Subject: GA-DIGEST V1 #743
From: [email-masked] (GA-DIGEST)
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GA-DIGEST          Monday, September 17 2001          Volume 01 : Number 743

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:09:34 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: Motion for new moderators and some leadership from   th e Chair

|> From: William X Walsh [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:49 AM
|> 
|> Monday, Monday, August 27, 2001, 9:44:55 AM, Roeland Meyer wrote:

|> > As things are finally settling down to getting some work 
|> done, I am loath to
|> > disrupt the infrastructure.
|> 
|> First of all, your subject line change is just the kind of behavior
|> that the rules prohibit.

I did not chose the subject line. It is a on-going discussion thread. Of
course, you would rather we have disorganized chaos, it would appear.

|> Secondly, moderators are not elected, they serve at the pleasure of
|> the Chair.  My comments are that Danny needs to take a more active
|> look at the effectiveness of those in that position, and make the
|> necessary changes.

One must balance cost with effectiveness.

|> As it turns out, it may be that the moderators lack the requisite
|> tools to do their job.  If that is in fact true, then it is the
|> chair's responsibility to find a way to fix that.

Why is it the chair's responsibility? More importantly, what makes you so
sure that it is fixable at this time? What makes you think that such effort
is cost/effective?  Sometimes, we have to live with "good enough".
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:43:58 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] register.com hoarding expired domains

Expired Jun 10th - transfered into their own ownership by register.com
instead of being deleted:

$ whois budgetwarehouse.com

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

   Domain Name: BUDGETWAREHOUSE.COM
   Registrar: REGISTER.COM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.register.com
   Referral URL: http://www.register.com
   Name Server: DNS7.REGISTER.COM
   Name Server: DNS8.REGISTER.COM
   Updated Date: 03-aug-2001

>>> Last update of whois database: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:29:38 EDT <<<

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

Found InterNIC referral to whois.register.com.

The data in Register.com's WHOIS database is provided to you by
Register.com for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in
obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration
record.  Register.com makes this information available "as is," and
does not guarantee its accuracy.  By submitting a WHOIS query, you
agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that,
under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) allow, enable,
or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial
advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by
telephone; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to Register.com (or its systems).  The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of Register.com.
Register.com reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.
By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms.

   Organization:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Registrar Name....: Register.com
   Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
   Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

   Domain Name: BUDGETWAREHOUSE.COM

      Created on..............: Thu, Jun 10, 1999
      Expires on..............: Sun, Jun 10, 2001
      Record last updated on..: Fri, Aug 10, 2001

   Administrative Contact:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Technical Contact:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Zone Contact:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

Other examples:

cattercards.com - expired May 9
cdclick.com - expired July 1
avhis.com - expired May 19

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barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:17:33 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] IARegistry.com impounding domains

$ whois dirtyasshole.com

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

   Domain Name: DIRTYASSHOLE.COM
   Registrar: THE REGISTRY AT INFO AVENUE D/B/A IA REGISTRY
   Whois Server: whois.iaregistry.com
   Referral URL: http://www.iaregistry.com
   Name Server: DNS2.IAREGISTRY.COM
   Name Server: DNS1.IAREGISTRY.COM
   Updated Date: 17-jul-2001

>>> Last update of whois database: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:29:38 EDT <<<

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

Found InterNIC referral to whois.iaregistry.com.

Access to the WHOIS database of The Registry at Info Avenue(SM)
is for informational purposes only.  This information is made
available "as is," and its accuracy is not guaranteed.  The
compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of The
Registry at Info Avenue(SM)'s WHOIS information in its entirety,
or a substantial portion thereof, is expressly prohibited without
the prior written consent of The Registry at Info Avenue(SM).
By accessing and using our WHOIS information, you agree to these
terms.

Registrant:
   The Registry at Info Avenue, LLC
   P.O. Box 1897
   Fort Mill, SC  29716
   US

   Registrar..: IARegistry.com (http://www.iaregistry.com)
   Domain Name: DIRTYASSHOLE.COM
      Created on..............: 25-Jun-2001
      Expires on..............: 25-Jun-2002
      Record last updated on..: 25-Jun-2001

   Administrative Contact:
      IMPOUNDED, Domain  [email-masked]
      Payment declined - Available for Resale at The Registry at Info Avenue
      P.O. Box 1897
      Fort Mill, SC  29716  US
      877-932-2339 / 803-802-6552   (FAX) 803-802-6599
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Domain, Administrator  [email-masked]
      The Registry at Info Avenue, LLC
      P.O. Box 1897
      Fort Mill, SC  29716  US
      +1.803.802.6552   (FAX) +1.803.802.6599

   Name servers for this domain:

      DNS1.IAREGISTRY.COM                    165.166.4.11
      DNS2.IAREGISTRY.COM                    165.166.4.12

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We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:36:26 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Register.com diversifying?

