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GA-DIGEST           Tuesday, August 21 2001           Volume 01 : Number 689

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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:44:39 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Webcast of Today's NC Meeting

|> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:33 AM

|> I hope you are paying attention to Joanna, Bill, Roeland, 
|> William, Myself, 
|> etc. as we are all trying to help you limp along with the 
|> idea that someday 
|> you will get up and walk, possibly run.

I would be happy to get to the consistent crawl stage. Currently, it's
mostly "grope 'n' slither" (anyone who's had kids, knows what I mean here).

The aircraft analogy is that our climb-rate is -2K fpm, throttles are
against the wall, the air speed indicator is not indicating anything useful,
and the stall warning lights are "on". We can't get any lift until the pick
up some air-speed folks. We still have some altitude, I suggest that we push
the stick forward.

For amuzement and hints about what to do in this situation:
http://www.bizreport.com/article.php?id=1927

ICANN isn't the only dot-com to go through this.
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:28:17 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Webcast of Today's NC Meeting

Unfunded public bids are made all the time. Witness the RFP for ICANN and
the US RFP for the US TLD. Neither are funded. That is a case where the RFP
process is used to solicit volunteerism or philanthropy. It also spells out
where the bidder is allowed to make profits from the event, or not. Yes,
they are more like a joint-venture, but isn't everything?

In short, I agree with Kristy. ICANN should solicit outside the ICANN camp.
I consider Berkman within the ICANN camp, just like Jones-Day.

|> From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:47 AM

|> And...by the way Kristy, Berkman Center make an nice job offering the
|> webcasting, realtime scribes, etc, in ICANN meetings.  
|> However, in the last
|> ICANN meeting, they requested $50000.00 from which DNSO had 

|> Go to a public bid:  Regardless how much does cost, in fact 
|> we cannot afford
|> it!    So, why go to a public bid if we cannot pay?
|> 
|> Donations and volunteers are always welcome (Bret, thank you for your
|> invaluable help with teleconference recording).

|> Kristy McKee wrote:

|> > The fact that you don't go through an Open-Bid process is 
|> clearly your first mistake.
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:39:22 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

|> From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:[email-masked]]
|> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 4:49 PM
|> 
|> At 08:51 20/08/01 -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
|> >The point is that there has been small local participation 
|> in such things.
|> 
|> That could be changed, if there was a strong will to change 
|> it. Local 
|> participation is the justification for far-flung ICANN 
|> meetings. Local 
|> organizers will need all the help they can get.
|> 
|> >Coming down from the SF Bay Area, for MdR, I spent over 
|> $3000. Analysis of
|> >Stockholm forcated expenses yields a similar number. My 
|> larger issue is loss
|> >of 1.5 weeks of billing, a constant for all ICANN meetings, 
|> with very
|> >little/none probable effect on new business or positive 
|> effect on revenue.
|> 
|> That is the larger expense that is rarely talked about by 
|> participants who 
|> do not face such revenue loss.
|> It needs to be recognized.

If we could charge-off the time as a charitable expense, it would help.
ICANN *is* a non-profit, after all...
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:40:56 -0700
From: "Tim Langdell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] XTNS Launches New Domain Naming System

Roeland,

Hi. Welcome to the topic.<grin> I'll assume it is all right to respond to
you unless someone tells me otherwise (that this is too far off topic or
whatever).

Put simply we have the exclusive license for non-ICANN domain name strings
in the IE browser (strings with dots in) that we are calling Domain
Namespaces to seek to differentiate them from ICANN/DoC approved domain
names/TLDs. Realnames itself does not offer this service, they would merely
refer you to us.

We are in process of placing servers around the planet; the name resolution
and lookup for our namespaces will take place in our servers, our network.

