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GA-DIGEST           Wednesday, May 16 2001           Volume 01 : Number 464

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:05:49 -0400
From: "babybows.com" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re:  Austerity Measures

Bill,

The Names Council adopted the Report of its Budget Committee
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-budget/Arc00/msg00318.html relevant
citation below:

>From the date that invoices are mailed/e-mailed to representatives of
Constituencies, if payment is not received by the DNSO or its agent by:

** 30 days, the Constituency is sent a reminder letter and another invoice

** 60 days, the Constituency is sent a delinquency notice and the
delinquency notice is posted on the DNSO Website

** 90 days, the Constituency is sent a "show cause notice" (in which they
are asked to show cause as to why their voting rights in the Names Council
should not be suspended) and they are charged a 5% late payment fee to cover
the cost to the DNSO of the cost of money.  The 5% penalty is added to that
Constituency's dues for the next (not the current) DNSO budget year.

** 120 days, the Constituency is sent a "final notice to pay" and charged an
additional 5% late payment fee, which is also due as a added payment for
their next year's DNSO dues

** 180 days, the voting rights, but not the right to participate, of that
Constituency's representatives to the Names Council are suspended until such
time as the DNSO or its agent receives all past due amounts including the
varies late payment fees.
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As the DNSO is an internal committee of ICANN that the Board has chosen not
to fund, it becomes necessary for the DNSO to pay for its own costs from
funds put forth by the special interests that participate as voting members
on the NC.  Some constituencies do not appear to have the ability to meet
this funding obligation... I believe that the Non-Commercial must raise
$29,000 within the next half year or they will forfeit their right to vote
(one of their representatives can probably give you the exact amount).

This funding requirement not only threatens several existing constituencies,
but it also poses a barrier to entry for new constituencies.  If we ever
succeed in obtaining an Individual's Constituency, there is every likelihood
that this constituency might not be able to meet the funding obligation and
thereby join the ranks of other constituencies without the right to vote.

This ultimately means that domain name policy issues will be voted upon by a
group that is not reasonably representative of the whole of the Internet
community.

We should be asking, why is the work of this internal committee (the DNSO)
not funded by ICANN, while other committees are funded.  Why is ICANN
spending $450,000 on a committee to study how to kill off the at-Large, and
not one penny for a committee that is charged with determining community
consensus on domain name policy issues?  I guess it's more important that
Board-squatting Directors retain their seats, than that we should be doing
our work on behalf of the ICANN Board in an efficient and representative
manner.

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:23:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Jonathan;

I am talking about what was stayed in the Names Council teleconference of
May 9, or at least that's what I understood from the recordings.

Now, today she requets to not close it.

Best Regards
Vany

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:

> At 12:40 PM 5/15/2001 +0000, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> >Hi Roberto:
> >[snip]
> > > OTOH, I would not recommend to shut down the moderated list either, as the
> > > vast majority of the subscriber seem to prefer (and implicitely
> > endorse) the
> > > monitoring effort.
> >Agree with you.  But the issue here is that Elizabeth proposed to close te
> >GA-FULL (unmoderated) and not the GA (moderated).   And I don't
> >understand why she is monitoring an unmoderated list!
>
>
>          A note of clarification: Elisabeth has *not* proposed that either
> GA-FULL or GA be closed.  She has stated that closing GA-FULL "may
> destabilize the compromise achieved one year ago" and is
> undesirable.  <http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg01796.html>.
>
> Jon
>
>
> Jonathan Weinberg
> [email-masked]
>

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:08:50 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Alternate Root Memo sent to Names Council

At 2:59 pm -0400 5/15/01, Sandy Harris wrote:
>"Neuman, Jeff" wrote:
>
>> Enclosed is a memorandum that we sent to the Names Council on the issue of
>> Alternate Roots, specifically with regards to the Atlantic Root.
>
>Please post it as text. Not everyone can read the proprietary Word format.
>I can read it, but don't know enough about you to trust you to send a
>virus-free file.

