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GA-DIGEST           Thursday, August 2 2001           Volume 01 : Number 644

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:23:11 +0200 (MET DST)
From: DNSO Secretariat <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

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ICANN/DNSO

         DNSO Names Council Teleconference on 16 August 2001 - agenda

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1 August 2001.

This agenda was established according to the Rules of Procedure for the DNSO
Names Council
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010711.NCprocedures-v3.0.html.

Date, time, phones and webcast

  1. The Names Council teleconference will be held on 16 August at the
     following time:

     (6:00 LA, 9:00 New York, 15:00 Paris, 22:00 Japan/Korea, 23:00 Melbourne)
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Local time between April and end October, SUMMER in the NORTH hemisphere
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Reference (Coordinated Universal Time)     UTC         13:00
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     California, USA                            UTC-8+1DST   6:00
     Missouri, USA                              UTC-6+1DST   8:00
     Monterrey, Mexico                          UTC-6+1DST   8:00 since 6 May
     Panama, Panama                             UTC-5+0DST   8:00
     Washington DC, USA                   (EST) UTC-5+1DST   9:00
     St.Thomas, Virgin Islands                  UTC-4+0DST   9:00
     Santiago, Chile                            UTC-4+0DST   9:00 since 11 Mar
     Buenos Aires, Argentina                    UTC-3+0DST  10:00
     London, United Kingdom                     UTC+0+1DST  14:00
     Brussels, Belgium                    (CET) UTC+1+1DST  15:00
     Barcelona, Spain                     (CET) UTC+1+1DST  15:00
     Frankfurt, Germany                   (CET) UTC+1+1DST  15:00
     Paris, France                        (CET) UTC+1+1DST  15:00
     Seoul, Korea                               UTC+9+0DST  22:00
     Tokyo, Japan                               UTC+9+0DST  22:00
     Melbourne, Australia                      UTC+10+0DST  23:00 since 25 Mar
     Auckland, New Zealand                     UTC+12+0DST  01:00 next day
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     The DST ends/starts on last Sunday of October (with some exceptions)
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     For other places see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

  2. The teleconference bridge will be provided by NeuLevel

  3. The NC will not be webcast due to budget constraints.

       Dial in number: will be provided later

       Passcode #: will be provided later

       Conference leader: Mr Richard Tindal

       10 ports "listen only" will be reserved for remote participants

       The full participants are the 21 NC members as listed in
       http://www.dnso.org/constituency/ncmembers.html, DNSO
       Secretariat, ICANN Officers and Invited Guests

       The conference Scribe will be Maca Jamin

       The conference MPEG3 recording will be provided by Bret Fausett

Agenda and related documents

Philip Sheppard will be chairing the NC teleconference.

Scheduled time for meeting -120 mins. Allotted time - 90 mins.

Deadline documents (7 days): 10 August 2001.

  1. Adoption of agenda - 5 mins

  2. Approval of summary of 29 June 2001 meeting - 5 mins

        o http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010629.NCtelecon-minutes.html

  3. DNSO election timetable - (Philip Sheppard) 5 mins

     The following URLs are related to the ICANN Board Director election by
     the DNSO in 2001:
       A. Main document: Description of the election process in 2001
          http://www.dnso.org/elections/2001.DNSO-ICANN-election.html
       B. Procedure for nominations, acceptances and endorsements by the GA,
          and calendar for 2001:
          http://www.dnso.org/elections/2001.DNSO-ICANN-nomination-proc.html
       C. A list of nominations, acceptances and their endorsements ,
          updated daily at:
          http://www.dnso.org/elections/2001.DNSO-ICANN-nominees.html
       D. The NC voting procedure:
          http://www.dnso.org/elections/2001.DNSO-ICANN-voting-proc.html

  4. Report from Budget/Search committees on secretariat services provision
     - (Roger Cochetti) 10 mins

  5. Proposal by GA Chair for an automated stop to excessive daily postings
     on GA lists - (Vany Martinez) 10 mins

        o 10 July 2001, GA Chair request
          http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-intake/Arc00/msg00272.html

