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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:01:40 -0400
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

I strongly disagree.  The time to review it is right now, before the 
meeting.  At the meeting it will be accepted as a fait accompli.  

The concerns expressed are valid, IMO.  The at-large is one of most 
important issues facing ICANN.  To leave it totally out of the budget 
speaks volumes to us.  There must be an allocation of funds so that 
when the study has been completed, the process can move forward 
immediately.  If more must be allocated at that time, that issue can be 
dealt with, but the Board must not ignore it in the currently proposed 
budget as it indicates that stated opinions by board members are, 
indeed, fact - that the Board does not see a need for an at-large and 
several board members are opposed to it. 

The bylaws now indicate that members are not members at all for 
puposes of California law.  Board actions indicate that they will not even 
be included in future "selections."  This is counter to the MOU and 
White Paper.  Please reconsider the budget and include funds for the at-
large.

On 11 May 2001, at 9:56, vint cerf wrote:

> The upcoming meeting will be a good time to review this
> 
> vint
> 
> At 10:20 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, Jon Weinberg wrote:
> >Vint --
> >
> >    Here's the crux of the problem:  The ICANN bylaws state that the Board
> >will "take final action on the [At-Large] study no later than the Annual
> >Meeting of the Corporation in 2001; and [c.] any actions taken by the
> >Board as a result of the study that require the selection of any "At
> >Large" Directors should be implemented on a schedule that will allow any
> >new "At Large" Directors to be seated no later than the conclusion of the
> >Annual Meeting of the Corporation in 2002."  (Remember that the terms of
> >the existing at-large directors expire in 2002.)  But here we see a
> >budget, running from July 1, 2001 to June 30, 2002, that includes *no*
> >allowance for any possible expenditures relating to an election,
> >preparation of voter lists, etc.  The result:  If the Committee should
> >recommend that a new round of elections should be held, and if the Board
> >should adopt that recommendation, it will be impossible for the
> >corporation to move forward with that course of action on the schedule
> >that the by-laws require.
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >
> >Jonathan Weinberg
> >[email-masked]
> 
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:59:12 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Hi Vint

> is there any reason to think that GA could pool limited resources to
> fund a couple of representatives to attend? I know that's easy to say -
> just wondering if such an idea had been considered?

My understanding is that the GA hasn't got ANY resources other than through
the largesse of the Names Council who won't provide the funding.

> >(l) Administrative and operational costs of the DNSO shall be funded by
DNSO
> >participants in a manner to be determined by the NC.

It's really is up to the Names Council.

And they better do it soon if we want to get a visa to go to Sweden.

Regards
Alternate Chair

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:45:42 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] DNSO funding

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DNSO funding:

    Somehow this option was never supported or discussed I would like to
bring it up once again, in our time of need.

        http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg01372.html

>>>>>At the same time, I strongly believe that the success of ICANN is
heavily
dependent on the success of the DNSO.  Consequently, I place a very high
priority on this.
Chuck<<<<<

I would like to believe Chuck. I really think he means well, however, I
would like to see VeriSign make a *tax deductible* donation to the DNSO-GA
for funding its operations.

I think it would be a great idea to draw up a *request for a donation,* for
VeriSign to fund the DNSO-GA annual expenses.

Let VeriSign turn down a reasonable request for funding!

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:09:36 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Dear Vint,
My Frenglish leads me to look into wording details. Sometimes
it makes me read more than written. Often it makes me read
what others have overlooked.

"The upcoming meeting will be a good time to review this".

Has it the same meaning that what I expected:

"The upcoming meeting will be the last chance to decide about
   this in order to stay on the committed schedule. Otherwise we
   will have to modify the bylaws to say that the mandate of an
   @large Directors ends with the begining of the mandate of his
   successor".

Jefsey
Chair, france@large

At 18:01 11/05/01, L Gallegos wrote:
>I strongly disagree.  The time to review it is right now, before the
>meeting.  At the meeting it will be accepted as a fait accompli.
>
>The concerns expressed are valid, IMO.  The at-large is one of most
>important issues facing ICANN.  To leave it totally out of the budget
>speaks volumes to us.  There must be an allocation of funds so that
>when the study has been completed, the process can move forward
>immediately.  If more must be allocated at that time, that issue can be
>dealt with, but the Board must not ignore it in the currently proposed
>budget as it indicates that stated opinions by board members are,
>indeed, fact - that the Board does not see a need for an at-large and
>several board members are opposed to it.
>
>The bylaws now indicate that members are not members at all for
>puposes of California law.  Board actions indicate that they will not even
>be included in future "selections."  This is counter to the MOU and
>White Paper.  Please reconsider the budget and include funds for the at-
>large.
>
>On 11 May 2001, at 9:56, vint cerf wrote:
>
> > The upcoming meeting will be a good time to review this
> >
> > vint
> >
> > At 10:20 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, Jon Weinberg wrote:
> > >Vint --
> > >
> > >    Here's the crux of the problem:  The ICANN bylaws state that the Board
> > >will "take final action on the [At-Large] study no later than the Annual
> > >Meeting of the Corporation in 2001; and [c.] any actions taken by the
> > >Board as a result of the study that require the selection of any "At
> > >Large" Directors should be implemented on a schedule that will allow any
> > >new "At Large" Directors to be seated no later than the conclusion of the
> > >Annual Meeting of the Corporation in 2002."  (Remember that the terms of
> > >the existing at-large directors expire in 2002.)  But here we see a
> > >budget, running from July 1, 2001 to June 30, 2002, that includes *no*
> > >allowance for any possible expenditures relating to an election,
> > >preparation of voter lists, etc.  The result:  If the Committee should
> > >recommend that a new round of elections should be held, and if the Board
> > >should adopt that recommendation, it will be impossible for the
> > >corporation to move forward with that course of action on the schedule
> > >that the by-laws require.
> > >
> > >Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >Jonathan Weinberg
> > >[email-masked]
> >
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 04:30:28 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Can You Budget for Elections? ICANN't

This is from TheStreet.com's MEDIA GROK newsletter.

