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GA-DIGEST          Saturday, August 25 2001          Volume 01 : Number 701

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:55:25 -0700
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: ICANN meeting in Montevideo

On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:13:52PM -0400, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> Jefsey:

Hi Vany -- are you aware that you sent a message with 400 lines of text
quoted from previous messages? Personally, I would really appreciate it
if you would trim your messages a bit, and I'm sure that many other
people would appreciate it as well... 

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:00:06 -0700
From: Kent Crispin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN | Advisory | 23 August 2001

On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 06:31:56PM -0400, Derek Conant wrote:
> Now respectfully, you should know better than to waste your time
> supporting a position that will never be actualized. 

Derek, I wonder if you would mind editing out the useless volumes of 
quoted text from your email messages.  There is absolutely no reason to 
subject us to receiving the same stuff 3 or 4 times over...

[300 lines of worthless quotes removed]

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:33:03 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] french candidate Eric Jonvel  - ICANN meeting in Montevideo

on 8/24/01 9:51 PM, Jefsey Morfin at [email-masked] wrote:

<snip>

>I do not undestand that candidates and NC members
> must purchase the right to share in decisions.
> 
> I find this unfair, dishonnest, and most of all totally inneficient ...
> Don't you?
> 
> Jefsey

Yes.

Regards,

Joanna

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:37:18 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: ICANN meeting in Montevideo

on 8/24/01 9:35 PM, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales at [email-masked] wrote:

> Jefsey:
> 
> Let  me tell you that SOs are an structures within ICANN, not contractors of
> ICANN.
> None SO is independent neither external from ICANN.
> 
> Contractors are external entities.  The SOs are part of the internal structure
> of ICANN.
> 
> Best Regards
> Vany

Hello Vany,

If DNSO is internal to ICANN, then it is ICANN's responsibility to fund it,
and no SO should be expected to fund itself externally. Isn't that Jefsey's
point?

Regards,

Joanna

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
Reader, which is available for free down load at
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:12:41 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] french candidate Eric Jonvel  - ICANN meeting inMontevideo

on 8/24/01 9:49 PM, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales at [email-masked] wrote:

> ICANN has being honest in not show any favoritism for any
> candidate in any means.

Honesty is not the issue. Participation by all affected stakeholders in the
process is the issue. Without wishing to put words into Jefsey's mouth, I
think he is saying that ICANN discriminates against those with few material
gains. By upholding a policy that insists every participant is responsible
for their own funding, which policy favors the wealthy and those who are
subsidised by corporate funding, ICANN is not offering equal opportunities
for all affected stakeholders. The evidence is there for all to see.

The bottom line is that, under the current structure, if a person seeks to
participate fully, including at top level, they have to "pay to play", and
for some affected groups, that is simply not possible (witness the NCDNHC
difficulties). Assuming that most of the public are not wealthy, ICANN has a
duty to develop a policy, and the practical means to implement such a
policy, that does not discriminate against any financially disadvantaged
group. The Bylaws, under which ICANN operates, are there to protect the
public benefit, and ignoring the issue of unequal wealth in this world
doesn't make the problem go away.

Regards,

Joanna

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
Reader, which is available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:14:49 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN | Advisory | 23 August 2001

Dear friends,

I just chatted with two Somali immigrants out for a stroll.  They were young
lovers experiencing a chance walk together and we admired the stars
together.  We debated the good and bad of the lights of so many obviscating
the constellations we share at different times of the year. (only six months
ago they had each used those stars to navigate their way to freedom)

What relevance you ask?  total relevance is the answer!!!   Within the
repetition of the common we find enlightenment of the whole. There is great
cause for concern here.  We must dim the lights of our own requirements so
that others may shine brightly without interference.

dotINFO and dot BIZ are floodlights upon all that is wrong with our
proliferation.  I am greatly saddened by their proliferation,  yet I trust
the goodwill of participants to make matters right.

Please all continue to contribute, as a mole' or chicken soup we do better
with our *villages'* contribution.
I checked ten names contributing over the last month that have not
contributed in the year, we are making progress!

Sincerely,

Eric

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Kent, Derek and all assembly members,
>
>   Again, I would like to thank you Derek, for including the previous
> responses on this thread in your response for both historical as
> well as following along by other participants.  Please continue
> this excellent practice!  >;)

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:20:38 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Best Practices/ who objects?