  6. Reported problems in TLD transfers - (Ken Stubbs) 5 mins

  7. Reported problems in lapsed TLDs: renewals - (Ken Stubbs) 5 mins

  8. Montevideo agenda - (Philip Sheppard) 5 mins

  9. Updates on business plan task forces

        o UDRP TF formation update (Caroline Chicoine, 10 mins)
        o IDN TF formation update (YJ Park, 5 mins)
        o Dot org TF formation update (Milton Mueller, 10 mins)
        o WHO Is survey update (Paul Kane, 5 mins)
        o Review TF update (Philip Sheppard, 5 mins)

 10. Any other business

Next NC meeting will be held on 8 September 2001, in Montevideo, Uruguay,
see dates for the NC meetings in 2001 in:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.NC-calendar.html
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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:53:30 -0700
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

<snip>

>   3. The NC will not be webcast due to budget constraints.
<snip>

Another year goes by with millions of people video conferencing and not one 
DNSO meeting can.  Makes one wonder what "budget constraints" really refers 
to.  Could someone please send a book of commonly misused words and word 
combinations by the DNSO and ICANN to explain what words like "budget 
constraints" mean according to their definition.  According to all the 
dictionaries I have checked out it means the DNSO can not afford video 
conferencing which we all know is a bunch of bologna.

:)

~k

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:07:28 -0700 
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:54 AM

> <snip>
> 
> >   3. The NC will not be webcast due to budget constraints.
> <snip>
> 
> Another year goes by with millions of people video 
> conferencing and not one 
> DNSO meeting can.  Makes one wonder what "budget constraints" 
> really refers to. 

It's corporate-speak for "we don't want to spend the money." Note that, it
is a far cry from "we don't have the money to spend" (maybe true, for DNSO).

> Could someone please send a book of commonly misused 
> words and word 
> combinations by the DNSO and ICANN to explain what words like "budget 
> constraints" mean according to their definition.

Since DNSO funding comes from ICANN, DNSO doesn't have it, but ICANN does.

> According to all the dictionaries I have checked out it means the DNSO can
not 
> afford video conferencing which we all know is a bunch of bologna.
> 
> :)

Since video conferncing is one of those things where costs scale up with
service, there may be an issue here. But, ICANN doesn't have to pay union
scale, so what's the problem? Any video is better than no video.

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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:47:34 -0700
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

"They" should at least gain sponsorship from local vendors in advance of 
these meetings... and give some smaller business the opportunity to too 
their own horn if they can't get one of the larger businesses to set it up.

~k

At 07:07 AM 8/1/2001 -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:54 AM
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > >   3. The NC will not be webcast due to budget constraints.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Another year goes by with millions of people video
> > conferencing and not one
> > DNSO meeting can.  Makes one wonder what "budget constraints"
> > really refers to.
>
>It's corporate-speak for "we don't want to spend the money." Note that, it
>is a far cry from "we don't have the money to spend" (maybe true, for DNSO).
>
> > Could someone please send a book of commonly misused
> > words and word
> > combinations by the DNSO and ICANN to explain what words like "budget
> > constraints" mean according to their definition.
>
>Since DNSO funding comes from ICANN, DNSO doesn't have it, but ICANN does.
>
> > According to all the dictionaries I have checked out it means the DNSO can
>not
> > afford video conferencing which we all know is a bunch of bologna.
> >
> > :)
>
>Since video conferncing is one of those things where costs scale up with
>service, there may be an issue here. But, ICANN doesn't have to pay union
>scale, so what's the problem? Any video is better than no video.
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:48:01 -0400 
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

Roland,

ICANN does not fund the DNSO.  The DNSO is self-funding.

Chuck Gomes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:07 AM
To: [email-masked]'; DNSO Secretariat
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:54 AM

> <snip>
> 
> >   3. The NC will not be webcast due to budget constraints.
> <snip>
> 
> Another year goes by with millions of people video 
> conferencing and not one 
> DNSO meeting can.  Makes one wonder what "budget constraints" 
> really refers to. 

It's corporate-speak for "we don't want to spend the money." Note that, it
is a far cry from "we don't have the money to spend" (maybe true, for DNSO).

> Could someone please send a book of commonly misused 
> words and word 
> combinations by the DNSO and ICANN to explain what words like "budget 
> constraints" mean according to their definition.

Since DNSO funding comes from ICANN, DNSO doesn't have it, but ICANN does.