I'll give that a "me too".

Although Microsoft is about to do New Zealand, I don't do Microsoft.

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:26:04 +1000
From: "List Admin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Alternate Root Memo sent to Names Council

Hi Sandy

> Please post it as text. Not everyone can read the proprietary Word format.
> I can read it, but don't know enough about you to trust you to send a
> virus-free file.

I have reposted the email as text to the [ga-roots] mailing list.  For those
who are not subscribed to that list, you can see it in the archives at the
following URL:

http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-roots/Arc00/msg00277.html

Regards
Patrick Corliss

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Sandy Harris <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Alternate Root Memo sent to Names Council

> "Neuman, Jeff" wrote:
>
> > Enclosed is a memorandum that we sent to the Names Council on the issue
of
> > Alternate Roots, specifically with regards to the Atlantic Root.
>
> Please post it as text. Not everyone can read the proprietary Word format.
> I can read it, but don't know enough about you to trust you to send a
> virus-free file.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:33:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Michael:

There are things that have to made known and are the huge amount of money
that we are paying to AFNIC to perfom technical support only.

There are things that Elizabeth do voluntarily but there are technical job
that I am sure she doesn't do (please correct me if I am wrong) regarding
mailing lists.

Hopefully a bid for Secretariat Services and Internet Services will be
opened soon.  However, still we have to pay money to AFNIC until June 30.

Again, the amount of money payed to AFNIC is really huge and they have to
work.   And now they are claiming that the work is very heavy which is
really not.

If DNSO already engaged from the budget a fixed amount of money to pay to
AFNIC until June 30, then which costs it will be reduced? Wil they give us
a discount if they just have to manage one or two mailing lists from here
to June 30?   I don't think so.  So then, they don't have any excuse to
create more mailing lists.

Best Regards
Vany

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:

> I think the clear consensus is to outsource the mailing list management
> function to a more efficient provider.
>
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Philip Sheppard wrote:
>
> > If it is not the will of the ga to reduce administrative time/costs by
> > removal of the most under-utilised list, is it possible to consider any
> > other of the ga's 9 lists ?
> > Philip
> >
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:37:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Jonathan:

>          My understanding is that the NC is indeed planning on entertaining
> bids to outsource the *entire* secretariat function to a new provider;
yes. this is true, but also as far as I understand, we continue with AFNIC
until June 30 and they will be payed.

> Erica has announced plans to hire an outside consultant to write an RFP,
> and to rank respondents against the RFP's selection criteria.  It's hard to
> figure out how much of AFNIC's charges for the secretariat function can be
> attributed to mailing lists alone;
AFNIC for the year 2000 charged to DNSO almost $34000.00 only in internet
services without taking in count the conectivity to Internet.  And this
figure is only for part-time staff!!!

> FWIW, here is a copy of the secretariat
> expenditures and services for 2000 (from
> <http://www.dnso.org/secretariat/2000.AFNIC-DNSO.html>).  It seems sort of
> odd that, in looking for places in this budget to save money, one would
> pounce first on existing GA mailing lists.
Yes...it is very odd and ilogical since the managing of the mailing list,
with a little effort is done.

