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GA-DIGEST            Thursday, July 5 2001            Volume 01 : Number 592

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:07:00 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the World

We need to separate this "Individual Domain Name Holders, and other
persons who are NOT a member of any constituency from those who ARE
members of a (DNSO) constituency.

Within the DNSO, of course the secretariat provides service to the
entire DNSO.

What is at issue, is who can request services from the secretariat, or
authorize incurring costs.

Historically, direction to the secretariat to set up lists, incur costs,
etc, has come from the Names Council, who represents the constituencies.
After all, the constituencies elected their NC reps.

Perhaps what is needed is a clear definition of who is authorized to
make these requests, and a procedure for GA chair to generate such
requests for authorization. 

Should the GA chair be able to generate such requests unilaterally?

Or

Should such requests be generated after consensus is reached on the
subject on the GA list or in face to face meetings

Peter de Blanc

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bret A.
Fausett
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:23 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck; 'Patrick Corliss'; Philip Sheppard
Cc: M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN; [ga]
Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
World

Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> Let me see if I understand this.  The constituencies pay for the 
> services, but the GA wants to call the shots?

The GA is _supposed to be_ an umbrella organization encompassing all the
constituencies, so the idea that resources could be allocated to it
without charging those who participate in it a separate fee isn't that
hard to accept. I hope the current problem of this being a de facto
place for unaffiliated DNSO participants will be cured when an
individual domain name owners constituency is finally chartered and
operational.

      -- Bret

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:27:09 -0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] citizen invovement - Europe/USA

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

>
>Maintenant que le Conseil des Ministres Européen a décidé la création
>de ".eu", les Membres des différents pays de l'Union Européenne peuvent
>exprimer leurs opinions (pour ou contre, pétitions) ainsi que leur 
>proposition
>concernant la défense des interêts européens auprés de leurs députés
>européens et de leurs représentants nationaux et locaux.
>
>Pour contacter les Membres du Parlement Européen:
>http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=FR&iorig=home
>
>Now that the European Council has decided the creation of ".eu", the
>Members of the different countries of the European Union may wish to 
>express
>their opinions on this topic and on the best support of the European 
>interests
>to their European representatives (con or pro, petitions) .
>
>For intormation on how to contact your local European representatives
>http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN&iorig=home
>

Ora che il Consiglio dei Ministri dell'Unione Europea ha deciso la creazione 
di .eu, i cittadini dei vari paesi membri dell'Unione Europea possono 
esprimere le loro opinioni (pro o contro, petizioni) e le loro proposte 
riguardanti la difesa degli interessi europei presso i loro deputati europei 
ed i loro rappresentanti nazionali e locali.

Per contattare i membri del Parlamento Europeo:
http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=IT&iorig=home

/resume English

Incidentally the European Parliament (as other European institutions) 
publish their material in different languages, unlike ICANN.

Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:53:19 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: stay on topic

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James M Galvin" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: stay on topic

> Speaking as co-Chair, I would like to remind everyone to keep their
> messages focused on answering the questions before us.  There is quite a
> bit of discussion that is at best only fringe-related to the issues on
> the table.
> 
> There are two issues before us now:
> 
> 1. The WG Last Call for the Guidelines for Conduct document.
> 
> 2. The review of the NOTE WELL document.
> 
> Interpreting silence as approval, I would say there is consensus for
> both.  That is not to say there haven't been any objections, I just
> haven't seen significant support for any of it.  There have also been
> some suggestions that will be addressed and summarized later.
> 
> If you have a comment about either of these documents, a short note with
> your comment and a suggestion for a change would be appreciated.
> Several short messages (one for each suggestion) are better than one
> long message.
> 
> Harald, do you want to close the discussion of the NOTE WELL?  Did you
> get enough comments to decide on a new version for publication?
> 
> Susan can summarize the status of the Guidelines document next week
> before we send it to the IESG.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:09:00 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the World

Peter,

In my opinion,  I think you might want to focus on the money,
as suggested by Chuck Gomes.

Can you explain where all of the money flows in the Domain Business ?

In most MLMs- Multi-Level-Marketing organizations, people have some
sense for where the money flows.

