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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:37:54 +0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Condolances, and News from New York

I would like to join the many of you that already expressed their sentiments 
through the list.

Peter Dengate-Thrush wrote:
>..... I agree that New Yorkers, and "DC-ites" will survive this.

Indeed.
I am confident that Americans will not only survive this tragic event, as 
many other cities and countries have survived war and warlike attack in the 
past, but be able to direct their reaction to those and only to those that 
are responsible for bringing war (sorry, I can't help in not considering 
this as an act of war) on US soil after centuries.

Eric Dierker wrote:
>We pray now especially for Danny as we know not his fate.

Danny is alive and well, but the last time I saw him he was still blocked in 
Montevideo by the cancelled flights, like many others.

About the root being a single point of failure, I don't know how this came 
into the discussion. I thought everybody knew that there are 12 additional 
copies of it around the world, exactly for this purpose.

Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:43:48 +0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Adoption of Resolution

Folks,
As much I share the sentiments of everybody in this list, and share the 
expression of condolences, so much I consider inappropriate a formal motion 
on the subject.
Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:47:37 -0400
From: "David G. Post" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [ga] what we share

I have found the words written by WH Auden at another dark, dark time 
in human history somehow comforting during the last few days. May we, 
too, 'show an affirming flame.'
David Post

"September 1, 1939"
W.H. Auden

I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade;
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night

. . .

Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:59:06 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Broader World Community Responsibility

Leaders and dotcommoners,

Over the last 48 hours of crisis I have received three phone calls, and
over 200 emails from around the world.  I watched and heard the
repeating of far more web site emergency addresses than toll-free
numbers.  I read and heard of countless accounts that e-mail was the
best form of communication to learn of important information on family
and friends.  No the Internet has not surpassed or even caught up with
the phone in popularity of use, but it has dramatically shown its'
importance during this time.

I ask for and propose a brown ribbon working group be established to
analyze how the assignment of names and numbers within the internet may
be even more of a contributor.  A focus on inclusiveness in
communication and participation for prevention of scenarios which lead
to violence instead of communication and a focus on preparedness when
prevention fails.

The term brown ribbon is in direct reflection that the group not be
experts but common netizens who will reach out to experts for
understanding and input.  Bottoms-up with expert advice as opposed to
top down with bottoms-up advice.

I submit that this will be done and the only question is who will take
the lead in making it happen.  While I am extremely critical of ICANN, I
am also its' biggest fan in that somehow every time I try, ICANNTALK on
the Internet. (so I don't always listen, sorry)

ICANN has taken on this responsibility and is the only worldwide body
capable of managing it at this time.  The GA is the current most
inclusive body, by demographics, perhaps on earth.  By the blind luck of
practicing global interaction everyday, on tough subjects, it has the
most capable World Wide Web and Internet and Country Code people
available.

I ask most humbly that our leadership stand up and take part in making
the world a better place by implementing the stewardship of the Internet
in progressive and responsible manner.

Sincerely,
Eric Dierker

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:15:44 +0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Amadeu Abril i Abril elected for a 3 year term to theICANN Board

Eric,

>
>Why would we care so much about geographic diversity and then have a person
>placed upon the board that comes from the registrars constituency.
>
>Mr. Abril may be a fine BoD member but some were excluded from eligibility
>because of where they live but he was not excluded even though he comes 
>from a
>overly represented group.

Overly represented group???
He is the only registrar ever in the Board, if I am not mistaken.

Andy Gardner wrote:
>Oh well, might as well disband the GA, it's basically toothless for 3 years
>now.

I don't see the relation between the weakness of the GA (that I am not 
disputing) and the election of Amadeu.
Can you elaborate on this, please?

>
>Abril will vote the same way Stubbs does - whatever's best for CORE.

I just assume that you did not pay much attention to the votes of the Board, 
then.

>
>What a farce.

For the record, the election was resolved with a 11-10 split vote, so it was 
all but written in advance. To tell you the truth, in the corridors of 
Montevideo people were not indicating Amadeu as the one with more 
chances....

Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:45:58 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Condolances, and News from New York

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> About the root being a single point of failure, I don't know how this came
> into the discussion. I thought everybody knew that there are 12 additional
> copies of it around the world, exactly for this purpose.

Roberto:

The folks on this list have levels of "net savvy" that run from expert to
near zero, I would imagine.  Please elucidate more -- fill us in on the
details!  Or is there an ICANN document (URL?) that describes that
setup?

