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GA-DIGEST           Monday, August 20 2001           Volume 01 : Number 685

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:10:47 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses 

At 19:22 19/08/01 -0600, pheather wrote:
>So much for a level playing field for all candidates. Instead, those with
>the deepest pockets and the richest supporters are given advantage.

Not to mention that those who do sacrifice for ICANN from their own pocket, 
will always have their motives questioned.

For the record: my trip to Montevideo is this time (unexpectedly) provided 
for by Salzburg Seminar (markle/ford foundation).
The members of the IDNO  decided in a vote last week that membership of the 
NCDNHC does not stand in the way of providing the framework for a separate 
IDN holders constituency.

What Peter said:
>For instance, as a requirement, anyone requesting or
>requiring funding for meetings, travel, ect. a Form should be made
>available and a time limit to send in your requests for funding for
>travel or whatever, even partial funding for travel, and reviewed with a
>certain amount set aside for this purpose. once the requests have met
>that amount, any other requests would be denied or reviewed
>independently for additional funds for these or other purposes.

is practiced by the Salzburg Seminar ICANN travel project. The only problem 
is that their rules ("NCDNHC members only") need to be adapted so that 
funding will also be available for ICANN Board candidates , GA Chairs or GA 
representatives to NC task forces.

- --Joop

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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:38:54 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses 

Thank you, Joop for that confirmation of, well, not only availability,
but actual funding.

Peter de Blanc

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Teernstra
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:11 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses 

At 19:22 19/08/01 -0600, pheather wrote:
>So much for a level playing field for all candidates. Instead, those 
>with the deepest pockets and the richest supporters are given 
>advantage.

Not to mention that those who do sacrifice for ICANN from their own
pocket, 
will always have their motives questioned.

For the record: my trip to Montevideo is this time (unexpectedly)
provided 
for by Salzburg Seminar (markle/ford foundation).
The members of the IDNO  decided in a vote last week that membership of
the 
NCDNHC does not stand in the way of providing the framework for a
separate 
IDN holders constituency.

What Peter said:
>For instance, as a requirement, anyone requesting or
>requiring funding for meetings, travel, ect. a Form should be made 
>available and a time limit to send in your requests for funding for 
>travel or whatever, even partial funding for travel, and reviewed with 
>a certain amount set aside for this purpose. once the requests have met

>that amount, any other requests would be denied or reviewed 
>independently for additional funds for these or other purposes.

is practiced by the Salzburg Seminar ICANN travel project. The only
problem 
is that their rules ("NCDNHC members only") need to be adapted so that 
funding will also be available for ICANN Board candidates , GA Chairs or
GA 
representatives to NC task forces.

- --Joop

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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:48:18 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

Sunday, Sunday, August 19, 2001, 8:10:47 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 19:22 19/08/01 -0600, pheather wrote:
>>So much for a level playing field for all candidates. Instead, those with
>>the deepest pockets and the richest supporters are given advantage.

> Not to mention that those who do sacrifice for ICANN from their own pocket, 
> will always have their motives questioned.

> For the record: my trip to Montevideo is this time (unexpectedly) provided 
> for by Salzburg Seminar (markle/ford foundation).
> The members of the IDNO  decided in a vote last week that membership of the 
> NCDNHC does not stand in the way of providing the framework for a separate 
> IDN holders constituency.

Correction, a small handful of people, most of whom have not actively
participated in the IDNO in MANY months, voted that there is no reason
NOT to join the NCDNHC.

What even those small handful did not decide was that you should
represent them or be the recipient of the money from the Salzburg
Institute.

As a member of the IDNO, I intend to make the Salzburg institute aware
of the facts about your claim.

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:57:49 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

William, I must not be understanding what you are saying here.

Do you object to Joop receiving a travel allowance?

I have been at almost every ICANN regular meeting, and a lot of "ad hoc"
meetings- and Joop has always appeared to me as a champion of Individual
Domain Name Holders, and the proposed constituency for them.

What objection to you have against Joop receiving travel subsidy?

Also, will you be in Montevideo?

Peter de Blanc

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X Walsh
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 12:48 AM
To: Joop Teernstra
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

Sunday, Sunday, August 19, 2001, 8:10:47 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 19:22 19/08/01 -0600, pheather wrote:
>>So much for a level playing field for all candidates. Instead, those 
>>with the deepest pockets and the richest supporters are given 
>>advantage.

