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GA-DIGEST           Wednesday, July 4 2001           Volume 01 : Number 587

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:46:18 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: It also could prove highly embarrassing....

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/06/28/milosevic/index.html
"The trial of Milosevic promises to be one of the most remarkable since the
Nuremberg trial. Milosevic is the first head of state to face international
war crimes charges. It also could prove highly embarrassing to western
governments and some diplomats, who negotiated and made deals with Milosevic
at several points during the Bosnian, Croatian and Kosovo wars."

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Faynberg" <[email-masked]>
To: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "Ole J. Jacobsen" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: It also could prove highly embarrassing....

> This thread is becoming deliciously mysterious to me. Can anyone explain
> what is happening?
>
> At least when I just looked at the window of our Holmdel building three
> minutes ago it looked like the world was not ending yet, and the very
> movements of the birds (I observed three turkey vultures, two Canadian
> geese, and a pair of doves) were meaningful and logical.
>
> And then I got back to my e-mail...
>
> Even if I don't understand a thing on this thread, and no one cares to
> explain, I wish all happy 4th of July!
>
> Igor Faynberg
> Director Internet Applications and Management Technologies and Standards
> Bell Laboratories
> Tel: +1 732-949-0137
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>
> Jim Fleming wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ole J. Jacobsen" <[email-masked]>
> > To: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
> > Cc: <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: It also could prove highly embarrassing....
> >
> > > Can we have a POISED+Censored list, please?
> > >
> > > Or perhaps just a Fleming filter?
> > >
> > > Ole
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ole J. Jacobsen
> > > Editor and Publisher
> > > The Internet Protocol Journal
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> > > URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> > >
> > >
> > Dr. Vint Cerf
> > Sr. VP, Internet Architecture and Engineering,
> > MCI Communications, USA
> >   Mr. David Farber
> > The Alfred Fitler Moore Professor of Telecommunication Systems,
> > University of Pennsylvania, USA
> >   Mr. Edward R. Kozel
> > Sr. VP, Corporate Development,
> > Cisco Systems, USA
> >   Mr. Peter Lothberg
> > Network Architect,
> > Stupi AB, Sweden
> >   Dr. Jun Murai
> > Professor, WIDE Project,
> > Keio University, Japan
> >   Dr. Deepinder Sidhu
> > Professor, Computer Science & Electrical Engineering
> > University of Maryland Baltimore County
> > Director, Maryland Center for Telecommunications Research
> >   Mr. Pindar Wong
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> > VeriFi Limited, Hong Kong

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:57:11 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Happy Fourth of July

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12574.html
RFC-2001-07-01-000 IPv8 Expansion of Proof of Concept TLD Development

1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001 - TLDs

Jim Fleming
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http://www.DOT.Arizona

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:28:07 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] FTAA treaty to mandate use of ICANN UDRP]

Peter and all assembly members,

Peter de Blanc wrote:

> A note on the ccTLD perspective:
>
> We have, and will have in the future, a number of LDRP (Local Dispute
> Resolution) workshops, including one hosted by WIPO in Geneva. At the
> WIPO workshop, WIPO presented their idea of a 'model' LDRP, in hopes
> that ccTLDs would use it, or some of it, as a guideline for their own
> policy.
>
> Many ccTLDs, due to local government laws and policies, would need a
> policy suited to their own specific country.
>
> Even WIPO understands this.
>
> Finally, I do not see how an unbrella organization could mandate a
> single policy that would apply to so many soverign governments.

  I don't either, except that possibly the Western Hemisphere countries
which the text that Jamie provided may be in consultation in hopes that
they can come to an consensus on such a "Regional UDRP" for part of
the upcoming NAFTA review...  But none the less you point is well
taken...