Bill Lovell

The URLs for Best Practices:
DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA." This
page also includes much else about the DNSO.)
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires the Adobe Acrobat Reader,
available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
Part III:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-PartIII.html

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:20:40 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Adoption of Resolution

|> From: Eric Dierker [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:11 AM
|> 
|> Please adopt the following;

|> We in the General Assembly of the Domain Name Support 
|> Organization are
|> committed
|> and endorse the following principals:
|> 
|> There are no nationalities which we hold above or below any other
|> nationality.
|> All cultures are equal within our perspective.
|> All ethnic groups are equal and good.
|> There are no nations or cultures or ethnicity's which 
|> deserve more or less of our respect.

|> We are committed to making each and every voice heard.
|> We are committed to bridging the gaps of cultural, digital 
|> and linguistic differences.
|> As we commit to Internet stability we commit to Nations which help to
|> commit to World stability.

As we have just been shown, there are those that are against other ways of
life. They practice an extreme form of intolerance. They are the avowed
enemies of everyone here. Turning the other cheek will not work. They
require total submittal to their demands. There is no negotiation. They are
not insane within their culture either. It should worry you, that there are
people dancing in the streets, with joy, at the news of the WTC tragedy.
These are rational people with a deeply felt belief that western culture is
the work of the devil. Their parents, neighbors, and loved ones are proud of
them and praise them for their sacrifice. They will die for their belief.
This is now proven beyond a shadow of doubt.

The principles you provide here ignore the above. Even, turn a blind eye to
them. I believe that this may be self-delusional. It ignores the fact that
there are irreconcilable enemies out there, of culture, etnicity, society,
and belief. More importantly, it commits the organization, in blanket
fashion, to bridging *every* gap. Many of which, are not bridgible. I can
commit to a best-effort attempt, but let us please realise the reality, even
in our mission statements.

Also, we must be careful that the internet isn't seen as a cultural amoeba
either.
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:28:29 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Condolances, and News from New York

|> From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:38 AM

|> About the root being a single point of failure, I don't know 
|> how this came 
|> into the discussion. I thought everybody knew that there are 
|> 12 additional 
|> copies of it around the world, exactly for this purpose.

There are more than that. Those are only the publically available servers.
Every org, serious about security, has their own root zone server. There are
at least six zone server clusters which MHSC installed (about 24 individual
root zone servers, all in dot-NETs) and those are just the ones on
high-capacity backbones (>100Mbps access).
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:27:58 -0400
From: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Condolances, and News from New York

At 09:45 AM 9/13/2001 -0700, William S. Lovell wrote:
>Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> > About the root being a single point of failure, I don't know how this came
> > into the discussion. I thought everybody knew that there are 12 additional
> > copies of it around the world, exactly for this purpose.
>
>Roberto:
>The folks on this list have levels of "net savvy" that run from expert to
>near zero, I would imagine.  Please elucidate more -- fill us in on the
>details!  Or is there an ICANN document (URL?) that describes that
>setup?

         Bill -- You can find a summary of the root server system at 
<http://www.icann.org/committees/dns-root/y2k-statement.htm> (the ICANN 
root server system advisory committee's Y2K report).

Jon Weinberg
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:46:54 +0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Condolances, and News from New York

Bill,

>
>The folks on this list have levels of "net savvy" that run from expert to
>near zero, I would imagine.  Please elucidate more -- fill us in on the
>details!  Or is there an ICANN document (URL?) that describes that
>setup?

The latest document is the presentation done by Jun Murai, ICANN Director 
and Chairman of the Root-Server System Advisory Committee, available at 
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/montevideo/archive/pres/rssac.html.

Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:52:15 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Adoption of Resolution

A hearty thank you to Roberto and Roeland for their contributions.

As always they are quick to point out real existing problems and perhaps more
importantly potential problems.

I especially appreciate their application of sound judgment here as we all know
they are men deeply committed to proper cultural representation.  I hope there
is someone who is retooling my notion (not motion) into a more correct concept.

OTOH,  Joop do we really need all this restructuring.  I am impatient with the
constant delays and studies.  Every reconstruction idea seems to allow
beauracratic compromises to the detriment of the users/holders.
Can you give us some light from the end of the tunnel.  Sometimes it feels like
walking up a steep incline in loose snow or sand.

