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GA-DIGEST            Friday, June 15 2001            Volume 01 : Number 544

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:02:40 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] "whois" survey

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:50:14 GMT, David Farrar wrote:

> Has a notice gone out on icann-announce or dnso-announce alerting people
to the
> [WHOIS] survey?  Would be a good idea IMO.

Hi David

I agree.  Perhaps I might refer that to Philip Sheppard for his
consideration.

Mght he also clarify the role of dnso-announce for me, please?

Thank you.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:17:53 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Also - Re: DNSO GA Chair Employed by Register.com?

I need to mention that Danny did indicate to me that his baby bow business
was an online business, however, he emphasized to me that this was the
extent of his association with any Internet business.  Danny should have
mentioned to me that he was employed by Register.com.  I must say that I may
have misunderstood him.

Another point is that Danny did mention his association with Register.com in
a post to the GA forum.  I was not aware of the post until now.
http://dnso.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-nominations/Arc01/msg00003.html

I have posted several messages in support of Danny following my meeting him
in Stockholm because I believed his participation in the ICANN process was a
nobel effort.  I don't know what to think about the GA Chair now or his
motives.

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

Derek Conant wrote:

> Danny,
>
> I have come across a recent GA post that states that you are an employee
> of Register.com.
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc07/msg03228.html
>
> You indicated to me in Stockholm that you do not have any business
> association, whatsoever, with any Internet business.  You indicated to
> me that you own a company that produces bows for babies (baby bows).
> You indicated to me that you are a family man with limited financial
> resources and that you funded your trip to Stockholm.  You indicated to
> me that you are not funded for you efforts at ICANN and that your only
> interest in participating in the ICANN process is for a noble effort.
>
> Is it true that you are employed by Register.com?
>
> If you are employed by Register.com, then I can only guess that a deal
> must have been cut with you after your representations to me at
> Stockholm.  If you are employed by Register.com, I question your motives
> with the representations you made to me in Stockholm.
>
> I am an owner in domain name registration businesses and several ISP
> companies.
>
> I won't know what to think if you are in fact working for Register.com.
>
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:39:10 +0200
From: Alexander Svensson <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] let's try to see this constructively... and not over rea

David Farrar wrote on 15.06.01, 03:50:14:
> Has a notice gone out on icann-announce or dnso-announce alerting people to
> the
> survey?  Would be a good idea IMO.

It has been posted on the icann-announce, even though 
unfortunately as part of the message about the Uruguay 
meeting:

>               DNSO Names Council Whois Survey
>
> The ICANN Domain Names Supporting Organization (DNSO) is conducting a
> study of the Internet domain-name system's Whois system, which provides
> information about registrations of domain names. The DNSO invites you to
> participate by filling out a survey posted on the ICANN website.  The
> survey is currently available in the English and Spanish languages and
> will be available in additional languages soon.
>
> <http://www.icann.org/dnso/whois-survey-en-10jun01.htm>
>
> The survey was designed to solicit input from as many people as possible
> concerning the use of Whois service, and to assess whether changes
> should be considered to the current Whois policy adopted by ICANN.
>
> The comment period is open NOW until 31 July 2001, be sure to be heard!
> Participate!

Best regards,
/// Alexander
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:49:02 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO GA Chair Employed by Register.com?

Dear Derek,
I cannot yet again be labelled a pro-Danny :-). As it is not easy to 
respond such legitimate mail as yours: so I hope Danny will accept that I 
prompt the following comment.

Danny never hidden he had several different jobs [he detailed] before 
creating his own company with his wife and he is moonlighting at Register 
Inc. in no politically involved position. Jeff is not disclosing anything, 
just alluding to Danny's candidacy presentation.

Several praised Danny for his contribution in Stockholm. Myself I never 
faught Danny for what he is but for his present style, IMHO detrimental to 
the GA and to himself. He will be someone to count with, once he has found 
his Chairman style (not easy as yourself discovered it this week ;-) ).

Would Registers Inc. take notice of such an employee and promote him, this 
would be a good point for them and I would certainly not object. Would 
Danny have this possiblity or others in mind this would certainly be a plus 
in my mind. Would him personnally share Registers points of view as a new 
comer learning a new trade through his colleagues at Registers, this would 
seem natural. I note that Danny's style seems to have "improved" a lot 
since Stockholm: experience are the mistakes of cute people having memory 
and the people he may share them with.

