >When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it usually
> >means a period in which the people with the guns make the
> >decisions.  Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent days
> >knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the luxury of
> >debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less society returns.
> >
> >If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to the
> >Red Cross instead.
>
> Is the ICANN process over??

  No of course not Joop.  The ALSO or ALSC process in Mikes mind
is over.  But in his mind, it was over the from the beginning...

>
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:20:59 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fwd: [council] Condemn Cowardly Attack

Stuart and all assembly members,

  In this we agree!  Well done!  >;)

M. Stuart Lynn wrote:

>    Part 1.1   Type: Plain Text (text/plain)

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:03:56 -0700
From: Mike Roberts <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: "political advantage"

Joanna -

>In case you hadn't noticed,
>terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
democratic process.

Terrorists do vote; they infiltrate democratic institutions and 
processes while they are putting their attack together.  The openness 
of free universities plays into their hands.  Our German colleagues 
have been learning over the weekend about the Islamic fundamentalist 
sect that operated at the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg and 
sent three of themselves as suicide hijackers to the U.S.

>To try to turn this
>catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
>delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.

It's simply incredible that someone sitting across the bay from 
Manhattan would have so lost touch with what is happening as to make 
an assertion such as this.  Here are three headlines from this 
morning's New York Times, which can hardly be classed as a xenophobic 
paper:

" Bush Warns of a Wrathful, Shadowy and Inventive War,"

"Lawmakers Hear Ashcroft Outline Antiterror Plans."

" Investigators Explore Boundaries of Everything the Law Allows."

As Americans go back to work, we are not going back to the same 
world.  Our civil liberties are not what we casually thought they 
were a week ago.  Travelers this morning are having their possessions 
searched at airports all over the country down to the last nail file. 
In the next few days, the Congress is going to give new powers to law 
enforcement to invade our personal lives looking for the very few who 
choose to attack us. When I get on the plane next Sunday to go to 
Washington, I will know that the new orders to the Air Force are to 
shoot it down if hijacked.

In the last great challenge to American freedoms in the 50's and 
60's, I gave three years of my career and my marriage to military 
service.  Today, I am sad for the losses sustained last week in New 
York and all across the country and I am even sadder that another 
young generation of Americans is about to suffer loss of life in 
defending them again.

So if I sound angry and self-righteous about the all-too-frequent 
trash on this list, I am.  This anonymous narcissistic garbage is not 
an exercise of freedom, it is an abuse of freedom.

Life at ICANN isn't going to be the same either.  Given the military 
mindset and anti-terrorist measures in Washington and other capitals, 
there is going to be a much greater stress on operational oversight 
of the DNS, on stability and on synchronization with related Internet 
security steps. There is going to be much less interest in who is 
represented by whom on the Board.

The GA, bastion of rugged individualism, has an opportunity to 
contribute to the solutions to these challenges.  But if you're not 
interested in being part of common solutions and the compromises 
involved in them, and if throwing rocks at me for being the messenger 
of the new reality gives you a bigger thrill, go right ahead and lay 
a claim to irrelevance.

- - Mike

At 3:44 -0400 9/17/01, Joanna Lane wrote:
>http://angua.rince.de/icann-europe/2001/09/msg00004.html
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>*    From: Mike Roberts <[email-masked]>
>*    Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:23:56 -0700
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>At the time, going on three weeks ago, I had in mind something like
>US $100 from several thousand individuals who actually were willing
>to put their money where their mouth was about having a functioning
>At Large organization.
>
>Today, that idea is out the window, along with a lot of other
>populist notions about any old terrorist around the globe getting to
>vote on how to run the DNS.
>
>When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it
>usually means a period in which the people with the guns make the
>decisions.  Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent
>days knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the
>luxury of debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less
>society returns.
>
>If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to
>the Red Cross instead.
>
>- Mike
>
>______________________________________________________
>
>Hello Mike,
>
>Excuse me? Unless I am very much mistaken, the implication here is that
>there should not now be a functioning ALSO because "any old terrorist" would
>disguise themselves as an honest, law abiding citizen, then capture the
>bottom-up consensus building mechanism. In case you hadn't noticed,
>terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
>democratic process. The implication that there should not now be a
>functioning ALSO until the USA rids the world of terrorism is equally
>laughable. Terrorism is nothing new, and however many guns are thrown at it,
>it will always exist in one insidious form or another. To try to turn this
>catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
>delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
>suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Joanna
>
>P.S. We don't need to debate what constitutes consensus. There is a
>mechanism in place already.
>
>The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
>http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
>(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
>Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
>Part I:
>http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
>Part II:
>http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
>(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
>Reader, which is available for free down load at
>http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
>
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:24:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: "political advantage"