And Mr. Younger please explain why these have not been implemented.  No
I mean really why we have not adopted them defacto.  If you answer with
garbage you shall reap what you sow.

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
Reader, which is available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:26:32 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN | Advisory | 23 August 2001

Are you on a dial-up line these days?

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Kent Crispin [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:00 PM
|> To: [email-masked]
|> Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN | Advisory | 23 August 2001
|> 
|> 
|> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 06:31:56PM -0400, Derek Conant wrote:
|> > Now respectfully, you should know better than to waste your time
|> > supporting a position that will never be actualized. 
|> 
|> Derek, I wonder if you would mind editing out the useless volumes of 
|> quoted text from your email messages.  There is absolutely 
|> no reason to 
|> subject us to receiving the same stuff 3 or 4 times over...
|> 
|> [300 lines of worthless quotes removed]
|> 
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:07:23 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] french candidate Eric Jonvel  - ICANN meetinginMontevideo

I'm afraid that what we are seeing here is "good old American politics."
What happens in American politics is that "warchests" are put together,
by which is meant piles of money from the backers of the candidate.
And who are those backers?  Other citizens who happen to have
money, have some sympathy with the aims of the candidate, perhaps,
but often want the candidate to do something for them if elected.  This
latter kind of problem is not likely to arise in an ICANN context --
what power to do anything to aid an individual backer would a
winning candidate ever have? -- but the rest remains.

By that "rest" I mean that the less wealthy candidates are coming
into a role in which they must "campaign" not just for votes, but
for financial backing. That may seem unfortunate, but not to do so
is to leave the field to the rich, as it is said that Rockefeller "bought"
his elections out of his own pocket, Ross Perot certainly tried to,
and JFK, of course, "bought Richard Daley and Cook County
to gain the Presidency."  There must be developed enough of an
interest in these elections, and enough commitment to the goals
of some particular candidate, to ensure that such candidate will
be able, not in this case to buy "air time" on the tube, or ads in
the newspapers, but at least (at this stage of the development
of ICANN) to show up at various international meetings.

The candidate that has the "platform" that will best serve the bulk
of Internet users,  "Individuals," "Registrants," "Domain Name
Holders," and the like, and has made those principles and goals
clear, should be acknowledged and recognized for such efforts
by General Assembly members through the development of private
"warchests" that would support the "candidate of their choice."
It is enough of a sacrifice of a candidate to put in the many hours,
over months and indeed years, that it takes to encompass the issues
that ICANN faces, develop sound policies to address those issues,
and then articulate those policies in these pages, while at the same
time trying to keep body and soul together.  If the members of the
General Assembly are not willing to back that kind of effort at
least to the extent that a candidate can have an even playing field
(just to be able to "show up" at a meeting, for heaven's sake!), well,
the old saw is that "people get the kind of government they deserve" --
the rich will continue to reign.

In principle, Joanna is quite correct in what she says below.
However, it seems evident to me that ICANN is not going
to loose a dime for less wealthy candidates, so it is again the
job of the GA membership to make itself known.  These are
indeed  a good cross-section of the stakeholders to whom
Joanna refers, and for whom she is fighting, and I now feel
that "the ball is in their court."

The dominant feature of ICANN, from its formation, has been
its control by the rich and powerful, and what we have got out
of that is such things as the UDRP for the trademark lobby,
Registries and Registrars were necessarily given SOs but
nobody ever heard of the Registrants (who, being the "public,"
are really those for the benefit of whom the Internet is supposed
to be run), and the whole rest of that sad litany.  If the members
of the General Assembly really want to change that, they will
have to do it in the old fashioned way: select a candidate that
will represent your interests well, and then back that candidate
to the hilt -- both with your vote and with your check book.
This is the real world here, the seat of power is the Board
of Directors of ICANN, and over time it must be filled with
people such as Joanna (and Karl Auerbach) who have been
captured by no one, are not corporate puppets, and truly
have the interests of the stakeholders at heart. There must
be the same kind of "power play" that gained advantage to
others who were willing to join together to make that effort.

(It should be added, of course, that "puppets" can be found
throughout the ICANN structure, so what is said above does
not just apply to Board of Directors elections.)