Sincerely,
Eric

Roeland Meyer wrote:

> |> From: Eric Dierker [mailto:[email-masked]]
> |> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:11 AM
> |>
> |> Please adopt the following;
>
> |> We in the General Assembly of the Domain Name Support
> |> Organization are
> |> committed
> |> and endorse the following principals:
> |>
> |> There are no nationalities which we hold above or below any other
> |> nationality.
> |> All cultures are equal within our perspective.
> |> All ethnic groups are equal and good.
> |> There are no nations or cultures or ethnicity's which
> |> deserve more or less of our respect.
>
> |> We are committed to making each and every voice heard.
> |> We are committed to bridging the gaps of cultural, digital
> |> and linguistic differences.
> |> As we commit to Internet stability we commit to Nations which help to
> |> commit to World stability.
>
> As we have just been shown, there are those that are against other ways of
> life. They practice an extreme form of intolerance. They are the avowed
> enemies of everyone here. Turning the other cheek will not work. They
> require total submittal to their demands. There is no negotiation. They are
> not insane within their culture either. It should worry you, that there are
> people dancing in the streets, with joy, at the news of the WTC tragedy.
> These are rational people with a deeply felt belief that western culture is
> the work of the devil. Their parents, neighbors, and loved ones are proud of
> them and praise them for their sacrifice. They will die for their belief.
> This is now proven beyond a shadow of doubt.
>
> The principles you provide here ignore the above. Even, turn a blind eye to
> them. I believe that this may be self-delusional. It ignores the fact that
> there are irreconcilable enemies out there, of culture, etnicity, society,
> and belief. More importantly, it commits the organization, in blanket
> fashion, to bridging *every* gap. Many of which, are not bridgible. I can
> commit to a best-effort attempt, but let us please realise the reality, even
> in our mission statements.
>
> Also, we must be careful that the internet isn't seen as a cultural amoeba
> either.
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:20:29 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Adoption of Resolution

Roberto and all assembly members,

  I strongly disagree that the formal motion is inappropriate!  At NO other
time
in my life time is such a motion on any forum, in any gathering, for any reason

is such a motion MORE appropriate!  Sheesh Roberto!  :(

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> Folks,
> As much I share the sentiments of everybody in this list, and share the
> expression of condolences, so much I consider inappropriate a formal motion
> on the subject.
> Regards
> Roberto
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:42:05 +1200
From: "Peter Dengate-Thrush" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: The ccTLD position 

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
To: "Peter Dengate-Thrush" <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; "icann board address"
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: The ccTLD position (was Re: [ga] taking positions on country
specific legislation

> Peter and all assembly members,
>
>   This suggestion may well be a good one, but is more difficult given the
> level of distrust that the ICANN BoD and staff have both engendered
> and deserved of late sense MDR.
>

Thank you.
We are working with the staff to attempt to close any communication gaps, at
least as far as our issues are concerned. Part of our situation is that by
effectively withdrawing from the DNSO some long time ago, we have not been
putting our own message across as effectively as we might.

> >
> >
> >   First of all it has already been shown that costs relative to an
At-Large
> membership
> is minimal despite it's size, but would be very difficult to be considered
> legitimate
> should ANY stakeholder be selectively excluded or Censored.

And if the country code registrars lend their support to the collection of
names and fees from cctld registrants who wish to take part in the At Large,
this cost will be even lower.

It would not, in my view be done free, nor is that suggested, but a further
slight load on the existing infrastructure is much cheaper than setting one
up.

If membership is restricted to those IDNH's, I suggest this is not a
question of legitimacy -those are certainly a "legitimate" interest group,
but rather one of completeness.

If you believe there is a wider grouping, how, practically, would you
identify them and process them into the organisation?

And given the nature of this process, would you hold up an advance which
created an At Large with a core legitimate group, and forego the opportunity
to argue for its expansion once its base was solid, because you wanted it
broad from the start? That runs the risk of creating a perpetual martyr
class.
>
>   As for Mike Roberts paper, a basic slur upon the DNSO GA in particular
> IS, and should not be a factor in any rational person/stakeholders mind in
> the makeup of the At-Large.  The ALSC's obviously skewed and well known
> previously determined ideological bent, is NOT a representation of the
> Forum's broad ranging consensus of comments expressed on that forum.
>

I'd rather focus on their arguments and conclusions.

> > OTOH, the ccSO is a force that has emerged under a true bottom up
consensus,
> > not only of those directly affected, but also with support from a
majority
> > of other constituencies.
>
>   I don't believe that I have seen a supporting resolution for the
formation
> of a ccSO coming from any of the other constituency's.  If such a document
> outlining your contention of such support could you please provide us
> all with a pointer(URL) to it?
>
See the presentations of IPC, ISPC and BC constituencies to the Stockholm
forum, where explicit support was announced. This has been confirmed by
those groups in MVO.

The Non-Coms agree that it is a bottom up, and genuine need, but are
concerned about the seats question. Milton Mueller said in our public
meeting that if the 9 seats were safe they would be right alongside us
cheering.