Tim

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From: "Roeland Meyer" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Tim Langdell'" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>; "Jefsey
Morfin" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] XTNS Launches New Domain Naming System

> This is a little off-topic *even* for this list. <g>
>
> I see that you are adding a presentation layer to the DNS. But, why don't
I
> go directly to RealNames? What are yo doing that RN isn't? Aren't you also
> using the RN server network? As a site operator, how do I maintain my
names?
> How do I make the mapping from DNS to my web content? How do I map other
> services like; SSHD, SMTP, POP3D, IMAPD, TIME, NNTP, KERBEROS, BGP, etc?
>
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>
> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: Tim Langdell [mailto:[email-masked]]
> |> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:24 AM
> |> To: [email-masked]; Jefsey Morfin
> |> Subject: Re: [ga] XTNS Launches New Domain Naming System
> |>
> |>
> |> Jeffsey
> |>
> |> If I understand your question correctly ...
> |>
> |> No, for us the "my_name.my_corp" would be an SLD and a TLD
> |> in your ICANN
> |> manner of speaking (we wish to call them Domain Namespaces
> |> to differentiate
> |> them from ICANN TLDs). But they are still just in effect SLD and TLD.
> |> Nothing different in that regard to name.com or name.biz (there is no
> |> parallel here to a method that uses 4LDs and 3LDs).
> |>
> |> In other words, we do resolution just about as you are used
> |> to thinking of
> |> it being done, but we do it at the browser level rather than
> |> DNS server
> |> level.
> |>
> |> Tim
> |>
> |> ----- Original Message -----
> |> From: "Jefsey Morfin" <[email-masked]>
> |> To: <[email-masked]>
> |> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:04 PM
> |> Subject: Re: [ga] XTNS Launches New Domain Naming System
> |>
> |>
> |> > Dear Tim,
> |> > The GA is becoming more "unlocked Internet" oriented than
> |> > the TLDA!
> |> >
> |> > If I understand your reasoning, when a Registrant registers:
> |> > "my_name.my_corp"
> |> >
> |> > For me                    my_name is an SLD and my_corp is a TLD.
> |> > For you                   my_name is a 3LD and my_corp is an SLD
> |> > For New.net             my_name is a 4LD and my_corpo is a 3LD.
> |> > For NameSlinger      they are already registered
> |> > For the TLD Trust     they might be protected.
> |> > For Stuart Lynn        it is an heresy unless my corp could sign a
> |> >                                contract with the ICANN in
> |> that case it is
> |> >                                a TLD that ICANN is going to sell to
> |> VeriSign.
> |> >
> |> > Great. So you work on top of the DNS, New.net on top of
> |> the top of the
> |> DNS,
> |> > I respect the DNS as per RFC 920 and Stuart Lynn protects his own
> |> > understanding of the DNS as per the second version of his
> |> permanent ICP-3.
> |> >
> |> > Actually it boils down to try to solve the single
> |> authoritatve point of
> |> > stockpiling by VeriSign.
> |> > Stuart: permanent ICP-3 needs a new release again.
> |> >
> |> > Jefsey
> |> >
> |> > On 19:05 15/08/01, Tim Langdell said:
> |> >
> |> >------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
> |> -
> |> > >-------------------------
> |> > >Press Release
> |> > >XTNS Domain Namespaces Revolutionize Navigation, Brand
> |> Identities and
> |> > >Trademark Control on the Internet
> |> > >Pasadena-Based Start-Up Unveils a Domain Namespace System
> |> Powered by
> |> > >RealNames Technology To Enable Limitless Creation of New Internet
> |> Addresses
> |> > >that Are Simple, Memorable, and Work in All Languages.
> |> > >
> |> > >PASADENA, Calif., August 15, 2001 - Today, XTNSSM (Extended Name
> |> Services,
> |> > >Inc., http://www.xtns.net) announced the first availability of its
> |> "Extended
> |> > >NamespacesSM ," a new form of Internet domain names set
> |> to revolutionize
> |> the
> |> > >way we navigate the Internet worldwide and leverage
> |> commercial brands.
> |> XTNS'
> |> > >s new Domain Namespaces answer at least three major
> |> market demands:
> |> massive
> |> > >over-crowding of the ".com" domain and the extreme need
> |> for new domains;
> |> the
> |> > >need for a new more simple naming convention to replace existing
> |> > >hard-to-remember lengthy URLs; and the substantial
> |> worldwide demand for
> |> > >language-specific domain names. Now corporations can own
> |> and control
> |> entire
> |> > >XTNS Domain Namespaces such as "anything.brand" and
> |> create their own
> |> names
> |> > >in over 150 languages worldwide.
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >XTNS is working in partnership with RealNames Corporation, whose
> |> technology
> |> > >is already embedded worldwide in the Microsoft Internet
> |> Explorer browser.
> |> > >Being based on UNICODE the RealNames system enables XTNS
> |> names to work
> |> > >automatically and immediately in all languages and
> |> character sets. Thus
> |> XTNS
> |> > >Extended Namespaces can now be accessed and queried by
> |> 88% or over 360
> |> > >million of the world's Internet users -- in their own
> |> language without
> |> any
