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GA-DIGEST           Saturday, June 30 2001           Volume 01 : Number 574

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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:45:28 -0700
From: "Bret A. Fausett" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

[email-masked] wrote:
> I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable to the
> group (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group fails to
> arrive upon a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.

Danny --

I respectfully disagree with the idea either that the representative of the
General Assembly on the UDRP task force must be one of the 12 people who has
posted to the ga-udrp list or someone selected by them. I'd like to see us
have nominations and elections from the entire group of GA members.

    -- Bret

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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:00:37 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Brett, 

I am certainly prepared to be flexible on this issue... however, "elections" 
are both costly and require a fair amount of time (as Elisabeth has 
previously pointed out).  Perhaps if the group, (including any other 
interested parties) discusses this issue on the UDRP list, they will arrive 
at a suitable candidate without the need for a formal election process.  I 
welcome any other suggestions that would lead to an expediate conclusion.

regards,
Danny
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:11:35 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] request to  listmembers

Could the subject header	[ga] Nomination for representative to the NC 
Review TF -
please only be used for Nominations   and not for  unrelated threads.

Thank you.

- --Joop--
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Developer of    The Polling Booth
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:26:15 -0400
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

I agree with Bret.

Regards,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

"Bret A. Fausett" wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
> > I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable to the
> > group (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group fails to
> > arrive upon a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.
>
> Danny --
>
> I respectfully disagree with the idea either that the representative of the
> General Assembly on the UDRP task force must be one of the 12 people who has
> posted to the ga-udrp list or someone selected by them. I'd like to see us
> have nominations and elections from the entire group of GA members.
>
>     -- Bret
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:26:11 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Hello Bret,

Agreed.

Friday, June 29, 2001, 3:45:28 PM, Bret A. Fausett wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
>> I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable to the
>> group (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group fails to
>> arrive upon a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.

> Danny --

> I respectfully disagree with the idea either that the representative of the
> General Assembly on the UDRP task force must be one of the 12 people who has
> posted to the ga-udrp list or someone selected by them. I'd like to see us
> have nominations and elections from the entire group of GA members.

>     -- Bret

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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:27:06 -0400
From: "Ken Stubbs" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

i fully agree with bret here !!!

there are many parties who have participated over the last 18 months in
discussion who are quite qualifed to participate.  you should ask for
self-nominations to the list as well as other recommendations

dan steinberg's name comes to mind as one who has made many contributions in
the past to domain policy lists and a person who has a very strong knowldege
of the process

ken stubbs

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From: "Bret A. Fausett" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

> [email-masked] wrote:
> > I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable
to the
> > group (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group
fails to
> > arrive upon a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.
>
> Danny --
>
> I respectfully disagree with the idea either that the representative of
the
> General Assembly on the UDRP task force must be one of the 12 people who
has
> posted to the ga-udrp list or someone selected by them. I'd like to see us
> have nominations and elections from the entire group of GA members.
>
>     -- Bret
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:37:42 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] EU proposes its own Internet domain 

In a message dated 6/29/01 1:18:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email-masked] writes:

<< LUXEMBOURG--European Union ministers gave their blessing Wednesday to the
 setting up of .eu, a new Internet top-level domain for Pan-European
 companies, associations and institutions
 
 I take it this is going to be a country code?  or will it be required to go 
through the Icann gTLD application process?
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:47:22 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Chris McElroy has a thorough knowledge of all relevant issues and voices my
concerns about UDRP very well, hence I have felt no need to participate on
the list. I urge the group to nominate Chris for this position.

Do I have a second?

Regards,
Joanna 

on 6/29/01 6:38 PM, [email-masked] at [email-masked] wrote:

> Terms of Reference for the Names Council UDRP Review and Evaluation Task
> Force have 
> been posted at: 
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.NC-tor-UDRP-Review-Evaluation.html
> 
> The General Assembly has been invited to participate in the NC Task Force
> process 
> by selecting a representative (with the caveat that such member is not
> already included 
> in any of the following groups:  Business Constituency, ccTLD Constituency,
> gTLD 
> Constituency, IP Constituency, ISP Constituency, NCDNH Constituency,
> Registrar Constituency,  Complainant (or representative), CPR Panelist, CPR
> Provider, eResolution Panelist, eResolution Provider, NAF Panelist, NAF
> Provider,  Respondent (or representative), WIPO Panelist, WIPO Provider,
> Independent ADR expert).
> 
> As the Chair of the NC has asked that the selection be concluded within a
> week's 
> time, the GA will not have recourse to its usual voting mechanism.  Therefore
> it 
> is appropriate that the selection be made from the list of individuals that
> have 
> already expressed a participatory interest in this topic (having decided to
> contribute 
> to the GA's udrp list).  The following members have made contributions to
> that list: 
> 
> Corliss 
> Dierker 
> Farrar 
> Gardner 
> Gymer 
> James 
> Lovell 
> McElroy 
> Nortridge 
> Rader 
> Teernstra 
> Williams 
> 
> I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable to the
> group 
> (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group fails to
> arrive upon 
> a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.
> 
> These members may wish to review the preliminary discussions of the UDRP Task
> Force 
> which may be found at:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/tor-udrp/Arc00/maillist.html
> 
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:59:01 -0400
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

FWIW, I agree that Chris is a good candidate if he is willing.

Leah

On 29 Jun 2001, at 20:47, Joanna Lane wrote:

> Chris McElroy has a thorough knowledge of all relevant issues and
> voices my concerns about UDRP very well, hence I have felt no need to
> participate on the list. I urge the group to nominate Chris for this
> position.
> 
> Do I have a second?
> 
> Regards,
> Joanna 
> 
> 
> 
> on 6/29/01 6:38 PM, [email-masked] at [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > Terms of Reference for the Names Council UDRP Review and Evaluation
> > Task Force have been posted at:
> > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.NC-tor-UDRP-Review-Evaluation.ht
> > ml
> > 
> > The General Assembly has been invited to participate in the NC Task
> > Force process by selecting a representative (with the caveat that
> > such member is not already included in any of the following groups: 
> > Business Constituency, ccTLD Constituency, gTLD Constituency, IP
> > Constituency, ISP Constituency, NCDNH Constituency, Registrar
> > Constituency,  Complainant (or representative), CPR Panelist, CPR
> > Provider, eResolution Panelist, eResolution Provider, NAF Panelist,
> > NAF Provider,  Respondent (or representative), WIPO Panelist, WIPO
> > Provider, Independent ADR expert).
> > 
> > As the Chair of the NC has asked that the selection be concluded
> > within a week's time, the GA will not have recourse to its usual
> > voting mechanism.  Therefore it is appropriate that the selection be
> > made from the list of individuals that have already expressed a
> > participatory interest in this topic (having decided to contribute
> > to the GA's udrp list).  The following members have made
> > contributions to that list: 
> > 
> > Corliss 
> > Dierker 
> > Farrar 
> > Gardner 
> > Gymer 
> > James 
> > Lovell 
> > McElroy 
> > Nortridge 
> > Rader 
> > Teernstra 
> > Williams 
> > 
> > I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate
> > acceptable to the group (through necessary discussion on the udrp
> > list);  If the group fails to arrive upon a consensus choice, the
> > Chair will make the final selection.
> > 
> > These members may wish to review the preliminary discussions of the
> > UDRP Task Force which may be found at:
> > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/tor-udrp/Arc00/maillist.html
> > 
> > 
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:14:36 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Hello Ken,

Friday, June 29, 2001, 5:27:06 PM, Ken Stubbs wrote:

> i fully agree with bret here !!!

> there are many parties who have participated over the last 18 months in
> discussion who are quite qualifed to participate.  you should ask for
> self-nominations to the list as well as other recommendations

> dan steinberg's name comes to mind as one who has made many contributions in
> the past to domain policy lists and a person who has a very strong knowldege
> of the process

I would also support Dan Steinberg.

Not only for his knowledge and background, both of which are
excellent, but also for his fairness and ability to get the points
across in both a professional, and compelling, manner.