> According to all the dictionaries I have checked out it means the DNSO can
not 
> afford video conferencing which we all know is a bunch of bologna.
> 
> :)

Since video conferncing is one of those things where costs scale up with
service, there may be an issue here. But, ICANN doesn't have to pay union
scale, so what's the problem? Any video is better than no video.

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:19:57 +0200 (MET DST)
From: DNSO Secretariat <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Extention to the WHOIS Consultaion period

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The Names Council WHOIS Committee of the DNSO today agreed to extend
the WHOIS consultation period until the 14th August 2001. The survey
http://www.icann.org/dnso/whois-survey-en-10jun01.htm is available in
English, French, Spanish Russian and Japanese is part of a major
international survey which has already been completed by over 2000
respondents.

The purpose of the survey is to potentially review the current policy
regarding the availability names and addresses associated with the
registered holders of domain name (internet addresses). The WHOIS
Committee will be reviewing all comments submitted and then drafting a
report reflecting the views of the respondents, identifying where
there is satisfaction with the WHOIS environment and where
improvements to the ICANN WHOIS policy could be considered.

All internet users are invited to participate in the survey.
A preliminary report will be given to the Names Council meeting during
the ICANN Montevideo, Uruguay meeting, scheduled between the 7-10th
September 2001.

DNSO Secretariat
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:05:33 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ALSC's Structural Options

For goodness sake Derek, it's a discussion document, enough already! Would
you have the GA stop work altogether until there is a fully funded GA
Secretariat?

This document is typical of the generosity of our unpaid Chair that some
just take for granted; it represents a voluntary contribution in kind. Danny
has taken up the mantle of responsibility for clarifying the various issues
at hand that need GA input, and he has correctly identified the ALSC as
significant to the DNSO's future and drawn it to our attention in a form
that facilitates discussion, for which I thank him.

Personally, I don't care if it's posted at porno.com, or covered with ICANN
logos, it's the ISSUE that matters. And BTW, if you don't like the idea of
private websites masquerading as official ICANN websites, go talk to the
constituencies and give a few of them a hard time.

Regards,
Joanna

on 7/31/01 11:15 AM, Derek Conant at [email-masked] wrote:

> It does not appear appropriate for the Chair of the GA to be directing
> DNSO participants to his commercial Web site
> (http://www.icannworld.org).
> 
> The Chair does not appear to have any legal or entity protection,
> whatsoever, concerning the Chair's representations made at his Web site
> regarding ICANN, the DNSO, the DNSO GA, the ALSC or others.
> 
> This concerns me because in my opinion the Chair does not appear correct
> and I expect that he should appear more responsible in that he should
> not be engaged in activity that appears designed to redirect DNSO
> participants away from the DNSO to his own commercial Web site.
> 
> The Chair's Web site appears to me to be more than merely informational.
> 
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman
> 
> [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> I have taken the liberty of creating visual representations of the
>> restructuring proposals put forth by the ALSC (their Options A,B,C).
>> These have been published at http://www.icannworld.org/options.htm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:03:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

Kristy:

The sources of the Budget of DNSO comes from the constituencies and right
now there is an special Voluntary Fund that DNSO has launched also because
the money that constituencies can afford is not enough to cover
everything.  Also I can tell you that the Non-Commercial Constituency is
having a hard time to collect and to get the money that corresponds to our
part of such contribution by constituencies.  We have to collect around
$30000.00 that corresponds to the periods 2000-2001 and 2001-2002.
Imagine that such debt caused that Names Council aprooved a resolution
that would cancell voting right to constituencies that do not pay its
dues.

In my personal concept, the DNSO shouldn't increase the expenses.  A
webcasting (only audio) have high cost because it would imply to hire the
Berkman Center (they don't do this for free) and it would imply some
thousands dollars for sure.

The Budget Commitee is making an effort to reduce expenses, and also
get money in order the DNSO can operate efficiently.  There are people out
there that thinks that because this is the ICANN DNSO then this means that
they can ask for more money for services they offer. For example
($12000.00 costed the webcasting in Stockholm only for DNSO, and a totall
of $50000.00 including the DNSO part for ICANN meetings, but some Names
Council members was able to get sponsoring for the webcasting of DNSO
meetings).

