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GA-DIGEST           Thursday, June 14 2001           Volume 01 : Number 535

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:44:31 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [icann-announce]  ICANN Montevideo Meeting (7-10 September  2001); DNSO Whois Survey

At 04:42 13/06/01 -0700, Derek Conant wrote:
>ICANN just amazes me.  Who picked Uruguay?  Why Uruguay instead of some more
>predictable or more stable country?  Like Brazil or somewhere else in South
>America?  Maybe things have changed in Uruguay?  Maybe not?  I'll have
>friends at the CIA before considering attending this ICANN meeting.  Maybe
>I'll go to Sydney instead.

Derek,

I'm sure Rio or Buenas Aires, or even Auckland, New Zealand <g> or 
Amsterdam <vbg> will get their turn.
With 4 meetings a year  and no end in sight ...

- --Joop--
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Former bootstrap of the IDNO (www.idno.org)
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:56:55 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Thanks for support - Re: [ga] GA Chair and Co-Chair - Re: NC  representatives appear non-effective -  Re: [ga] DNSO GA  RESTRUCTURING

Thank you for your support regarding the GA Directorship suggestion.

The reason I suggested the 2 month term limits for GA Directors may be
apparent.  I will be clearer with my reasoning herewith.  In the interim, the 2
month term limits allow for GA members to review the GA Directors' performance.
It may be that the GA Directors are not replaced.  However, it may be necessary
to replace some or all of the Directors.  1 week out of 2 months should not be
demanding upon the GA group and we should be flexible enough to accommodate
this.  The review process also allows the GA to be in the practice of being
flexible, efficient and effective at forming resolutions and positions.

The GA Chair and Co-Chair may be on for 6 or 12 months.  However, a majority
decision by Directors may allow for replacing the GA Chair and Co-Chair before
their 6 or 12 month terms expire.  This mechanism will maintain trust and
accountability, and maintain the integrity of the system as the GA grows and
evolves.  Later this may all change as the GA matures.

We need to move forward.

I will be a Director if am supported by GA active participants.  Who else will
be a Director if they are supported by GA active participants?

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

"Gendron, Michael (MIS)" wrote:

> Derek and all:
>
> I have to agree with Derek's assessment that we need more structure, and I
> think that his idea of a directorship makes a lot of sense.  Unless the
> chair has a defined group to direct he/she is at a loss. I disagree with a 2
> month term as that is too short to get anything substantial done - perhaps 6
> or 12 month makes more sense.
>
> I met Mr. Younger for the first time in Stockholm.  I was impressed by his
> drive, motivation and sincerity.  Lets support him.  I am confused by those
> that expect him to constantly post to the list.  There is a lesson to be
> learned here - fewer more meaningful posts that are concise are what we need
> - not lengthy posts that allow one to rant.  I teach my students that email
> should short and direct.
>
> Michael Gendron.. Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> School of Business
> CCSU
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:   Derek Conant [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent:   Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:26 AM
> To:     William X. Walsh
> Cc:     [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject:        [ga] GA Chair and Co-Chair - Re: NC representatives appear
> non-effective -  Re: [ga] DNSO GA  RESTRUCTURING
>
> I would like to believe that Mr. Younger is sitting back clearing his head
> while monitoring the GA process.  I met him and I think he is a good guy
> with good intentions and he wants the GA to succeed.  I cannot spend all
> of my time doing this or I would go crazy (you can see the crazy ones out
> there) and be in the poor house.  Remember that most people participating
> in this process are doing it for free and with money their own money.
> Time is money.
>
> I disagree that the GA Chair can handle all of this and you may have
> missed my point regarding the necessity of the 7 other representative or
> GA Directors.  This discussion is not about 7 people telling us what we
> need to talk about and to
> do Mr. Younger's job.
>
> The GA directorships will give the GA a solid showing and they may provide
> the necessary motivation for interested parties to more effectively
> coordinate.  Coordination is what this GA is lacking, not leadership.  I
> believe there is only so much the Chair can do here for free and with what
> little coordination the Chair has to work with.
>
> The Chair and Co-Chair in this case cannot just snap their fingers and
> demand order and productivity.  Therefore, the GA directorship provides a
> stable platform to maintain the momentum of the GA and its ability to
> produce valid positions from the constructive information they are charged
> to review from GA members.  This saves the GA from people who seem to drop
> out because they need a break and maintains order and direction.  And,
> this saves the GA from distraction.
>
> If we sit around chewing on Mr. Younger's ass were not going to get
> anything accomplished.  A GA directorship will cause more order and
> productivity here than anything else the GA has produced thus far.
>
> We need to move forward.  Instead of canning Mr. Younger right now, I
> suggest that we move forward by nominating 7 GA Directors to take the helm
> together with the GA Chair and Co-Chair.  Let the GA Directors decide if
> the GA Chair and/or Co-Chair need to step down through some GA motion to
> the NC.  I suggest again that this is not for us individuals to decide
> because we are not organized, qualified nor anointed with such powers.  We
> should leave those GA position decisions to a stable GA Directorship is
> what I'm saying here.
>
> I am trying to be constructive rather than destructive here.  I am trying
> to move this thing forward.
>
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman
>
> "William X. Walsh" wrote:
>
> > Hello Derek,
> >
> > The problem is that Danny hasn't even made more than a token attempt
> > to guide discussion on this list.
> >
> > His post to the ga-org list showed promise that maybe he was actually
> > starting to understand how to do his job, but that hope quickly faded,
> > it seemed he pulled a hit and run.
> >
> > We do not need 7 people to tell us what we need to talk about and to
> > do Danny's job for him.
> >
> > What we need is for Danny to either step up to the plate and act like
> > a chair and to be an instrument of consensus, or to ask the Names
> > Council to accept his resignation and make way for the GA to select
> > someone who can fill that role.  Our chair should be guiding
> > discussion, prioritizing subjects of discussion and debate, and
> > helping us by pulling out the points where we agree and using them to
> > help bring us about to points of consensus on the subject.
> >
> > Jonathan Weinberg's leadership in NC Workgroup C on gTLDs is an
> > excellent example of how to do that, in what was probably the most
> > hotly contested issue in the DNSO to date.
> >
> > We need a chair who will lead us, not come in every few days and
> > preach more about dismantlement, and chastise people for not
> > accomplish anything when the real cause is his failure to be a
> > presence on this list that coordinates and works with us.
> >
> > And it doesn't take a lot of time to do that.  Again I hold Jonathan
> > up as an example of that.
> >
> > The co-chair should be stepping in and assisting him in doing that,
> > and helping him to be a stabilizing presence here and in helping bring
> > about consensus on the issues that need to be addressed (and that
> > means recognizing when his own agenda is not going to be adopted and
> > be willing to set it aside).
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > William X Walsh
> > mailto:[email-masked]
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:10:33 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reply to William Walsh

Hello Danny,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 3:32:07 AM, Danny Younger wrote:

> Hello William,

> Your incessant droning about what the Chairs should and should not be doing
> is becoming rather odious.  Patrick has politely asked you , "whether you
> see a place for working groups with the General Assembly?  Or do you see the
> whole thing as a single "chat room" as Eric has called it?"  Instead of
> giving him a direct answer you choose to pursue this unending litany.

There is no answer to that question, Danny, because it is predicated
on the assumption that those are the only two options.

I made that point quite clearly.  I do not believe that those are the
only two options.  With a proper leadership, there is a third option,
a productive GA list.

> If you are not willing to participate in a meaningful fashion, or to provide
> direct answers to direct questions when politely asked, perhaps it is time
> that you should consider resigning from this list.

Spare me, Danny. Until you step up and become the leader you should
be, I will be here, a thorn in your side.  The day you start to show
that you are becoming that leader, that day you will instead have my
undivided support, as you had my vote for this position.

I won't bother reporting your personal attack to the abuse team.

We've seem abundantly how they handle complaints about those in their
own ranks.

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:15:03 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Sorry

Danny,
I said I would not say anything about the DNSO/GA mamagement and you 
anymore. But I promised I would consider carefully your proposition.