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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:35:07 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

I too. But you proposed that procedure just to awake the ML, didn't you?
Jefsey

On 02:27 30/06/01, Ken Stubbs said:
>i fully agree with bret here !!!
>
>there are many parties who have participated over the last 18 months in
>discussion who are quite qualifed to participate.  you should ask for
>self-nominations to the list as well as other recommendations
>
>dan steinberg's name comes to mind as one who has made many contributions in
>the past to domain policy lists and a person who has a very strong knowldege
>of the process
>
>ken stubbs
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bret A. Fausett" <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 6:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member
>
>
> > [email-masked] wrote:
> > > I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable
>to the
> > > group (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group
>fails to
> > > arrive upon a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.
> >
> > Danny --
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with the idea either that the representative of
>the
> > General Assembly on the UDRP task force must be one of the 12 people who
>has
> > posted to the ga-udrp list or someone selected by them. I'd like to see us
> > have nominations and elections from the entire group of GA members.
> >
> >     -- Bret
> >
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:18:51 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO Voluntary Donation Fund

Danny and all assembly members,

  Excuse me but I thought this fund raising effort was for the DNSO,
and ONLY the DNSO.  As it seems that the account number, and
address is an ICANN address and account number, how does
any potential donor KNOW that the money he/she is considering
donating is going to the DNSO or efforts strictly pertaining to the
DNSO?

[email-masked] wrote:

> >From the Council list:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc05/msg00528.html
>
> As you know, after quite a few months of preparation, we are now about to
> launch the fund-raising efforts for voluntary donations to the DNSO.  These
> funds, which will be matched by donations from VeriSign Global Registry
> Services for up to $100,000, are primarily designed to cover the costs of
> providing professional support to the Names Council.  Without them, baring
> any other changes, we will continue to operate on a primarily volunteer
> basis.
>
> The purpose of this note is to alert you to the fact that the fund-raising
> effort will now begin and ask that you raise this with all of the members of
> your Constituency.  A fund-raising document is attached.  Contributions,
> which are tax deductible in the United States, should be made payable to
> “ICANN DNSO ACCOUNT” and mailed to ICANN.  Alternatively, donors may wire
> transfer their donations as follows:
>
> Information for wire transfer to ICANN account:
> Account number 09146-11724
> Routing indicator 121000358
> Bank of America Branch 0914
> 4754 Admiralty Way
> Marina del Rey, CA  90292  USA
> Telephone +1/310/247-2080
>
> When making wire transfers, please send tracking information to
> <[email-masked]>.
>
> Raising money for the operation of the DNSO and the Names Council is
> important.  I think that we all agree that our ability to operate
> successfully is hindered by our all-volunteer support and that increased
> professional support is necessary to our success.  While I know that many
> businesses and organizations   -including many large businesses who benefit
> greatly form the successful operation of the domain names system-  will claim
> that they have no funds available for such donations, if each
> organization/person who attends Names Council meetings would only donate one
> fifth of the amount of money that they spend on travel and entertainment for
> ICANN meetings to this effort, we will be amply funded.
>
> Please ask each of your members to make a contribution and help us push them
> a little on this.
>
> Roger Cochetti
> Chair
> Budget Committee
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> I urge all members of the GA to contribute to this process.  I will
> personally begin with a $100 donation.
>
> Best regards,
> Danny Younger
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:16:37 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Are you talking about our Chris McElroy?  Are you serious?  Why would you want to
possibly put such a great person through that?

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Chris McElroy has a thorough knowledge of all relevant issues and voices my
> concerns about UDRP very well, hence I have felt no need to participate on
> the list. I urge the group to nominate Chris for this position.

You have my second on this ie me too!

>
> Do I have a second?

You have my whole hearted second  and third and fourth but to be official;

Seconded by Eric Dierker

Sincerely,
Eric

>
> Regards,
> Joanna
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:39:13 -0700
From: Jeff Williams <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Bret and all assembly members,

  I believe that Bret's suggestion is a wise one.  I would also suggest
that the Forum that is currently being used (Without public
Announcement BTW) be open to any and all interested participants
for public comment at [email-masked] .

Bret A. Fausett wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
> > I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable to the
> > group (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group fails to
> > arrive upon a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.
>
> Danny --
>
> I respectfully disagree with the idea either that the representative of the
> General Assembly on the UDRP task force must be one of the 12 people who has
> posted to the ga-udrp list or someone selected by them. I'd like to see us
> have nominations and elections from the entire group of GA members.
>
>     -- Bret
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:33:51 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Danny,

I very much appreciate your position here and actually find no problem in your
method.  Between the ten of us we can fight it out and probably end up with the
same person and you have not excluded anyone from the process and if we are
deadlocked we can vote through our group and that will work. This issue has been
beaten until dead and then shot four or five times.  Overall the GA is very much
opposed to reverse hijacking and considers the UDRP as extra judiciary and
illigitimate which it is.  So all we have to do is find someone who supports
that position and will take the danged job and we got it made.