The DNSO is not an entity that have profits.  The DNSO has to adopt the same
philosophy as ICANN do, as part of ICANN:  "the costs has to be as low as possible (i.e.
near to zero).

The bottom line here is: don't ask to the constituencies to spend more and
more money.  This would increase the Budget meaning that constituencies
would have to pay more year by year.   Instead, help us to find solutions
that would help the DNSO to have more quality services available to its
members without having to spend thousand and thousands of dollars.

Best Regards
Vany

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Kristy McKee wrote:

> <snip>
>
> >   3. The NC will not be webcast due to budget constraints.
> <snip>
>
> Another year goes by with millions of people video conferencing and not one
> DNSO meeting can.  Makes one wonder what "budget constraints" really refers
> to.  Could someone please send a book of commonly misused words and word
> combinations by the DNSO and ICANN to explain what words like "budget
> constraints" mean according to their definition.  According to all the
> dictionaries I have checked out it means the DNSO can not afford video
> conferencing which we all know is a bunch of bologna.
>
> :)
>
> ~k
>
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:10:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

Krysty:

"They"...who?   If you are a member of the DNSO then for sure you are
included in such "they".

I am sure many members are aware of our needs as DNSO, but the best are
when there are concrete proposals.

GA members, you are also DNSO members.

Best Regards
Vany

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Kristy McKee wrote:

>
> "They" should at least gain sponsorship from local vendors in advance of
> these meetings... and give some smaller business the opportunity to too
> their own horn if they can't get one of the larger businesses to set it up.
>
> ~k
>
>
>
> At 07:07 AM 8/1/2001 -0700, Roeland Meyer wrote:
> > > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:54 AM
> >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > >   3. The NC will not be webcast due to budget constraints.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Another year goes by with millions of people video
> > > conferencing and not one
> > > DNSO meeting can.  Makes one wonder what "budget constraints"
> > > really refers to.
> >
> >It's corporate-speak for "we don't want to spend the money." Note that, it
> >is a far cry from "we don't have the money to spend" (maybe true, for DNSO).
> >
> > > Could someone please send a book of commonly misused
> > > words and word
> > > combinations by the DNSO and ICANN to explain what words like "budget
> > > constraints" mean according to their definition.
> >
> >Since DNSO funding comes from ICANN, DNSO doesn't have it, but ICANN does.
> >
> > > According to all the dictionaries I have checked out it means the DNSO can
> >not
> > > afford video conferencing which we all know is a bunch of bologna.
> > >
> > > :)
> >
> >Since video conferncing is one of those things where costs scale up with
> >service, there may be an issue here. But, ICANN doesn't have to pay union
> >scale, so what's the problem? Any video is better than no video.
> >
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:17:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

Roeland:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:

> Since DNSO funding comes from ICANN, DNSO doesn't have it, but ICANN does.
ICANN doesn't funds DNSO.  DNSO funds comes from constituencies and more
recently, an iniciative of Voluntary Funds has being launched (hope DNSO
can get donations)

> Since video conferncing is one of those things where costs scale up with
> service, there may be an issue here. But, ICANN doesn't have to pay union
> scale, so what's the problem? Any video is better than no video.

I though we was talking about audio only.  Have you ever realized that
sometimes members of Names Council, at the time of the meeting, not always
are they in their office where they can use their computers to engage in a
videoconference?  Many of them use the telephone, for example.
But you are right, ICANN neither DNSO, neither constituencies has to
search expensive services for videoconference. There are tools that are
free for use to make videoconference.  The Non-Commercial Constituency has
being using VRVS and succesfully setted it up in Melbourne and Stockholm
meetings ( http://www.vrvs.org ).  Maybe you want to take a look to it and
contribute with more ideas.

Best Regards
Vany

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:19:57 +0200 (MET DST)
From: DNSO Secretariat <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Extention to the WHOIS Consultaion period

[ To: [email-masked] ]
[ To: [email-masked], [email-masked] ]
[ To: [email-masked] ]

The Names Council WHOIS Committee of the DNSO today agreed to extend
the WHOIS consultation period until the 14th August 2001. The survey
http://www.icann.org/dnso/whois-survey-en-10jun01.htm is available in
English, French, Spanish Russian and Japanese is part of a major
international survey which has already been completed by over 2000
respondents.