Ambition is far more secure a mobile and an agenda for one person's 
partners than nobility. Danny never hidden his position: I am sure would it 
substantially change he would let it us know (it is his interest). With any 
ambitious and capable man, the concern is more the target than the current 
alliances.

BTW I am quite interested in learning that you are an owner in DNs and 
ISPs. We all have our interests and ownerships, and we are all grown boys 
with our agendas. This is what makes the GA interesting as Marilyn 
explained it yesterday. But knowing better each other helps a more 
efficient debate.

Cheers. Jefsey

On 15:18 15/06/01, Derek Conant said:
>Danny,
>
>I have come across a recent GA post that states that you are an employee
>of Register.com.
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc07/msg03228.html
>
>You indicated to me in Stockholm that you do not have any business
>association, whatsoever, with any Internet business.  You indicated to
>me that you own a company that produces bows for babies (baby bows).
>You indicated to me that you are a family man with limited financial
>resources and that you funded your trip to Stockholm.  You indicated to
>me that you are not funded for you efforts at ICANN and that your only
>interest in participating in the ICANN process is for a noble effort.
>
>Is it true that you are employed by Register.com?
>
>If you are employed by Register.com, then I can only guess that a deal
>must have been cut with you after your representations to me at
>Stockholm.  If you are employed by Register.com, I question your motives
>with the representations you made to me in Stockholm.
>
>I am an owner in domain name registration businesses and several ISP
>companies.
>
>I won't know what to think if you are in fact working for Register.com.
>
>Derek Conant
>DNSGA President and Chairman
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:15:26 +0900
From: "YJ Park" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [Clarification] DNSO GA Chair Employed by Register.com?

Derek,

I have known him since WG-Review process.

We once held a teleconference on January 23 or so.
When we were waiting more people to join the teleconference,
he told attendees he was working at Register.com especially at night.

> I have posted several messages in support of Danny following my meeting
him
> in Stockholm because I believed his participation in the ICANN process was
a
> nobel effort.  I don't know what to think about the GA Chair now or his
> motives.

Whose effort is noble and whose not?

Thanks,
YJ

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:54:17 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] international domain news

Reposted from the Australian DNS mailing list.
From: David Goldstein <[email-masked]>
To: DNS mailing list <[email-masked]>
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:30:39 +1000

ICANN CEO RESPONDS TO CRITICISM
ICANN CEO M. Stuart Lynn has responded to public criticism from two
ICANN at-large board members who argued that ICANN needs major
structural changes.  Lynn responds that the ICANN board is not a rubber
stamp on issues presented by the staff and that interested parties
should participate in the current at-large study.  Criticism at
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44404,00.html
Response at
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44480,00.html

VERIZON STRIKES BACK AT COVAD
Verizon has filed a lawsuit against Covad.  The company alleges that
Covad made false claims that Verizon was not providing lines for Covad's
DSL service and ordered employees to file phoney reports to mislead
consumers and regulators.
Verizon's complaint at:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/kit/suit
Media coverage at:
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/166752.html
http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/025574.htm
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,44459,00.html
http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,27090,00.html
http://www.latimes.com/business/20010613/t000049121.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58368-2001Jun12.html

ICANN To Gauge Privacy Concerns Over 'Whois' Database
The organization charged with managing the worldwide Domain Name System
(DNS) has launched a study to gauge privacy concerns raised by the
plethora of personal information contained in the "Whois" database, a
publicly searchable resource used to determine the identity of domain
name registrants.
 http://www.washtech.com/news/regulation/10452-1.html

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:22:22 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO Secretariat 

Dear Patrick,
You are right ANZ origniates 17.5% of the DNSO Top Set (4 on 23 persons).

On 14:12 15/06/01, Patrick Corliss said:
>Hi Jefsey
> > I am surprised this document does not reflect the need to correct the
> > current geographical unbalance of the DNSO top set I documented (12.5 % of
> > the persons being from ANZ). I hope the budget alocated to the
> > hired  consultant will permit him to consider candidates outside of his
> > sub-area.
>You are highly literate but your mathematics is shocking.  Or should I say
>abuse of statistics?  If by ANZ you mean Australia & New Zealand, 50% of the
>two Chairs (me and Danny) come from this region.

Here is the mail I refered to.

