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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:34:39 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  Austerity Measures

Thanks much, Danny. I figured you'd come back with something
like this. So here's plan B:

It seems to be shown that domain name issues are handled by the
Board not in the public interest but rather at the behest of the special
interest groups to which you refer.  As to us "publicans," no funds
are budgeted for an annual election, the purported Domain Name
Supporting Organization, "advisory" to the Board, likewise
receives no funding and will be selling pencils on street corners
even to get someone to Stockholm. The Board allows a resolution
on the issue, but the NC then (so far as I've been able to find out)
just sits on it.  Seems to me the time has come for some California
resident (which I am not) to fire off to the California Attorney
General the evidence of this, such as that you have just layed out,
and request that suit be filed by the AG against ICANN on the
grounds that it is not acting properly under the law by which it was
formed. Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) at the outset;
Injunction to come later; and finally a Court Order naming ICANN
and its Officers and Directors directing them how ICANN must
conduct itself or else lose its ticket to the parade.

Bill Lovell

"babybows.com" wrote:

> Bill,
>
> The Names Council adopted the Report of its Budget Committee
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-budget/Arc00/msg00318.html relevant
> citation below:
>
> >From the date that invoices are mailed/e-mailed to representatives of
> Constituencies, if payment is not received by the DNSO or its agent by:
>
> ** 30 days, the Constituency is sent a reminder letter and another invoice
>
> ** 60 days, the Constituency is sent a delinquency notice and the
> delinquency notice is posted on the DNSO Website
>
> ** 90 days, the Constituency is sent a "show cause notice" (in which they
> are asked to show cause as to why their voting rights in the Names Council
> should not be suspended) and they are charged a 5% late payment fee to cover
> the cost to the DNSO of the cost of money.  The 5% penalty is added to that
> Constituency's dues for the next (not the current) DNSO budget year.
>
> ** 120 days, the Constituency is sent a "final notice to pay" and charged an
> additional 5% late payment fee, which is also due as a added payment for
> their next year's DNSO dues
>
> ** 180 days, the voting rights, but not the right to participate, of that
> Constituency's representatives to the Names Council are suspended until such
> time as the DNSO or its agent receives all past due amounts including the
> varies late payment fees.
> -----------------------------------
>
> As the DNSO is an internal committee of ICANN that the Board has chosen not
> to fund, it becomes necessary for the DNSO to pay for its own costs from
> funds put forth by the special interests that participate as voting members
> on the NC.  Some constituencies do not appear to have the ability to meet
> this funding obligation... I believe that the Non-Commercial must raise
> $29,000 within the next half year or they will forfeit their right to vote
> (one of their representatives can probably give you the exact amount).
>
> This funding requirement not only threatens several existing constituencies,
> but it also poses a barrier to entry for new constituencies.  If we ever
> succeed in obtaining an Individual's Constituency, there is every likelihood
> that this constituency might not be able to meet the funding obligation and
> thereby join the ranks of other constituencies without the right to vote.
>
> This ultimately means that domain name policy issues will be voted upon by a
> group that is not reasonably representative of the whole of the Internet
> community.
>
> We should be asking, why is the work of this internal committee (the DNSO)
> not funded by ICANN, while other committees are funded.  Why is ICANN
> spending $450,000 on a committee to study how to kill off the at-Large, and
> not one penny for a committee that is charged with determining community
> consensus on domain name policy issues?  I guess it's more important that
> Board-squatting Directors retain their seats, than that we should be doing
> our work on behalf of the ICANN Board in an efficient and representative
> manner.
>
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:49:52 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re:  Austerity Measures