Regarding the first paragraph quoted below:

Our civil liberties are what they were two weeks ago: contingent, always
under threat from enemies foreign and domestic, worth fighting for, and
capable of preservation if we have the will to do so.  What has changed is
the threat to them.

Regarding the second paragraph quoted below:

This is a serious issue that deserves discussion.

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Mike Roberts wrote:

[...]
> 
> As Americans go back to work, we are not going back to the same 
> world.  Our civil liberties are not what we casually thought they 
> were a week ago.  Travelers this morning are having their possessions 
> searched at airports all over the country down to the last nail file. 
> In the next few days, the Congress is going to give new powers to law 
> enforcement to invade our personal lives looking for the very few who 
> choose to attack us. When I get on the plane next Sunday to go to 
> Washington, I will know that the new orders to the Air Force are to 
> shoot it down if hijacked.
> 

[...]
> 
> Life at ICANN isn't going to be the same either.  Given the military 
> mindset and anti-terrorist measures in Washington and other capitals, 
> there is going to be a much greater stress on operational oversight 
> of the DNS, on stability and on synchronization with related Internet 
> security steps. There is going to be much less interest in who is 
> represented by whom on the Board.
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:55:06 -0400
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: "political advantage"

Mike Roberts wrote:

> Life at ICANN isn't going to be the same either.  Given the military
> mindset and anti-terrorist measures in Washington and other capitals,
> there is going to be a much greater stress on operational oversight
> of the DNS, on stability and on synchronization with related Internet
> security steps.

The obvious question there would be what steps ICANN will take to get
secure DNS widely deployed quickly.

One reference site is:
http://www.toad.com/dnssec/index.html

A closely related, and I think important, question is how the signing
of zones will work. Methinks there's a risk Verisign will try to tie
the whole thing to their technology, acquire a big new market. This is
understandable, but not a good idea.

Methinks this raises some policy issues for ICANN.
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:55:02 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: "political advantage"

I do not know where to begin Mike,

Necessity is the mother of evil.  Don't Tread on Me.  Any group shall be judged
on how they treat their lowest member.  Obedience to the Law is the greatest
freedom.  All democratic Nations are Nations of Law and not Men.

With your stupid logic we should deny the vote in any and all matters to any
suspect culture.  What say we start up Japanese Internment camps?  Fighting
terrorism means increasing inclusiveness wherever we are able.  Mike, leave
vengeance and revenge to the military, thank goodness you are no longer a part of
it, our jobs are to get at the root of hatred which is injustice and if I look
that word up in the Dictionary I see your photo as a human practicing example.
Go back to your spin doctors and figure out a way to retract your
ridiculousness.  Then start over with a good pr firm.