> Not to mention that those who do sacrifice for ICANN from their own 
> pocket,
> will always have their motives questioned.

> For the record: my trip to Montevideo is this time (unexpectedly) 
> provided
> for by Salzburg Seminar (markle/ford foundation).
> The members of the IDNO  decided in a vote last week that membership
of the 
> NCDNHC does not stand in the way of providing the framework for a
separate 
> IDN holders constituency.

Correction, a small handful of people, most of whom have not actively
participated in the IDNO in MANY months, voted that there is no reason
NOT to join the NCDNHC.

What even those small handful did not decide was that you should
represent them or be the recipient of the money from the Salzburg
Institute.

As a member of the IDNO, I intend to make the Salzburg institute aware
of the facts about your claim.

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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:15:02 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[4]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

Sunday, Sunday, August 19, 2001, 9:57:49 PM, Peter de Blanc wrote:

> William, I must not be understanding what you are saying here.

> Do you object to Joop receiving a travel allowance?

> I have been at almost every ICANN regular meeting, and a lot of "ad hoc"
> meetings- and Joop has always appeared to me as a champion of Individual
> Domain Name Holders, and the proposed constituency for them.

Joop champions only his own view, and his own agenda.  You may not
have the full picture of the IDNO, Peter, and as such your view is not
really a complete one.  You have no idea of the manipulations that
Joop has perpetrated inside the IDNO, and why many take exception to
him and repeatedly self-claims to be the IDNO representative or the
person who speaks on behalf of domain owners.

> What objection to you have against Joop receiving travel subsidy?

That he is using the IDNO name to get it, and he has no authority to
do that, to use our names to get his expenses paid so he can further
his own agenda.

> Also, will you be in Montevideo?

No.

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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:37:45 -0700
From: William X Walsh <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[6]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

Sunday, Sunday, August 19, 2001, 11:05:29 PM, Rex T. wrote:

> I remember when there was no IDNO and this guy (Joop) spoke of the need to
> protect independant domain owners, and how he would like to begin a
> constituency for that purpose, and to build a real voting booth, etc.

> I rember this guy campaining to bring the Unrepresented Domain Owners, and
> to strive for true democratic process.

No, he claimed to strive for that, what he was really building was a
structure where he was the effective leader, and that anything that he
didn't think was in the best interests of domain holders (regardless
of what they thought) he could sabotage, and use his position as
"Founder/Bootstrap" to justify his unilateral actions.

The things you don't know about the IDNO could full volumes.

It's easy to make the judgement you made when you only know a small
portion of the reality.

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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:05:29 -0700
From: "Rex T." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

I remember when there was no IDNO and this guy (Joop) spoke of the need to
protect independant domain owners, and how he would like to begin a
constituency for that purpose, and to build a real voting booth, etc.

I rember this guy campaining to bring the Unrepresented Domain Owners, and
to strive for true democratic process.

A few people heard the message eventually, and these things began to become
a reality.

I remember this person went to the meetings at his own expense to help all
of us.

I did not see anyone else making these sacrifices during the begining.

There wouldn't even be an IDNO if it weren't for his efforts.

I believe he deserves this.

Rex

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "William X Walsh" <[email-masked]>
To: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'Joop Teernstra'" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: Re[4]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

> Sunday, Sunday, August 19, 2001, 9:57:49 PM, Peter de Blanc wrote:
>
> > William, I must not be understanding what you are saying here.
>
> > Do you object to Joop receiving a travel allowance?
>
> > I have been at almost every ICANN regular meeting, and a lot of "ad hoc"
> > meetings- and Joop has always appeared to me as a champion of Individual
> > Domain Name Holders, and the proposed constituency for them.
>
> Joop champions only his own view, and his own agenda.  You may not
> have the full picture of the IDNO, Peter, and as such your view is not
> really a complete one.  You have no idea of the manipulations that
> Joop has perpetrated inside the IDNO, and why many take exception to
> him and repeatedly self-claims to be the IDNO representative or the
> person who speaks on behalf of domain owners.
>
> > What objection to you have against Joop receiving travel subsidy?
>
> That he is using the IDNO name to get it, and he has no authority to
> do that, to use our names to get his expenses paid so he can further
> his own agenda.
>
> > Also, will you be in Montevideo?
>
> No.
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 02:04:46 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Supporting  Organization

Peter de Blanc wrote:

> Not bad, Chuck! ;-)
>
> Hey, on a more realistic level, so are the ccTLDs.
>
> On a more serious note,  I'd suggest that the Non-Commercials try doing
> what the ccTLD does- find some common ground with other constituencies,
> on some issues, and work together on them.
>
> Isolationism doesn't work in a political arena. Co-operation and
> "give-and-take" work.