<quote>
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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:41:47 +0200
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From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] our outreach geographical priorities
Sender: [email-masked]

During the @large election ANZ candidates complained they stand no chance 
in the same area as China; India and Japan (a 1 to 100 ratio if no more). 
They seem to have found a solution since a geographical DNSO review shows 
that our top set people are :
7 NC from North America + the GA Chair
5 NC from Europe (including Secretariat)
5 NC from Latin America
3 NC from ANZ + GA alt-Chair
1 NC from East Asia
0 NC from Japan
0 NC from Indian Sub-Continent
0 NC from Africa.
May be we went too far. The coming elections/selections should be used to 
correct that unbalance. We should focus first on China and India as Africa 
and Japan have at least an @large Director.
Jefsey
<unquote>

>Or are you talking the single Erica Roberts on the NC?

What has Erica to do with this? Is she running for Secretary ??  Please! 
She is only asking if someone would be interested, as Philip Sheppard did 
on BC...

IMHO you should remember people like Richard Tindall and Grant Forsyth ... 
Please do not hurt all you NC countrymen one shot!

 > As I understand it the NC is balanced by region.

This is what I felt, but I did not look into the bylaws. Thank you for having.

>Of the DNSO Secretariat is 100% French !!!!

I do not understand that remark.
- - as you may note I suggest China, India or Africa as alternatives. Are you 
opposed?
- - France, as Korea, is represented by one person. Australia by 3. ANZ by 4. 
China and India by 0.
- - I nominated Joop (ANZ) for the BoD.

>Any good statistition (rather than rhetorician) will show the source of
>their figure.

I do not know understand. http://www.dnso.org/constituency/ncmembers.html 
is the single URL you need.

><more sigh>

I am afraid you shown here the pertinence of your <sigh>'s ...

Jefsey

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:38:52 -0700
From: Eric Dierker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] let's try to see this constructively... and not over react ...

Let me put this in a constructive manner,

It is one thing to draft a sloppy questionaire and quite another to draft a
krafty one.  Whoever drafted the Whois questionaire did a great job. "When did
you stop beating your husband."  Marketers and pollsters have known for hundreds
of years how to draft leading questions which draw the answers to a logical
conclusion in favor of what the questioner wants.  In court these are called
leading questions and are generally objectionable.
(interesting to note that an exception is with small children or incompetants)

So in anticipation we should realize that this questionaire is specifically
designed to show the status quo is just fine or that there is no reasonable
alternative.  It is also designed to prove participation by the masses and lend
credence to any board decision as bottoms up. We must decide to participate or
not--lend credence or try to answer in such a way as to thwart a predetermined
result.
(and the Dictator thumped his chest and proclaimed the results of the open
election.....)

Sincerely,

"Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" wrote:

> I agree with Danny's response. In my view, always easy to be critical;
> better to be constructive.
>
> I regret that Michael has expressed only concerns. Isn't the survey  not to
> determine an outcome in itself, but to try to gather information?
> Obviously, using narrative responses is not going to result in a
> statistically valid study; and given the method of distribution, it isn't a
> "sample", but that wasn't and isn't the point, I would say.
>
> I still encourage everyone who uses WHOIS to respond and to be constructive.
>
> I believe that even sociologists sometimes do non-statistical "field
> research"....
>
> Marilyn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Froomkin [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:48 PM
> To: Danny Younger
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Re: "They're Coming To Take Me Away. Ha Ha."
>
> I meant a professional with experience in survey design, not someone paid by
> ICANN to do whatever it is ICANN pays them to do.  It goes without saying
> that
> no one at ICANN, or the NC, has this somewhat specialist skill (although I
> would
> not be surprised to find it in the GA somewhere).  No blame attaches for
> this,
> as there is no reason we should expect them to--it's a technical body
> (right?),
> not a social science research unit.  But nor should we place much credence
> in
> the results, whoever designed it.
>
> I don't see the value of a lot of energy being used to produce something
> that
> cannot be relied on.   The lesson is: if you are going to do a survey, run
> it by
> someone who designs them for a living.   Someone in a sociology department
> or a
> psychology department of a university who does empirical work if you can't
> get a
> professional pollster.
>
> In fact, given the bias of the design, the greater the 'outreach' for this
> survey, the greater the damage.
>
> [I'll almost certainly be offline from now until Tuesday due to travel.]
>
> Danny Younger wrote:
>
> > With regard to the WHOIS survey, Michael Froomkin writes:  "I wish whoever
> > wrote this had consulted a professional."
> >
> > Actually, we are probably quite lucky that the Names Council's WHOIS
> > committee (of which I am also a member) wrestled this project away from
> the
> > ICANN staff which some time ago had formed its own WHOIS Committee
> > http://www.icann.org/committees/whois/.  Yes, it might have been more
> > professional had the ICANN staff devoted their full-time professional
> skills
> > to it, but I for one am quite happy to see the uncompensated volunteer
> > members of the Names Council showing some real initiative and a desire to
> > address the problems that lay ahead.
> >
> > Whatever this survey may lack in "design", one has to admit there has been
> a
> > major effort made at outreach, along with a significant effort to
> translate
> > this survey into multiple languages (more soon to be forthcoming).  Please
> > bear in mind that this is only step one in a much longer process that will
> > fully involve the General Assembly.    Let's not go overboard with the
> > criticism when it is clear that we are making forward progress.
> >
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:58:42 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ga-roots] Re: ICANN Policy -- revised version