As a starting point, how can you afford to "jet set" around the world all
year ?
What are the gross revenues from the .VI Registry you run ?

Jim Fleming
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http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Bret A. Fausett'" <[email-masked]>; "'Gomes, Chuck'"
<[email-masked]>; "'Patrick Corliss'" <[email-masked]>; "'Philip
Sheppard'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN'" <[email-masked]>; "'[ga]'" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the World

> We need to separate this "Individual Domain Name Holders, and other
> persons who are NOT a member of any constituency from those who ARE
> members of a (DNSO) constituency.
>
> Within the DNSO, of course the secretariat provides service to the
> entire DNSO.
>
> What is at issue, is who can request services from the secretariat, or
> authorize incurring costs.
>
> Historically, direction to the secretariat to set up lists, incur costs,
> etc, has come from the Names Council, who represents the constituencies.
> After all, the constituencies elected their NC reps.
>
>
> Perhaps what is needed is a clear definition of who is authorized to
> make these requests, and a procedure for GA chair to generate such
> requests for authorization.
>
> Should the GA chair be able to generate such requests unilaterally?
>
> Or
>
> Should such requests be generated after consensus is reached on the
> subject on the GA list or in face to face meetings
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bret A.
> Fausett
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:23 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; 'Patrick Corliss'; Philip Sheppard
> Cc: M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN; [ga]
> Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
> World
>
>
> Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > Let me see if I understand this.  The constituencies pay for the
> > services, but the GA wants to call the shots?
>
> The GA is _supposed to be_ an umbrella organization encompassing all the
> constituencies, so the idea that resources could be allocated to it
> without charging those who participate in it a separate fee isn't that
> hard to accept. I hope the current problem of this being a de facto
> place for unaffiliated DNSO participants will be cured when an
> individual domain name owners constituency is finally chartered and
> operational.
>
>       -- Bret
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:11:35 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Help pass  HR 2417 .KIDS

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                                                      IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES
To facilitate the creation of a new global top-level Internet domain that
will be a haven for material that will promote positive experiences of
children and families using the Internet, to provide a safe online
environment for children, and to help prevent children from being exposed to
harmful material on the Internet, and for other purposes.

I urge all of the GA to write, phone and email your local congressperson to
*Co-Sponsor HR 2417*. This bill needs co-sponsors to get anywhere. Please
use the link below to find their address.

                            http://www.house.gov/writerep/

This new gTLD .KIDS is a very good idea for the safety of our children! We
need your *HELP*!

/Bruce James

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:21:45 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Responsible use of e-mail

Hello Patrick,

Thursday, July 05, 2001, 5:28:55 AM, Patrick Corliss wrote:
> If YOU do not co-operate YOU force a showdown.

Meaning if he doesn't do as you demand, and satisfy YOU.

> Elisabeth refused to co-operate so I appealed to you.  You refused to
> co-operate so I appealed to the Names Council.  Several of them have refused
> to co-operate so I appeal to Stuart Lynn.   Next the ICANN Board as a whole.

> All over a simple issue of list management.

> Don't you get it?   Sheesh !!

Actually, I think it is clear to everyone that it is you who does not
get it.

If you can't handle the job, perhaps you should do as Thomas
suggested, and step down.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:41:52 -0000
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS

Bruce James wrote:

>To facilitate the creation of a new global top-level Internet domain that
>will be a haven for material that will promote positive experiences of
>children and families using the Internet, to provide a safe online
>environment for children, and to help prevent children from being exposed 
>to
>harmful material on the Internet, and for other purposes.
>
>
>I urge all of the GA to write, phone and email your local congressperson to
>*Co-Sponsor HR 2417*. This bill needs co-sponsors to get anywhere. Please
>use the link below to find their address.
>
>                             http://www.house.gov/writerep/
>
>This new gTLD .KIDS is a very good idea for the safety of our children! We
>need your *HELP*!

I strongly disagree for the following reasons:

1. The creation of a specific TLD for kids will not achieve any result, 
except to attract side by side sites really meant for kids with other 
off-topic or even counterproductive material, like kids pornography, unless 
the Registry will not be given the power to police the contents of the Web 
sites worldwide, which is illegal in some countries.

