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GA-DIGEST            Saturday, May 12 2001            Volume 01 : Number 452

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:09:27 +1000
From: "Alternate Chair, GA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Subscribing to the New Mailing Lists

Members DNSO GA

Six new mailing lists have been set up by the DNSO Secretariat as follows:

[ga-ext]          DNSO External Relationships (ICANN & new constituencies)
[ga-int]           DNSO Internal Processes (the GA internal rules &
protocols)
[ga-sys]         Domain Name Registration Systems (Verisign registry, WHOIS
etc.)
[ga-roots]      Competitive Roots (alernative or inclusive roots)
[ga-tm]           Trade Marks & IP (the UDRP processes, WIPO etc.)
[ga-review]    GA DNSO Review (follow-up from the GA review process)

A mission and a suggested agenda for each of these have been posted to the
[ga] mailing list and each of the new lists.  Members subscribe to these
lists by sending an email to [email-masked] with the appropriate message
in the text as follows:

subscribe ga-ext
subscribe ga-int
subscribe ga-sys
subscribe ga-roots
subscribe ga-tm
subscribe ga-review

I would like to encourage everybody to use the use lists as this will create
focus to achieve a worthwhile consensus before the ICANN meeting in
Stockholm.

Thank you all.
Alternate Chair

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:08:24 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

At 10:46 11/05/01 -0400, vint cerf wrote:
>is there any reason to think that GA could pool limited resources to
>fund a couple of representatives to attend? I know that's easy to say -
>just wondering if such an idea had been considered?
>

As it is, the chair and alt-chair are not getting any funding to attend
Stockholm. 
How are we going to have a physical GA, this time?

- --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--  
the Cyberspace Association and 
the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
Elected representative.
http://www.idno.org  

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:00:59 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

> From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:08 PM
> 
> At 10:46 11/05/01 -0400, vint cerf wrote:
> >is there any reason to think that GA could pool limited resources to
> >fund a couple of representatives to attend? I know that's 
> easy to say -
> >just wondering if such an idea had been considered?
> >
> 
> As it is, the chair and alt-chair are not getting any funding 
> to attend
> Stockholm. 

As far as I know, only the BoD get expense monies.

> How are we going to have a physical GA, this time?

It doesn't sound like there will be one.
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:17:37 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Proposed Agenda GA-EXT Mailing List

On 12:57 12/05/01 +1000, Alternate Chair, GA said:
>EXTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS:  To consider, build and enhance the General
>Assembly's relationship with all external parties including, but not limited
>to, the ICANN Board, ICANN as a body, the Names Council, other Supporting
>Organizations, other internet organizations and the general public.
>
>(1)    ICANN as an Organisation
>Board of Directors, CEI & Staff
>Committees of the Board of Directors
>ICANN mission - technical or regulatory?
>ICANN as a Non-Profit, Articles & By-Laws
>Accounts, audit, finance & funding
>Structure, membership & accountability
>
>(2)    Oversight & Corporate Governance
>Role & Jurisdiction of US Government
>Department of Commerce (DoC) mandate
>Congresss and oversight of ICANN
>Monopoly, anti-trust & internet control
>ICANNWatch & other critiques
>
>(3)    Past & Present Advisory Committees
>At Large Membership Study Committee (ALSC)
>Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>DNS Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC)
>Membership Advisory Committee (MAC)
>Advisory Committee on Independent Review (IRAC)
>
>(4)    Corporate Policies
>Conflicts of Interest Policy
>Independent Review Policy
>Reconsideration Policy
>
>(5)    Policy, Strategy & Consensus Process
>ICANN website & Public Comment Forum
>Names Council-DNSO relationship
>Outreach, participation, translations, education
>Emerging constituencies & the public
>Membership Implementation Task Force (MITF)
>ICANN's relationship with govts & ccTLDs
>
>(6)    Contracts and Agreements
>ICANN-Verisign Registry Agreement (.com, net & org)
>ICANN-DoC Memorandum of Understanding (MoU)
>Cooperative Research & Development Agreement (CRADA)
>Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)
>IANA ccTLD Delegation Practices Document
>Registrar Accreditation Agreements, etc.
>ARIN-Verisign Core DNS Support
>
>(7)    Supporting Organisations
>Address Supporting Organisation (ASO)
>Domain Name Supporting Organisation (DNSO)
>Protocol Supporting Organisation (PSO)
>
>(8)    ASO =>>      Regional Internet Registries
>American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>Réseaux IP Européens (RIPE) Network Co-ordination Centre
>Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
>
>(9)    DNSO =>>    Constituencies
>Business Constituency
>Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders (NCDNHC)
>Country Code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) Registries
>Generic Top Level Domain (gTLD) Registries
>Internet Service Providers (ISPs) Constituency
>ICANN Accredited Registrars Constituency
>Intellectual Property (IP) Constituency
>
>(10)    PSO =>>        Organisations
>Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
>World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>International Telecommunication Union (ITU)
>European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI)
>
>(11)    Other Related Bodies
>Berkman Center for Internet & Society
>World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO)
>