Your suggestions are worth an open debate with votes. But today they are 
dividers. Should you reconsider your approach and:
1. propose a motion for the GA to review, amend, vote and adopt a motion of 
yours.
2. nominate people further on, to participate in possibly decided working 
stuctures,
I might be interested to consider.

If you need me to explain: what you propose would lead the most active 
Members of this list to compete with the NC and make the GA to lose 
credibility. IMHO the GA has not lost any reputation, it has shown itself 
mature enough to elect and asses its Chair, but it has not yet stabilized 
its chairing rules. The GA is by nature a think tank to motion propositions 
to the NC and fill the specialized WGs it may accept to create from GA 
Centers of Interest. The purpose of the GA is not to be the DNSO, as the 
nature of the Chair is not to embody the GA.

As you may recall, I have motioned a proposition on very precise and 
documented grounds for this GA to vote a drafting committee to prepare and 
send a document to the NC. It should have recommended the creation of a 
serious Working-Group on the iCANN doctrine and strategy about Name Space 
Management. This motion has been seconded and enought would-be Members of 
such a committee have stood-up. This motion should have been acknowledged, 
reviewed in comon and voted. A document should have been proposed to the 
GA's vote and sent to the NC. I suppose a WG-Name-Space would have been 
accepted.

I am sorry: this is both the way I read the bylaws and I consider a proper 
professional functionning of a Support Organization. You chose not to 
permit this normal functionning to go through and to artificially create an 
ML on such a side aspect of the problem (ga-roots) that eventually the NC 
voted it out its scope.

The situation we all are in today with foreign roots and the many lawsuits 
to come and iCANN embarassements could have been avoided if my proposition 
had simply gone through your surprising blockade.

I am sorry: I cannot give you my name as an alibi against my interests and 
the interests of many on this list and much more throughout the world - 
since this is what the DNSO purpose is about: the interest of the Internet 
Community. Let resume an e-democratic process before, or it would be in 
addition a total waste of time.

Jefsey Morfin

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:21:25 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Thanks for support 

Dear Derek,
I have real difficulties in understanding your positions. You said you had
offices/reps in France and I asked if you could give me your contact
there: I think I need a f2f talk to grap what your organization wants and
can bring to us all.
Jefsey

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:02:32 -0400
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reply to William Walsh

"William X. Walsh" wrote:

> Spare me, Danny. Until you step up and become the leader you should
> be, I will be here, a thorn in your side.  The day you start to show
> that you are becoming that leader, that day you will instead have my
> undivided support, as you had my vote for this position.

But, this is wonderful!  Excellent! William and Danny, I urge the two of you to
offer each other a hand and put this feud aside.  I know we can work together.
Willaim, I think Danny is trying hard to be what he promised us when he sought
election.  Though his manner might have been rather roundabout, I think he may be
on the right track.  I think that Danny will deliver, if we give him a chance.

Sincerely,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:18:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick Greenwell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [icann-announce]  ICANN Montevideo Meeting (7-10  September  2001); DNSO Whois Survey

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 04:42 13/06/01 -0700, Derek Conant wrote:
> >ICANN just amazes me.  Who picked Uruguay?  Why Uruguay instead of some more
> >predictable or more stable country?  Like Brazil or somewhere else in South
> >America?  Maybe things have changed in Uruguay?  Maybe not?  I'll have
> >friends at the CIA before considering attending this ICANN meeting.  Maybe
> >I'll go to Sydney instead.
>
> Derek,
>
> I'm sure Rio or Buenas Aires, or even Auckland, New Zealand <g> or
> Amsterdam <vbg> will get their turn.
> With 4 meetings a year  and no end in sight ...