2. The creation of a TLD by decision of the US Congress is severely 
limitating the power of ICANN and ratifying the subordinate role of ICANN to 
USG. The immediate effect of this decision will be a reaction by non-US 
actors, and the real risk of a split of the Internet. Which is, BTW, why I 
do believe that US Congress will never pass such a bill. Please note that 
the creation of a .kids.us SLD will be perfectly acceptable because it will 
act under US law and not have any international ripercussion.

Anyway, as a supporter of a really international Internet co-ordination body 
(which ICANN is not, BTW), I have to confess that the idea that US Congress 
might make such a stupid mistake like passing the bill and forcing the rest 
of the world to evaluate different alternatives outside the "longa manus" of 
uncle Sam tickles my imagination.

Yeah, who knows, in the future we might remember this early July for another 
"Independence Day", the beginning of a movement of independence of the 
Netizens from US Government. Might not be so bad, after all, to have a tea 
party with 13 brand new root servers! ;>)

Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:45:27 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Help pass  HR 2417 .KIDS

Hello Bruce,

Help DEFEAT this bill, if you really care about a .kids domain.

This domain should not be created by US congressional fiat.

Thursday, July 05, 2001, 10:11:35 AM, Bruce James wrote:

> H. R. 2417

>                                                       IN THE HOUSE OF
> REPRESENTATIVES
> To facilitate the creation of a new global top-level Internet domain that
> will be a haven for material that will promote positive experiences of
> children and families using the Internet, to provide a safe online
> environment for children, and to help prevent children from being exposed to
> harmful material on the Internet, and for other purposes.

> I urge all of the GA to write, phone and email your local congressperson to
> *Co-Sponsor HR 2417*. This bill needs co-sponsors to get anywhere. Please
> use the link below to find their address.

>                             http://www.house.gov/writerep/

> This new gTLD .KIDS is a very good idea for the safety of our children! We
> need your *HELP*!

> /Bruce James

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:51:46 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Funding $$$$ Falacies, Follies, etc.

Funding $$$$ Falacies, Follies, etc.

People think the $6 per year, per domain, goes to the U.S. Department of
Commerce.
....no one seems to know where it goes...

People assume that ALL of the TLDs share EQUALLY in those $6 per year
fees....
...some TLDs complain they are not getting any of those fees...

Some people are paid $250,000 per year to do nothing....they are never "in"
the office...

Some lawyers are paid $250,000 per month....for what ?, no one knows....

Thousands of people are now rushing to "create TLDs"....assuming they will
share in all of the above cash flow....they are asking very simple
questions....
...and get no answers....

Other people seem to take the position they want to step up for their
$250,000
per year and that is all they care about.....no one seems to be able to
figure out
that the supply of $250,000 pay checks may be limited...

The ICANN staff is growing and the costs are growing....no one knows why....
....the ICANN Board seems to be non-involved....

Meanwhile....everything seems to be progressing OK....and the Internet has
not crashed as people predicted....

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development

Jim Fleming
http://www.DOT.Arizona

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:15:10 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS

    Roberto:

    The US Congress is not going to let the DoC do anything to the free
ICANN from the USG control. That is why this bill will pass.

    /Bruce

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:41
Subject: Re: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS

Bruce James wrote:

>To facilitate the creation of a new global top-level Internet domain that
>will be a haven for material that will promote positive experiences of
>children and families using the Internet, to provide a safe online
>environment for children, and to help prevent children from being exposed
>to
>harmful material on the Internet, and for other purposes.
>
>
>I urge all of the GA to write, phone and email your local congressperson to
>*Co-Sponsor HR 2417*. This bill needs co-sponsors to get anywhere. Please
>use the link below to find their address.
>
>                             http://www.house.gov/writerep/
>
>This new gTLD .KIDS is a very good idea for the safety of our children! We
>need your *HELP*!

I strongly disagree for the following reasons:

1. The creation of a specific TLD for kids will not achieve any result,
except to attract side by side sites really meant for kids with other
off-topic or even counterproductive material, like kids pornography, unless
the Registry will not be given the power to police the contents of the Web
sites worldwide, which is illegal in some countries.