>
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of James
> Love
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:05 PM
> To: General Assembly
> Subject: [ga] FTAA treaty to mandate use of ICANN UDRP]
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Ecommerce] FTAA proposals on domain names
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:57:26 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Robert Weissman <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
>
> The intellectual property section of the Free Trade Area of the Americas
> (FTAA) contains proposals that would obligate countries by law to rely
> on ICANN for domain name dispute resolution. The just released text of
> the FTAA is available at:
>
> http://www.ftaa-alca.org/ftaadraft/eng/draft_e.doc
>
> The relevant text follows below, from the trademark section. This is all
> still subject to negotiation.
>
> Article XX. [Domain names on the Internet
>
> 1. Parties shall participate in the Government Advisory Committee (GAC)
> of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) to
> promote appropriate country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) administration
> and delegation practices and appropriate contractual relationships for
> the administration of the ccTLDs in the Hemisphere.
>
> 2. Parties shall have their domestic Network Information Centers (NICs)
> participate in the ICANN Uniform Dispute Resolution Procedure (UDRP) to
> address the problem of cyber-piracy of trademarks.]
>
> Article XX. [Cancellation and transfer of domain name
>
> In the event that a well known distinctive sign has been inappropriately
> registered in the country of the Party, as part of a domain name or
> electronic mail address of an unauthorized third party, on request by
> the owner or legitimate rightholder of that sign, the competent
> authority shall consider the matter and, where appropriate, shall order
> cancellation or amendment of the registration of such domain name or
> electronic mail address, in accordance with the respective national law,
> provided that use thereof would be liable to have one of the following
> effects:
>
> 1. Risk confusion or association with the owner or legitimate
> rightholder of the sign, or with his or her establishments, activities,
> products or services;
>
> 2. Cause unfair economic or commercial injury to the owner or lawful
> rightholder of the sign, arising from a dilution of its distinctive
> force or commercial or publicity value;
>
> 3. Make unfair use of the prestige of the sign, or of the good name of
> its owner or lawful rightholder.
>
> The action of cancellation or amendment shall prescribe, for a period of
> five (5) years from the date on which the disputed domain name or
> electronic mail address was registered, or from the date on which
> electronic media, whichever period expires later, except where the
> registration was made in bad faith, in which case the action shall not
> be prescribed. This action shall not affect any other action that might
> be available with respect to injuries and damages under common law.]
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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 05:50:35 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Questionnaire

On 02:09 04/07/01, Sandy Harris said:
>Of course, those names have other uses and one could attempt a legal or 
>economic
>definition of the term 'domain name'. However, any such attempt would have 
>to be
>based on the definition in that RFC.

Dear Sandy,
I am afraid that (as foressen in RFC 1034) the domain names have many other 
technical uses that they had when defined in 1988 documents. I note that 
the semantic we were using was slighly different 1O years before but some 
of the technical capacities that where attached to them are not yet on the 
nets. There is therefore a very wide area in term of new technical uses of 
the DNs. The IP ringmarole based upon TLD limitations and TL-classes 
disrespect will eventually fade away and innovation will resume. There is a 
time for techies, a time for lawyers and a time for the users. Louis Touton 
is working smartly hard to delay the time of the users, but I doubt he 
succeeds... That man must sleep from time to time.
Jefsey

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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 15:13:39 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Admin note: I have resigned as list monitor

At 07:38 3/07/01 -0500, Bruce James wrote:

>     For those of you who don't know, I also resigned as a List Monitor on
>Monday, June 18, 2001. For reasons that I wish to keep private.

I am not at all surprised that our list moderators are dropping out.

It is a task that nobody in his right mind relishes. Damned of you do, 
damned if you don't.
The duty (and right) of banning Assembly participants for unacceptable 
behaviour rests on each one of us.
Only an ostracism by the majority of the participants here gives it the 
necessary undisputability.

The best way of enforcing list rules is allowing the list monitors to 
register complaints and putting up the names of the "candidates for 
banning" up for a democratic vote.
Offlist and on the web.

I am willing to continue this thread on GA-rules.
- --Joop--
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Former bootstrap of the IDNO (www.democracy.org.nz/idno/)
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:34:56 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Admin note: I have resigned as list monitor

Hello Joop,

Hogwash. Not only is this prohibitive, but it is wide open for abuse.

This is not the way abuse should be handled.

The majority of those voting is not always right, Joop.