ANdy and all assembly members,

Andy Gardner wrote:

> When there's no money left in the Registrar business, obviously the next
> best thing is auctioning off cartoon porn.

  Of course this should not be surprising..

>
>
> Watch for changes at afternic.com - register.com's domain auction site.
>
> 10 year registration - they're obviously planning well into the future...
>
> # whois animesexauction.com

Organization:
                 register.com
                 Technical Administrator
                 575 Eighth Avenue
                 New York, NY 10018
                 US
                 Phone: 212-798-9200
                 Fax..: 212-594-9876
                 Email: [email-masked]

              Registrar Name....: Register.com
              Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
              Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

              Domain Name: ANIMESEXAUCTION.COM

                 Created on..............: Sun, Aug 19, 2001
                 Expires on..............: Fri, Aug 19, 2011
                 Record last updated on..: Fri, Aug 31, 2001

              Administrative Contact:
                 register.com
                 Technical Administrator
                 575 Eighth Avenue
                 New York, NY 10018
                 US
                 Phone: 212-798-9200
                 Fax..: 212-594-9876
                 Email: [email-masked]

              Technical Contact:
                 register.com
                 Technical Administrator
                 575 Eighth Avenue
                 New York, NY 10018
                 US
                 Phone: 212-798-9200
                 Fax..: 212-594-9876
                 Email: [email-masked]

              Zone Contact:
                 register.com
                 Technical Administrator
                 575 Eighth Avenue
                 New York, NY 10018
                 US
                 Phone: 212-798-9200
                 Fax..: 212-594-9876
                 Email: [email-masked]

              Domain servers in listed order:

              DNS41.REGISTER.COM                                216.21.234.91

              DNS42.REGISTER.COM                                216.21.226.91

>
>
> Whois Server Version 1.3
>
> Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
> with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
> for detailed information.
>
>    Domain Name: ANIMESEXAUCTION.COM
>    Registrar: REGISTER.COM, INC.
>    Whois Server: whois.register.com
>    Referral URL: http://www.register.com
>    Name Server: DNS41.REGISTER.COM
>    Name Server: DNS42.REGISTER.COM
>    Updated Date: 31-aug-2001
>
> >>> Last update of whois database: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:29:38 EDT <<<
>
> The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
> Registrars.
>
> Found InterNIC referral to whois.register.com.
>
> The data in Register.com's WHOIS database is provided to you by
> Register.com for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in
> obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration
> record.  Register.com makes this information available "as is," and
> does not guarantee its accuracy.  By submitting a WHOIS query, you
> agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that,
> under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) allow, enable,
> or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial
> advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by
> telephone; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
> that apply to Register.com (or its systems).  The compilation,
> repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly
> prohibited without the prior written consent of Register.com.
> Register.com reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.
> By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms.
>
>    Organization:
>       register.com
>       Technical Administrator
>       575 Eighth Avenue
>       New York, NY 10018
>       US
>       Phone: 212-798-9200
>       Fax..: 212-594-9876
>       Email: [email-masked]
>
>    Registrar Name....: Register.com
>    Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
>    Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com
>
>    Domain Name: ANIMESEXAUCTION.COM
>
>       Created on..............: Sun, Aug 19, 2001
>       Expires on..............: Fri, Aug 19, 2011
>       Record last updated on..: Fri, Aug 31, 2001
>
>    Administrative Contact:
>       register.com
>       Technical Administrator
>       575 Eighth Avenue
>       New York, NY 10018
>       US
>       Phone: 212-798-9200
>       Fax..: 212-594-9876
>       Email: [email-masked]
>
>    Technical Contact:
>       register.com
>       Technical Administrator
>       575 Eighth Avenue
>       New York, NY 10018
>       US
>       Phone: 212-798-9200
>       Fax..: 212-594-9876
>       Email: [email-masked]
>
>    Zone Contact:
>       register.com
>       Technical Administrator
>       575 Eighth Avenue
>       New York, NY 10018
>       US
>       Phone: 212-798-9200
>       Fax..: 212-594-9876
>       Email: [email-masked]
>
>    Domain servers in listed order:
>
>    DNS41.REGISTER.COM                                216.21.234.91
>    DNS42.REGISTER.COM                                216.21.226.91
>
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> We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
> Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:30:42 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Gadsden flag movement

Bill and all assembly members,

  Bill, this whole ICANN mess is full of filthy politics.  It was the choice

of the ICANN BoD and staff to make it so.  So shall it be until we
can get it cleaned up!  To do that, we must clean out an up the
disgusting elements of the ICANN BoD and staff.  So if you
don't have the stomach for it, than stand aside...