2. The creation of a TLD by decision of the US Congress is severely
limitating the power of ICANN and ratifying the subordinate role of ICANN to
USG. The immediate effect of this decision will be a reaction by non-US
actors, and the real risk of a split of the Internet. Which is, BTW, why I
do believe that US Congress will never pass such a bill. Please note that
the creation of a .kids.us SLD will be perfectly acceptable because it will
act under US law and not have any international ripercussion.

Anyway, as a supporter of a really international Internet co-ordination body
(which ICANN is not, BTW), I have to confess that the idea that US Congress
might make such a stupid mistake like passing the bill and forcing the rest
of the world to evaluate different alternatives outside the "longa manus" of
uncle Sam tickles my imagination.

Yeah, who knows, in the future we might remember this early July for another
"Independence Day", the beginning of a movement of independence of the
Netizens from US Government. Might not be so bad, after all, to have a tea
party with 13 brand new root servers! ;>)

Regards
Roberto

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:18:47 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Steady State $$$ and Domains

There was a time on the IPv4 Internet, where people described it
as "Ma, Pa and a T1".....the Next Generation Internet is reaching that
point...

As people survey the state of the Domain Business, they naturally are
trying to figure out the Steady State for the $$$. That shapes their
investment
decisions.

If one believes the analysts who claim that the SLD.TLD namespace will reach
a steady state of 120,000,000 names and one assumes about 2,000 Top Level
Domains (TLDs), then this amounts to an average of 60,000 SLD.TLD names
per TLD, if one assumes some even distribution.

If one then assumes that "Ma, Pa, their T1, and servers" need about $10
million
per year to operate, this amounts to $166.66 per year, on average, per
SLD.TLD.
For every SLD.TLD name at $6 per year, there may be one at $320 per year.

Does anyone have any idea how many of these people jet-setting around to
the ICANN meetings all year, have reached these steady state levels ?

Jim Fleming
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:22:35 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: 0:139     KIDS.....Re: [ga] Help pass  HR 2417 .KIDS

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
0:139     KIDS

.KIDS is already operational on the IPv4 proof-of-concept Internet

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development

Jim Fleming
http://www.DOT-Arizona.com
http://www.DOT.Arizona

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From: Bruce James
To: GA
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:11 PM
Subject: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS

H. R. 2417

                                                      IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES
To facilitate the creation of a new global top-level Internet domain that
will be a haven for material that will promote positive experiences of
children and families using the Internet, to provide a safe online
environment for children, and to help prevent children from being exposed to
harmful material on the Internet, and for other purposes.
I urge all of the GA to write, phone and email your local congressperson to
*Co-Sponsor HR 2417*. This bill needs co-sponsors to get anywhere. Please
use the link below to find their address.
                            http://www.house.gov/writerep/
This new gTLD .KIDS is a very good idea for the safety of our children! We
need your *HELP*!
/Bruce James

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:20:35 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the World

Jim:

I can afford it because I sold the ISP Internet access division of my
company to a public company some time ago. I pay my own expenses, I
guess you'd say it is 'pro bono'.

The VI registry is a small registry, and is closed at the second level
to locals only. Financially, it operates under a subsidy.

Peter de Blanc

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Fleming [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:09 PM
To: Peter de Blanc; 'Bret A. Fausett'; 'Gomes, Chuck'; 'Patrick
Corliss'; 'Philip Sheppard'
Cc: 'M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN'; '[ga]'
Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
World

Peter,

In my opinion,  I think you might want to focus on the money, as
suggested by Chuck Gomes.

Can you explain where all of the money flows in the Domain Business ?

In most MLMs- Multi-Level-Marketing organizations, people have some
sense for where the money flows.

As a starting point, how can you afford to "jet set" around the world
all year ? What are the gross revenues from the .VI Registry you run ?

