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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:15:48 +0200
From: Grégoire Seither <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Gadsden flag movement

le 16/09/01 9:22, Jeff Williams - < [email-masked] > écrivait :

> I say, the world must recognize, that those that support, in word or
> deed,  terrorists activities, regardless of the means, must be dealt with
> harshly,  directly and consistently.  Those that deny democratic principals in
> any way must be viewed with a suspicious eye, and if provocative
> action or policy is their endeavor, they too, must be dealt with
> appropriately,  and without undo delay.

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<<quote>
Start pounding the USA then... or have you forgotten that Bin Laden was on
our payroll for quite some time ? He's always been a mean motherfucker, but
as long as he was OUR motherfucker, we went along with whatever he was
doing.

We abhor terrorism -- unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing.

My tax dollar has been used to finance Contra terrorism in Central America
who murdered over 40.000 innocent civilians. My tax dollar is being used
right now to support islamic terroris groups in Algeria who murder people
every night. My tax dollar is being used to kill palestinian kids, to starve
iraki kids,  to support the Congo Governement who murdered 800.000 people in
cold blood. My tax dollar upholds the Mafia Governement in Russia who
murders and rapes innocent civilians every day.

In 1988, a US missile cruiser shot down an Iranian airliner en route to
Dubai, under the impression that it was a warplane. 290 civilians died,
their relatives later told to get lost by the US Supreme Court. America paid
$2.9 million in compensation - but only to the families of NON-IRANIAN
passengers.

When it happened, the father of the current American president was then
campaigning for office. His statement was this: "I will never apologise for
the United States. I don't care what the facts are." Today's terrorists
might be equally callous, but surely not more so.

I say WE AMERICANS must recognize that we cannot let patriot hysteria cloud
our vision. Bush's first words to the nation were: "Freedom itself was
attacked this morning." America not only loves freedom - it *owns* freedom.
His big speech on the evening of the attack was littered with words like
"justice", "peace" and "freedom" - not once but repeatedly.

It served to support the dangerous fantasy that America has worn a white hat
for the past five decades. The Americans now calling for their country to
get dirty have missed the fact that their country has played dirty for a
very long time.

Let's mourn, let's grieve, for the horror that has been inflicted upon us is
real, BUT  when it's appropriate let's examine our contribution to the
unsafe world we live in.

It doesn’t have to be like this.

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:33:27 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Gadsden flag movement

On 09:22 16/09/01, Jeff Williams said:
>Those that deny democratic principals in
>any way must be viewed with a suspicious eye, and if provocative
>action or policy is their endeavor, they too, must be dealt with
>appropriately,

ICANN?

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:19:00 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Condemn Cowardly Attack  (Attached)

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Thank you for this, Asaad.

Eric, since your quote about "patriot" tells it is an old French word, may 
be can I explain Joop's usage. Patriot means protecting what you got from 
your fathers ("pater" in latin). So it there is a very traditional phrase 
about French being patriot for Middle-East, Greece, Rome, France and their 
own province and city. We have been so involved in our History - as Joop's 
England did - that this extends to the many countries we shared History 
with or from (Francophonie - French speaking countries - is quite active). 
Even with countries we faught: real peace is when you settle and start 
respecting and liking your enemies for real. This is the way France, 
England, Germany who were still at war 50 years ago are building a common 
nation together on top of a 2000 years old "patrie".

Let me tell you about the world "patrie" :

With Assad we all share a 3000 years old "patrie" from Abraham and many of 
us far far more.