The purpose of the survey is to potentially review the current policy
regarding the availability names and addresses associated with the
registered holders of domain name (internet addresses). The WHOIS
Committee will be reviewing all comments submitted and then drafting a
report reflecting the views of the respondents, identifying where
there is satisfaction with the WHOIS environment and where
improvements to the ICANN WHOIS policy could be considered.

All internet users are invited to participate in the survey.
A preliminary report will be given to the Names Council meeting during
the ICANN Montevideo, Uruguay meeting, scheduled between the 7-10th
September 2001.

DNSO Secretariat
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:05:33 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ALSC's Structural Options

For goodness sake Derek, it's a discussion document, enough already! Would
you have the GA stop work altogether until there is a fully funded GA
Secretariat?

This document is typical of the generosity of our unpaid Chair that some
just take for granted; it represents a voluntary contribution in kind. Danny
has taken up the mantle of responsibility for clarifying the various issues
at hand that need GA input, and he has correctly identified the ALSC as
significant to the DNSO's future and drawn it to our attention in a form
that facilitates discussion, for which I thank him.

Personally, I don't care if it's posted at porno.com, or covered with ICANN
logos, it's the ISSUE that matters. And BTW, if you don't like the idea of
private websites masquerading as official ICANN websites, go talk to the
constituencies and give a few of them a hard time.

Regards,
Joanna

on 7/31/01 11:15 AM, Derek Conant at [email-masked] wrote:

> It does not appear appropriate for the Chair of the GA to be directing
> DNSO participants to his commercial Web site
> (http://www.icannworld.org).
> 
> The Chair does not appear to have any legal or entity protection,
> whatsoever, concerning the Chair's representations made at his Web site
> regarding ICANN, the DNSO, the DNSO GA, the ALSC or others.
> 
> This concerns me because in my opinion the Chair does not appear correct
> and I expect that he should appear more responsible in that he should
> not be engaged in activity that appears designed to redirect DNSO
> participants away from the DNSO to his own commercial Web site.
> 
> The Chair's Web site appears to me to be more than merely informational.
> 
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman
> 
> [email-masked] wrote:
> 
>> I have taken the liberty of creating visual representations of the
>> restructuring proposals put forth by the ALSC (their Options A,B,C).
>> These have been published at http://www.icannworld.org/options.htm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:30:51 -0700
From: "Bret A. Fausett" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> In my personal concept, the DNSO shouldn't increase the expenses.  A
> webcasting (only audio) have high cost because it would imply to hire the
> Berkman Center (they don't do this for free) and it would imply some
> thousands dollars for sure.

The audio from virtually every Names Council meeting over the last year has
been available in a downloadable mp3 file from my web site. I've always
posted a link to the General Assembly list within a few hours after the call
has concluded. They've been of varying quality, but they are usually
sufficient for following the issues and staying up to date. The mp3 webcasts
are not available in real time, but the meetings aren't participatory for
non-NC members either, so a delay of a few hours should be acceptable.

I usually keep the most current meeting linked from the main page of my web
site (http://www.lextext.com), and I think links to many of the recent calls
are now available off the main DNSO page (http://www.dnso.org). Because of
space considerations on my server, I'll be taking some of the older ones
off-line over the next couple of weeks (but anyone who wants an archived
copy for research can ask and I'll e-mail you a copy).

I started doing this as, to borrow a phrase, "proof of concept" that
"webcasts" for listen-only, non-participatory meetings need not be
expensive. The costs involved are simply an external microphone, software
that records audio into mp3 format (or will convert into mp3 format), and a
web server. I think the proof of concept has been a success, and it's my
understanding that some of the bidders to take over the DNSO Secretariat
function offered to perform this service directly (which I welcome!).

       -- Bret

(By the way, I don't believe that I will be able to provide this service for
the 16 August 2001 conference call. I'll post something here in the next
couple of days though, so GA members can make alternative arrangements if
necessary.)

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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:23:39 -0700
From: [email-masked] (Kristy McKee)
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

Vany,

Thank you for your thoughtful response(s).

The DNSO should not need to pay for the service:  it should be donated.

It is probable the DNSO needs some financial assistance/fund raisers.

"They" would be the folks responsible for the decision making processes for 
the DNSO which does not include the members of the GA; but rather their 
representative and the representatives of other constituencies, and other 
folks, as you are aware.