It appears that Namecritic is a front runner and that reflects our feelings but
of course with any consensus body we will have some who just are adamant that
someone who will not force our agenda should be the person and then they will
attack the legitimacy from the bottom and someone from the top will use it to
cast doubt and ignore what our dude or dudette says.  So let us do it this way.

But really cost as a reason not to have a vote means we cannot afford to fulfill
our function and that is the BoDs' intention.

Sincerely,
Eric

[email-masked] wrote:

> Brett,
>
> I am certainly prepared to be flexible on this issue... however, "elections"
> are both costly and require a fair amount of time (as Elisabeth has
> previously pointed out).  Perhaps if the group, (including any other
> interested parties) discusses this issue on the UDRP list, they will arrive
> at a suitable candidate without the need for a formal election process.  I
> welcome any other suggestions that would lead to an expediate conclusion.
>
> regards,
> Danny
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:32:56 -0400
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]>
Subject: FW: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

- ----------
From: "ROSS RADER" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: "ROSS RADER" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:58:37 -0400
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Second.

But you'll have to forward this to the list for me.

(not subscribed from this address)

- -rwr

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joanna Lane <[email-masked]> (by way of "Ross Wm. Rader"
<[email-masked]>)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:55:13 -0400
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Chris McElroy has a thorough knowledge of all relevant issues and voices my
concerns about UDRP very well, hence I have felt no need to participate on
the list. I urge the group to nominate Chris for this position.

Do I have a second?

Regards,
Joanna

on 6/29/01 6:38 PM, [email-masked] at [email-masked] wrote:

 > Terms of Reference for the Names Council UDRP Review and Evaluation Task
 > Force have
 > been posted at:
 > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2001.NC-tor-UDRP-Review-Evaluation.html
 >
 > The General Assembly has been invited to participate in the NC Task Force
 > process
 > by selecting a representative (with the caveat that such member is not
 > already included
 > in any of the following groups:  Business Constituency, ccTLD
Constituency,
 > gTLD
 > Constituency, IP Constituency, ISP Constituency, NCDNH Constituency,
 > Registrar Constituency,  Complainant (or representative), CPR Panelist,
CPR
 > Provider, eResolution Panelist, eResolution Provider, NAF Panelist, NAF
 > Provider,  Respondent (or representative), WIPO Panelist, WIPO Provider,
 > Independent ADR expert).
 >
 > As the Chair of the NC has asked that the selection be concluded within a
 > week's
 > time, the GA will not have recourse to its usual voting
mechanism.  Therefore
 > it
 > is appropriate that the selection be made from the list of individuals
that
 > have
 > already expressed a participatory interest in this topic (having decided
to
 > contribute
 > to the GA's udrp list).  The following members have made contributions to
 > that list:
 >
 > Corliss
 > Dierker
 > Farrar
 > Gardner
 > Gymer
 > James
 > Lovell
 > McElroy
 > Nortridge
 > Rader
 > Teernstra
 > Williams
 >
 > I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable
to the
 > group
 > (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the group fails to
 > arrive upon
 > a consensus choice, the Chair will make the final selection.
 >
 > These members may wish to review the preliminary discussions of the UDRP
Task
 > Force
 > which may be found at:
 > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/tor-udrp/Arc00/maillist.html
 >
 >
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:42:59 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

Danny-

While I appreciate your agressiveness in mobilizing the GA, this latest
manoeuver is going too far. 

The job of the chair is to facilitate consensus building, and do
administrative tasks, and, yes, perhaps even to inspire and mobilize.

The job IS NOT that of an executive, empowered by the GA to make
unilateral decisions.

I've supported your efforts so far, Danny, but not this.

Facilitate consensus- and that means a MUCH broader sample of the GA
membership.

For starters, write to a NC member of each constituency and get this
matter posted on the constituency lists.

Peter de Blanc
Chair, ccTLD 

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bret A.
Fausett
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 6:45 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] UDRP Task Force Member

[email-masked] wrote:
> I am asking these twelve members to put forward a candidate acceptable

> to the group (through necessary discussion on the udrp list);  If the 
> group fails to arrive upon a consensus choice, the Chair will make the

> final selection.

Danny --

I respectfully disagree with the idea either that the representative of
the General Assembly on the UDRP task force must be one of the 12 people
who has posted to the ga-udrp list or someone selected by them. I'd like
to see us have nominations and elections from the entire group of GA
members.

    -- Bret

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