The registry constituency has asked a series of questions, and we are going
to dialogue further with them ,but no opposition has been voiced. Their
reaction, in fact appears much more to be "if you get one , we want one
too". Their explicit concern seems with the small number of cctlds that
choose to market broadly. The concern is that the ccSO might allow policies
which would competitively disadvantage the gTLDs against those.

To be fair, every one is waiting for further clarity of the detail before
providing commitment, which we are now working on.

Regards

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:57:38 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The ccTLD position

Peter and all assembly members,

Peter Dengate-Thrush wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Peter Dengate-Thrush" <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; "icann board address"
> <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: The ccTLD position (was Re: [ga] taking positions on country
> specific legislation
>
> > Peter and all assembly members,
> >
> >   This suggestion may well be a good one, but is more difficult given the
> > level of distrust that the ICANN BoD and staff have both engendered
> > and deserved of late sense MDR.
> >
>
> Thank you.
> We are working with the staff to attempt to close any communication gaps, at
> least as far as our issues are concerned. Part of our situation is that by
> effectively withdrawing from the DNSO some long time ago, we have not been
> putting our own message across as effectively as we might.

  First, you are very welcome, Peter!  >;)

  It may have been a long term mistake to withdraw from the DNSO.  However
it is from our members, many of whom are registrants in various ccTLD's,
that the action to do so in Stockholm, sent a strong message to the questionably

legitimate current ICANN BoD, and staff that the CCTLD's are being ask
for a large portion of ICANN" budget, with out a commensurate level of
representation on the ICANN BoD.  As I and many of our members, this
is how we understand the core concerns of the ccTLD's.  We also
believe that such is more than justified.  Yet, it seems that sense MDR,
and more especially sense Stockholm, there seems to be the beginnings
or retribution coming from the questionably legitimate ICANN BoD,
towards the existing operators/managment of the ccTLD registries.
We wonder if this is not causal to divide the ccTLD registries.

>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >   First of all it has already been shown that costs relative to an
> At-Large
> > membership
> > is minimal despite it's size, but would be very difficult to be considered
> > legitimate
> > should ANY stakeholder be selectively excluded or Censored.
>
> And if the country code registrars lend their support to the collection of
> names and fees from cctld registrants who wish to take part in the At Large,
> this cost will be even lower.

  Agreed this could be effected.  However it would be a form of "Tax"
that many will not wish to pay or feel is unjustified in that ICANN is supposed
to collect it's funds from voluntary means.

>
>
> It would not, in my view be done free, nor is that suggested, but a further
> slight load on the existing infrastructure is much cheaper than setting one
> up.

  Also agreed here as well.  However one may wish to take care in how
this is to be done.  In other words, the ends, does not justify the means
necessarily.  As such the registrants and users should have a vote on how
this is to be accomplished of the ccTLD's (Registrants) and All users for
the (Stakeholders/usres).

>
>
> If membership is restricted to those IDNH's, I suggest this is not a
> question of legitimacy -those are certainly a "legitimate" interest group,
> but rather one of completeness.

  Indeed IDNH's are legitimate stakeholders.  However so are non-domain
name holders.  And one no more than the other...

>
>
> If you believe there is a wider grouping, how, practically, would you
> identify them and process them into the organisation?

  I am not sure which organization you are referencing here?  The At-Large
or the proposed ccSO?

>
>
> And given the nature of this process, would you hold up an advance which
> created an At Large with a core legitimate group, and forego the opportunity
> to argue for its expansion once its base was solid, because you wanted it
> broad from the start?

  Yes I and all of our members (Still growing) would, most definitely!
NO stakeholder is s "Second Class Citizen!"  Nor under legitimatize and
broadly long standing democratic principals would allow for such a
"Second Class Status"!

> That runs the risk of creating a perpetual martyr
> class.
> >
> >   As for Mike Roberts paper, a basic slur upon the DNSO GA in particular
> > IS, and should not be a factor in any rational person/stakeholders mind in
> > the makeup of the At-Large.  The ALSC's obviously skewed and well known
> > previously determined ideological bent, is NOT a representation of the
> > Forum's broad ranging consensus of comments expressed on that forum.
> >
>
> I'd rather focus on their arguments and conclusions.

  Indeed!  And I did in our original response to Mike Roberts inane
paper.  See ALSC Archives for further details...

>
>
> > > OTOH, the ccSO is a force that has emerged under a true bottom up
> consensus,
> > > not only of those directly affected, but also with support from a
> majority
> > > of other constituencies.
> >
> >   I don't believe that I have seen a supporting resolution for the
> formation
> > of a ccSO coming from any of the other constituency's.  If such a document
> > outlining your contention of such support could you please provide us
> > all with a pointer(URL) to it?
> >
> See the presentations of IPC, ISPC and BC constituencies to the Stockholm
> forum, where explicit support was announced. This has been confirmed by
> those groups in MVO.