And with Gene Marsh we all share a 4000 years old "patrie" from Iraq. Snake 
is the symbol of life in our cultures since Gilgamesh went to Dilmoun 
(Barhain) and was given the "secret of eternity" (a pearl from a place 
Danes found back in the 60s - including the oyster shells). Actually he 
confused the faith in God and the pearl  people from Noha's descent had 
explained him there. His legend tells he wanted to bring the "secret" to 
his Ancients but a snake swallowed the pearl during his sleep. Since then 
the snake is symbol of eternity and resistance, ballancing the Eden snake. 
People buried a plate with a small snake and a pearl at the entrance of 
their house. Cleopatra drank pearls in vinegar and made a snake to bite her 
as ways to eternity. Then the "secret" - the knowledge of God inherited 
from Noha - traveled north up to Ur and Abraham and then to Israel, Rome 
and Asia and then America, Africa and even New Zealand.

Rattle snake symbol for America shows Yankees and Iraqui are spearated by 
geography and language more than by culture ...

Nearby Barhain there is an island with the Tomb of the "Green Man" revered 
by Islam, many archeologists think it could be Noha's tomb. A symbol I 
like: the first Concord public English and French flights at the same hours 
left Paris to New York and London to Barhain.

Some of ours have become mad. But they are ours.
We have to be careful about fighting the evil, not ourselves.

My 2 cents.
Jefsey

On 08:01 16/09/01, Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. said:
>Dear All distigushed members
>
>  On behalf of the Executive Council of AINC ( Arabic Internet Names 
> Consortium) we issued the attached statement.
>
>
>AINC strongly and unanimously condemns and denounces the vicious inhuman 
>attacks perpetrated against innocent civilians in the U.S. this week. 
>These attacks and the ideologies behind them are absolutely diametrically 
>opposed to the teachings of all religions and to our cultural 
>values.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = 
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>
>Taking human life gratuitously is an extremely grave sin as you see in the 
>Qur'anic verse which reads: "Whosoever kills a human being for other than 
>manslaughter or corruption on the land shall be as if he has killed all 
>mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had 
>saved the life of all mankind," (Al-Ma'idah:32).
>
>Our response to the hatred emails that we received earlier today is that 
>we understand and share the sender s pain and indignation; and we are 
>equally appalled at what transpired this past Tuesday. However, we should 
>not give in to ignorant stereotyping and racial and cultural 
>bigotry.  Islam, the religion of tolerance, whose very name derives from 
>the word "peace", holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the 
>attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, You can find a multitude 
>of verses in the Holy Qur'an that are to this effect.
>
>May God bless the souls of all our dead and grant all of the families with 
>peace and patience and the strength to overcome sorrow. Our hearts and 
>prayers to the families and we ask God to grant the World with Peace and 
>Prosperity.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Asaad Y Alnajjar, Executive Director 
>AINC  <http://www.ArabicDomainName.org>http://www.ArabicDomainName.org
>
>CEO Millennium Inc.  / Los Angeles-USA