Okay Bill,

Package it up, ready to go, and I'll send it off. However, be aware that the
AG has a lot on his plate wrt the energy issues out here. With selective
prosecution and more vocal lobbys from the energy folks, the chances of this
getting air-play are exactly two ... 1) slim and 2) none.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William S. Lovell [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:35 PM
> To: babybows.com
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Austerity Measures
> 
> 
> Thanks much, Danny. I figured you'd come back with something
> like this. So here's plan B:
> 
> It seems to be shown that domain name issues are handled by the
> Board not in the public interest but rather at the behest of 
> the special
> interest groups to which you refer.  As to us "publicans," no funds
> are budgeted for an annual election, the purported Domain Name
> Supporting Organization, "advisory" to the Board, likewise
> receives no funding and will be selling pencils on street corners
> even to get someone to Stockholm. The Board allows a resolution
> on the issue, but the NC then (so far as I've been able to find out)
> just sits on it.  Seems to me the time has come for some California
> resident (which I am not) to fire off to the California Attorney
> General the evidence of this, such as that you have just layed out,
> and request that suit be filed by the AG against ICANN on the
> grounds that it is not acting properly under the law by which it was
> formed. Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) at the outset;
> Injunction to come later; and finally a Court Order naming ICANN
> and its Officers and Directors directing them how ICANN must
> conduct itself or else lose its ticket to the parade.
> 
> Bill Lovell
> 
> "babybows.com" wrote:
> 
> > Bill,
> >
> > The Names Council adopted the Report of its Budget Committee
> > 
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-budget/Arc00/msg00318.html relevant
> > citation below:
> >
> > >From the date that invoices are mailed/e-mailed to 
> representatives of
> > Constituencies, if payment is not received by the DNSO or 
> its agent by:
> >
> > ** 30 days, the Constituency is sent a reminder letter and 
> another invoice
> >
> > ** 60 days, the Constituency is sent a delinquency notice and the
> > delinquency notice is posted on the DNSO Website
> >
> > ** 90 days, the Constituency is sent a "show cause notice" 
> (in which they
> > are asked to show cause as to why their voting rights in 
> the Names Council
> > should not be suspended) and they are charged a 5% late 
> payment fee to cover
> > the cost to the DNSO of the cost of money.  The 5% penalty 
> is added to that
> > Constituency's dues for the next (not the current) DNSO budget year.
> >
> > ** 120 days, the Constituency is sent a "final notice to 
> pay" and charged an
> > additional 5% late payment fee, which is also due as a 
> added payment for
> > their next year's DNSO dues
> >
> > ** 180 days, the voting rights, but not the right to 
> participate, of that
> > Constituency's representatives to the Names Council are 
> suspended until such
> > time as the DNSO or its agent receives all past due amounts 
> including the
> > varies late payment fees.
> > -----------------------------------
> >
> > As the DNSO is an internal committee of ICANN that the 
> Board has chosen not
> > to fund, it becomes necessary for the DNSO to pay for its 
> own costs from
> > funds put forth by the special interests that participate 
> as voting members
> > on the NC.  Some constituencies do not appear to have the 
> ability to meet
> > this funding obligation... I believe that the 
> Non-Commercial must raise
> > $29,000 within the next half year or they will forfeit 
> their right to vote
> > (one of their representatives can probably give you the 
> exact amount).
> >
> > This funding requirement not only threatens several 
> existing constituencies,
> > but it also poses a barrier to entry for new 
> constituencies.  If we ever
> > succeed in obtaining an Individual's Constituency, there is 
> every likelihood
> > that this constituency might not be able to meet the 
> funding obligation and
> > thereby join the ranks of other constituencies without the 
> right to vote.
> >
> > This ultimately means that domain name policy issues will 
> be voted upon by a
> > group that is not reasonably representative of the whole of 
> the Internet
> > community.
> >
> > We should be asking, why is the work of this internal 
> committee (the DNSO)
> > not funded by ICANN, while other committees are funded.  
> Why is ICANN
> > spending $450,000 on a committee to study how to kill off 
> the at-Large, and
> > not one penny for a committee that is charged with 
> determining community
> > consensus on domain name policy issues?  I guess it's more 
> important that
> > Board-squatting Directors retain their seats, than that we 
> should be doing
> > our work on behalf of the ICANN Board in an efficient and 
> representative
> > manner.
> >
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:27:01 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] There's Something Funny Going On Here

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:14:00 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  Travel to Stockholm

Like I said, go to the California Attorney General and ask him to file
suit.  Roelend Meyers has said he would sign and mail such a letter.
I've cranked up my copy machine, and will print relevant emails (such
as this one of Danny's, and (I hope) include a floppy with those also,
and the relevant URLs for online sources listed as well. Maybe the
Board will decide to fund its life blood then. Nothing else seems to
work.

Bill Lovell

"babybows.com" wrote:

> The 2001-2002 Proposed Budget sets aside for Board & Public Meetings
> $450,000; for Other Travel & Meetings it sets aside $425,000.  Altogether
> that amounts to $875,000 for meetings and travel expenses.  There is, of
> course, no funding set aside for the DNSO.
>
> Patrick needs less than one-quarter of one percent of that amount to be able
> to travel to Stockholm.  Our ICANN president has denied his petition for
> funding, calling it "a matter to be pursued through process, ultimately
> requiring Board approval."
>
> This would be a good time to initiate that process.  Perhaps those of you
> more sage than I can advise how one begins a process to have DNSO activities
> funded by the Board?
>
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:16:26 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Intense individual constituency activity

Take a look at http://www.icann.org/dnso/additionalpage.htm.
Last updated June 1999.