Best Regards
Vany

> >AFNIC expenditures for the DNSO services for FY 2000
> >
> >AFNIC has been following the overall budget expenses as voted by the Names
> >Council during its March meeting.
> >
> >     EXPENDITURES
> >   1
> >     Personnel
> >                                                             34 000
> >     Webmaster (engineer part time)
> >                                                    24 000
> >     Technical support (part time)
> >                                                     6 000
> >     Temporary staff, help for 2 months of voting for ICANN
> >     Board
> >                                                     4 000
> >     Secretariat (part time, consultant, real cost USD 60 000)
> >                                                   (offered)
> >   2
> >     Offices and Equipment
> >                                                              2 000
> >     Office rental and office running (real cost for 70 sq meters
> >     is USD 25 000, AFNIC rented offices for his own staff in
> >     central Paris to keep place available for DNSO service)
> >                                                   (offered)
> >     PC desktop equipment purchase, software and hardware
> >                                                     2 000
> >   3
> >     Security, backup, connectivity
> >                                                             13 000
> >     Hosting dnso.org server in secure building, supervision,
> >     local and remote backups
> >                                                     5 000
> >     Connectivity to the Internet (real cost for 2 Mb/s is USD
> >     25 000, supported by Renater)
> >                                                     8 000
> >   4
> >     External professional services
> >                                                              3 000
> >     Legal advice
> >                                                     3 000
> >   5
> >     Telephone
> >                                                              1 800
> >     Dial up from home (USD 90 per month)
> >                                                     1 080
> >     Business running (USD 60 per month)
> >                                                       720
> >   6
> >     Secretariat Teleconferences (NC and committees)
> >                                                                600
> >     from office/home (USD 30 per telecon)
> >                                                       360
> >     when on travels (USD 120 per telecon)
> >                                                       240
> >   7
> >     Travels to ICANN meetings
> >                                                              5 000
> >     (Cairo NC+GA, Yokohama NC+GA, Marina del Rey
> >     GA: real cost USD 12 220)
> >                                                     5 000
> >     Total Expenditure, Capital Equipment
> >                                                             59 400
> >
> >
> >The services provided to the DNSO includes:
> >
> >Service to the NC
> >
> >      agendas/summaries/communication in between meetings
> >      NC membership maintenance (addresses, phones any other means for
> > contact)
> >      NC e-mail list (maintaining, archiving, publishing)
> >      design and implementation of the NC voting system
> >      NC annual selection to the ICANN Board
> >
> >Service to the GA
> >
> >      maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists (in various
> > formats)
> >      publishing GA documents on the dnso.org website
> >      creating and maintaining the DNSO GA membership database (including
> > constituencies members; necessary to have the DNSO votes)
> >      adapting the NC voting system to the DNSO GA voting system
> >      attending and reporting to GA meetings
> >      day to day work with GA Chairs
> >
> >Service to the Working Groups and Committees
> >
> >      maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists
> >      publishing Working Groups documents
> >      setting up lists for comments
> >
> >General service for the DNSO
> >
> >      dnso.org web site concept and design
> >      dnso.org web site maintenance, with appropriate links to items of
> > interests to the DNSO
> >      developping scripts and publishing statistics
> >      help desk, round clock service by email or telephone; FAQs
> >      hiring and training temporary staff to execute their responsibilities
> >      search for independent offices
> >      search of sponsors for offices and services
> >      work with ICANN staff, receiving ICANN staff and President
> >      receiving European ICANN Board members
> >      conducting communication with European ICANN partners attending
> > Brussels meetings, WIPO, GAC
> >      conducting communication and liaison with Constituencies secretariats
> >      publicizing and promoting documents, contact with press
> >
> >Buildings, hardware, software, administrative work
> >
> >      Office rental, office running
> >      Computers and printers for the staff
> >      Telephone lines and fax
> >      Connectivity to the Internet
> >      Offices security service
> >      Network and operating systems security service
> >      Backup service, with the dnso.org mirroring on a distant site
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:35:27 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Alternate Root Memo sent to Names Council

Actually, for the virus paranoid (including myself) I prefer either text
(yuck) or PDF files, for public documents. Note that all MHSC generated
public documents are PDF files (pay Adobe the dollars and say "no" to macro
virus propagation).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Gardner [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:09 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Alternate Root Memo sent to Names Council
> 
> 
> At 2:59 pm -0400 5/15/01, Sandy Harris wrote:
> >"Neuman, Jeff" wrote:
> >
> >> Enclosed is a memorandum that we sent to the Names Council 
> on the issue of
> >> Alternate Roots, specifically with regards to the Atlantic Root.
> >
> >Please post it as text. Not everyone can read the 
> proprietary Word format.
> >I can read it, but don't know enough about you to trust you to send a
> >virus-free file.
> 
> I'll give that a "me too".
> 
> Although Microsoft is about to do New Zealand, I don't do Microsoft.
> 
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> barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform 
> about the UDRP?
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:37:53 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Elisabeth Porteneuve <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Dear Vany,

You insinuate things I never said.
You were not on the call on 9th May, which myself I had
to leave *before* the topic of lists was discussed.