Tuesday, July 03, 2001, 8:13:39 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 07:38 3/07/01 -0500, Bruce James wrote:

>>     For those of you who don't know, I also resigned as a List Monitor on
>>Monday, June 18, 2001. For reasons that I wish to keep private.

> I am not at all surprised that our list moderators are dropping out.

> It is a task that nobody in his right mind relishes. Damned of you do, 
> damned if you don't.
> The duty (and right) of banning Assembly participants for unacceptable 
> behaviour rests on each one of us.
> Only an ostracism by the majority of the participants here gives it the 
> necessary undisputability.

> The best way of enforcing list rules is allowing the list monitors to 
> register complaints and putting up the names of the "candidates for 
> banning" up for a democratic vote.
> Offlist and on the web.

> I am willing to continue this thread on GA-rules.
> --Joop--
> Founder of the Cyberspace Association.
> Former bootstrap of the IDNO (www.democracy.org.nz/idno/)
> Developer of    The Polling Booth
> www.democracy.org.nz

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:37:54 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] SABOT

I really have to agree with Patrick, on this and on the lists in general.
One measure of maturity in a polite and civilized society is a willingness
to abide by particular practices for the good of the group effort as a
whole, even though one may not happen to agree with them.  Without
that, and with each person seeking to follow whatever rule that person
happens to think best, there can be nothing but anarchy.

Bill Lovell

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:50 AM
> Subject: [ga] Re: [ga-udrp] Background Documents
>
> > Dear Sotiris,
>
> Dear Jefsey
>
> It really is an an of vandalism to take a post carefully made by another
> participant to another mailing list [ga-udrp] and then force a reply on the
> main [ga] list just because you happen to think, all on your own, and
> unelected to boot, the other lists are not a good idea.
>
> Please respect other list participants.
> And stop trying to sabotage the process.
>
> The French invented the word.  It comes from SABOT.
>
> If you want to change the system, just debate the issue.
>
> Regards
> Patrick Corliss
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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 05:54:25 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reply to Philip

Did we vote that war declaration?

Some times ago I harassed Danny for him to improve. Now I have a model on 
the way he wishes Members to relate with the Chair ... : - )  Great!
Jefsey

At 00:11 04/07/01, [email-masked] wrote:
>Philip,
>
>During your tenure as Chair of the NC you have abruptly terminated the life
>of the Review Working Group, failed to convene a working group on policy
>issues relating to the alternate root community, and indefinately postponed a
>working group on the UDRP.  For the benefit of those of us who believe that
>the General Assembly is mandated to undertake the substantive work of the
>DNSO, please advise when your term of office is set to expire so that we may
>know precisely when we will have the opportunity to honor the intent of the
>Bylaws.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:53:35 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] SABOT

Hello William,

Tuesday, July 03, 2001, 10:37:54 PM, William S. Lovell wrote:

> I really have to agree with Patrick, on this and on the lists in general.
> One measure of maturity in a polite and civilized society is a willingness
> to abide by particular practices for the good of the group effort as a
> whole, even though one may not happen to agree with them.  Without
> that, and with each person seeking to follow whatever rule that person
> happens to think best, there can be nothing but anarchy.

This assumes that there are rules that govern the behavior in
question.

There aren't.

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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 01:37:56 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] SABOT

Bill and all assembly members,

  I general, I agree with your assertion here, Bill.

William S. Lovell wrote:

> I really have to agree with Patrick, on this and on the lists in general.
> One measure of maturity in a polite and civilized society is a willingness
> to abide by particular practices for the good of the group effort as a
> whole, even though one may not happen to agree with them.  Without
> that, and with each person seeking to follow whatever rule that person
> happens to think best, there can be nothing but anarchy.
>
> Bill Lovell
>
> Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
> > To: <[email-masked]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:50 AM
> > Subject: [ga] Re: [ga-udrp] Background Documents
> >
> > > Dear Sotiris,
> >
> > Dear Jefsey
> >
> > It really is an an of vandalism to take a post carefully made by another
> > participant to another mailing list [ga-udrp] and then force a reply on the
> > main [ga] list just because you happen to think, all on your own, and
> > unelected to boot, the other lists are not a good idea.
> >
> > Please respect other list participants.
> > And stop trying to sabotage the process.
> >
> > The French invented the word.  It comes from SABOT.
> >
> > If you want to change the system, just debate the issue.
> >
> > Regards
> > Patrick Corliss
> >
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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:42:07 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] SABOT

Hi William

> This assumes that there are rules that govern the behavior in
> question.  There aren't.