> |> > >need to download additional software or enroll with a
> |> particular ISP.
> |> > >
> |> > >"Corporations can now finally gain control of their brand
> |> identity on the
> |> > >Internet," said Tim Langdell, XTNS's CEO. "No longer
> |> constrained to
> |> market
> |> > >new products and services to the public in the form of
> |> > >http://www-dot-something-dot-something, forward-slash
> |> some complex series
> |> of
> |> > >letters and numbers, companies can now use our new
> |> simpler names in the
> |> form
> |> > >'service.company' or 'product.brand' and do so in
> |> virtually any language
> |> in
> |> > >the world. A key thrust will be to enable global
> |> corporations to control
> |> > >their branding around the world enabling Internet
> |> navigation in Japanese,
> |> > >Chinese, Korean, Spanish, French, German and over 150
> |> other languages. We
> |> > >believe this is a watershed event, marking a new era of a vastly
> |> simplified
> |> > >marketing message and intuitive navigation of web content
> |> worldwide."
> |> > >
> |> > >Keith Teare, founder and CEO of RealNames Corp. said of this new
> |> partnership
> |> > >"XTNS is the first to offer this new form of namespace to
> |> the world based
> |> > >upon RealNames Keyword technology, and to understand the limitless
> |> potential
> |> > >and flexibility this technology can bring to Internet users -
> |> specifically,
> |> > >easy to remember and use names that work automatically in
> |> any language
> |> from
> |> > >virtually any desktop on the planet. The beauty of
> |> Keyword technology is
> |> > >that it is not constrained by syntax and it allows
> |> virtually limitless
> |> > >combinations in delivering custom namespaces with
> |> prefix.something or
> |> > >something.brand."
> |> > >
> |> > >Simpler Multilingual Domain Namespaces That Anyone Can Remember.
> |> > >
> |> > >Because XTNS namespaces rely on the RealNames system
> |> which utilizes
> |> > >UNICODE-based encoding and which sits as a layer on top
> |> of the DNS, the
> |> > >company can create and activate new Domain Namespaces in
> |> virtually any
> |> > >language in the world. XTNS is unique in being able to
> |> offer a wide range
> |> of
> |> > >multilingual domain names that are universally accessible
> |> to the global
> |> > >Internet community.
> |> > >
> |> > >In addition to offering corporate and multilingual names,
> |> XTNS plans a
> |> > >number of "Open Domain NamespacesSM" that operate like
> |> existing top level
> |> > >domains (such as ".com", ".biz", ".info" etc) and will
> |> permit users to
> |> > >register unique addresses within these Domain Namespaces.
> |> However, XTNS'
> |> > >primary attention is to ensure that its Open Domain
> |> Namespaces are not
> |> > >confused with top level domain names released via ICANN
> |> or the U.S.
> |> > >Department of Commerce by requiring Open Domain
> |> Namespaces to be in the
> |> form
> |> > >"name.trademark", "name.corporation", or in the form
> |> "genericprefix.name".
> |> > >
> |> > >"Having already experienced a substantial interest from global
> |> corporations
> |> > >wanting their own domains, our current focus is upon
> |> Domain Namespaces
> |> based
> |> > >upon trademarks, brand names, corporate names and
> |> association names,"
> |> said
> |> > >Langdell. "Soon, though, we plan to launch a number of Open Domain
> |> > >Namespaces for the domestic and overseas markets aimed at
> |> satisfying
> |> > >individual and small business domain name demand to
> |> further relieve the
> |> > >immense pressure on the '.com' domain."
> |> > >
> |> > >Immediate Availability
> |> > >
> |> > >XTNS Corporate Domain Namespaces and multilingual
> |> Corporate and trademark
> |> > >Domain Namespaces are available immediately. The first of
> |> XTNS's Open
> |> Domain
> |> > >Namespaces for second level name registration in both
> |> Roman characters
> |> > >("English") and multilingual characters will be announced
> |> shortly, with a
> |> > >special focus on the Asian, Hispanic and European
> |> markets. Names in these
> |> > >Open Domain Namespaces are anticipated to sell for flat
> |> fee of between
> |> > >$25-$50 per annum. A trademark protection policy will be
> |> announced at
> |> that
> |> > >time.
> |> > >
> |> > >Registry/Registrar Channels
> |> > >
> |> > >XTNS itself acts as a Registry for most of the new Domain
> |> Namespaces that
> |> it
> |> > >launches. However, it also licenses other entities to act
> |> as registries
> |> for
> |> > >proposed and sponsored new Domain Namespaces, and
> |> projects a world-wide
> |> > >network of registrar re-sellers for XTNS's and its
> |> client's second level
> |> > >name sales. XTNS is currently accepting proposals for
> |> sponsored and
> |> > >un-sponsored Open Domain Namespaces with a scheduled
> |> launch in late 2001
> |> and
> |> > >in 2002.
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >What's Next?
> |> > >
> |> > >"These first XTNS names are merely an introduction to a
> |> wealth of new
> |> > >extended naming possibilities we will be creating over
> |> the coming years,
> |> "
> |> > >said Langdell. "Because we can set up pay-per-view and
> |> member-only Domain
> |> > >Namespaces, we have the flexibility to create new