Bill Lovell

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:29:34 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Evidence

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Anyone who is aware of official ICANN documents
that demonstrate an alleged failure of ICANN to act
for the "public benefit," as it seems California law
requires, is welcome to send me relevant URLs, etc.
Nothing of the "now I think," "I'm against," "I'm for,"
etc. variety, but rather actual evidence of what has
been done, and any explanations from on up in the
ICANN hierarchy as to why this or that was or was
not and/or will not be done.

Bill Lovell

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<br>that demonstrate an alleged failure of ICANN to act
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<br>Nothing of the "now I think," "I'm against," "I'm for,"
<br>etc. variety, but rather <i>actual evidence</i> of what has
<br>been done, and any explanations from on up in the
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:12:32 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] [GA] Gigalaw poll on "domain names not sanctioned by ICANN"

 The question was "What do you think of domain names not sanctioned by
ICANN?"

56.4% say they "threaten the stability of the Internet."

43.59% say they "foster healthy competition."

Results are at
http://www.gigalaw.com/phpapps/polls/gigalawpollresults.php3?pollID=17

The question "What do you think of ICANN sanctioning domain names that
are already
in use so as to create 'collisions?'" was not asked.

A search for "ICANN" at http://www.GigaLaw.com/ yields lots of
interesting stuff.

Bill Lovell

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:15:08 -0400
From: "babybows.com" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] gTLD Constituency membership procedures

As members of both the Sponsored and Unsponsored Registries have been
participating with ICANN for some time in the Budget Group advising our
ICANN president, how long must we wait before they are finally seated as
members of the gTLD constituency?  When these new registries join the gTLD,
will Verisign relinquish its seat on the Names Council in favor of these
newcomers?

The gTLD website indicates that, "It is anticipated that, as new gTLDs are
added, new registries will become members of the constituency. When that
happens, membership procedures will be developed and added to this site."

I haven't noticed any membership procedures being added to the site as yet.

According to comments in the Names Council teleconference, "M. Mueller asked
if it was correct that the gTLD procedures allow for NC members allocation
to be a function of domain name registrations thus ensuring for the
immediate future, a seat to VeriSign.   R. Cochetti declined to comment."
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc05/msg00310.html

Is anyone yet prepared to comment on this subject?

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:35:18 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Intense individual constituency activity

At 18:16 15/05/01 -0700, William S. Lovell wrote:
>Take a look at http://www.icann.org/dnso/additionalpage.htm.
>Last updated June 1999.
>

Bill, it is only thanks to great persistence on our part that we appear on
the ICANN website at all. Your subject line is misleading and a tad unfair.

- --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--  
the Cyberspace Association and 
the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
Elected representative.
http://www.idno.org  

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:46:12 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] VeriSign May Ditch Domain Deal

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By Aaron Pressman
May 15 2001 04:57 PM PDT

The Commerce Department's review of the agreement that extends the computer
security firm's control of the '.com' domain has the company thinking twice,
sources say.

MORE at:

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:45:03 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Joop's motions

HUGE!

On 20:25 15/05/01, Patrick Corliss said:
>Hi Roeland
> > Other SOs and the @Large are out of scope for the DNSO.
>
>Are you saying that the only policy issues within the scope of the DNSO are
>those relating to "domain names"?  I'm not sure I understand you here?
>What exactly is the "scope of the DNSO"?  Where is this defined?

This guy has been elected as alt-Chair of the DNSO/GA......

He probably confused it with the General Administration department of the 
Disney New Show Organization?
Explains a lot :-)

Jefsey

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:45:26 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Hi! Folks,
I am afraid there is a misunderstanding of a certain magnitude here.

I documented from experience in a previous mail the charges that Elisabeth 
and AFNIC incurred: I see that no one commented on it, while everyone 
continued talking wrong about technical management of an ML instead of the 
secretariat of an ML., and cost reduction while the issue is donation 
saturation.

Please refer to the figures given by Jonathan: you are talking about 
reducing costs on something you get for free. The problem is not Elisabeth 
$$ budget, but minutes budget. As anyone Elisabeth has a 100.000 minutes a 
year budget to manage. She sees with Philip how she may use them according 
to iCANN/DNSO management style.