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jefsey Morfin" <[email-masked]>

> >Next is "Competitive and Inclusive" IP registries....
>
> This is the real issue.
>
> The real problem is IP addressing. The social/industry/politcal importance
> of the problem is such that the current DNS blundering by the iCANN makes
> unconceivable it will not be taken over by the ITU/T.
>
- ------------

With 4+ billion site prefixes....and IPv8 Address Space "managed"
by the various TLD Managers ?
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
2002:<IPv4>:0000:<IPv8> vs. 3FFE:<IPv6>

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html
These should give IN-ADDR.ARPA a run for it's money...

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12215.html
IN-ADDR.SHOP
IN-ADDR.SPACE
IN-ADDR.SEX
IN-ADDR.ART
IN-ADDR.ZONE
IN-ADDR.MUSIC
IN-ADDR.ONLINE
IN-ADDR.CONSULTING
IN-ADDR.DESIGN
IN-ADDR.TRAVEL
IN-ADDR.MEDIA
IN-ADDR.NEWS
IN-ADDR.DIRECT
IN-ADDR.MAIL
IN-ADDR.WORLD
IN-ADDR.MAG
IN-ADDR.AUCTION
IN-ADDR.FREE
IN-ADDR.CAM
IN-ADDR.SERVICE
IN-ADDR.SHOP
IN-ADDR.MP3
IN-ADDR.INC
IN-ADDR.KIDS
IN-ADDR.SPORT
IN-ADDR.FAMILY
IN-ADDR.CHAT
IN-ADDR.VIDEO
IN-ADDR.CLUB
IN-ADDR.HOLA
IN-ADDR.SOC
IN-ADDR.MED
IN-ADDR.LAW
IN-ADDR.TRAVEL
IN-ADDR.GAME
IN-ADDR.FREE
IN-ADDR.LTD
IN-ADDR.GMBH
IN-ADDR.TECH
IN-ADDR.XXX
IN-ADDR.FIRM
IN-ADDR.STORE
IN-ADDR.WEB
IN-ADDR.ARTS
IN-ADDR.REC
IN-ADDR.INFO
IN-ADDR.NOM
IN-ADDR.AERO
IN-ADDR.BIZ
IN-ADDR.COOP
IN-ADDR.INFO
IN-ADDR.MUSEUM
IN-ADDR.NAME
IN-ADDR.PRO
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:39:58 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ASO + PSO = TSO  Technical Supporting Organisation

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 01:57:25 +1000, Patrick Corliss wrote:

Hi Joanna

On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:18:32 -0400, Joanna Lane wrote:
> The argument to that is that there is a fundamental conflict of interest
> for the ccTLDSO to represent both themselves and their client. If the
> ccTLDs represent 244 countries and each has 1 vote on an issue, how
> many votes do registrants have? The balance of power has to be created
> by a separate SO for registrants, so that the ccTLDSO vote and the
> RegistrantSO is commensurate, one vote each. I would like to hear from
> the ccTLDs on this issue.

I much prefer a three-way split between supply, demand and technical
infrastructure (such as ISPs and telcos).  That's natural and works pretty
well in Australia.

On the "supply" side you have Registries, joint Registry-Registrars,
Registrars and Registration Service Providers (such as OpenSRS reselleres).
On the "demand" side you have business, non-commercial and individuals.

In my case I am a domain name owner with domains in both gTLDs and
ccTLDs.  I cannot see that I need to have two voices to reflect my two
different views.  However, at the moment, the balance of power is strongly
tilted towards supply.  This needs to be redressed.

The problem is seen both in the current SOs where the DNSO plays a
subordinate role and in the 7 categories of constituencies included in the
constituency setup.  In fact the whole structure makes very little sense
from a purely logical viewpoint.