> |> namespaces that provide
> |> > >safe-havens for children, or namespaces that can be
> |> securely regulated
> |> and
> |> > >restricted."
> |> > >
> |> > >XTNS namespaces feature geographic location capabilities
> |> as well as
> |> provide
> |> > >the potential for enhanced security (e.g. for enhanced
> |> virtual private
> |> > >networks). XTNS's GeoLocTM features enable companies to
> |> route web traffic
> |> > >according to territory or country of origin, making fully
> |> automated
> |> language
> |> > >specific web navigation a reality. No longer will
> |> web-users need to face
> |> a
> |> > >menu to determine which language version or territory
> |> version of a web
> |> site
> |> > >they are seeking. These features will also enable XTNS
> |> customers to have
> |> > >important marketing data about the source location of
> |> their web site's
> |> > >visitors.
> |> > >
> |> > >Future XTNS namespaces will also permit advanced search
> |> capabilities.
> |> Added
> |> > >Langdell, "Our namespaces sit on top of DNS in a complementary
> |> relationship
> |> > >and form a perfect fit with anticipated extensions and
> |> enhancements to
> |> the
> |> > >DNS, meaning we permit new functionality over the
> |> existing system and
> |> future
> |> > >developments. By doing so, we enable XTNS's system to
> |> overlay the DNS,
> |> > >enhancing it without interfering with it or damaging it
> |> in any way. We
> |> have
> |> > >the clear potential to also include easy navigation using wireless
> |> devices
> |> > >(cellular phones, PDAs, etc) as well as providing
> |> critical assistance
> |> with
> |> > >the integration of voice, text and other media, while
> |> maintaining a truly
> |> > >global scope and vision. It is central to XTNS's intent
> |> to work closely
> |> with
> |> > >bodies such as IETF and ICANN, and be supportive of the
> |> ongoing work of
> |> > >these bodies, and the single root structure or DNS."
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >About XTNS (Extended Name Services, Inc.)
> |> > >
> |> > >XTNS is a Pasadena, California based corporation which is
> |> in process of
> |> > >opening offices in Korea, China, Japan and Europe. XTNS
> |> is an Internet
> |> > >Domain Namespace registry as well as an Internet Domain Namespace
> |> resolution
> |> > >service provider. The vision of XTNS is to bring about
> |> global acceptance
> |> for
> |> > >a new form of Internet naming and navigation that is far
> |> simpler and more
> |> > >intuitive than the existing system, while working closely with and
> |> utilizing
> |> > >the existing DNS system rather than replacing it. Using
> |> the existing DNS,
> |> > >XTNS Domain Namespaces replace complicated URLs with
> |> simple, easy to
> |> > >remember names in virtually any language in the world. The XTNS
> |> technology
> |> > >is based upon the RealNames (RealNames Corporation)
> |> system which is
> |> > >integrated directly into the Microsoft Internet Explorer
> |> browser (version
> |> > >5.0 and above).Therefore the XTNS's system already built into the
> |> Microsoft
> |> > >IE Browser is today already operational in hundreds of
> |> millions of PCs
> |> > >worldwide. For more information please visit the XTNS website at
> |> > >www.xtns.net
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >About RealNames Corporation
> |> > >
> |> > >RealNames Corporation is the global infrastructure
> |> provider of Keywords
> |> and
> |> > >offers a naming
> |> > >
> |> > >platform for the next generation Internet. The RealNames
> |> registration and
> |> > >resolution name
> |> > >
> |> > >services platform provides a modern naming layer on top
> |> of DNS. Keywords
> |> are
> |> > >a superior Web
> |> > >
> |> > >naming registration platform that extends the existing Domain Name
> |> System,
> |> > >and are integrated
> |> > >
> |> > >into Microsoft Internet Explorer browser software and the
> |> Openwave Mobile
> |> > >Access Gateway.
> |> > >
> |> > >RealNames Keywords and name services are available
> |> through a worldwide
> |> > >channel of Registries and Registrars. For more
> |> information, please enter
> |> > >Keyword: RealNames to visit our Web site.
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >XTNS, XTNS System, Extended Namespaces, Domain
> |> Namespaces, Open Domain
> |> > >Namespaces, Open Domains, and GeoLoc are all trademarks
> |> or service marks
> |> of
> |> > >Extended Name Services, Inc. All rights reserved. RealNames, and
> |> RealNames
> |> > >System are either service marks or registered service
> |> marks of RealNames
> |> > >Corporation.
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >
> |> > >Contact Information:
> |> > >
> |> > >For Press Related Inquiries
> |> > >
> |> > >[email-masked]
> |> > >
> |> > >T: 626-449-4334 / F: 626-844-4334
> |> > >
> |> > >For Business Development or Partnering Inquiries
> |> > >
> |> > >[email-masked]
> |> > >
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> |> > >
> |> > >For Investor Relations
> |> > >
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> |> > >
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:44:25 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[6]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel  expenses