Never fear, there is a near neverending supply of quality resort locations
throughout the world to choose from. :-)

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
                               Patrick Greenwell
                       Earth is a single point of failure.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:19:30 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Thanks for support

This is not about the DNSGA, it is about the DNSO GA. The DNSGA organization
currently is not offering anything more here than comments from me.  The DNSGA
has an office in Paris and I apologize for not getting back to you regarding
that.  I have been busy and I am in Kona HI following Stockholm.  The DNSGA is
not ready to move forward with its representation in France, however, it will
soon.  DNSGA representatives are patiently organizing and figuring out DNSGA
structure, agenda and positions.  What do you have to offer, or want to offer,
the DNSGA in Paris?  Further comments regarding this should be communicated
directly to me and not on the GA list.

Now, what don't you understand regarding my proposals for the GA?  The GA is
currently going no where here and I suggested forming GA Directors and Agenda
for this group to develop momentum for the GA to move forward.

Are you willing to be a GA Director?  If so great!  If not, why not?

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear Derek,
> I have real difficulties in understanding your positions. You said you had
> offices/reps in France and I asked if you could give me your contact
> there: I think I need a f2f talk to grap what your organization wants and
> can bring to us all.
> Jefsey

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:21:41 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [icann-announce]  ICANN Montevideo Meeting (7-10 September   2001); DNSO Whois Survey

Okay, if there is a Four Seasons Resort in Uruguay I may reconsider.

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

Patrick Greenwell wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> > At 04:42 13/06/01 -0700, Derek Conant wrote:
> > >ICANN just amazes me.  Who picked Uruguay?  Why Uruguay instead of some more
> > >predictable or more stable country?  Like Brazil or somewhere else in South
> > >America?  Maybe things have changed in Uruguay?  Maybe not?  I'll have
> > >friends at the CIA before considering attending this ICANN meeting.  Maybe
> > >I'll go to Sydney instead.
> >
> > Derek,
> >
> > I'm sure Rio or Buenas Aires, or even Auckland, New Zealand <g> or
> > Amsterdam <vbg> will get their turn.
> > With 4 meetings a year  and no end in sight ...
>
> Never fear, there is a near neverending supply of quality resort locations
> throughout the world to choose from. :-)
>
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>                                Patrick Greenwell
>                        Earth is a single point of failure.
> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:27:19 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Reply to William Walsh

This looks like chat to me.  Now that we are over this, let's move forward with
something more tangible here for the GA.

Are you willing to be a GA Director?  If so great!  If not, why not?

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> "William X. Walsh" wrote:
>
> > Spare me, Danny. Until you step up and become the leader you should
> > be, I will be here, a thorn in your side.  The day you start to show
> > that you are becoming that leader, that day you will instead have my
> > undivided support, as you had my vote for this position.
>
> But, this is wonderful!  Excellent! William and Danny, I urge the two of you to
> offer each other a hand and put this feud aside.  I know we can work together.
> Willaim, I think Danny is trying hard to be what he promised us when he sought
> election.  Though his manner might have been rather roundabout, I think he may be
> on the right track.  I think that Danny will deliver, if we give him a chance.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:59:03 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] Reply to William Walsh

Hello Derek,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 3:27:19 PM, Derek Conant wrote:

> This looks like chat to me.  Now that we are over this, let's move forward with
> something more tangible here for the GA.

> Are you willing to be a GA Director?  If so great!  If not, why not?

Because such a thing does not exist.

Let's dismiss all these wild ideas and get down to work.

Danny, are you going to lead us or what?

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:01:07 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Thanks for support

Hello Derek,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 3:19:30 PM, Derek Conant wrote:

> This is not about the DNSGA, it is about the DNSO GA. The DNSGA organization
> currently is not offering anything more here than comments from me.  The DNSGA
> has an office in Paris and I apologize for not getting back to you regarding
> that.  I have been busy and I am in Kona HI following Stockholm.  The DNSGA is
> not ready to move forward with its representation in France, however, it will
> soon.  DNSGA representatives are patiently organizing and figuring out DNSGA
> structure, agenda and positions.  What do you have to offer, or want to offer,
> the DNSGA in Paris?  Further comments regarding this should be communicated
> directly to me and not on the GA list.

Sounds rather like the ICIIU to me.....