We have been directed to this list for a discussion on the to-be-added- IC
constituency, so I would think that No. 9 and a vote on the IC constituency
motion moves to the top of the agenda.

- --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--  
the Cyberspace Association and 
the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
Elected representative.
http://www.idno.org  

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:01:42 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [wg-review] Re: [ga] Proposed Agenda GA-EXT Mailing List

Dear Chris,
you may have overlooked that Eric has been exiled
from the ga list beause of his increasingly abrupt demand
to the Chair to carry his duties.

You are probably on the ga-full list so you did not
notice it (on the ga-full the banned rogues' posters
are not filtered out yet: this why it costs more to
operate and why the NC will discontinue footing the
bill).

I take advantage of this post on my deaily count to
propose the following motion:

"
   To save the time of the list monitors there will
   be a "rogue list". Posts from the members of
   this list will not be monitored and will only be
   distributed on the ga-rogue ML. The ga-full
   will be discountinued as a result of the efforts
   of the Chair near the NC. Obviously "rogue" is
   not here to understand as "scoundrel" but as
   an "individual exhibiting an inferior biological
   variation". There is therefore no abuse in this.
   A list of the non-rogue GA Members will also
   be generated so the rogue Members may Bcc
   them directly, if they have enough brain left to
   discover how it works.
"