I would appreciate you listen or read more carrefully.

Thank you very much,
Elisabeth
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> From [email-masked] Tue May 15 21:12 MET 2001
> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:23:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
> To: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
> cc: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> 
> Jonathan;
> 
> I am talking about what was stayed in the Names Council teleconference of
> May 9, or at least that's what I understood from the recordings.
> 
> Now, today she requets to not close it.
> 
> Best Regards
> Vany
> 
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
> 
> > At 12:40 PM 5/15/2001 +0000, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> > >Hi Roberto:
> > >[snip]
> > > > OTOH, I would not recommend to shut down the moderated list either, as the
> > > > vast majority of the subscriber seem to prefer (and implicitely
> > > endorse) the
> > > > monitoring effort.
> > >Agree with you.  But the issue here is that Elizabeth proposed to close te
> > >GA-FULL (unmoderated) and not the GA (moderated).   And I don't
> > >understand why she is monitoring an unmoderated list!
> >
> >
> >          A note of clarification: Elisabeth has *not* proposed that either
> > GA-FULL or GA be closed.  She has stated that closing GA-FULL "may
> > destabilize the compromise achieved one year ago" and is
> > undesirable.  <http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg01796.html>.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > Jonathan Weinberg
> > [email-masked]
> >
> 
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:04:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Ok...Elizabeth:

Then, please clarify me the following things:

1.  Who proposed the close of GA-FULL mailing list?
2.  Who said that creating 5 managing mailing lists takes 2 hours?

If it wasn't you then me apologizes and all those referrals to your name
regarding close of GA-FULL mailing should be changed for the name of the
person who proposed such thing in the Names Council Teleconference of May
9.

Best Regards
Vany

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:

>
>
> Dear Vany,
>
>
> You insinuate things I never said.
> You were not on the call on 9th May, which myself I had
> to leave *before* the topic of lists was discussed.
>
> I would appreciate you listen or read more carrefully.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Elisabeth
> --
>
> > From [email-masked] Tue May 15 21:12 MET 2001
> > Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:23:52 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
> > To: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
> > cc: <[email-masked]>
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures
> > Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> >
> > Jonathan;
> >
> > I am talking about what was stayed in the Names Council teleconference of
> > May 9, or at least that's what I understood from the recordings.
> >
> > Now, today she requets to not close it.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Vany
> >
> > On Tue, 15 May 2001, Jonathan Weinberg wrote:
> >
> > > At 12:40 PM 5/15/2001 +0000, Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
> > > >Hi Roberto:
> > > >[snip]
> > > > > OTOH, I would not recommend to shut down the moderated list either, as the
> > > > > vast majority of the subscriber seem to prefer (and implicitely
> > > > endorse) the
> > > > > monitoring effort.
> > > >Agree with you.  But the issue here is that Elizabeth proposed to close te
> > > >GA-FULL (unmoderated) and not the GA (moderated).   And I don't
> > > >understand why she is monitoring an unmoderated list!
> > >
> > >
> > >          A note of clarification: Elisabeth has *not* proposed that either
> > > GA-FULL or GA be closed.  She has stated that closing GA-FULL "may
> > > destabilize the compromise achieved one year ago" and is
> > > undesirable.  <http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg01796.html>.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > Jonathan Weinberg
> > > [email-masked]
> > >
> >
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:59:16 -0700
From: Bret Fausett <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Alternate Root Memo sent to Names Council

> Actually, for the virus paranoid (including myself) I prefer either text
> (yuck) or PDF files, for public documents.