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:29:19 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: WXW - Re: [ga] Re: Thanks for support

I am trying to assist in moving this GA process forward regardless of any opinion
concerning the DNSGA, of which is not at issue here.

Are you willing to be a GA Director?  If so great!  If not, why not?

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

"William X. Walsh" wrote:

> Hello Derek,
>
> Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 3:19:30 PM, Derek Conant wrote:
>
> > This is not about the DNSGA, it is about the DNSO GA. The DNSGA organization
> > currently is not offering anything more here than comments from me.  The DNSGA
> > has an office in Paris and I apologize for not getting back to you regarding
> > that.  I have been busy and I am in Kona HI following Stockholm.  The DNSGA is
> > not ready to move forward with its representation in France, however, it will
> > soon.  DNSGA representatives are patiently organizing and figuring out DNSGA
> > structure, agenda and positions.  What do you have to offer, or want to offer,
> > the DNSGA in Paris?  Further comments regarding this should be communicated
> > directly to me and not on the GA list.
>
> Sounds rather like the ICIIU to me.....
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:36:20 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: WXW GA Director - Re: [ga] Reply to William Walsh

Such a thing can exist if we put it into motion.  How can we get to work without a
stable representative body.  Anything less than a showing of coordination that
produces valid results is only chat session in the end is my point.

If the GA supports your being a GA Director would you accept the position for 2
months?  Why not take an active role in determining the GA's direction and positions
regarding subject matter?  This would be considered constructive for the GA.

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

"William X. Walsh" wrote:

> Hello Derek,
>
> Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 3:27:19 PM, Derek Conant wrote:
>
> > This looks like chat to me.  Now that we are over this, let's move forward with
> > something more tangible here for the GA.
>
> > Are you willing to be a GA Director?  If so great!  If not, why not?
>
> Because such a thing does not exist.
>
> Let's dismiss all these wild ideas and get down to work.
>
> Danny, are you going to lead us or what?
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:04:13 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Fw: [icann-announce]  ICANN Montevideo Meeting (7-10 September   2001); DNSO Whois Survey

Dear Mrs. Ida Holtz,
I want here to apologize on behalf of this DNSO/GA for this mail. We here 
certainly look for a productive iCANN meeting in your place in Septembre 
(even if I carry no more illusions about the capacity of the iCANN to be 
productive :-)  ). I long for decades to visit your country, I hope I can 
make it and meet with all the SeCIU team.  I hope Mr. D. Connant will stop 
in Montevideo on his way to Syndey so he may learn from the art. 3rd of 
your Constitution what could be of real benefit to the Internet and from 
art. 165 what might be of benefit to this GA. :-) .
Our real pleasure to be your guests.
Jefsey Morfin

On 00:21 14/06/01, Derek Conant said:
>Okay, if there is a Four Seasons Resort in Uruguay I may reconsider.
>
>Derek Conant
>DNSGA President and Chairman
>
>Patrick Greenwell wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >
> > > At 04:42 13/06/01 -0700, Derek Conant wrote:
> > > >ICANN just amazes me.  Who picked Uruguay?  Why Uruguay instead of 
> some more
> > > >predictable or more stable country?  Like Brazil or somewhere else 
> in South
> > > >America?  Maybe things have changed in Uruguay?  Maybe not?  I'll have
> > > >friends at the CIA before considering attending this ICANN 
> meeting.  Maybe
> > > >I'll go to Sydney instead.
> > >
> > > Derek,
> > >
> > > I'm sure Rio or Buenas Aires, or even Auckland, New Zealand <g> or
> > > Amsterdam <vbg> will get their turn.
> > > With 4 meetings a year  and no end in sight ...
> >
> > Never fear, there is a near neverending supply of quality resort locations
> > throughout the world to choose from. :-)
> >
> > 
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> >                                Patrick Greenwell
> >                        Earth is a single point of failure.
> > 
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:38:24 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Thanks for support

This whole dnsga/dnso ga bit is getting everyone confused.  Actual
confusion is the best proof of likelihood of confusion in trademark
(and, of course, service mark) law.  If ICANN legal staff are not
drafting a "cease and desist" letter to this dnsga.org upstart they ought
to be.