You may discuss that style and propose a better organization: this is what 
WG-Review did and should continue doing and was opposed by people having 
set-up that style for their own benefit.
But discussing monies and costs is absurd.

Given the management style of a DNSO/ML Elisabeth cannot manage the 
requested number of MLs within the ML dedicated part of her 100.000 minutes 
a year. Period.

This is why I motioned that the "WG-Inclusive Name Space Management Center 
of Interest to prepare a documented demand to the NC" be on private ML and 
site. This is why not having acknowledged that seconded motion, having 
created the ga-root ML (and the others) and made us spend all that time on 
DNSO/GA/MLs discussion on his ML without proper information has probably 
cost the NC $ 2000 out of its $ 60.000 given by the AFNIC, and disturbed 
the Stockholm meeting preparation.

Jefsey

On 18:30 15/05/01, Jonathan Weinberg said:
>At 11:13 AM 5/15/2001 -0400, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
>>I think the clear consensus is to outsource the mailing list management
>>function to a more efficient provider.
>>
>>On Tue, 15 May 2001, Philip Sheppard wrote:
>>
>> > If it is not the will of the ga to reduce administrative time/costs by
>> > removal of the most under-utilised list, is it possible to consider any
>> > other of the ga's 9 lists ?
>> > Philip
>
>
>         My understanding is that the NC is indeed planning on 
> entertaining bids to outsource the *entire* secretariat function to a new 
> provider; Erica has announced plans to hire an outside consultant to 
> write an RFP, and to rank respondents against the RFP's selection 
> criteria.  It's hard to figure out how much of AFNIC's charges for the 
> secretariat function can be attributed to mailing lists alone; FWIW, here 
> is a copy of the secretariat expenditures and services for 2000 (from 
> <http://www.dnso.org/secretariat/2000.AFNIC-DNSO.html>).  It seems sort 
> of odd that, in looking for places in this budget to save money, one 
> would pounce first on existing GA mailing lists.
>
>>AFNIC expenditures for the DNSO services for FY 2000
>>
>>AFNIC has been following the overall budget expenses as voted by the 
>>Names Council during its March meeting.
>>
>>     EXPENDITURES
>>   1
>>     Personnel
>>                                                             34 000
>>     Webmaster (engineer part time)
>>                                                    24 000
>>     Technical support (part time)
>>                                                     6 000
>>     Temporary staff, help for 2 months of voting for ICANN
>>     Board
>>                                                     4 000
>>     Secretariat (part time, consultant, real cost USD 60 000)
>>                                                   (offered)
>>   2
>>     Offices and Equipment
>>                                                              2 000
>>     Office rental and office running (real cost for 70 sq meters
>>     is USD 25 000, AFNIC rented offices for his own staff in
>>     central Paris to keep place available for DNSO service)
>>                                                   (offered)
>>     PC desktop equipment purchase, software and hardware
>>                                                     2 000
>>   3
>>     Security, backup, connectivity
>>                                                             13 000
>>     Hosting dnso.org server in secure building, supervision,
>>     local and remote backups
>>                                                     5 000
>>     Connectivity to the Internet (real cost for 2 Mb/s is USD
>>     25 000, supported by Renater)
>>                                                     8 000
>>   4
>>     External professional services
>>                                                              3 000
>>     Legal advice
>>                                                     3 000
>>   5
>>     Telephone
>>                                                              1 800
>>     Dial up from home (USD 90 per month)
>>                                                     1 080
>>     Business running (USD 60 per month)
>>                                                       720
>>   6
>>     Secretariat Teleconferences (NC and committees)
>>                                                                600
>>     from office/home (USD 30 per telecon)
>>                                                       360
>>     when on travels (USD 120 per telecon)
>>                                                       240
>>   7
>>     Travels to ICANN meetings
>>                                                              5 000
>>     (Cairo NC+GA, Yokohama NC+GA, Marina del Rey
>>     GA: real cost USD 12 220)
>>                                                     5 000
>>     Total Expenditure, Capital Equipment
>>                                                             59 400
>>
>>
>>The services provided to the DNSO includes:
>>
>>Service to the NC
>>
>>      agendas/summaries/communication in between meetings
>>      NC membership maintenance (addresses, phones any other means for 
>> contact)
>>      NC e-mail list (maintaining, archiving, publishing)
>>      design and implementation of the NC voting system
>>      NC annual selection to the ICANN Board
>>
>>Service to the GA
>>
>>      maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists (in various 
>> formats)
>>      publishing GA documents on the dnso.org website
>>      creating and maintaining the DNSO GA membership database (including 
>> constituencies members; necessary to have the DNSO votes)
>>      adapting the NC voting system to the DNSO GA voting system
>>      attending and reporting to GA meetings
>>      day to day work with GA Chairs
>>
>>Service to the Working Groups and Committees
>>
>>      maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists
>>      publishing Working Groups documents
>>      setting up lists for comments
>>
>>General service for the DNSO
>>
>>      dnso.org web site concept and design
>>      dnso.org web site maintenance, with appropriate links to items of 
>> interests to the DNSO
>>      developping scripts and publishing statistics
>>      help desk, round clock service by email or telephone; FAQs
>>      hiring and training temporary staff to execute their responsibilities
>>      search for independent offices
>>      search of sponsors for offices and services
>>      work with ICANN staff, receiving ICANN staff and President
>>      receiving European ICANN Board members
>>      conducting communication with European ICANN partners attending 
>> Brussels meetings, WIPO, GAC
>>      conducting communication and liaison with Constituencies secretariats
>>      publicizing and promoting documents, contact with press
>>
>>Buildings, hardware, software, administrative work
>>
>>      Office rental, office running
>>      Computers and printers for the staff
>>      Telephone lines and fax
>>      Connectivity to the Internet
>>      Offices security service
>>      Network and operating systems security service
>>      Backup service, with the dnso.org mirroring on a distant site
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:22:23 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] VeriSign May Ditch Domain Deal