Bill Lovell

Joanna Lane wrote:

> on 8/24/01 9:49 PM, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales at [email-masked] wrote:
>
> > ICANN has being honest in not show any favoritism for any
> > candidate in any means.
>
> Honesty is not the issue. Participation by all affected stakeholders in the
> process is the issue. Without wishing to put words into Jefsey's mouth, I
> think he is saying that ICANN discriminates against those with few material
> gains. By upholding a policy that insists every participant is responsible
> for their own funding, which policy favors the wealthy and those who are
> subsidised by corporate funding, ICANN is not offering equal opportunities
> for all affected stakeholders. The evidence is there for all to see.
>
> The bottom line is that, under the current structure, if a person seeks to
> participate fully, including at top level, they have to "pay to play", and
> for some affected groups, that is simply not possible (witness the NCDNHC
> difficulties). Assuming that most of the public are not wealthy, ICANN has a
> duty to develop a policy, and the practical means to implement such a
> policy, that does not discriminate against any financially disadvantaged
> group. The Bylaws, under which ICANN operates, are there to protect the
> public benefit, and ignoring the issue of unequal wealth in this world
> doesn't make the problem go away.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joanna
>
> The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> (Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
> Part I:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
> Part II:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
> (Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
> Reader, which is available for free down load at
> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
>
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The URLs for Best Practices:
DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:10:28 +0200
From: Grégoire Seither <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Un message aux français...

le 24/08/01 18:08, Dom... - < [email-masked] > écrivait :

> Plein de bonnes volonté, me voilà donc inscrit depuis quelques
> temps, mais je dois hélas avouer que mon manque de maîtrise de la
> langue anglaise me fait passer à côté de pas mal de chose.

En effet, mais on t'avait prévenu... et puis, fallait te manifester plus tot
si tu bitais rien.... :-))

Tu peux aussi t'abonner à la liste icann-fra

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icann-fra/>

mais les échanges sont bien plus intéressants ici :-)

> Je n'ai pas trouvé comment voter, et je pense qu'aujourdhui,
> c'est sans doute trop tard...

Pourtant Jefsey a plusieurs fois publié un mode d'emploi détaillé sur les
diverses listes francophones... il s'est encore fait allumer pour cela
récemment sur la liste IRIS.

... encore une fois, il fallait demander si tu ne savais pas.... :-))

Quand à la traduction vu le volume sur cette liste, c'est un boulot à temps
plein...

Amicalement

Grégoire

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:09:56 -0400
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: ICANN meeting in Montevideo

The "should" is ICANN.  Any internal structure organization within 
ICANN should be funded by ICANN.  If not, then ICANN should 
separate the SOs from itself and recognize self-formed 
organizations that represent segments of the internet community 
world wide.  Of course, doing that would open the doors for the 
greater community to influence policy at ICANN for the greater 
good - a frightening concept for the power brokers.

I think the point is that the structure needs change, but in the 
meantime, ICANN has seen to it that only certain segments have a 
voice in policy making and those the ones who have the money - 
IP interests and major corporations.  DN holders, Noncoms and 
users are the poor relations and ignored.

"Pay to play" is no better than the feudal system of the middle 
ages.  ICANN supports a club of the monied special interests and 
will continue to do so if allowed.  However, it will take more then 
rhetoric on the GA list to effect any change.

The problem, as I see it, with the GA is that it is not in a position 
to have any influence on ICANN policy without DNSO restructuring. 
 Until then, who or what entity or entities will fund it?  It's a catch-
22.  

Meanwhile, the game goes on.  There are those in the GA who are 
working diligently to effect change and are being fought at every 
turn by those who want to see the status quo and disenfranchise 
all but those power brokers.  Nothing changes.

Jeff is right on the one hand.  To get anything done, find a way to 
fund the GA and rally behind it.  But at the same time, find a way 
to restructure to give it a place where its voice counts and perform 
serious outreach to increase the volume of its voice.