William S. Lovell wrote:

> William is exactly right.  Let's end the tub thumping here,
> and take our venting elsewhere.  Emergency messages
> as to helping find missing people, giving aid, or that kind
> of thing excepted. But no more politics, please.
>
> Bill Lovell
>
> William X Walsh wrote:
>
> > Let's end discussion on the subject of this week's disaster on the GA
> > list.
> >
> > We are starting to see the natural result of this discussion
> > continuing past it's time, which means that emotions will start to
> > flare up and cause the kinds of messages this list does not need or
> > want.
> >
> > There are many forums for discussing this week's disaster, more
> > appropriate ones, please take the discussions there.   Those lists are
> > better equipped to deal with the kind of messages that this highly
> > emotionally charged subject will continue to lead to.
> >
> > As much as some have tried to tie this into ICANN and domain names in
> > some way, that also is not an appropriate way of addresses those
> > issues, by taking advantage of the crisis to promote your views on
> > these entirely unrelated subjects.
> >
> > The first couple days of messages were welcome, appropriate, and
> > natural for any group of people who have a shared interest as most of
> > us do.  But for a list like this, there must be limits to the ongoing
> > off topic discussion, especially when the subject is so highly
> > charged, and inevitably leads to some of the messages we have seen
> > here this morning.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
> > Userfriendly.com Domains
> > The most advanced domain lookup tool on the net
> > DNS Services from $1.65/mo
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> The URLs for Best Practices:
> DNSO Citation:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> (Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA." This
> page also includes much else about the DNSO.)
> Part I:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
> Part II:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
> (Access to the .pdf file requires the Adobe Acrobat Reader,
> available for free down load at
> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
> Part III:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-PartIII.html
>
>

Regards,

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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:14:36 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Adoption of Resolution

  Yes,

 but what ICANN did to Joanna Lane was a dispical act of typical
robber-barons.

Rex

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Dierker" <[email-masked]>
To: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "Charles Shaban" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Adoption of Resolution

> Please adopt the following;
>
> If we cannot without a formal vote reach consensus on this then we are
> doomed!
>
> Simply endorse.
>
> We pray now especially for Danny as we know not his fate.
> Eric
>
>
> Well then this should be done promptly and I ask our more proficient
> writers to
> adjust my poor words.
>
> We being the finest and brightest of all worldwide daily interaction
> groups.
> Be it known by all people our convictions, the GA hereby Resolves that;
>
> We in the General Assembly of the Domain Name Support Organization are
> committed
> and endorse the following principals:
>
> There are no nationalities which we hold above or below any other
> nationality.
> All cultures are equal within our perspective.
> All ethnic groups are equal and good.
> There are no nations or cultures or ethnicity's which deserve more or less
> of
> our respect.
> We are committed to making each and every voice heard.
> We are committed to bridging the gaps of cultural, digital and linguistic
> differences.
> As we commit to Internet stability we commit to Nations which help to
> commit to
> World stability.
>
> Let it be known.
>
> Sincerely,
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Charles and all assembly members,
> >
> >   On the behalf of our members, I thank you Charles for you support
> > sympathy.  But what we, and I would think, all rational peoples of
> > the world need, it to find, and punish the perpetrators of these
> > terrible
> > acts, and any and all whom support them in any or especially harbor
> > them.  To shun and/or disavow those whom would preach or
> > advocate exclusiveness, which leads to distrust, and eventually violent
> > acts such as this one can be engendered.
> >
> > Charles Shaban wrote:
> >
> > > To all my friends and colleagues in the United States and mainly on
> > > the GA list,
> > >
> > > We are deeply shocked and horrified at the sad events and loss of
> > > life that have afflicted the United States on September 11th. Our
> > > thoughts and prayers are with you and all those affected as a result
> > > of the heinous acts committed.
> > >
> > > You have our full sympathy and support.
> > >
> > > on behalf of me, my chairman and my company Talal Abu-Ghazaleh & Co.
> > > International (TAGI)
> > >
> > > Charles Sha'ban
> > > [email-masked]
> > >
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> > Regards,
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> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 118k members strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail [email-masked]
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:44:29 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Just published: "The dummies guide to turning human tragedy to political advantage"

http://angua.rince.de/icann-europe/2001/09/msg00004.html
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

*    From: Mike Roberts <[email-masked]>
*    Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:23:56 -0700

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

At the time, going on three weeks ago, I had in mind something like
US $100 from several thousand individuals who actually were willing
to put their money where their mouth was about having a functioning
At Large organization.