Monday, Monday, August 20, 2001, 5:09:11 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> For a full disclosure of past IDNO funding please refer to 
> www.idno.org/financial.htm

Correction: For a full disclosure of the funding of Joop Teernstra's
travel budget....

Had Joop asked for personal sponsorship, and not in the name or as a
representative of the IDNO, or claimed to be speaking on behalf of the
IDNO, then there would be no issue here.

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:52:23 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Uh oh ... mail queue dump warning.

Sorry folks,

What appears to be a rash of messages, from me, today, is actually a result
of the past three days of mail queue getting dumped out with todays
time-stamp. MS-Exchange does not time-stamp sent messages until they
actually get sent. I indicated earlier that I have had some connectivity
problems. Well, I just cleared some of them up, with my upstream, and this
is the unfortunate result.

Although I appear to have exceeded the posting limits for today, I haven't,
AFAICT. Unfortunately, this sort of queueing problem will continue until I
can arrange another upstream feed. To say that "my upstream is becoming less
than reliable", would be making an understatement. 

I apologize to you all. I will attempt to keep the chaos to a minimum.

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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 06:14:02 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

The voice of experience in the duress!!

On 01:49 21/08/01, Joop Teernstra said:
>>Coming down from the SF Bay Area, for MdR, I spent over $3000. Analysis of
>>Stockholm forcated expenses yields a similar number. My larger issue is loss
>>of 1.5 weeks of billing, a constant for all ICANN meetings, with very
>>little/none probable effect on new business or positive effect on revenue.
>
>That is the larger expense that is rarely talked about by participants who 
>do not face such revenue loss.
>It needs to be recognized.