  I did.  And again I did not see a definitive supporting document..  But
did see qualified ones...

>
>
> The Non-Coms agree that it is a bottom up, and genuine need, but are
> concerned about the seats question. Milton Mueller said in our public
> meeting that if the 9 seats were safe they would be right alongside us
> cheering.

  Exactly!  And therefore is conditional.

>
>
> The registry constituency has asked a series of questions, and we are going
> to dialogue further with them ,but no opposition has been voiced. Their
> reaction, in fact appears much more to be "if you get one , we want one
> too".

  Yes, and here inlies the problem.  If  you (The ccTLD's) get one or two,
We ( The other Constituencies) was and additional or equal number of
BoD seats.

> Their explicit concern seems with the small number of cctlds that
> choose to market broadly.

  Yes, this is a small number now.   But will be growing...

> The concern is that the ccSO might allow policies
> which would competitively disadvantage the gTLDs against those.

  This should not be done!  In fact, I doubt that if attempted, it will be
strongly resisted and may cause to further fragment the DNS.

>
>
> To be fair, every one is waiting for further clarity of the detail before
> providing commitment, which we are now working on.

  Clarity?  Clarity of what?

>
>
> Regards
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Date: 13 Sep 2001 21:36:18 -0700
From: Srikanth Narra <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] America and a prayer

America is more than a patch of land, a bunch of people and two towers of world trade center.

Its also an ideal, a dream and heritage of entire humanity. 

The sorrow, pain and suffering from the tragic event is all of ours - irrespective of our religion, nationality, ethinicity - to bear and cope. 

My condolences to the victims and their families. 

While the authorities apprehend pertetrators and protect the land and people. I pray and hope all of us safeguard and hold high the ideal and dream that's America - in its entire purity. The America that  Benjiman Franklin dreamed of.

For those of you who have been in and around world trade center on the tragic day - pls. if you can drop me a email. I have pictures of four collegues who are missing from the 97th floor in tower one -  I would like to forward. Their parents and families in India are going through hell and anguish - awaiting their status and where abouts - its been 3 days now. Its not exactly an easy exercise for them to reach authorities to find status. For now internet is the only hope.

Sri

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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 03:44:31 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] America and a prayer

Sri and all assembly members,

Srikanth Narra wrote:

> America is more than a patch of land, a bunch of people and two towers of world trade center.

  Much more than just America and americans were attacked on Tue., Sept. 11th
2001.  The World Trade Center is also the headquarters for peoples of the
Whole World interested in Trade and other endeavors.  So the attack was on
all freedom and democratic loving peoples all over the world.

>
>
> Its also an ideal, a dream and heritage of entire humanity.
>
> The sorrow, pain and suffering from the tragic event is all of ours - irrespective of our religion, nationality, ethinicity - to bear and cope.
>
> My condolences to the victims and their families.
>
> While the authorities apprehend pertetrators and protect the land and people. I pray and hope all of us safeguard and hold high the ideal and dream that's America - in its entire purity. The America that  Benjiman Franklin dreamed of.

  I and our members, share in your hope and prayers...

>
>
> For those of you who have been in and around world trade center on the tragic day - pls. if you can drop me a email. I have pictures of four collegues who are missing from the 97th floor in tower one -  I would like to forward. Their parents and families in India are going through hell and anguish - awaiting their status and where abouts - its been 3 days now. Its not exactly an easy exercise for them to reach authorities to find status. For now internet is the only hope.

  IF you will send me these pictures I will get them distributed.  Contact information
would also be very helpful as well.  You also might send these pictures to CNN
and the Red Cross as well and again include any contact information.

>
>
> Sri
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:11:44 +0100
From: "Andy Duff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] America and a prayer

> For those of you who have been in and around world trade center
> on the tragic day - pls. if you can drop me a email. I have
> pictures of four collegues who are missing from the 97th floor in
> tower one -  I would like to forward. Their parents and families
> in India are going through hell and anguish - awaiting their
> status and where abouts - its been 3 days now. Its not exactly an
> easy exercise for them to reach authorities to find status. For
> now internet is the only hope.

Sri,

One of my colleagues has identified a friends and families database at
http://status.finebrand.com/ which is one among many that people are using.
I am sure there are other databases which you will be able to get access to.
My thoughts are with you and all so deeply affected by these events.

Andy

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