Best of Luck
Eric

Mike Robbers wrote:

> Joanna -
>
> >In case you hadn't noticed,
> >terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
> democratic process.
>
> Terrorists do vote; they infiltrate democratic institutions and
> processes while they are putting their attack together.  The openness
> of free universities plays into their hands.  Our German colleagues
> have been learning over the weekend about the Islamic fundamentalist
> sect that operated at the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg and
> sent three of themselves as suicide hijackers to the U.S.
>
> >To try to turn this
> >catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
> >delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
> suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.
>
> It's simply incredible that someone sitting across the bay from
> Manhattan would have so lost touch with what is happening as to make
> an assertion such as this.  Here are three headlines from this
> morning's New York Times, which can hardly be classed as a xenophobic
> paper:
>
> " Bush Warns of a Wrathful, Shadowy and Inventive War,"
>
> "Lawmakers Hear Ashcroft Outline Antiterror Plans."
>
> " Investigators Explore Boundaries of Everything the Law Allows."
>
> As Americans go back to work, we are not going back to the same
> world.  Our civil liberties are not what we casually thought they
> were a week ago.  Travelers this morning are having their possessions
> searched at airports all over the country down to the last nail file.
> In the next few days, the Congress is going to give new powers to law
> enforcement to invade our personal lives looking for the very few who
> choose to attack us. When I get on the plane next Sunday to go to
> Washington, I will know that the new orders to the Air Force are to
> shoot it down if hijacked.
>
> In the last great challenge to American freedoms in the 50's and
> 60's, I gave three years of my career and my marriage to military
> service.  Today, I am sad for the losses sustained last week in New
> York and all across the country and I am even sadder that another
> young generation of Americans is about to suffer loss of life in
> defending them again.
>
> So if I sound angry and self-righteous about the all-too-frequent
> trash on this list, I am.  This anonymous narcissistic garbage is not
> an exercise of freedom, it is an abuse of freedom.
>
> Life at ICANN isn't going to be the same either.  Given the military
> mindset and anti-terrorist measures in Washington and other capitals,
> there is going to be a much greater stress on operational oversight
> of the DNS, on stability and on synchronization with related Internet
> security steps. There is going to be much less interest in who is
> represented by whom on the Board.
>
> The GA, bastion of rugged individualism, has an opportunity to
> contribute to the solutions to these challenges.  But if you're not
> interested in being part of common solutions and the compromises
> involved in them, and if throwing rocks at me for being the messenger
> of the new reality gives you a bigger thrill, go right ahead and lay
> a claim to irrelevance.
>
> - Mike
>
> At 3:44 -0400 9/17/01, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >http://angua.rince.de/icann-europe/2001/09/msg00004.html
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >*    From: Mike Roberts <[email-masked]>
> >*    Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:23:56 -0700
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >At the time, going on three weeks ago, I had in mind something like
> >US $100 from several thousand individuals who actually were willing
> >to put their money where their mouth was about having a functioning
> >At Large organization.
> >
> >Today, that idea is out the window, along with a lot of other
> >populist notions about any old terrorist around the globe getting to
> >vote on how to run the DNS.
> >
> >When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it
> >usually means a period in which the people with the guns make the
> >decisions.  Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent
> >days knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the
> >luxury of debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less
> >society returns.
> >
> >If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to
> >the Red Cross instead.
> >
> >- Mike
> >
> >______________________________________________________
> >
> >Hello Mike,
> >
> >Excuse me? Unless I am very much mistaken, the implication here is that
> >there should not now be a functioning ALSO because "any old terrorist" would
> >disguise themselves as an honest, law abiding citizen, then capture the
> >bottom-up consensus building mechanism. In case you hadn't noticed,
> >terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
> >democratic process. The implication that there should not now be a
> >functioning ALSO until the USA rids the world of terrorism is equally
> >laughable. Terrorism is nothing new, and however many guns are thrown at it,
> >it will always exist in one insidious form or another. To try to turn this
> >catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
> >delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
> >suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Joanna
> >
> >P.S. We don't need to debate what constitutes consensus. There is a
> >mechanism in place already.
> >
> >The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
> >http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> >(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> >Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
> >Part I:
> >http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
> >Part II:
> >http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
> >(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
> >Reader, which is available for free down load at
> >http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:37:45 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fwd: [council] Condemn Cowardly Attack

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Dear Mr. Lynn,

You wax profound but you belie your true nature.

Are you ready to ensure that the AT LARGE receives its' allotted seats?