This is the real issue. When you are paid to go the meeting by your 
business or as part of your business like ccTLDs etc.. it make a real 
difference from using family big money and wasting one week or more of 
revenues - plus the time spent for weeks, and for the weeks to come. Or the 
long conferences calls to foot. When already a lot of money goes to 
Internet non-profits .. it becomes too much.

Also, we lobbied for a vote after Montevideo so the GA could have time to 
debate. But we know about the dates and the utility to cross half the world 
only since the NC meeting....
Jefsey

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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:29:24 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] XTNS Launches New Domain Naming System

on 8/20/01 11:40 PM, Tim Langdell at [email-masked] wrote:

> Put simply we have the exclusive license for non-ICANN domain name strings
> in the IE browser (strings with dots in) that we are calling Domain
> Namespaces to seek to differentiate them from ICANN/DoC approved domain
> names/TLDs. 

Hello Tim,

If "Domain Namespaces" are not Domain Names at all, they are strings, isn't
this label misleading and confusingly similar to Domain names? Would you by
any chance be able to provide us with a Definition for "domain namespace"?

Regards,

Joanna

The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II: 
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
Reader, which is available for free down load at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)

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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:39:07 -0700
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel  expenses

William X Walsh wrote:

> Monday, Monday, August 20, 2001, 5:09:11 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> > For a full disclosure of past IDNO funding please refer to
> > www.idno.org/financial.htm
>
> Correction: For a full disclosure of the funding of Joop Teernstra's
> travel budget....
>
> Had Joop asked for personal sponsorship, and not in the name or as a
> representative of the IDNO, or claimed to be speaking on behalf of the
> IDNO, then there would be no issue here.

How does this "issue" relate to the business of the GA William?  Why don't you
confine yourself to raving on the IDNO list and spare the GA list members the
claptrap...

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:52:49 -0400
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Net-block issues

"William S. Lovell" wrote:

> > On the other hand, an ISP or a registry should not be acting against its
> > customers for anything other than direct abuse OF the network. There are
> > laws against libel, trademark misuse, stalking, harassment, some types of
> > pornography, 'hate literature', slander, software 'piracy', ...
> >
> > All these forms of abuse ON the net are better dealt with by police and
> > courts than by system admins. Courts have legal authority to act on these
> > issues, experience and expertise, protections for the accused, standards
> > of evidence, ... Neither ISPs nor registries have any of those.
> >
> > There may be some exceptions for extremely blatant violators, where an
> > ISP or registry might reasonably help stop abuse, but when there is any
> > doubt at all, they should give their customers the benefit of that doubt.
> >
> > So, while I feel that having registries disconnect spammers is not a good
> > idea (mainly because I don't trust ICANN to come up with good guidelines
> > and NSI are themselves spammers), I do think you can make a far better
> > case for that than for having them try to enforce trademark restrictions.
> 
> All of the above hangs together perfectly.  It also leads to the key question,
> though.  Copying the phrase "Courts have legal authority to act on these
> issues, experience and expertise, protections for the accused, standards
> of evidence, ... Neither ISPs nor registries have any of those," a complete
> statement would be made if one added ICANN along with ISPs and
> registries, and with specific emphasis on trademarks.  ICANN, with its
> UDRP and other policy meddling, suffers from the same lack of legal
> authority, experience and expertise, protections for the 'accused,'
> standards of evidence, and soforth.
> 
> Bill Lovell

I agree completely.
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:23:45 -0400
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Another committee of cronies?

Kristy McKee wrote:

> By the way, don't we have to mark an email private for it to be
> private?  This Vany person I think is not really someone who should be
> involved in DNSO operations as he/she doesn't seem to understand much of
> anything technology related at all...  It's disappointing; but not surprising.

Then why you sent me an e-mail only directed to me that wasn't posted in a maling
list?
It seems that your intentions is that I only answer to you, then you post my
answer in the mailing list, and my reaction as any other person reaction would
be, commenting about how improper was from you to post something that I wrote
only directed to you, and then, only for you to say what you are saying now in a
public list, just for your own satisfaction?  This is not about technology
Kristy.  This is about human values.

Dissapointing, but not surprising from a person that is only a technocrat.