Leah

On 25 Aug 2001, at 3:20, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Joanna and all assembly members,
> 
> Joanna Lane wrote:
> 
> > on 8/24/01 9:35 PM, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales at [email-masked]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Jefsey:
> > >
> > > Let  me tell you that SOs are an structures within ICANN, not
> > > contractors of ICANN. None SO is independent neither external from
> > > ICANN.
> > >
> > > Contractors are external entities.  The SOs are part of the
> > > internal structure of ICANN.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Vany
> >
> > Hello Vany,
> >
> > If DNSO is internal to ICANN, then it is ICANN's responsibility to
> > fund it, and no SO should be expected to fund itself externally.
> > Isn't that Jefsey's point?
> 
>   Yes I believe this was PART of Jefsey's point.  Indeed the DNSO is
> part of ICANN. In fact it is an SO.  But the GA is the "Assembly" of
> the DNSO. It should fund itself if the ICANN BoD and staff is not
> going to, which it looks like it isn't going to do....
> 
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joanna
> >
> > The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
> > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> > (Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> > Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
> > Part I:
> > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
> > Part II:
> > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
> > (Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
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> > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:50:24 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Best Practices/ who objects?

Dear Contributors both silent and loud,

Oh my,  this post has been pointed out as highly critical of our leader.
It was meant to give him the opportunity to be critical of our system and
suggest remedies.  I feel quite confident that he would exercise his power
to implement the rules swiftly and with fairness, but that some other
reason exists that he cannot.  I also understand that the authors are not
fully satisfied with the works and would rather it be perfected prior to
full usage.  That is why I improperly used the latin defacto.  I find no
reason why Danny cannot simply order that they be implemented.  If Swensson
can unilaterally suspend me from the list based upon rules not voted upon
certainly Danny can invoke these best practices in the same manner.  Lets
just call it marshall law;-}

Eric

Eric Dierker wrote:

> And Mr. Younger please explain why these have not been implemented.  No
> I mean really why we have not adopted them defacto.  If you answer with
> garbage you shall reap what you sow.
>
> The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> (Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
> Part I:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
> Part II:
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
> (Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
> Reader, which is available for free down load at
> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:21:48 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] ALSC report to be issued on Monday

Dear members,

The following is a message that I have received from the ALSC:

The At-Large Study Committee will be releasing its draft report regarding
At-Large membership on Monday, August 27.  The Committee members are eager
to hear the DNSO General Assembly's perspectives and would like the
opportunity to discuss the ALSC's draft recommendations.  Would it be
possible to have some time on your agenda in Montevideo on September 8 for
an ALSC presentation and discussion of the draft report?

In addition, I wanted to make sure the GA is aware of the ALSC's Montevideo
outreach meeting, which is scheduled for September 7, 10:00 -12:00 and
17:00 - 19:00.  The meeting will focus on the ALSC's draft report and the
General Assembly's participation would be appreciated.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Denise Michel
Executive Director
At Large Study Committee
[email-masked]

I am currently organizing the timeslots for the GA session in Montevideo, and 
will be posting a tentative schedule within a few days.  If there are 
scheduling suggestions to be made, please feel free to let me know.  Everyone 
wishing to speak at Montevideo will be provided with an opportunity to do so.

Best regards,
Danny
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:10:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: ICANN meeting in Montevideo

Hi Leah, Jefsey and Joana:

I really would like to see DNSO funded by other means instead from
constituencies.

All constituencies funds DNSO activities including GA activities.  I would
like that unability to pay doesn't be an obstacle for the constiuencies to
vote through NC members. In fact ths is not democracy.  Even in my
coutnry, people with debts have the right to vote.

But comming back again to the candiates for Board Directors.
Extrapolating it to our politic system, political parties, independent
candidates, etc, are not funded by the government.  All political prties
and even the independent candiates (by the way, in my country you cannot
be an independent candidate, in other it is permissible) begins from the
next day of elections to prepare themselves for the next election 5 years
later, by means of fundraising amongst members, activities, alliances,
etc.

However, GA is not a political party, NC is not a political party, ICANN
Board members are not political parties.  We are a whole DNSO and not only
the NC has the duty to search solutions.  All members of DNSO has the duty
to work on solutions, including every member of the GA.

 I am not agree with the philosophy of "pay to play".  However, the
conditions was like this since ICANN creation.  It is not now that we are
facing the same problem.

I know that Joana submited sometime ago some proposals to resolve
situations like this one.

I propose that instead of following discussing how unfair or not is the
system right now...begin to discuss all posible solutions...Maybe Joana
wants to submit it again as a begining of the discussion about solutions.
Everybody is welcome to contribute with solutions, with grants, etc.