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<html>
Thank you for this, Asaad.<br>
<br>
Eric, since your quote about &quot;patriot&quot; tells it is an old
French word, may be can I explain Joop's usage. Patriot means protecting
what you got from your fathers (&quot;pater&quot; in latin). So it there
is a very traditional phrase about French being patriot for Middle-East,
Greece, Rome, France and their own province and city. We have been so
involved in our History - as Joop's England did - that this extends to
the many countries we shared History with or from (Francophonie - French
speaking countries - is quite active). Even with countries we faught:
real peace is when you settle and start respecting and liking your
enemies for real. This is the way France, England, Germany who were still
at war 50 years ago are building a common nation together on top of a
2000 years old &quot;patrie&quot;.<br>
<br>
Let me tell you about the world &quot;patrie&quot; :<br>
<br>
With Assad we all share a 3000 years old &quot;patrie&quot; from Abraham
and many of us far far more.<br>
<br>
And with Gene Marsh we all share a 4000 years old &quot;patrie&quot; from
Iraq. Snake is the symbol of life in our cultures since Gilgamesh went to
Dilmoun (Barhain) and was given the &quot;secret of eternity&quot; (a
pearl from a place Danes found back in the 60s - including the oyster
shells). Actually he confused the faith in God and the pearl&nbsp; people
from Noha's descent had explained him there. His legend tells he wanted
to bring the &quot;secret&quot; to his Ancients but a snake swallowed the
pearl during his sleep. Since then the snake is symbol of eternity and
resistance, ballancing the Eden snake. People buried a plate with a small
snake and a pearl at the entrance of their house. Cleopatra drank pearls
in vinegar and made a snake to bite her as ways to eternity. Then the
&quot;secret&quot; - the knowledge of God inherited from Noha - traveled
north up to Ur and Abraham and then to Israel, Rome and Asia and then
America, Africa and even New Zealand.<br>
<br>
Rattle snake symbol for America shows Yankees and Iraqui are spearated by
geography and language more than by culture ...<br>
<br>
Nearby Barhain there is an island with the Tomb of the &quot;Green
Man&quot; revered by Islam, many archeologists think it could be Noha's
tomb. A symbol I like: the first Concord public English and French
flights at the same hours left Paris to New York and London to Barhain.
<br>
<br>
Some of ours have become mad. But they are ours. <br>
We have to be careful about fighting the evil, not ourselves.<br>
<br>
My 2 cents.<br>
Jefsey<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08:01 16/09/01, Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. said:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Dear All
distigushed members</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<font face="verdana" size=2>On behalf of the Executive Council of
AINC ( Arabic Internet Names Consortium) we issued the attached
statement.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<br>
AINC strongly and unanimously condemns and denounces the vicious inhuman
attacks perpetrated against innocent civilians in the U.S. this week.
These attacks and the ideologies behind them are absolutely diametrically
opposed to the teachings of all religions and to our cultural
values.&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
&quot;urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office&quot; /&gt;<br>
<br>
Taking human life gratuitously is an extremely grave sin as you see in
the Qur'anic verse which reads: &quot;Whosoever kills a human being for
other than manslaughter or corruption on the land shall be as if he has
killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as
if he had saved the life of all mankind,<b><i>&quot;
</i></b>(Al-Ma'idah:32)<b><i>.<br>
</i></b><br>
Our response to the hatred emails that we received earlier today is that
we understand and share the sender s pain and indignation; and we are
equally appalled at what transpired this past Tuesday. However, we should
not give in to ignorant stereotyping and racial and cultural
bigotry.&nbsp; Islam, the religion of tolerance, whose very name derives
from the word &quot;peace&quot;, holds the human soul in high esteem, and
considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, You can
find a multitude of verses in the Holy Qur'an that are to this
effect.<br>
<br>
May God bless the souls of all our dead and grant all of the families
with peace and patience and the strength to overcome sorrow. Our hearts
and prayers to the families and we ask God to grant the World with Peace
and Prosperity.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Asaad Y Alnajjar, Executive Director AINC&nbsp;
<a href="http://www.ArabicDomainName.org">http://www.ArabicDomainName.org</a><br>
<br>
CEO Millennium Inc.&nbsp; / Los Angeles-USA<br>
</blockquote></html>

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:44:59 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Gadsden flag movement

Let's end discussion on the subject of this week's disaster on the GA
list.

We are starting to see the natural result of this discussion
continuing past it's time, which means that emotions will start to
flare up and cause the kinds of messages this list does not need or
want.

There are many forums for discussing this week's disaster, more
appropriate ones, please take the discussions there.   Those lists are
better equipped to deal with the kind of messages that this highly
emotionally charged subject will continue to lead to.

As much as some have tried to tie this into ICANN and domain names in
some way, that also is not an appropriate way of addresses those
issues, by taking advantage of the crisis to promote your views on
these entirely unrelated subjects.

The first couple days of messages were welcome, appropriate, and
natural for any group of people who have a shared interest as most of
us do.  But for a list like this, there must be limits to the ongoing
off topic discussion, especially when the subject is so highly
charged, and inevitably leads to some of the messages we have seen
here this morning.