For convenience, I used the "Save as HTML" option in word and posted an html
version of the memorandum here:

     http://www.lextext.com/neuroots.html

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:13:48 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] DNSO RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS

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      >>What exactly is the "scope of the DNSO"?  Where is this defined?<<
      Patrick Corliss wrote.....

      I found this:

      http://www.dnso.org/dnso/aboutdnso.html

      RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS

        The DNSO shall select Directors to those seats on the ICANN Board
designated, to be filled by the DNSO. The selection of Directors by the DNSO
shall comply with all applicable geographic diversity provisions of these
Bylaws.

        The DNSO shall serve as advisory body to the Board, with the primary
responsibility for developing and recommending substantive policies
regarding to the Domain Name System.

        The Board shall refer proposals for substantive policies regarding
to the Domain Name System (not received from the DNSO) to the DNSO for
initial consideration and recommendation to the Board.

        Any recommendation forwarded to the Board by a Supporting
Organization shall be transmitted to all other Supporting Organizations so
that each Supporting Organization may comment to the Board regarding the
implications of such a recommendation on activities within their individual
scope of primary responsibility.

        Subject to the provisions of Article III, Section 3 of the ICANN
Bylaws, the ICANN Board shall accept the recommendations of the DNSO if the
Board finds that the recommended policy (1) furthers the purposes of, and is
in the best interest of, the Corporation; (2) is consistent with the
Articles and Bylaws; (3) was arrived at through fair and open processes
(including participation by representatives of other Supporting
Organizations if requested); and (4) is not reasonably opposed by any other
Supporting Organization. No recommendation of the DNSO shall be adopted
unless the votes in favor of adoption would be sufficient for adoption by
the Board without taking account of either the Directors selected by the
DNSO or their votes.

        If the Board declines to accept any recommendation of the DNSO, it
shall return the recommendation to the DNSO for further consideration, along
with a statement of the reasons it declines to accept the recommendation.
If, after reasonable efforts, the Board does not receive a recommendation
from the DNSO that it finds meets the standards of Section 2(e) of Article
VI of the ICANN Bylaws or, after attempting to mediate any disputes or
disagreements between Supporting Organizations, receives conflicting
recommendations from Supporting Organizations, and the Board finds there is
a justification for prompt action, the Board may initiate, amend or modify
and then approve a specific policy recommendation.

/Bruce

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      <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>Patrick Corliss=20
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      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>I found this:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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        <P><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG><BR><BR>The DNSO shall =
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        the DNSO. The selection of Directors by the DNSO shall comply =
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        applicable geographic diversity provisions of these Bylaws. =
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        DNSO shall serve as advisory body to the Board, with the primary =

        responsibility for developing and recommending substantive =
policies=20
        regarding to the Domain Name System. <BR><BR>The Board shall =
refer=20
        proposals for substantive policies regarding to the Domain Name =
System=20
        (not received from the DNSO) to the DNSO for initial =
consideration and=20
        recommendation to the Board. <BR><BR>Any recommendation =
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        Board by a Supporting Organization shall be transmitted to all =
other=20
        Supporting Organizations so that each Supporting Organization =
may=20
        comment to the Board regarding the implications of such a =
recommendation=20
        on activities within their individual scope of primary =
responsibility.=20
        <BR><BR>Subject to the provisions of Article III, Section 3 of =
the ICANN=20
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DNSO if=20
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purposes=20
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would be=20
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either=20
        the Directors selected by the DNSO or their votes. <BR><BR>If =
the Board=20
        declines to accept any recommendation of the DNSO, it shall =
return the=20
        recommendation to the DNSO for further consideration, along with =
a=20
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recommendation. If,=20
        after reasonable efforts, the Board does not receive a =
recommendation=20
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of=20
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:51:44 -0400
From: "babybows.com" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re:  Travel to Stockholm

The 2001-2002 Proposed Budget sets aside for Board & Public Meetings
$450,000; for Other Travel & Meetings it sets aside $425,000.  Altogether
that amounts to $875,000 for meetings and travel expenses.  There is, of
course, no funding set aside for the DNSO.