Vany

> Everyone have a great day - I'll not be around again until tomorrow.
>
> ~k
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:31:53 +1000
From: "Dassa" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel  expenses

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: [email-masked]
|> [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Sotiris Sotiropoulos
|> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:39 PM
|> To: William X Walsh
|> Cc: GA (E-mail)
|> Subject: Re: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses
|>
|>
|> How does this "issue" relate to the business of the GA
|> William?  Why don't you confine yourself to raving on the IDNO list
and spare the
|> GA list members the claptrap...

As this relates directly to Joops attendance as a candidate I would
consider the relevance obvious.  Joop may do some good work at times
but the blunders, falsehoods and misrepresentations must not be
overlooked either.

Your other comments will, I'm sure, be the subject of complaint and I
have no need to comment on them.

Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.

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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 06:41:01 +0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

Cher M. Mangin,

Il me semble très bien d'utiliser le langage diplomatique, mais encore 
faut-il savoir le faire! J'attire votre attention sur l'orthographe 
("intérêt" et non "intêret") et les formes verbales ("vous devriait"?).
Et oui, comme mon ancien prof de français m'a toujours dit, il faut faire 
gaffe aux accents et aux subjonctifs! ;>)

Jokes apart, and back to English, may I please know how your very little 
diplomatic (in fact, really offensive) reply relates to the sentence of Mr. 
Gomes?

Thanks in advance
Roberto

>
>I'll use the diplomatic langage throught the world  since centuries !!!
>(If u cannot I'm convinced people around u can do)
>
>Trés étonné de votre réaction de "haut" fonctionnaire d'une holding d'un
>Ministère (de la Défense) Américain(e), je parle de la provenance de vos
>budgets, de vos stratégies, de vos objectifs compréhensibles des 
>protections
>d'intêret, il me semble regretable que votre esprit Impérialiste ne peut
>comprendre les besoins exprimés.
>Votre sponsoring de $8000 pour cette manifestation n'est pas à la hauteur 
>de
>votre projet, vous devriait les inviter ...
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]De la part de Gomes,
>Chuck
>Envoyé : lundi 20 août 2001 23:40
>À : 'Roberto Gaetano'; [email-masked]
>Cc : [email-masked]
>Objet : RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses
>
>
>Roberto is is right on target.  The Buenos Aires IFWP meeting was extremely
>well done.
>
>Chuck Gomes
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:[email-masked]]
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 3:28 PM
>To: [email-masked]
>Cc: [email-masked]
>Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses
>
>
>I am frankly appalled by the fact that before every ICANN meeting there is 
>a
>
>round of comments about how inconvenient the location is, how insecure the
>country is, that the CIA does not recommend to go, and other amenities.
>
>Anyway, I am sure that you organizers are doing a wonderful job.
>As usual in your part of the world, I should add! I still remember that of
>the IFWP meetings by far the most successful was the one that some people
>did not want to take place, the one in Buenos Aires. The only one of the
>series with simultaneous interpretation in three languages, videoconference
>connection, and healthy financial situation thanks to the participation of
>the sponsors!
>
>Regards
>Roberto
>
>
>
> >From: Raul Echeberria <[email-masked]>
> >To: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
> >CC: [email-masked]
> >Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses
> >Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:24:41 -0500
> >
> >At 04:37 PM 20/08/01 +0200, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> >
> > > But I said and will keep my word that it would be unfair to Joana and
> >Eric, if they did be there too.  As you noted a trip to Montevideo is at
> >least $ 2500 from Paris, probably $ 2300 from NY. I went to  shop for $
> >7300. I found them. And then we considered that the money would be far
> >better spent for  computers and teachers in an African school we support.
> >
> >Jefsey:
> >
> >I don't know if you travel in business class. If not, I'd be glad to help
> >you to buy cheaper tickets to Uruguay.
> >
> >You can get a ticket from Paris by Air France to Uruguay by U$S 1300. Of
> >course, in economy class.
> >From NY by United Airlines by U$S 1200. Also in economy class.
> >
> >Also we have a broad offer of hotels with different rates and all of them
> >with a good level of services.
> >Probably MdR (as you say) is cheaper for you, but we can help you to have 
>a
> >cheap travel to come here.
> >
> >Hope to see you in Uruguay.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Raul.
> >
> >
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