Jefsey

On 07:16 12/05/01, NameCritic said:
>I don't get where you have been exiled. Please explain.
>
>Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Eric Dierker
>   To: Alternate Chair, GA ; babybows.com ; Bret Fausett ; 
> [email-masked] ; Bruce James ; Cindy Merry ; Dave Crocker ; 
> [email-masked] ; JandL ; [email-masked] ; sotiris ; 
> [email-masked] ; Roeland Meyer ; Roberto GA ; NameCritic ; Joanna 
> Lane ; Jefsey Morfin ; Harald Tveit Alvestrand
>   Cc: [ga]
>   Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:44 PM
>   Subject: [wg-review] Re: [ga] Proposed Agenda GA-EXT Mailing List
>
>
>   Is there no one who will speak up against dictatorship by the alt 
> chair?  I have
>   already been exciled.
>   This is beyond my caring and speaks only to my emotion.
>
>   "Alternate Chair, GA" wrote:
>
>   > EXTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS:  To consider, build and enhance the General
>   > Assembly's relationship with all external parties including, but not 
> limited
>   > to, the ICANN Board, ICANN as a body, the Names Council, other Supporting
>   > Organizations, other internet organizations and the general public.
>   >
>   > (1)    ICANN as an Organisation
>   > Board of Directors, CEI & Staff
>   > Committees of the Board of Directors
>   > ICANN mission - technical or regulatory?
>   > ICANN as a Non-Profit, Articles & By-Laws
>   > Accounts, audit, finance & funding
>   > Structure, membership & accountability
>   >
>   > (2)    Oversight & Corporate Governance
>   > Role & Jurisdiction of US Government
>   > Department of Commerce (DoC) mandate
>   > Congresss and oversight of ICANN
>   > Monopoly, anti-trust & internet control
>   > ICANNWatch & other critiques
>   >
>   > (3)    Past & Present Advisory Committees
>   > At Large Membership Study Committee (ALSC)
>   > Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>   > DNS Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC)
>   > Membership Advisory Committee (MAC)
>   > Advisory Committee on Independent Review (IRAC)
>   >
>   > (4)    Corporate Policies
>   > Conflicts of Interest Policy
>   > Independent Review Policy
>   > Reconsideration Policy
>   >
>   > (5)    Policy, Strategy & Consensus Process
>   > ICANN website & Public Comment Forum
>   > Names Council-DNSO relationship
>   > Outreach, participation, translations, education
>   > Emerging constituencies & the public
>   > Membership Implementation Task Force (MITF)
>   > ICANN's relationship with govts & ccTLDs
>   >
>   > (6)    Contracts and Agreements
>   > ICANN-Verisign Registry Agreement (.com, net & org)
>   > ICANN-DoC Memorandum of Understanding (MoU)
>   > Cooperative Research & Development Agreement (CRADA)
>   > Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)
>   > IANA ccTLD Delegation Practices Document
>   > Registrar Accreditation Agreements, etc.
>   > ARIN-Verisign Core DNS Support
>   >
>   > (7)    Supporting Organisations
>   > Address Supporting Organisation (ASO)
>   > Domain Name Supporting Organisation (DNSO)
>   > Protocol Supporting Organisation (PSO)
>   >
>   > (8)    ASO =>>      Regional Internet Registries
>   > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>   > Réseaux IP Européens (RIPE) Network Co-ordination Centre
>   > Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
>   >
>   > (9)    DNSO =>>    Constituencies
>   > Business Constituency
>   > Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders (NCDNHC)
>   > Country Code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) Registries
>   > Generic Top Level Domain (gTLD) Registries
>   > Internet Service Providers (ISPs) Constituency
>   > ICANN Accredited Registrars Constituency
>   > Intellectual Property (IP) Constituency
>   >
>   > (10)    PSO =>>        Organisations
>   > Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
>   > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>   > International Telecommunication Union (ITU)
>   > European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI)
>   >
>   > (11)    Other Related Bodies
>   > Berkman Center for Internet & Society
>   > World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO)
>   >
>   > Best regards
>   > Alternate Chair
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:47:13 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

This is an urgent matter to address.

Could our legal gurus advise so we may vote asap on it.
Otherwise we will receive a mail from Danny telling us
wich solution the GA has decided.

Question: Could Vint chair the GA assembly (this would
put him in front of the problems)? Who is to decide: the
GA or the NC (I suppose the NC is the only one to be
able to decide of a Proxy, but the GA may suggest a name).

Which alternate name would you want to put forward?

Jefsey

On 07:08 12/05/01, Joop Teernstra said:
>At 10:46 11/05/01 -0400, vint cerf wrote:
> >is there any reason to think that GA could pool limited resources to
> >fund a couple of representatives to attend? I know that's easy to say -
> >just wondering if such an idea had been considered?
>
>As it is, the chair and alt-chair are not getting any funding to attend
>Stockholm.
>How are we going to have a physical GA, this time?

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:25:27 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Formal Warning to the Members of his List

Warning:

I hate the personal abusing level which develops in parallel to this ML. I 
consider it as a direct result of the mischairing of this list and of the 
importance of the matters at stake the GA is dramatically disabled to address.

I have proposed my help to the Chairs to restore a normal chairmanship and 
I am sure that most of you would join such an effort. But it has to be 
accepted that chairing is not directing and by-passing but catalyzing 
debates and looking for internal synergies.

 From now on I want to officially warn that I may decide to make public any 
private mail from either of the Chairs or any other Member I would 
privately receive about any personal feud. I hope this will decrease the 
volume of these nasty-mails.

I motioned to officialise the ga-rogue list in order to show the absurdity 
we went down to. I wish to be the first on that list, whatever the name 
those who have already set-it up are giving to it.