Common courtesy, William.  If you want a statement, try:

http://www.dnso.org/listsdnso.html

Two main principles since the origin of this server in June 1999, explicited
in the welcome message sent by majordomo to every new subscriber:

* the non cross-posting rule is reinforced
* the respect to the participants is mandatory

Of course arguing about it just proves what I'm saying.
Jefsey has said that he intends to disrupt the process.

It's what you might call "throwing a spanner in the works"
Except in France it is done with a "sabot".  Hence sabotage.

So why would you support such an attitude?

Best regards
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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 08:43:48 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Wanton Refusal of Names Council

Patrick,
what on Earth are you yammering about???????

In my personal GA archives over the last month there is not a single 
posting that has been crossposted between ga-abuse and [email-masked].
Your shouting a dozen times on the GA list over this issue seems to have
solved the problem without any need for mechanical intervention.

As for your other issue, that of automatically sending filtered stuff to
the sender - the standard comment is "send code".

                  Harald

- --On 4. juli 2001 07:59 +1000 Patrick Corliss <[email-masked]> wrote:

>> The DNSO secretariat has rightly declined to date to act upon this
>> request because it is in effect a POLICY issue. We would be adding a
>> filter to the GA abuse list.
>
> In relation to a cross-posting between [ga-abuse] and another list, you
> can set the filters so they reject the [ga-abuse] post, reject the
> *other* post OR reject both posts.
>
> To give both you and Elisabeth the benefit of failing to understand my
> communication, please ask Elisabeth to set the filters so that it rejects
> the OTHER post.  That would be wiuthin you so-called *policy* restrictions
> as it would not reject the [ga-abuse] post.
>

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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:51:45 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Admin note: I have resigned as list monitor

Hi William

> This is not the way abuse should be handled.
>
> The majority of those voting is not always right, Joop.

So who is right?  Mr William X. Walsh, I suppose?
How would you like to do something constructive?

Suggest HOW we might achieve anything worthwhile.
I'm sure we would be most attentive.

You don't like the lists, you don't like the Chair or Alt Chair, you don't
like Joop, you don't like IDNO, you don't like the rules, you don't like
being asked to behave, you don't like suspensions, you don't like the
process, you don't like people disagreeing with you.

The only thing you like is arguing and wasting time.

Regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:07:03 -0400
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Vote

What is the possibility of having each of the candidates provide a 
brief statement of their position?

Leah

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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:18:40 +0200 (MET DST)
From: DNSO Secretariat <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Position statements] [ga] Vote

| From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
| To: [email-masked]
| Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:07:03 -0400
| Subject: [ga] Vote
| 
| What is the possibility of having each of the candidates provide a
| brief statement of their position?
| 
| Leah
| 

The acceptances from candidates provide statement of their position,
cf. http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.DNSO-GA-ReviewTF.html

Nominees listed in order of acceptances (updated daily): 
  * 25 Jun 2001, David Farrar
    http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc02/msg00005.html 
  * 28 Jun 2001, Eric Dierker
    http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc02/msg00007.html 
  * 2 Jul 2001, Joop Teernstra
    http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc02/msg00009.html 
  * 2 Jul 2001, Kent Crispin
    http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc02/msg00010.html 
    Kent Crispin immediately requested for removal from the Watchdog
    Committee:
    http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc02/msg00011.html 
  * 3 Jul 2001, Roberto Gaetano
    http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc02/msg00012.html 
    Roberto Gaetano immediately requested for removal from the Watchdog
    Committee:
    http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc02/msg00013.html 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:30:10 +0200
From: Thomas Roessler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] SABOT

On 2001-07-04 09:10:37 +1000, Patrick Corliss wrote:

>I imagine that it would be possible for the DNSO Secretariat to 
>set the mailing lists so that all mails were forwarded to 
>[ga-full].  This would be a budensome task and I cannot see any 
>support for it except from Jefsey Morfin himself.