Patrick needs less than one-quarter of one percent of that amount to be able
to travel to Stockholm.  Our ICANN president has denied his petition for
funding, calling it "a matter to be pursued through process, ultimately
requiring Board approval."

This would be a good time to initiate that process.  Perhaps those of you
more sage than I can advise how one begins a process to have DNSO activities
funded by the Board?

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:14:59 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Joop's motions

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Roeland Meyer wrote:

> Other SOs and the @Large are out of scope for the DNSO.

Except to the extent that we do have "external relations" -- that's
what [ga-ext] is all about.  Part of that is ensuring that SOs are
not stepping on each other's toes.  And if there were an @large,
well, this bunch certainly is! (And probably armed and dangerous,
too.)

Bill Lovell

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William S. Lovell [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:20 AM
> > To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Joop's motions
> >
> >
> > I see it as being pertinent, and Leah has the right answer.
> > I also think it would be good to kick start the @large.
> > Although strictly speaking the needs of "mere users" --
> > not a pejorative term -- don't fall under the aegis of the
> > DNSO, nevertheless the DNSO does have to concern
> > itself with its relationships with other SOs, the @large,
> > and on up.
> >
> > L Gallegos wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > I would not recommend, for the time being, to create a
> > separate SO for
> > > > users, but to encourage the users that may feel the
> > interest to participate
> > > > in the existing ones.
> > >
> > > Which ones, Roberto?  Isn't that the point?  There are no SO's where
> > > they fit.  There would be the @large if it existed.  IMO,
> > that is the place
> > > for users to have input.  It would need to be organized and
> > recognized,
> > > of course and this is precisely the point about which Danny
> > wrote in his
> > > message.  IMO, it is very pertinent to the GA discussions.
> > >
> > > Leah
> > >
> >
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<p>Roeland Meyer wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Other SOs and the @Large are out of scope for the
DNSO.</blockquote>
Except to the extent that we do have "external relations" -- that's
<br>what [ga-ext] is all about.&nbsp; Part of that is ensuring that SOs
are
<br><i>not</i> stepping on each other's toes.&nbsp; And if there <i>were</i>
an @large,
<br>well, <i>this</i> bunch certainly is! (And probably armed and dangerous,
<br>too.)
<p>Bill Lovell
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: William S. Lovell [<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]
<br>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:20 AM
<br>> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
<br>> Subject: Re: [ga] Joop's motions
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> I see it as being pertinent, and Leah has the right answer.
<br>> I also think it would be good to kick start the @large.
<br>> Although strictly speaking the needs of "mere users" --
<br>> not a pejorative term -- don't fall under the aegis of the
<br>> DNSO, nevertheless the DNSO does have to concern
<br>> itself with its relationships with other SOs, the @large,
<br>> and on up.
<br>>
<br>> L Gallegos wrote:
<br>>
<br>> >
<br>> > > I would not recommend, for the time being, to create a
<br>> separate SO for
<br>> > > users, but to encourage the users that may feel the
<br>> interest to participate
<br>> > > in the existing ones.
<br>> >
<br>> > Which ones, Roberto?&nbsp; Isn't that the point?&nbsp; There are
no SO's where
<br>> > they fit.&nbsp; There would be the @large if it existed.&nbsp;
IMO,
<br>> that is the place
<br>> > for users to have input.&nbsp; It would need to be organized and
<br>> recognized,
<br>> > of course and this is precisely the point about which Danny
<br>> wrote in his
<br>> > message.&nbsp; IMO, it is very pertinent to the GA discussions.
<br>> >
<br>> > Leah
<br>> >
<br>>
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