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Condemn Cowardly Attack  (Attached)

Thank you Asaad and Jefsey and Joop,

> Thank you for this, Asaad.
> 
> Eric, since your quote about "patriot" tells it is an old French word,
> may  be can I explain Joop's usage. Patriot means protecting what you
> got from  your fathers ("pater" in latin). So it there is a very
> traditional phrase  about French being patriot for Middle-East, Greece,
> Rome, France and their  own province and city. We have been so involved
> in our History - as Joop's  England did - that this extends to the many
> countries we shared History  with or from (Francophonie - French
> speaking countries - is quite active).  Even with countries we faught:
> real peace is when you settle and start  respecting and liking your
> enemies for real. This is the way France,  England, Germany who were
> still at war 50 years ago are building a common  nation together on top
> of a 2000 years old "patrie".
> 
> Let me tell you about the world "patrie" :
> 
> With Assad we all share a 3000 years old "patrie" from Abraham and many
> of  us far far more.
> 
> And with Gene Marsh we all share a 4000 years old "patrie" from Iraq.
> Snake  is the symbol of life in our cultures since Gilgamesh went to
> Dilmoun  (Barhain) and was given the "secret of eternity" (a pearl from
> a place  Danes found back in the 60s - including the oyster shells).
> Actually he  confused the faith in God and the pearl  people from
> Noha's descent had  explained him there. His legend tells he wanted to
> bring the "secret" to  his Ancients but a snake swallowed the pearl
> during his sleep. Since then  the snake is symbol of eternity and
> resistance, ballancing the Eden snake.  People buried a plate with a
> small snake and a pearl at the entrance of  their house. Cleopatra
> drank pearls in vinegar and made a snake to bite her  as ways to
> eternity. Then the "secret" - the knowledge of God inherited  from Noha
> - traveled north up to Ur and Abraham and then to Israel, Rome  and
> Asia and then America, Africa and even New Zealand.
> 
> Rattle snake symbol for America shows Yankees and Iraqui are spearated
> by  geography and language more than by culture ...
> 
> Nearby Barhain there is an island with the Tomb of the "Green Man"
> revered  by Islam, many archeologists think it could be Noha's tomb. A
> symbol I  like: the first Concord public English and French flights at
> the same hours  left Paris to New York and London to Barhain.
> 
> Some of ours have become mad. But they are ours.
> We have to be careful about fighting the evil, not ourselves.
> 
> My 2 cents.
> Jefsey
> 
> 
> 
> On 08:01 16/09/01, Asaad Y. Alnajjar - Millennium Inc. said:
>>Dear All distigushed members
>>
>>  On behalf of the Executive Council of AINC ( Arabic Internet Names 
>> Consortium) we issued the attached statement.
>>
>>
>>AINC strongly and unanimously condemns and denounces the vicious
>>inhuman  attacks perpetrated against innocent civilians in the U.S.
>>this week.  These attacks and the ideologies behind them are absolutely
>>diametrically  opposed to the teachings of all religions and to our
>>cultural 
>>values.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = 
>>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>>
>>Taking human life gratuitously is an extremely grave sin as you see in
>>the  Qur'anic verse which reads: "Whosoever kills a human being for
>>other than  manslaughter or corruption on the land shall be as if he
>>has killed all  mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall
>>be as if he had  saved the life of all mankind," (Al-Ma'idah:32).
>>
>>Our response to the hatred emails that we received earlier today is
>>that  we understand and share the sender s pain and indignation; and we
>>are  equally appalled at what transpired this past Tuesday. However, we
>>should  not give in to ignorant stereotyping and racial and cultural 
>>bigotry.  Islam, the religion of tolerance, whose very name derives
>>from  the word "peace", holds the human soul in high esteem, and
>>considers the  attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, You
>>can find a multitude  of verses in the Holy Qur'an that are to this
>>effect.
>>
>>May God bless the souls of all our dead and grant all of the families
>>with  peace and patience and the strength to overcome sorrow. Our
>>hearts and  prayers to the families and we ask God to grant the World
>>with Peace and  Prosperity.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Asaad Y Alnajjar, Executive Director 
>>AINC  <http://www.ArabicDomainName.org>http://www.ArabicDomainName.org
>>
>>CEO Millennium Inc.  / Los Angeles-USA