Bill Lovell

Derek Conant wrote:

> This is not about the DNSGA, it is about the DNSO GA. The DNSGA organization
> currently is not offering anything more here than comments from me.  The DNSGA
> has an office in Paris and I apologize for not getting back to you regarding
> that.  I have been busy and I am in Kona HI following Stockholm.  The DNSGA is
> not ready to move forward with its representation in France, however, it will
> soon.  DNSGA representatives are patiently organizing and figuring out DNSGA
> structure, agenda and positions.  What do you have to offer, or want to offer,
> the DNSGA in Paris?  Further comments regarding this should be communicated
> directly to me and not on the GA list.
>
> Now, what don't you understand regarding my proposals for the GA?  The GA is
> currently going no where here and I suggested forming GA Directors and Agenda
> for this group to develop momentum for the GA to move forward.
>
> Are you willing to be a GA Director?  If so great!  If not, why not?
>
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman
>
> Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>
> > Dear Derek,
> > I have real difficulties in understanding your positions. You said you had
> > offices/reps in France and I asked if you could give me your contact
> > there: I think I need a f2f talk to grap what your organization wants and
> > can bring to us all.
> > Jefsey
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:29:53 +0200
From: "Herbert Vitzthum" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] MIME-Version: 1.0

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:56:39 -0700
From: Derek Conant <[email-masked]>
Subject: Bill Lovell - Re: [ga] Re: Thanks for support

Actually, the DNSGA is legitimate and filed with the United States Patent and
Trademark Office (USPTO) as follows:

IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: ASSOCIATION SERVICES-NAMELY, PROMOTING THE INTERESTS OF
INDIVIDUALS AND ENTITIES FOR BETTER STABILITY AND MANAGEMENT OF THE INTERNET. FIRST
USE: 20000801. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20000801

ICANN is wholly aware of the DNSGA.  The DNSGA / DNSO GA as you put it is not
confusing.  ICANN cannot make any valid claims against the DNSGA for its use of the
term "DNSGA."  You appear to be the only one confused here regarding DNSGA / DNSO
GA.  Everyone here knows that when I mention the GA in this forum I am describing
the DNSO GA.

Let's move forward.

If the DNSO GA supports your being a DNSO GA Director would you accept the position
for 2 months?  Why not take an active role in determining the GA's direction and
positions regarding subject matter?  This would be considered constructive for the
GA and will not take much of your time.

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

"William S. Lovell" wrote:

> This whole dnsga/dnso ga bit is getting everyone confused.  Actual
> confusion is the best proof of likelihood of confusion in trademark
> (and, of course, service mark) law.  If ICANN legal staff are not
> drafting a "cease and desist" letter to this dnsga.org upstart they ought
> to be.
>
> Bill Lovell
>
> Derek Conant wrote:
>
> > This is not about the DNSGA, it is about the DNSO GA. The DNSGA organization
> > currently is not offering anything more here than comments from me.  The DNSGA
> > has an office in Paris and I apologize for not getting back to you regarding
> > that.  I have been busy and I am in Kona HI following Stockholm.  The DNSGA is
> > not ready to move forward with its representation in France, however, it will
> > soon.  DNSGA representatives are patiently organizing and figuring out DNSGA
> > structure, agenda and positions.  What do you have to offer, or want to offer,
> > the DNSGA in Paris?  Further comments regarding this should be communicated
> > directly to me and not on the GA list.
> >
> > Now, what don't you understand regarding my proposals for the GA?  The GA is
> > currently going no where here and I suggested forming GA Directors and Agenda
> > for this group to develop momentum for the GA to move forward.
> >
> > Are you willing to be a GA Director?  If so great!  If not, why not?
> >
> > Derek Conant
> > DNSGA President and Chairman
> >
> > Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Derek,
> > > I have real difficulties in understanding your positions. You said you had
> > > offices/reps in France and I asked if you could give me your contact
> > > there: I think I need a f2f talk to grap what your organization wants and
> > > can bring to us all.
> > > Jefsey
> >
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