Jefsey

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:47:07 -0400
From: "Peter de Blanc" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Funding

Jefsey, et all:

I never said, or agreed, with your interpretation of how I (or others in
North America) regard non-profit or non-commercial companies.

Many non-profits do not have tax exemptions. Even if a non-profit does have
a tax exemption (in the US),l it only affects donations from other US
companies.

In our culture, "a non profit must be supported
by others (state, cities, companies) to join forces with the
free help brought be benevolent volunteers." (same as your words)

As an aside, i was surprised that the NCC does not accept non-profit
chambers of commerce as members. They are organizations set up to act as
political lobbists to local, state, regional, and national governmentsw in
order to argue for a more favorable set of business legislation. they are
all non profit, and mostly populated with volunteers.

I am personally involved with the VIP FreeNet foundation, in the Virgin
Islands. It does not have a tax exemption. It provides Internet access to
the public, where such access is not otherwise available thru schools,l
libraries, etc. It is run by volunteers.

The FreeNet conducts fund-raising activities, runs seminars, etc,. The funds
are used to deliver the internet service.

There is no difference (in my mind) between these non-profits.

Now, getting back to the DNSO constituency dues of NCC, I believe that your
secretariat, (if you have one) could simply request donations from other
organizations- including the other constituencies.

Meanwhile, I would appreciate knowing just who and what organizations are
eligible to be members in the NCC.

peter de Blanc

(Your mail appears below)

- --------------------------------------

Dear Peter,
I think we have here a major cultural gap I start understanding
between the US and other cultures.

If I am righ in the US culture a non-profit organization is a tax
exemption formula which is permitted if the activity is actually
eductational, charitable, etc... The is determined if I understand
you right by the amount of money that activity is able to rise.
So in a way the payers are the people saying if the action is
beneficial to he community and a tax exemption is worth being
accepted.

For us this is the oherway around. The tax exemption is a
detail. It goes with the incorpoation of the non-profit. It is only
under some circumstances when the people have shown that
actually the activity is somewhat commercial that taxes may
be imposed. The important thing is the dedication of the
volunteering people.

So in your culture, a non profit must be self-budgeted to show
it is of interest, and does not really care about benevoelent
free help. While in our culture a non profit must be supported
by others (state, cities, companies) to join forces with the
free help brought be benevolent volunteers.

In the case of he DNSO, you consider that "pay for vote" as
natural since it means that the voter was able to show the
meit of hios participation to sponsors. While we consider that
"to be pay for vote' is the normal way: we already give our
time, efforts, we are not going to gove our money.

What you do not see is tjhat your system works because
sponsors write off their gifts. Ours does it only partly and
under tax control. As we have many more no-profit orgs.
with extremely low budgets most of hem are funded out
a Members and Board Members pocket without any tax
write off.

Please tell me if my reading of the US approach is exact
and if you understand the culture of the non US taxed
rest of the world.

Jefsey
- ------------------------------------------------

- -----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Jefsey
Morfin
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:58 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [ga] Funding

As underlined in a mail to Peter de Blanc comenting one
of his positions, this approach of the ICANN and of the
DNSO funding is purely based upon the US tax culture
and is actually and definitly hurting to most of the people
not belonging to that culture.

As far as I understand the US tax culture considers
that non-profit actions are sponsored in proportion to
the good they bring to the society and therfore evaluates
the seriousness of an action by the amount of money
it may collect from sponsors. It has therefore no problem
in having them paying regular rates. This is a "Charity
business" conception.

The rest of the word evaluates the seriousness of a
non-profit organization by its targets and achievements
(in most of the cases without money). And from this
decides if it should be helped. "Charity is not a business".

As Chair for Charity and Cultural non profit associations,
as active against the International Digital Divide but also
as a business owner, a shareholder, a Member of several
business BoDs, Therefore - I hope :-) - a reasonably stable,
measured and seasoned business and human person, but
of no US tax culture - I really think in the deep of my heart
that an organization leading to such a post is absolutely
no worth existing and is totaly out of the economic,
relational, human, international reality.