This would, of course, be a trivial task for the secretariat. 

However, it would be burdensome to the subscribers to ga-full, and 
possibly to the other lists.

So, if someone believes they absolutely have to mess around with 
ga-full in order to silence Jefsey (or to please Eric, or whatever), 
please ask the ga-full subscribers FIRST.  If they want all sublists 
- - fine, go ahead, ask the secretariat to direct all sublists to 
ga-full.  You'd do everyone concerned a favor.

However, I'd guess it would be considerably wiser to just let Jefsey 
post his messages to lists where they don't belong.

IFF (if and only if) the split-up is carried by general consensus of 
list members, he'll soon notice that his messages to "wrong" lists 
will be ignored, or that replies are directed back to the 
appropriate sub-list.  I suppose that Jefsey would notice this 
sooner or later, and would follow general consensus.  (Otherwise, 
he'd start to look foolish at some point.)

If, however, the split-up is not carried by consensus, it may be 
time to rethink it.

In either of these case, I don't thinkt here is any need to start 
bothering the ga list with public notes about Jefsey's behaviour. We 
all see what he does, and make our own judgements about it. If you 
want to talk just to him, and try to persuade him to follow 
consensus (which will either be unnecessary, or unsuccessful - see 
above), please do so, possibly CCing your co-chair or ga-abuse. But, 
please, don't do so on ga.

So, could we please stop this thread and leave things to themselves?

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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:59:20 +0200
From: "Philip Sheppard" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO board elections

Patrick, you are in a busy mood today.
Why do you, vice chair of the GA, ask me as NC Chair to explain the purpose
of a ga mailing list? If you believe a GAmailing list serves no purpose
please propose its deletion and seek GA endorsement for the proposal.
Philip

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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:46:14 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] SABOT

Thomas and all assembly members,

  BTW, shouldn't this response of yours only gone to the
[email-masked]
list?

  To answer your question though, even if this post of yours is posted
to the wrong list, why not just vote on this issue to settle it?

Thomas Roessler wrote:

> On 2001-07-04 09:10:37 +1000, Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> >I imagine that it would be possible for the DNSO Secretariat to
> >set the mailing lists so that all mails were forwarded to
> >[ga-full].  This would be a budensome task and I cannot see any
> >support for it except from Jefsey Morfin himself.
>
> This would, of course, be a trivial task for the secretariat.
>
> However, it would be burdensome to the subscribers to ga-full, and
> possibly to the other lists.
>
> So, if someone believes they absolutely have to mess around with
> ga-full in order to silence Jefsey (or to please Eric, or whatever),
> please ask the ga-full subscribers FIRST.  If they want all sublists
> - fine, go ahead, ask the secretariat to direct all sublists to
> ga-full.  You'd do everyone concerned a favor.
>
> However, I'd guess it would be considerably wiser to just let Jefsey
> post his messages to lists where they don't belong.
>
> IFF (if and only if) the split-up is carried by general consensus of
> list members, he'll soon notice that his messages to "wrong" lists
> will be ignored, or that replies are directed back to the
> appropriate sub-list.  I suppose that Jefsey would notice this
> sooner or later, and would follow general consensus.  (Otherwise,
> he'd start to look foolish at some point.)
>
> If, however, the split-up is not carried by consensus, it may be
> time to rethink it.
>
> In either of these case, I don't thinkt here is any need to start
> bothering the ga list with public notes about Jefsey's behaviour. We
> all see what he does, and make our own judgements about it. If you
> want to talk just to him, and try to persuade him to follow
> consensus (which will either be unnecessary, or unsuccessful - see
> above), please do so, possibly CCing your co-chair or ga-abuse. But,
> please, don't do so on ga.
>
> So, could we please stop this thread and leave things to themselves?
>
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