Today, that idea is out the window, along with a lot of other
populist notions about any old terrorist around the globe getting to
vote on how to run the DNS.

When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it
usually means a period in which the people with the guns make the
decisions.  Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent
days knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the
luxury of debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less
society returns.

If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to
the Red Cross instead.

- - Mike

______________________________________________________

Hello Mike,

Excuse me? Unless I am very much mistaken, the implication here is that
there should not now be a functioning ALSO because "any old terrorist" would
disguise themselves as an honest, law abiding citizen, then capture the
bottom-up consensus building mechanism. In case you hadn't noticed,
terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
democratic process. The implication that there should not now be a
functioning ALSO until the USA rids the world of terrorism is equally
laughable. Terrorism is nothing new, and however many guns are thrown at it,
it will always exist in one insidious form or another. To try to turn this
catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.

Regards,

Joanna

P.S. We don't need to debate what constitutes consensus. There is a
mechanism in place already.

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
Reader, which is available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 01:13:46 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Just published: "The dummies guide to turning human tragedy to political advantage"

Monday, Monday, September 17, 2001, 12:44:29 AM, Joanna Lane wrote:

While I agree with the rest of your message, this part needs to be
corrected:

> P.S. We don't need to debate what constitutes consensus. There is a
> mechanism in place already.

Despite this being on the DNSO website as you note here:

> The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> (Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")

It is not "in place already" and in fact, seems to have garnered
little support on the DNSO list which indicates it is not likely to be
put in place.

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:49:10 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] do we need a mezzanine consensus level?

I posed this question for discussion on ga-icann 
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-icann/Arc00/msg00143.html on sept 13 and 
so far there has not been a single comment, in spite of my cc to the NC 
chair and  members of the review task force.

What is the review task force doing?

Mike Roberts on Icann-europe:

>When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it usually 
>means a period in which the people with the guns make the 
>decisions.  Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent days 
>knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the luxury of 
>debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less society returns.
>
>If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to the 
>Red Cross instead.

Is the ICANN process over??

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:22:20 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Just published: "The dummies guide to turning human tragedy to political advantage"

Joanna and all assembly members,

  Yes I read it not he EU list already.  Terrible and disgusting, not to mention

half phony to boot!  :(

Joanna Lane wrote:

> http://angua.rince.de/icann-europe/2001/09/msg00004.html
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *    From: Mike Roberts <[email-masked]>
> *    Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:23:56 -0700
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> At the time, going on three weeks ago, I had in mind something like
> US $100 from several thousand individuals who actually were willing
> to put their money where their mouth was about having a functioning
> At Large organization.
>
> Today, that idea is out the window, along with a lot of other
> populist notions about any old terrorist around the globe getting to
> vote on how to run the DNS.
>
> When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it
> usually means a period in which the people with the guns make the
> decisions.  Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent
> days knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the
> luxury of debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less
> society returns.
>
> If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to
> the Red Cross instead.
>
> - Mike
>
> ______________________________________________________
>
> Hello Mike,
>
> Excuse me? Unless I am very much mistaken, the implication here is that
> there should not now be a functioning ALSO because "any old terrorist" would
> disguise themselves as an honest, law abiding citizen, then capture the
> bottom-up consensus building mechanism. In case you hadn't noticed,
> terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
> democratic process. The implication that there should not now be a
> functioning ALSO until the USA rids the world of terrorism is equally
> laughable. Terrorism is nothing new, and however many guns are thrown at it,
> it will always exist in one insidious form or another. To try to turn this
> catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
> delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
> suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joanna
>
> P.S. We don't need to debate what constitutes consensus. There is a
> mechanism in place already.
>
> The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> (Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
> Part I:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
> Part II:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
> (Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
> Reader, which is available for free down load at
> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:01:29 +0200
From: "Philip Sheppard" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] The Business Constituency

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"The newly posted draft of the revised Business Constituency Charter ... =
conveniently eliminates the sectoral diversity requirement for NC reps". =

Mr. Younger is mistaken. The charter posted is the BC original charter. =
In common with other constituencies we have a geographic diversity =
requirement for our representatives not a sectoral one. My apologies for =
wasting the time of the GA on this matter that Mr. Younger chose not to =
check with the BC about first.

Philip Sheppard
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