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:21:54 +0200
From: Alexander Svensson <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Current DNSO General Assembly list discussion

- ----- This is my last posting on this topic. ----

Dear GA members,

I obviously understand everyone's concern with the terrorist 
attacks and its consequences completely. For once, after these 
attacks, ICANN-related issues seemed to me off-topic, and 
messages of sympathy as well as calls for a calm response 
on-topic. The attacks have been a shock far beyond the United 
States, and it is entirely appropriate that this shock is 
echoed in the GA mailing list.

However, condolences are quite different from continuing
to discuss political issues such as past and current US
foreign policy. There are many, many e-mail discussion
lists and web fora discussing these topics, and there
is always the opportunity to continue discussing issues
privately by e-mail with people participating on this list.
Of course, we are not focussed only on ICANN issues,
and there is an understandable desire to exchange views,
especially across international boundaries.

Please don't take it as overly strict limitation of
discussion topics -- the attacks and its consequences
will certainly have a long-lasting impact which needs
to be discussed. But let's start the new week without
discussing issues *on the DNSO-GA list* for which other fora
are better suited. It goes without saying that our thoughts
are and will be with the victims and their families.

Thank you!

Best regards,
/// Alexander

ICANN-*related* links:

Afilias changes Startup Schedule due to events in New York
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg01162.html

Stuart Lynn: Statement Concerning 11 September 2001 Disasters
http://www.icann.org/announcements/statement-14sep01.htm

CSC/Corporate Domains announces that all employees are safe
http://www.cscinfo.com/

Some non ICANN-related discussions:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scriptingNewsWorldTradeCenter
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wtcattack
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sept11info

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:47:47 -0400
From: Dan Steinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: who is Dan Steinberg

Now that things have begun to settle a bit, I thought I would take the time
to update the GA on what has been happening with the UDRP task force.

The short answer is: not much.

A closed working list was set up up shortly before the last ICANN meeting.
There was some call for addition of civil lawyers to the task force to
represent different perspectives.  I pointed out that although the concept
of a 'civil lawyer' might be considered an oxymoron, the GA  already had the
forsight to elect as their representative someone trained in civil law
(moi).   At the ICANN meeting 2 additional geographic representatives were
(unofficially) added to the task force.  These have to be ratified somehow
(and I have no idea who has to ratify).  After that a few introductions were
made, then the tragedy of last week hit. The working list has been pretty
much silent.

I will post relevant issues as they come up.

A while ago, Dan Steinberg wrote:

> My apologies to all for not posting earlier. I have been away on
> vacation with my children this past week. Indeed it was Ken Stubb's
> message  of congratulations that was my first inkling I had been
> elected.
>
> My thanks to those who voted for me and especially to those who recently
>
> spoke out on my behalf when some of the newer participants in the
> process expressed doubts as to who I am.
>
> I still have a backlog of over 280 messages to get through  but I will
> endeavor to add to this posting within 48 hours.
>
> Dan Steinberg
>
> SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology
> 35, du Ravin  phone: (613) 794-5356
> Chelsea, Quebec  fax:   (819) 827-4398
> J9B 1N1                 e-mail:[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:54:30 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Dan Steinberg's report

Dear Dan,
Thx. for the report. Is there any international lawyer in the TF? I would 
be interested in having analysed the interest of TM holders of different 
countries in relation with their own legal, tax, business practices, etc... 
points of view. Myself for example - as a small French TM owner - I do not 
feel my interests protected by the ICANN strategy. And the more it goes the 
less it protects my interests.