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""The major sticking point arose from a letter that the Justice Department
sent to the Department of Commerce warning that the deal would harm
competition in the nascent business of registering Internet names, people
familiar with the negotiations said. The letter opposed the so-called
vertical integration of VeriSign's managing of the ".com" database and
registering new names in the database, sources said.""

""Commerce officials were said to be asking for more concessions from
VeriSign, such as giving up control of the ".net" domain sooner than 2005.""

/Bruce

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  To: GA
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  Subject: [ga] VeriSign May Ditch Domain Deal

  VeriSign May Ditch Domain Deal
  By Aaron Pressman
  May 15 2001 04:57 PM PDT

  The Commerce Department's review of the agreement that extends the
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:18:49 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Hi! Folks,
I am afraid there is a misunderstanding of a certain magnitude here.

I documented from experience in a previous mail the charges that Elisabeth 
and AFNIC incurred: I see that no one commented on it, while everyone 
continued talking wrong about technical management of an ML instead of the 
secretariat of an ML., and cost reduction while the issue is donation 
saturation.

Please refer to the figures given by Jonathan: you are talking about 
reducing costs on something you get for free. The problem is not Elisabeth 
$$ budget, but minutes budget. As anyone Elisabeth has a 100.000 minutes a 
year budget to manage. She sees with Philip how she may use them according 
to iCANN/DNSO management style.

You may discuss that style and propose a better organization: this is what 
WG-Review did and should continue doing and was opposed by people having 
set-up that style for their own benefit.
But discussing monies and costs is absurd.

Given the management style of a DNSO/ML Elisabeth cannot manage the 
requested number of MLs within the ML dedicated part of her 100.000 minutes 
a year. Period.

This is why I motioned that the "WG-Inclusive Name Space Management Center 
of Interest to prepare a documented demand to the NC" be on private ML and 
site. This is why not having acknowledged that seconded motion, having 
created the ga-root ML (and the others) and made us spend all that time on 
DNSO/GA/MLs discussion on his ML without proper information has probably 
cost the NC $ 2000 out of its $ 60.000 given by the AFNIC, and disturbed 
the Stockholm meeting preparation.