I weight my words, here. I am really ashamed of this.

I know that my US friends will not fully understand my
position. But I submit this is one of the reason why the
iCANN was nicknamed the "US Joke": they make the
poors paying them and find it "OK".

1) As a temporary fix, I propose that only US tax
    exempt non-profit organizations are taxed by the
    DNSO.

2) I propose that the DNSO is incorporated as a
     European non-profit association sponsored by
     the iCANN at a level of 5 cents on every DNs.

     May be when they pay it they will pay attention
     to it.

3) a nice gesture by some ccTLDs  would be to pay
     the NonCom fee deducting it from their "donation"
     to the iCANN.

Jefsey

On 04:07 10/05/01, babybows.com said:
>This message regarding funding has just been circulated to the NCDDHC
>membership.  This funding issue affects all of us.  Proposed solutions or
>resolutions might be in order.  Thoughts?
>
>
>Dear NCDNHC members:
>
>The Fundraising Committee of the NCDNHC is soliciting voluntary membership
>contributions. The DNSO Names Council has decided that every constituency
>must pay an equal share of the DNSO's operating costs.* We need to raise
>$29,500 by December 2001 to keep our voting rights in the DNSO Names
>Council.
>
>We expect to discuss contributions and their relationship to membership at
>the Stockholm ICANN meeting. For the time being, however, we are suggesting
>the following minimum contribution levels:
>
>Large organizations: $300  Small organizations: $50
>
>These are the suggested levels. We will accept contributions larger or
>smaller than the suggested amount. Some large organizations are pledging
>several thousand dollars. Many small organizations have paid $100 in the
>past.
>
>If you are concerned about bank fees or currency exchange fees, and you
plan
>to attend the constituency meeting in Stockholm, please consider making
your
>contribution in cash at the meeting. We will be issuing receipts. Also,
>ICANN is implementing a capability for credit card payment. That may be
>ready by Stockholm, or shortly after.
>
>You can "pledge" a specific contribution by email. Address your pledges to
>[email-masked]. Put the following text in the subject:
>
>Voluntary Contribution
>
>And in the body of the message please include:
>
>Name of Contributor:
>Mailing Address (to send invoice):
>E-mail address of responsible party (to be contacted later for details):
>Amount of the contribution in US$:
>
>*The operating costs of the DNSO includes:
>Hosting of Internet Services by AFNIC (including web and mailing lists for
>General Assembly and Names Council); Secretariat of Names Council and
>General Assembly (including all support for Internet Services, and
>organizational tasks at all Names Council and General Assembly physical
>meetings and Names Council teleconference), perfomed by AFNIC, Webcasting
of
>General Assembly and Names Council meeting performed by Harvard Berkman
>Center.
>
>Regards,
>NCDNHC Fundraising Committee (Adam Peake, Nilda Vany Martinez, Milton
>Mueller, Dany Vandromme)
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:02:46 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

On 12:47 12/05/01 +0200, Jefsey Morfin said:
>This is an urgent matter to address.
>
>Could our legal gurus advise so we may vote asap on it.
>Otherwise we will receive a mail from Danny telling us
>wich solution the GA has decided.
>
>Question: Could Vint chair the GA assembly (this would
>put him in front of the problems)? Who is to decide: the
>GA or the NC (I suppose the NC is the only one to be
>able to decide of a Proxy, but the GA may suggest a name).
>
>Which alternate name would you want to put forward?
>
Well, that's very fast , Jefsey. 
We have not heard from Danny yet, if he cannot make it to Stockholm on his
own.

After all, he was able to make it to Melbourne, which is a lot farther.

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:13:44 +1000
From: "Alternate Chair, GA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Travel to Stockholm

Dear Mr Lynn

I speak here for myself alone.  My financial situation is very poor and I
will be unable to attend any ICANN meetings without financial support.  The
Chair and I have only just been appointed and have had no opportunity to
establish any "self-funding".  The Salzburg Seminar has refused to help.