Are you ready to ensure that the general populace has a right to
representation, as opposed to political restrictions you seem inclined
to impose?

In short Mr. Lynn your insincerity proceeds you like a rabid dog.  Do
not claim to be one of the caring when your every action speaks the
opposite.

Where were you when my brothers lost domain names and property rights to
IP manipulated WIPE?  Where we you when they shut off the inclusiveness
of the WG-Review?  Where were you when my sisters lost 50K on a lottery
which was politically manipulated?  Where were you when the attacked our
friends and comrades with other roots?  Where were you when they granted
Palestine a ccTLD and denied others?

You smell bad and the odor is of an opportunist.  My dotcommoners read
you like a viper trail in the sand and only a fool would follow lest
they be bit!!

Peace,
Eric

"M. Stuart Lynn" wrote:

> Dear Asaad: Thank you for your thoughtful note. I am sure that I speak
> for everyone in the ICANN community that we are appalled by the
> hateful emails you have been receiving. The ignorant bigotry they
> represent has no place in our ICANN world. Terrorism, as you point
> out, has nothing to do with Islaam. Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the
> Federal building in Oklahoma City in the U.S., was neither a Muslim
> nor an Arab. It is a sad commentary that before McVeigh was
> identified, some people here in the U.S. immediately assumed it was a
> terrorist from the Middle East who was responsible. As you rightly
> point out, stereotyping is not an acceptable substitute for tolerance,
> education and understanding. If there is any small silver lining to
> the terribly tragic events of last week, it is that it has brought
> people together from across the world regardless of religion, culture,
> nationality, or other individual preferences. The note from you and
> your AINC colleagues has contributed to that. The events brought home
> to all of us that we are all human beings who live on a small and
> fragile planet that cannot tolerate bigotry, hatred, and evil. Many
> thanks to the AINC Executive Council for sharing your collective
> feelings with us. I am sure we all appreciate it. Stuart
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. [mailto:
>> [email-masked]]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:02 AM
>
>> On behalf of the Executive Council of AINC ( Arabic Internet Names
>> Consortium) we issued the attached statement.
>
>>
>
>> AINC strongly and unanimously condemns and denounces the vicious
>> inhuman attacks perpetrated against innocent civilians in the U.S.
>> this week. These attacks and the ideologies behind them are
>> absolutely diametrically opposed to the teachings of all religions
>> and to our cultural values.
>
>> Taking human life gratuitously is an extremely grave sin as you see
>> in the Qur'anic verse which reads: "Whosoever kills a human being
>> for other than manslaughter or corruption on the land shall be as if
>> he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it
>> shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind,"
>> (Al-Ma'idah:32).
>
>> Our response to the hatred emails that we received earlier today is
>> that we understand and share the sender's pain and indignation; and
>> we are equally appalled at what transpired this past Tuesday.
>> However, we should not give in to ignorant stereotyping and racial
>> and cultural bigotry.  Islam, the religion of tolerance, whose very
>> name derives from the word "peace", holds the human soul in high
>> esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a
>> grave sin, You can find a multitude of verses in the Holy Qur'an
>> that are to this effect.
>
>> May God bless the souls of all our dead and grant all of the
>> families with peace and patience and the strength to overcome
>> sorrow. Our hearts and prayers to the families and we ask God to
>> grant the World with Peace and Prosperity.
>
>> Sincerely,
>
>> Asaad Y Alnajjar, Executive Director AINC
>> http://www.ArabicDomainName.org
>
>>
>
>> CEO Millennium Inc.  / Los Angeles-USA
>
> --
>
>
> __________________
> Stuart Lynn
> President and CEO
> ICANN
> 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
> Marina del Rey, CA 90292
> Tel: 310-823-9358
> Fax: 310-823-8649
> Email: [email-masked]