Just a note in passing:  Cooperation and give-and-take with other
constituencies
require there to be other constituencies with common goals.  On the face of
it,
it appears to me that the NCDNHC would have quite a bit in common with a
Registrants Constituency, were there such a thing.  If the NCDNHC (which,
in spite of the "Subject" of this email, is still a Constituency and not an
SO,
last time I heard) were so inclined, it might find some allies (numbers?) by

expressing its support for the formation of a Registrants Constituency.

Bill Lovell

>
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Gomes,
> Chuck
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:55 PM
> To: [email-masked]'; [email-masked]
> Subject: RE: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders
> Supporting Organization
>
> I don't suppose anyone would have any sympathy if I complained that
> VeriSign "is always outnumbered" in the NC?  :)
>
> My apologies; I couldn't resist.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:26 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders
> Supporting Organization
>
> Dear members,
>
> The following resolution has been advanced within the Non-Commercial
> Constituency.  While it is too early to tell whether the proposition
> will
> meet with any degree of success, it does highlight the frustration that
> many
>
> of us are feeling...
>
> August. 17, 2001
>
> YJ Park
>
>                                     Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain
> Name Holders Supporting Organization
>
> The current Non-Commercial Domain Names Holders Constituency of Domain
> Names
>
> Supporting Organization has been recognized by the ICANN Board in
> Santiago in
> August ICANN meeting, 2000.
>
> Since then, non-commercial domain names holders constituency has been
> encountering an endless challenge in the DNSO. It is always outnumbered
> in
> DNSO decision-making process by the majority votes.
>
> (snip)
>
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The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 02:11:54 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders  SupportingOrganization

Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:

> Hi Peter, Chuck and all:
>
> This is only a proposal of resolution within the NCDNHC.
> Not a resolution yet.
>
> Best Regards
> Vany

I do thoroughly enjoy this post.  As Joanna Lane and I were putting
together the Best Practices procedure, we tried to reflect as close as
possible how things will naturally occur, and this post precisely mirrors
a portion of the BP flow chart (for which a link is shown below in my
sig file). The word "proposal" is exactly the same, but the BP uses the
term "motion" rather than "resolution."  Samo, samo. :-)

Cheers,

Bill Lovell

>
>
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Peter de Blanc wrote:
>
> > Not bad, Chuck! ;-)
> >
> > Hey, on a more realistic level, so are the ccTLDs.
> >
> > On a more serious note,  I'd suggest that the Non-Commercials try doing
> > what the ccTLD does- find some common ground with other constituencies,
> > on some issues, and work together on them.
> >
> > Isolationism doesn't work in a political arena. Co-operation and
> > "give-and-take" work.
> >
> > Peter de Blanc
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Gomes,
> > Chuck
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:55 PM
> > To: [email-masked]'; [email-masked]
> > Subject: RE: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders
> > Supporting Organization
> >
> >
> > I don't suppose anyone would have any sympathy if I complained that
> > VeriSign "is always outnumbered" in the NC?  :)
> >
> > My apologies; I couldn't resist.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:26 PM
> > To: [email-masked]
> > Subject: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders
> > Supporting Organization
> >
> >
> > Dear members,
> >
> > The following resolution has been advanced within the Non-Commercial
> > Constituency.  While it is too early to tell whether the proposition
> > will
> > meet with any degree of success, it does highlight the frustration that
> > many
> >
> > of us are feeling...
> >
> > August. 17, 2001
> >
> > YJ Park
> >
> >
> >                                     Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain
> > Name Holders Supporting Organization
> >
> >
> > The current Non-Commercial Domain Names Holders Constituency of Domain
> > Names
> >
> > Supporting Organization has been recognized by the ICANN Board in
> > Santiago in
> > August ICANN meeting, 2000.
> >
> > Since then, non-commercial domain names holders constituency has been
> > encountering an endless challenge in the DNSO. It is always outnumbered
> > in
> > DNSO decision-making process by the majority votes.
> >
> > (snip)
> >
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> Fax: (507) 230-3455
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The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
Part I:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
Part II:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:35:01 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Elisabeth Porteneuve <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Supporting Organization

I am reading this NCDNH statement with somewhat mixed feelings.