If this is true for other countries as well, I am afraid that we see 
developped local DRPs conflicting with the UDRP. This may lead to a very 
complex situation when parties goes to courts. I am also very concerned by 
the situation created by the first nonUS gTLD as one of the reason for the 
Registrants to use it will precisely be that it will not be subject to US 
rules.

In a first stage TF might consider the UDRP flexibility to the DN concept 
variations. As no one has ever wanted to define the domain name as used in 
the UDRP, I think very important at this stage at least to evaluate how 
much the UDRP may adapt to various domain name legal defintions as local 
DRPs will define DN in different ways depending on countries.

Is anyone able to comment on the way ".us" is to build the USDRP? I 
understand that they are supposed to use the UDRP, but they will have to 
adapt to jurisprudence as any other ccTLD. Is there a guidance into the RFP?

Jefsey

On 15:47 16/09/01, Dan Steinberg said:
>Now that things have begun to settle a bit, I thought I would take the time
>to update the GA on what has been happening with the UDRP task force.
>
>The short answer is: not much.
>
>A closed working list was set up up shortly before the last ICANN meeting.
>There was some call for addition of civil lawyers to the task force to
>represent different perspectives.  I pointed out that although the concept
>of a 'civil lawyer' might be considered an oxymoron, the GA  already had the
>forsight to elect as their representative someone trained in civil law
>(moi).   At the ICANN meeting 2 additional geographic representatives were
>(unofficially) added to the task force.  These have to be ratified somehow
>(and I have no idea who has to ratify).  After that a few introductions were
>made, then the tragedy of last week hit. The working list has been pretty
>much silent.
>
>I will post relevant issues as they come up.
>
>A while ago, Dan Steinberg wrote:
>
> > My apologies to all for not posting earlier. I have been away on
> > vacation with my children this past week. Indeed it was Ken Stubb's
> > message  of congratulations that was my first inkling I had been
> > elected.
> >
> > My thanks to those who voted for me and especially to those who recently
> >
> > spoke out on my behalf when some of the newer participants in the
> > process expressed doubts as to who I am.
> >
> > I still have a backlog of over 280 messages to get through  but I will
> > endeavor to add to this posting within 48 hours.
> >
> > Dan Steinberg
> >
> > SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology
> > 35, du Ravin  phone: (613) 794-5356
> > Chelsea, Quebec  fax:   (819) 827-4398
> > J9B 1N1                 e-mail:[email-masked]
>
>--
>Dan Steinberg
>
>SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology
>35, du Ravin  phone: (613) 794-5356
>Chelsea, Quebec  fax:   (819) 827-4398
>J9B 1N1                 e-mail:[email-masked]
>
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:09:15 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Gadsden flag movement

William is exactly right.  Let's end the tub thumping here,
and take our venting elsewhere.  Emergency messages
as to helping find missing people, giving aid, or that kind
of thing excepted. But no more politics, please.

Bill Lovell

William X Walsh wrote:

> Let's end discussion on the subject of this week's disaster on the GA
> list.
>
> We are starting to see the natural result of this discussion
> continuing past it's time, which means that emotions will start to
> flare up and cause the kinds of messages this list does not need or
> want.
>
> There are many forums for discussing this week's disaster, more
> appropriate ones, please take the discussions there.   Those lists are
> better equipped to deal with the kind of messages that this highly
> emotionally charged subject will continue to lead to.
>
> As much as some have tried to tie this into ICANN and domain names in
> some way, that also is not an appropriate way of addresses those
> issues, by taking advantage of the crisis to promote your views on
> these entirely unrelated subjects.
>
> The first couple days of messages were welcome, appropriate, and
> natural for any group of people who have a shared interest as most of
> us do.  But for a list like this, there must be limits to the ongoing
> off topic discussion, especially when the subject is so highly
> charged, and inevitably leads to some of the messages we have seen
> here this morning.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
> Userfriendly.com Domains
> The most advanced domain lookup tool on the net
> DNS Services from $1.65/mo
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The URLs for Best Practices:
DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA." This
page also includes much else about the DNSO.)
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires the Adobe Acrobat Reader,
available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
Part III:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-PartIII.html

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:33:36 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: who is Dan Steinberg

Dan and all assembly members,

Dan Steinberg wrote:

> Now that things have begun to settle a bit, I thought I would take the time
> to update the GA on what has been happening with the UDRP task force.
>
> The short answer is: not much.
>
> A closed working list was set up up shortly before the last ICANN meeting.