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Dear Mr. Lynn,
<p>You wax profound but you belie your true nature.
<p>Are you ready to ensure that the AT LARGE receives its' allotted seats?
<p>Are you ready to ensure that the general populace has a right to representation,
as opposed to political restrictions you seem inclined to impose?
<p>In short Mr. Lynn your insincerity proceeds you like a rabid dog.&nbsp;
Do not claim to be one of the caring when your every action speaks the
opposite.
<p>Where were you when my brothers lost domain names and property rights
to IP manipulated WIPE?&nbsp; Where we you when they shut off the inclusiveness
of the WG-Review?&nbsp; Where were you when my sisters lost 50K on a lottery
which was politically manipulated?&nbsp; Where were you when the attacked
our friends and comrades with other roots?&nbsp; Where were you when they
granted Palestine a ccTLD and denied others?
<p>You smell bad and the odor is of an opportunist.&nbsp; My dotcommoners
read you like a viper trail in the sand and only a fool would follow lest
they be bit!!
<p>Peace,
<br>Eric
<p>"M. Stuart Lynn" wrote:
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Dear
Asaad: Thank you for your thoughtful note. I am sure that I speak for everyone
in the ICANN community that we are appalled by the hateful emails you have
been receiving. The ignorant bigotry they represent has no place in our
ICANN world. Terrorism, as you point out, has nothing to do with Islaam.
Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City in the
U.S., was neither a Muslim nor an Arab. It is a sad commentary that before
McVeigh was identified, some people here in the U.S. immediately assumed
it was a terrorist from the Middle East who was responsible. As you rightly
point out, stereotyping is not an acceptable substitute for tolerance,
education and understanding. If there is any small silver lining to the
terribly tragic events of last week, it is that it has brought people together
from across the world regardless of religion, culture, nationality, or
other individual preferences. The note from you and your AINC colleagues
has contributed to that. The events brought home to all of us that we are
all human beings who live on a small and fragile planet that cannot tolerate
bigotry, hatred, and evil. Many thanks to the AINC Executive Council for
sharing your collective feelings with us. I am sure we all appreciate it.
Stuart
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>From:</b>
Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. [mailto: [email-masked]]</font></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16,
2001 2:02 AM</font></font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Verdana"><font size=-1>On behalf
of the Executive Council of AINC ( Arabic Internet Names Consortium) we
issued the attached statement.</font></font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size=-1>AINC strongly and unanimously
condemns and denounces the vicious inhuman attacks perpetrated against
innocent civilians in the U.S. this week. These attacks and the ideologies
behind them are absolutely diametrically opposed to the teachings of all
religions and to our cultural values.</font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size=-1>Taking human life gratuitously
is an extremely grave sin as you see in the Qur'anic verse which reads:
"Whosoever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption
on the land shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves
the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind,<b><i>"</i></b>
(Al-Ma'idah:32)<b><i>.</i></b></font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size=-1>Our response to the hatred emails
that we received earlier today is that we understand and share the sender's
pain and indignation; and we are equally appalled at what transpired this
past Tuesday. However, we should not give in to ignorant stereotyping and
racial and cultural bigotry.&nbsp; Islam, the religion of tolerance, whose
very name derives from the word "peace", holds the human soul in high esteem,
and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, You
can find a multitude of verses in the Holy Qur'an that are to this effect.</font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size=-1>May God bless the souls of all
our dead and grant all of the families with peace and patience and the
strength to overcome sorrow. Our hearts and prayers to the families and
we ask God to grant the World with Peace and Prosperity.</font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size=-1>Sincerely,</font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size=-1>Asaad Y Alnajjar, Executive
Director AINC&nbsp;</font> <font size=-1><a href="http://www.ArabicDomainName.org">http://www.ArabicDomainName.org</a></font></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size=-1>CEO Millennium Inc.&nbsp; /
Los Angeles-USA</font></blockquote>
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</x-sigsep>
<br>__________________
<br>Stuart Lynn
<br>President and CEO
<br>ICANN
<br>4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
<br>Marina del Rey, CA 90292
<br>Tel: 310-823-9358
<br>Fax: 310-823-8649
<br>Email: [email-masked]</blockquote>
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