Two comments:

1. The first ICANN Board Director ever elected by the DNSO was
   Alexandro Pisanty, as a NCDNH candidate.
   The "Who voted for whom" record may be visited at:
   http://www.dnso.org/votes/vote02/fullrecord/whowhom-b04.html
   and the election summary at:
   http://www.dnso.org/elections/1999.DNSO-ICANN-election-result.html

   Alejandro's contributions to the DNSO, his knowledge and expertise,
   his background as scientist in a research lab with a large experience 
   in Internet matters was convincing enough to several Constituencies.

   We may then deduce that the NCDNH concerns may be well understood
   and widely supported by the Names Council and Constituencies.

2. I have been working for 25 years in various research laboratories,
   all of them public sector, non commercial. My Internet experience
   is rooted in works on international connectivity for research
   networks, both for space program and for general purpose education.
   All of these was requesting for the real dedication and the big
   responsibility, which research labs are able to provide, and which 
   was and is well respected by the industrial private sector.
   My background makes me naturally sympathetic to non-commercial 
   approach in the Internet.
   For unknown reasons, I do not perceive that theses communities 
   from universities or research labs are represented by the NCDNH.
   At least not the ones to which I belong, and I have been asking
   several colleagues.
   I admit that I do not follow the NCDNH mailing lists, and that
   it is certainly uncomplete vision, but still, I would like
   to understand what are matters on which focus the NCDNH group.

Elisabeth Porteneuve

<snip>
> 
> August. 17, 2001
> 
> YJ Park
> 
> 
>                                     Resolution for
> Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Supporting Organization
> 
> 
> The current Non-Commercial Domain Names Holders Constituency of Domain Names 
> Supporting Organization has been recognized by the ICANN Board in Santiago in 
> August ICANN meeting, 2000.
> 
> Since then, non-commercial domain names holders constituency has been 
> encountering an endless challenge in the DNSO. It is always outnumbered in 
> DNSO decision-making process by the majority votes.
> 
> It turned out that it is almost impossible for Non-commercial domain name 
> holders constituency to address its concerns which has been many times quite 
> different from the other constituencies especially commercial-based 
> constituencies easily to be buried due to innate DNSO imbalanced structure, 
> five commercial constituencies, Registrar, ISP, IP, Business, gTLD, one 
> non-commercial and ccTLD [note1], which has been pointed out by WG-Review 
> report earlier this year and by At-Large Study Committee process, recently.
> 
> On the other hand, there have been concerns expressed by NCDNHC members that 
> there are too diverse interests mixed in this same group under the name of 
> non-commercial domain names holders
> constituency, which is too vague to define its common ground and too broad to 
> reach consensus many times within the constituency: There are education and 
> research organizations, civil society groups, consumer groups, activist 
> groups for citizens, non-commercial
> purpose lobbyist groups etc..
> 
> Therefore, the non-commercial domain name holders constituency of the DNSO 
> hereby declare its withdrawl from DNSO in Montevideo and its new formation of 
> Non-Commercial Domain Names Holders Supporting Organization, NCSO.
> 
> [Note1] ccTLD is difficult to categorize whether it is commercial or 
> non-commercial in a simple way.
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:59:49 +0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

William,

>
> > What objection to you have against Joop receiving travel subsidy?
>
>That he is using the IDNO name to get it, and he has no authority to
>do that, to use our names to get his expenses paid so he can further
>his own agenda.

For the record, Joop did not use the name of IDNO to receive travel subsidy.
I have been contacted by the Salzburg Seminar, who asked whether I had any 
names to suggest as candidate for the funding, and I suggested Joop and 
other people that I feel would bring an added value to the meeting.
You know that my views and Joop's views diverge about the formation of an 
individuals/registrants constituency, but I believe that he is an essential 
element of the picture.

When I contacted Joop, he told me that he did not plan to apply, because he 
had not been accepted in the past, and did not see why he would have been 
accepted this time. It was only after my insisting on him giving another try 
that he applied.