Why could we not combine the Address Supporting Organisation and the
Protocol Supporting Organisation into a single Technical Supporting
Organisation ("TSO")?  There is no reason for ISPs and connectivity
providers to be even a constituency in the DNSO as they are more properly
positioned in the TSO.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:59:20 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] What are the "Best-of-Breed" TLDs ?

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Williams" <[email-masked]>
> 
>   Very true.  In fact, New.net is not the "Best of Bread" of Competitive
> and Inclusive Root and registry structures, not to mention neither is
> SRS or RRp respective to registration systems and Registry DB's

- -------

In your opinion....

What are the "Best-of-Breed" TLDs ?

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12215.html

Note: It might be best to stick with TLDs that "exist", as opposed
to those people have been talking about for 5 or more years. How
can one compare the operations, stability, etc. of something that
works, with something on paper ? Also, many of the so-called
ccTLDs could be "Best-of-Breed" and should not be left out.
Some of them clearly do not want the stigma of being a ccTLD.

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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:17:11 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2782bis-01.txt

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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
directories.
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> Title : A DNS RR for specifying the location of services (DNS SRV)
> Author(s) : A. Gulbrandsen, P. Vixie, L. Esibov
> Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2782bis-01.txt
> Pages : 12
> Date : 14-Jun-01
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> This document describes a DNS RR which specifies the location of the
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:20:40 -0500
From: "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Fw: So - when's the info landrush?

I prefer to deal with operational TLDs....
http://root-dns.org

It is my impression that "pre-registrations" make no sense.
Many people went through that a few years ago, and ended up with nothing.
http://www.icann.org/announcements/
November 16, 2000 Consumer Alert from US Federal Trade Commission: "Domain
Name Registration Scams"
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/domainalrt.htm

Jim Fleming
http://www.DOT-BIZ.com
BIZ World

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Baraniuk" <[email-masked]>
To: "Dave Warren" <[email-masked]>; "Kirk Fletcher"
<[email-masked]>; "Jim Fleming" <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: So - when's the info landrush?

> Just to comment on the initial question of regarding the commencement of
> landrush...
> I will wait until we receive official word from the registries before I
> comment on the revised timelines.  Then I can provide some updated
guidance
> to the list, and in addition to that update our information on the opensrs
> site.
> With the proposed extension of the sunrise pre-registration period from
June
> 25 (start) to a mid July (start) then I think it is an excellent
opportunity
> for a lot of resellers to offer the sunrise pre-reg to trademark holders.
> While I realize that everyone is interested in the Landrush pre-reg, I
think
> that some consideration should be paid to the Sunrise pre-reg it provides
a
> great way to lock up some customers for a longer period of time -  the 5
> year minimum registration period means a longer period for recogizing
> revenue.
> Anyways...just something to think about; I realize that it might not
appeal
> to everyone, but the availability of accepting Sunrise pre-regs via both
the
> RCL and RWI make it much easier.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked]
> [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Dave Warren
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:01 AM
> To: Kirk Fletcher; Jim Fleming; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: So - when's the info landrush?
>
>
>
>
> > OK, I know this list isn't the place for it - but someone's gotta
> > say it.... that webpage truly sux.  Is the auto-maximising window
> > and numerous popups supposed to increase business for you?
>
> And background music.  I was waiting for a Geocities watermark at the
> bottom.
>
> Sorry Jim, nothing personal.
>
>
> ========================================================
> Dave Warren,
>  Email:  [email-masked]
>  Priority: [email-masked]
> ========================================================
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:29:41 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Also - Re: DNSO GA Chair Employed by Register.com?

At 7:17 am -0700 6/15/01, Derek Conant wrote:
>I need to mention that Danny did indicate to me that his baby bow business
>was an online business, however, he emphasized to me that this was the
>extent of his association with any Internet business.  Danny should have
>mentioned to me that he was employed by Register.com.

While I don't have a problem with a GA official having an association with
SOME Registrars, I DO have a problem if they are involved with
Register.com, as it is a domain warehouser, and actively attempts to
prevent the transfer of names away from itself.

I have a client who wishes to obtain a name that expired in February and is
now registered to:

   Organization:
      register.com
      Unpaid Names Department-R
      575 Eighth Avenue
      New York, NY 10018
      US
      Phone: 212-798-9200
      Fax..: 212-594-9876
      Email: [email-masked]

All attempts to find out from register.com exactly how to register this
expired name have been fruitless. No doubt, it would involve having to
register the name through register.com for two years.

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barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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