Personally I am capable and competent.  My first degree, commenced in
1979, is a Bachelor of Applied Science in Computing Science.  I also have
a Masters degree in Accounting.  I am, or have been, a member of five
professional bodies including the Australian Computer Society.  For two
years I lectured in IT at the University of Technology, Sydney.

You should also be aware that I am a Director of the Australian Domain
Administration ("auDA") and the Top Level Domain Association ("TLDA").
I am very familiar with all of the issues and could contribute a great deal
in achieving useful outcomes.

However, it is apparent to me, at least, that there has been a concerted
effort to undermine the efforts of the General Assembly both internally and
externally.  Any proposal, such as that for the Individuals Constituency,
which has grass-roots support, is sidelined or ignored.  My expertise could
be useful to draw these issues together in a constructive way.

I am therefore astonished that you should wonder what my expectations were
when I agreed to take on the position of Alternate Chair.  It is my view
that the physical meetings are an integral part of the consensus process
and, as such, should be funded by the DNSO with support from ICANN.

Of course, I understand your explanation and consider your letter as the
official ICANN response.  However, I would have thought that you would,
at least, pretend to welcome genuine grass-roots participation.  Anything
less simply turns ICANN into a joke.  You have also said:

> Occasionally we are successful in helping with travel grant applications,
> but mostly to fund travel from countries where travel support is
> impossible.  In any event, it is too late for Stockholm, but you may want
> to look into the possibility for future meetings.

With genuine determination it is possible to overcome significant obstacles.
It is therefore not to late to go to Stockholm.  The rest of this statement
of yours is quite empty of content.  Travel support is impossible regardless
of which country I am from.  ICANN will either fund the travel or not.

I am truly very disappointed.  Not personally but for the failure of ICANN
to establish a proper structure and strategy.

Yours sincerely

Patrick Corliss
Alternate Chair
DNSO GA

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From: M. Stuart Lynn <[email-masked]>
To: Danny Younger <[email-masked]>; Patrick Corliss
<[email-masked]>
Cc: vint cerf <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:00 PM
Subject: Travel to Stockholm

> Danny and Patrick:
>
> I know you are faced with a difficult problem regarding funding your
> travel to Stockholm.
>
> I do, however, want to underscore what Vint has essentially mentioned
> to you. The ICANN SO's are intended to be self-funding. Their
> expenses are not included within the ICANN budget. Under the ICANN
> bylaws, as you know, the GA is advisory to the Names Council and it
> is most appropriate, therefore, that you approach the Names Council
> for travel support. I say this knowing that the Names Council is
> grappling with its own problems on how to fund the DNSO Secretariat.
>
> I think you can appreciate that if I were to approve your request
> (which is not within my power to do so under the budgetary authority
> granted me by the Board), I could easily open up ICANN to many, many
> "worthy" requests from across all SO's.
>
> I also wonder what were your expectations when you agreed to take on
> these positions? Did you consider how you would fund the travel
> expenses that would so obviously be part of the undertaking? I know
> that had you asked me in advance, I would have given you the same
> response as above.
>
> Having said all that, I do hope you can find some way to fund your
> travel to Stockholm and other future ICANN meetings. Occasionally we
> are successful in helping with travel grant applications, but mostly
> to fund travel from countries where travel support is impossible. In
> any event, it is too late for Stockholm, but you may want to look
> into the possibility for future meetings.
>
> With regards
>
> Stuart
>
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> __________________
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> President and CEO
> ICANN
> 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
> Marina del Rey, CA 90292
> Tel: 310-823-9358
> Fax: 310-823-8649
> Email: [email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:08:23 -0500
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:37:05 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re: Formal Warning to the Members of his List

Hi Jefsey

> I have proposed my help to the Chairs to restore a normal chairmanship and
> I am sure that most of you would join such an effort. But it has to be
> accepted that chairing is not directing and by-passing but catalyzing
> debates and looking for internal synergies

Thank you for your offer of assistance ;-)

Why don't you volunteer to Chair one of the six sublists?
I'm sure we'd appreciate your expertise being better utilised.

Best regards
Patrick

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