I seriously doubt any ISP would pass on the opportunity to provide 
conferencing services to the DNSO.

~k

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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:37:48 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

On 18:03 01/08/01, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales said:
>The DNSO is not an entity that have profits.

The DNSO is a Support Organization. Its budget is to the supported party. 
You do not pay your customers, you are paid by them, even in the new 
economy. The funding must come from the DNs. Fostering competition is not 
to create a competition against oneself to the benefit of the current monopoly.

>The DNSO has to adopt the same
>philosophy as ICANN do, as part of ICANN:  "the costs has to be as low as 
>possible (i.e.
>near to zero).

OK. Let have Danny and Patrick visiting me in Versailles on the budget.

>The bottom line here is: don't ask to the constituencies to spend more and
>more money.  This would increase the Budget meaning that constituencies
>would have to pay more year by year.   Instead, help us to find solutions
>that would help the DNSO to have more quality services available to its
>members without having to spend thousand and thousands of dollars.

Kiss good-bye to Joe Sims and Louis Touton. Good saving.
Hire Kent Crispin or Roeland Mayer to manage the Galaxy
part time. Have the IANA functions managed by Michelle.
Have two meetings a year in MDR. Stop team travels and
reduce on travels - it would save time to work on IPv6 and
new TLDs. Get a good mail based management system
(copy Estonia) at low cooperation costs: ask Dave Crocker
he might have some good ideas in his domain. Forget about
governance grandeur and propose the ccTLD to save on
their expenses in sharing MDR rent and staff. Agree with
other root on a mutual compensation plan by TLDs, develop
the Internet market and value added services for more DNs
to be sold and at higher value.

I am ready to cooperate 100% to such a cost reduction plan.
My 2 cents contribution.

Jefsey

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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:33:00 -0400
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [announce] NC telecon 16 August 2001 - agenda

Hi Brett:

I assumed that when it was talked about "webcasting" is to the ability to
witness by Real Player (or other web tool) the Names Council teleconferences
(adding to the fact that you have recorded many of them and made it available
to listen, and your contribution is very appreaciated for sure).

And, I am agree with you also.  Webcasting no need to be expensive.  But  the
natural provider of webcasting because they have a server for it, to DNSO, is
the Berkman Center, that's why I made such a reference.

I have some ideas.  As I said in a previous e-mail, the NCDNHC has implemented
succesfully twice a system named VRVS which is free for the Non-Commercial
Purpose and anyone can access it at http://www.vrvs.org

Cheers
Vany
:-)

"Bret A. Fausett" wrote:

> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> > In my personal concept, the DNSO shouldn't increase the expenses.  A
> > webcasting (only audio) have high cost because it would imply to hire the
> > Berkman Center (they don't do this for free) and it would imply some
> > thousands dollars for sure.
>
> The audio from virtually every Names Council meeting over the last year has
> been available in a downloadable mp3 file from my web site. I've always
> posted a link to the General Assembly list within a few hours after the call
> has concluded. They've been of varying quality, but they are usually
> sufficient for following the issues and staying up to date. The mp3 webcasts
> are not available in real time, but the meetings aren't participatory for
> non-NC members either, so a delay of a few hours should be acceptable.
>
> I usually keep the most current meeting linked from the main page of my web
> site (http://www.lextext.com), and I think links to many of the recent calls
> are now available off the main DNSO page (http://www.dnso.org). Because of
> space considerations on my server, I'll be taking some of the older ones
> off-line over the next couple of weeks (but anyone who wants an archived
> copy for research can ask and I'll e-mail you a copy).
>
> I started doing this as, to borrow a phrase, "proof of concept" that
> "webcasts" for listen-only, non-participatory meetings need not be
> expensive. The costs involved are simply an external microphone, software
> that records audio into mp3 format (or will convert into mp3 format), and a
> web server. I think the proof of concept has been a success, and it's my
> understanding that some of the bidders to take over the DNSO Secretariat
> function offered to perform this service directly (which I welcome!).
>
>        -- Bret
>
> (By the way, I don't believe that I will be able to provide this service for
> the 16 August 2001 conference call. I'll post something here in the next
> couple of days though, so GA members can make alternative arrangements if
> necessary.)
>
>
>
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