Jefsey

On 18:30 15/05/01, Jonathan Weinberg said:
>At 11:13 AM 5/15/2001 -0400, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
>>I think the clear consensus is to outsource the mailing list management
>>function to a more efficient provider.
>>
>>On Tue, 15 May 2001, Philip Sheppard wrote:
>>
>> > If it is not the will of the ga to reduce administrative time/costs by
>> > removal of the most under-utilised list, is it possible to consider any
>> > other of the ga's 9 lists ?
>> > Philip
>
>
>         My understanding is that the NC is indeed planning on 
> entertaining bids to outsource the *entire* secretariat function to a new 
> provider; Erica has announced plans to hire an outside consultant to 
> write an RFP, and to rank respondents against the RFP's selection 
> criteria.  It's hard to figure out how much of AFNIC's charges for the 
> secretariat function can be attributed to mailing lists alone; FWIW, here 
> is a copy of the secretariat expenditures and services for 2000 (from 
> <http://www.dnso.org/secretariat/2000.AFNIC-DNSO.html>).  It seems sort 
> of odd that, in looking for places in this budget to save money, one 
> would pounce first on existing GA mailing lists.
>
>>AFNIC expenditures for the DNSO services for FY 2000
>>
>>AFNIC has been following the overall budget expenses as voted by the 
>>Names Council during its March meeting.
>>
>>     EXPENDITURES
>>   1
>>     Personnel
>>                                                             34 000
>>     Webmaster (engineer part time)
>>                                                    24 000
>>     Technical support (part time)
>>                                                     6 000
>>     Temporary staff, help for 2 months of voting for ICANN
>>     Board
>>                                                     4 000
>>     Secretariat (part time, consultant, real cost USD 60 000)
>>                                                   (offered)
>>   2
>>     Offices and Equipment
>>                                                              2 000
>>     Office rental and office running (real cost for 70 sq meters
>>     is USD 25 000, AFNIC rented offices for his own staff in
>>     central Paris to keep place available for DNSO service)
>>                                                   (offered)
>>     PC desktop equipment purchase, software and hardware
>>                                                     2 000
>>   3
>>     Security, backup, connectivity
>>                                                             13 000
>>     Hosting dnso.org server in secure building, supervision,
>>     local and remote backups
>>                                                     5 000
>>     Connectivity to the Internet (real cost for 2 Mb/s is USD
>>     25 000, supported by Renater)
>>                                                     8 000
>>   4
>>     External professional services
>>                                                              3 000
>>     Legal advice
>>                                                     3 000
>>   5
>>     Telephone
>>                                                              1 800
>>     Dial up from home (USD 90 per month)
>>                                                     1 080
>>     Business running (USD 60 per month)
>>                                                       720
>>   6
>>     Secretariat Teleconferences (NC and committees)
>>                                                                600
>>     from office/home (USD 30 per telecon)
>>                                                       360
>>     when on travels (USD 120 per telecon)
>>                                                       240
>>   7
>>     Travels to ICANN meetings
>>                                                              5 000
>>     (Cairo NC+GA, Yokohama NC+GA, Marina del Rey
>>     GA: real cost USD 12 220)
>>                                                     5 000
>>     Total Expenditure, Capital Equipment
>>                                                             59 400
>>
>>
>>The services provided to the DNSO includes:
>>
>>Service to the NC
>>
>>      agendas/summaries/communication in between meetings
>>      NC membership maintenance (addresses, phones any other means for 
>> contact)
>>      NC e-mail list (maintaining, archiving, publishing)
>>      design and implementation of the NC voting system
>>      NC annual selection to the ICANN Board
>>
>>Service to the GA
>>
>>      maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists (in various 
>> formats)
>>      publishing GA documents on the dnso.org website
>>      creating and maintaining the DNSO GA membership database (including 
>> constituencies members; necessary to have the DNSO votes)
>>      adapting the NC voting system to the DNSO GA voting system
>>      attending and reporting to GA meetings
>>      day to day work with GA Chairs
>>
>>Service to the Working Groups and Committees
>>
>>      maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists
>>      publishing Working Groups documents
>>      setting up lists for comments
>>
>>General service for the DNSO
>>
>>      dnso.org web site concept and design
>>      dnso.org web site maintenance, with appropriate links to items of 
>> interests to the DNSO
>>      developping scripts and publishing statistics
>>      help desk, round clock service by email or telephone; FAQs
>>      hiring and training temporary staff to execute their responsibilities
>>      search for independent offices
>>      search of sponsors for offices and services
>>      work with ICANN staff, receiving ICANN staff and President
>>      receiving European ICANN Board members
>>      conducting communication with European ICANN partners attending 
>> Brussels meetings, WIPO, GAC
>>      conducting communication and liaison with Constituencies secretariats
>>      publicizing and promoting documents, contact with press
>>
>>Buildings, hardware, software, administrative work
>>
>>      Office rental, office running
>>      Computers and printers for the staff
>>      Telephone lines and fax
>>      Connectivity to the Internet
>>      Offices security service
>>      Network and operating systems security service
>>      Backup service, with the dnso.org mirroring on a distant site
>
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