Proposals of solutions can be from changing By-Laws, convincing ICANN to
set travel grants for candidates to Board of Directors (this should
include al SOs and At Large, if we want to be fair), encourage ICANN to
search external sources for this specific issuue...it can be that the GA
itself make a work of indentifying sources of funds and coordinate with
ICANN and NC the submission of a proposal, and I am sure that there are
members with very creative and factible ideas.

Best Regards
Vany

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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:05:54 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Endorsements

Dear voters,

I have yet to be challenged as the dotcommoner voice and as such is the
case I cajole, plead, beg and ask all of you to endorse our two
candidates for the board.  Jefsey and Joanna.

It is rather fun to blow their horns as they work hard.  After all my
title is Global Internet Strategist and I work for a company that
markets and builds schools the world over.  Allow me to market these two
fine individuals (notice I used the word individual as opposed to person
to begin my persuasion that they act separate and as good people not
bought politicians) they are my friends.

JEFSEY

In Melbourne I watched a dignified man command authority and respect
during the raucous caucus of the GAC, he took the time to shake my hand
and welcome a dot commoner to the foray. In his eyes I felt a deep
concern for us. I felt as though I should call him captain, because I
would have ultimate trust in his handling of my ship and the lives of
our crew and passengers.  Such would be his stewardship of his
responsibilities to the GA.

JOANNA

In the WG-Review we worked ridiculous hours.  We were tasked by Burton
and Sotiris and crippled by time only supplanted by YJ Park.  And as I
threw two pages of garbage relating to Outreach and Multilingualism it
was caught and beautified and put into practical forum by Joanna.  This
woman has the capacity to take your tears and create a declaration on
Independence worthy of us all.  She shall be known as the Mother Theresa
of the Internet as she protects my and your privacy and rights.

BLESS THEM BOTH

These are only my views based on countless hours of research and
association.  I suggest you all either follow my advice or spend
thousands of hours researching and come to the same conclusion.

Sincerely,
eric
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:19:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN | Advisory | 23 August 2001

Roeland and all:

I appreacite that Kent has remember to all of us about this issue.
I don't know about Kent, but I, from my home as many panamanians, many
latinamericans, africans, asians, etc, from
their homes use dialup lines with modems of 33.6K and 56K.  So, Kent has a
point.

I know in USA a DSL with a downstream of 2Mbps costs $50.00 a month.  Here
in Panama the same can cost $500.00 a month.

Anyway, Kent thank you for your reminder.

Best Regards
Vany

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:

> Are you on a dial-up line these days?
>
> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: Kent Crispin [mailto:[email-masked]]
> |> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:00 PM
> |> To: [email-masked]
> |> Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN | Advisory | 23 August 2001
> |>
> |>
> |> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 06:31:56PM -0400, Derek Conant wrote:
> |> > Now respectfully, you should know better than to waste your time
> |> > supporting a position that will never be actualized.
> |>
> |> Derek, I wonder if you would mind editing out the useless volumes of
> |> quoted text from your email messages.  There is absolutely
> |> no reason to
> |> subject us to receiving the same stuff 3 or 4 times over...
> |>
> |> [300 lines of worthless quotes removed]
> |>
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> |> [email-masked]                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:15:24 -0400
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN | Advisory | 23 August 2001

They may be "> > worthless quotes" to you, however, I believe that it is
good practice to have an accurate record regarding the text one is
responding to.  This is why email messages I am responding to and its
text are quoted in my email comments.

It is also difficult to understand email comments from others if the
email message and text being addressed is not quoted. 

Give us a break.  Are you trying to confuse people here, or what?  If
you don't like quoted text, then simply ignore the quoted text.  

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

Telephone:  (202) 801-0158
Facsimile:  (202) 234-0685
E-mail:  [email-masked]

Kent Crispin wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 06:31:56PM -0400, Derek Conant wrote:
> > Now respectfully, you should know better than to waste your time
> > supporting a position that will never be actualized.
> 
> Derek, I wonder if you would mind editing out the useless volumes of
> quoted text from your email messages.  There is absolutely no reason to
> subject us to receiving the same stuff 3 or 4 times over...
> 
> [300 lines of worthless quotes removed]
> 
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