  First let me thank you for updating us here.  Well done!  Second, why is
the UDRP Task Force list closed?  Where are the archives located? (URL?)

>
> There was some call for addition of civil lawyers to the task force to
> represent different perspectives.  I pointed out that although the concept
> of a 'civil lawyer' might be considered an oxymoron, the GA  already had the
> forsight to elect as their representative someone trained in civil law
> (moi).   At the ICANN meeting 2 additional geographic representatives were
> (unofficially) added to the task force.  These have to be ratified somehow
> (and I have no idea who has to ratify).  After that a few introductions were
> made, then the tragedy of last week hit. The working list has been pretty
> much silent.
>
> I will post relevant issues as they come up.
>
> A while ago, Dan Steinberg wrote:
>
> > My apologies to all for not posting earlier. I have been away on
> > vacation with my children this past week. Indeed it was Ken Stubb's
> > message  of congratulations that was my first inkling I had been
> > elected.
> >
> > My thanks to those who voted for me and especially to those who recently
> >
> > spoke out on my behalf when some of the newer participants in the
> > process expressed doubts as to who I am.
> >
> > I still have a backlog of over 280 messages to get through  but I will
> > endeavor to add to this posting within 48 hours.
> >
> > Dan Steinberg
> >
> > SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology
> > 35, du Ravin  phone: (613) 794-5356
> > Chelsea, Quebec  fax:   (819) 827-4398
> > J9B 1N1                 e-mail:[email-masked]
>
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>
> SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology
> 35, du Ravin  phone: (613) 794-5356
> Chelsea, Quebec  fax:   (819) 827-4398
> J9B 1N1                 e-mail:[email-masked]
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:43:54 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Register.com diversifying?

When there's no money left in the Registrar business, obviously the next
best thing is auctioning off cartoon porn.

Watch for changes at afternic.com - register.com's domain auction site.

10 year registration - they're obviously planning well into the future...

# whois animesexauction.com

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

   Domain Name: ANIMESEXAUCTION.COM
   Registrar: REGISTER.COM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.register.com
   Referral URL: http://www.register.com
   Name Server: DNS41.REGISTER.COM
   Name Server: DNS42.REGISTER.COM
   Updated Date: 31-aug-2001

>>> Last update of whois database: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:29:38 EDT <<<

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

Found InterNIC referral to whois.register.com.

The data in Register.com's WHOIS database is provided to you by
Register.com for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in
obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration
record.  Register.com makes this information available "as is," and
does not guarantee its accuracy.  By submitting a WHOIS query, you
agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that,
under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) allow, enable,
or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial
advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by
telephone; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to Register.com (or its systems).  The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of Register.com.
Register.com reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.
By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms.

   Organization:
      register.com
      Technical Administrator
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Registrar Name....: Register.com
   Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
   Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

   Domain Name: ANIMESEXAUCTION.COM

      Created on..............: Sun, Aug 19, 2001
      Expires on..............: Fri, Aug 19, 2011
      Record last updated on..: Fri, Aug 31, 2001

   Administrative Contact:
      register.com
      Technical Administrator
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Technical Contact:
      register.com
      Technical Administrator
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Zone Contact:
      register.com
      Technical Administrator
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

   Domain servers in listed order:

   DNS41.REGISTER.COM                                216.21.234.91
   DNS42.REGISTER.COM                                216.21.226.91

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barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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