Jim Fleming
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Bret A. Fausett'" <[email-masked]>; "'Gomes, Chuck'"
<[email-masked]>; "'Patrick Corliss'" <[email-masked]>;
"'Philip Sheppard'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN'" <[email-masked]>; "'[ga]'" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the
World

> We need to separate this "Individual Domain Name Holders, and other 
> persons who are NOT a member of any constituency from those who ARE 
> members of a (DNSO) constituency.
>
> Within the DNSO, of course the secretariat provides service to the 
> entire DNSO.
>
> What is at issue, is who can request services from the secretariat, or

> authorize incurring costs.
>
> Historically, direction to the secretariat to set up lists, incur 
> costs, etc, has come from the Names Council, who represents the 
> constituencies. After all, the constituencies elected their NC reps.
>
>
> Perhaps what is needed is a clear definition of who is authorized to 
> make these requests, and a procedure for GA chair to generate such 
> requests for authorization.
>
> Should the GA chair be able to generate such requests unilaterally?
>
> Or
>
> Should such requests be generated after consensus is reached on the 
> subject on the GA list or in face to face meetings
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bret 
> A. Fausett
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:23 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; 'Patrick Corliss'; Philip Sheppard
> Cc: M. Stuart Lynn, ICANN; [ga]
> Subject: Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address to the 
> World
>
>
> Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > Let me see if I understand this.  The constituencies pay for the 
> > services, but the GA wants to call the shots?
>
> The GA is _supposed to be_ an umbrella organization encompassing all 
> the constituencies, so the idea that resources could be allocated to 
> it without charging those who participate in it a separate fee isn't 
> that hard to accept. I hope the current problem of this being a de 
> facto place for unaffiliated DNSO participants will be cured when an 
> individual domain name owners constituency is finally chartered and 
> operational.
>
>       -- Bret
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:22:06 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS

From the HR 2417:

  (e) CONTINUATION OF DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE OVERSIGHT AND APPROVAL
AUTHORITY- During any period that ICANN has any authority for the
establishment of top-level generic or county code Internet domains and for
selection of registry services for such domains, the Secretary of Commerce--

    (1) shall carry out oversight and approval of such functions for the
Federal Government;

    (2) shall make every reasonable effort to retain the authority reserved
to the Department of Commerce under the Memorandum of Understanding referred
to in section 2(a)(1) of this Act and any amendments to such Memorandum; and

    (3) shall diligently exercise such authority.
/Bruce

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:41
Subject: Re: [ga] Help pass HR 2417 .KIDS

Bruce James wrote:

>To facilitate the creation of a new global top-level Internet domain that
>will be a haven for material that will promote positive experiences of
>children and families using the Internet, to provide a safe online
>environment for children, and to help prevent children from being exposed
>to
>harmful material on the Internet, and for other purposes.
>
>
>I urge all of the GA to write, phone and email your local congressperson to
>*Co-Sponsor HR 2417*. This bill needs co-sponsors to get anywhere. Please
>use the link below to find their address.
>
>                             http://www.house.gov/writerep/
>
>This new gTLD .KIDS is a very good idea for the safety of our children! We
>need your *HELP*!

I strongly disagree for the following reasons:

1. The creation of a specific TLD for kids will not achieve any result,
except to attract side by side sites really meant for kids with other
off-topic or even counterproductive material, like kids pornography, unless
the Registry will not be given the power to police the contents of the Web
sites worldwide, which is illegal in some countries.

2. The creation of a TLD by decision of the US Congress is severely
limitating the power of ICANN and ratifying the subordinate role of ICANN to
USG. The immediate effect of this decision will be a reaction by non-US
actors, and the real risk of a split of the Internet. Which is, BTW, why I
do believe that US Congress will never pass such a bill. Please note that
the creation of a .kids.us SLD will be perfectly acceptable because it will
act under US law and not have any international ripercussion.

Anyway, as a supporter of a really international Internet co-ordination body
(which ICANN is not, BTW), I have to confess that the idea that US Congress
might make such a stupid mistake like passing the bill and forcing the rest
of the world to evaluate different alternatives outside the "longa manus" of
uncle Sam tickles my imagination.

Yeah, who knows, in the future we might remember this early July for another
"Independence Day", the beginning of a movement of independence of the
Netizens from US Government. Might not be so bad, after all, to have a tea
party with 13 brand new root servers! ;>)

Regards
Roberto

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