I am glad that he will be in Montevideo, otherwise I would not have been 
able to argue once more with him ;>).

Best regards
Roberto

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:15:54 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Request for statement of acceptance

>
>    1a. Full name of the nominee for IDN TF: Joop Teernstra
>    1b. E-mail address of the nominee for IDN TF: [email-masked]
>
>    1e. Background information about the nominee:

56y/o.  Married with 2 children. Law degree (LL.M) from Amsterdam 
University. Owner and trademark holder of a small webdesign firm.
>  Founder (1998) and bootstrap organizer of a membership  organization 
> dedicated to be a representational structure for Individual Domain Name 
> registrants (the Cyberspace Association-IDNO). see www.idno.org

Has been elected Councillor of InternetNZ. (.nz)
Is an active advocate for Individual Domain Name Owners in the  DNSO GA and 
in other fora.

>    1f. Statement of the nominee's objectives
>        in the role as GA delegate to the NC TF:

I have been pleading for the missing constituency since ICANN Singapore, at 
considerable personal cost.

With the support of the majority of the GA , I am highly motivated to see 
the efforts of all those DN holders that have stood behind me in this 
struggle crowned with success and see the Board follow  NC Task Force 
recommendations designed to aid the quick formation of the constituency.

My objective in accepting the nomination  is to help the Task Force to 
speed up the formulation of reasonable criteria for an Individual Domain 
Name Registrants constituency with no further hurdles, and make it 
acceptable and ready for recognition by the Board of ICANN.
With a  representation mechanism for Individual Registrants, at least one 
of the contentions about the DNSO can be resolved. Co-ordination with the 
review Task Force will be  critically important.

I will travel to Montevideo to meet the appointed members of the task force 
and I will do my utmost to actually accomplish results.
When elected for this job I will maintain a website that will track the 
progress of the Task Force at www.individual-domain.org

- --Joop--
the Cyberspace Association.
(www.idno.org)
The Polling Booth
www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:27:35 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Resolution for Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders  SupportingOrganization

At 02:11 20/08/01 -0700, William S. Lovell wrote:
>  As Joanna Lane and I were putting
>together the Best Practices procedure, we tried to reflect as close as
>possible how things will naturally occur, and this post precisely mirrors
>a portion of the BP flow chart (for which a link is shown below in my
>sig file). The word "proposal" is exactly the same, but the BP uses the
>term "motion" rather than "resolution."  Samo, samo. :-)

Bill,

I have the flow-chard pinned up next to my monitor now. :-)
Would it be possible for you to translate the flowchart in articles that 
would describe the process in legal terms?

You would have to assign names to bodies that are given responsibility in 
the process, but the result would be very usable by a new and democratic 
DNSO constituency, soon to be recognized :-)

- --Joop

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:34:54 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses

I fully support Roberto's comments about diversity (of opinions and
position).

Controversial arguments, and yes, even "extreme positions" make up an
important part of the give-and-take that ultimately assists in consensus
formation.

Regardless of what the perception of Joop may be, by some persons on
this list, and some persons involved in the IDNHC development project,
Joop's name will always be associated with that effort.

Personally, although  I often disagree with Joop, I find our
conversations stimulating. Perhaps more important, Joop assists me in
becoming aware of, and understanding positions that I never would have
thought about.

Peter de Blanc 

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From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:00 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel
expenses

William,

>
> > What objection to you have against Joop receiving travel subsidy?
>
>That he is using the IDNO name to get it, and he has no authority to do

>that, to use our names to get his expenses paid so he can further his 
>own agenda.

For the record, Joop did not use the name of IDNO to receive travel
subsidy. I have been contacted by the Salzburg Seminar, who asked
whether I had any 
names to suggest as candidate for the funding, and I suggested Joop and 
other people that I feel would bring an added value to the meeting. You
know that my views and Joop's views diverge about the formation of an 
individuals/registrants constituency, but I believe that he is an
essential 
element of the picture.

When I contacted Joop, he told me that he did not plan to apply, because
he 
had not been accepted in the past, and did not see why he would have
been 
accepted this time. It was only after my insisting on him giving another
try 
that he applied.

I am glad that he will be in Montevideo, otherwise I would not have been

able to argue once more with him ;>).

Best regards
Roberto

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