Dawn

====================

Can You Budget for Elections? ICANN't

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers is supposed to
run the domain-name system in an open and transparent manner, but
ICANN's critics accuse it of operating behind closed doors and
springing surprises at public meetings. So the editors and readers of
the ICANNWatch Web log resort to a kind of online dumpster diving,
scouring ICANN's Web sites, mailing lists and conference-call logs.
This week ICANNWatch turned up a draft of next year's budget proposal;
a couple of media outlets picked up the story.

Writing on the ICANNWatch site, University of Miami law professor
Michael Froomkin criticized ICANN for allocating zero dollars to run
an at-large election next year. Originally, half of ICANN's board was
supposed to be elected by members of the Internet community. The
organization has cut elected representation from nine board members to
five, and its critics accuse it of scheming to eliminate any openly
elected representatives.

The Register's Andrew Orlowski pounced on the budget's lack of funding
for elections, referring to the proposed budget's drafter, Mike
Roberts, as ICANN's "Maximum CFO." (Roberts is no longer associated
with ICANN.)

InternetNew's Brian McWilliams turned in a balanced look at the budget
proposal, even paraphrasing an ICANN spokesperson on the proposal's
status. McWilliams mentioned the lack of funding for at-large
elections, but spent more column inches arguing that ICANN's spending
priorities are set mostly by the domain-name registrars who pay the
bulk of ICANN's bills. McWilliams quoted ICANNWatch's Froomkin: "Why
do the registrars get the inside track and get to comment before the
rest of us? The answer is obvious. They've got lawyers, and they've
got money." - Keith Dawson

Leaked ICANN Budget Reveals Plans
http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=140

Leaked ICANN Budget Apportions $0 for Elections
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18868.html

ICANN Proposed Budget Leaked on the Web
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article/0,,3_763061,00.html

Copyright 2001 Standard Media International

Dawn Rivers Baker, Editor
Wahmpreneur News Magazine
Business news online
for women who work where they live
P.O. Box 41
Sidney, NY 13838
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:01:09 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

To NC fellow members and GA fellow members:

I wasn't in the teleconference done on May 9.  And I am surprised to read
that those that administrate the mailing list server for DNSO (as far as I
understand is the AFNIC staff), stated that they spend a lot of time
administrating an unmoderated mailing list as GA-FULL is.

This notice surprise me first because the software used to manage mailing
list named MAJORDOMO, it is made to setup things one time and then things
runs in their own.  This is my experience with MAJORDOMO and I am sure
many members of the GA who are techies can also ratify this.

Of course, if the AFNIC staff doesn't know how to manage mailing lists in
an effective way using all MAJORDOMO capabilitie so they doesn't have
to spend a lot of time making manual tasks regarding with the mailing
list, then I recommend them to learn more about MAJORDOMO, and if they
need technical assitance, maybe they can post their questions to the
GA-FULL mailing list and for sure techies will answer.  But with one
condition: resign the high salaries they are receiving for doing this job,
at least what it was in the whole year 2000.  I cannot believe that they
charged with a lot of money to the DNSO and now they are complaining about
a simply mailing list (by the way, remember that the constituencies are
the ones who pay even if the NCDNHC is passing hard times to recolect its
part of the due).

Cheers
Vany
:-)

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Michael Froomkin wrote:

> this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a mailing list?
>
>

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:42:39 -0400
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Vany, Michael, et al.,

It appears almost as if some people actually believe that others are dolts.

And how about Pindar and ex-Swedish PM Bildt enjoying Iranian and Russian
caviar while they manage their "study".  "Bottoms-up!" as the champagne flutes
clink. [Kendall!?]

[aside: thinking out loud] Is there any reason to continue participating in the
farce?  What if everyone just quit the GA en masse?  Chairs and tables
included.  Well, perhaps not everyone would leave... but certainly a
significant, noticeable number..?

Condolences,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
        Reminder: RFC 1591  The truth will set you free!

Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:

> To NC fellow members and GA fellow members:
>
> I wasn't in the teleconference done on May 9.  And I am surprised to read
> that those that administrate the mailing list server for DNSO (as far as I
> understand is the AFNIC staff), stated that they spend a lot of time
> administrating an unmoderated mailing list as GA-FULL is.
>
> This notice surprise me first because the software used to manage mailing
> list named MAJORDOMO, it is made to setup things one time and then things
> runs in their own.  This is my experience with MAJORDOMO and I am sure
> many members of the GA who are techies can also ratify this.
>
> Of course, if the AFNIC staff doesn't know how to manage mailing lists in
> an effective way using all MAJORDOMO capabilitie so they doesn't have
> to spend a lot of time making manual tasks regarding with the mailing
> list, then I recommend them to learn more about MAJORDOMO, and if they
> need technical assitance, maybe they can post their questions to the
> GA-FULL mailing list and for sure techies will answer.  But with one
> condition: resign the high salaries they are receiving for doing this job,
> at least what it was in the whole year 2000.  I cannot believe that they
> charged with a lot of money to the DNSO and now they are complaining about
> a simply mailing list (by the way, remember that the constituencies are
> the ones who pay even if the NCDNHC is passing hard times to recolect its
> part of the due).
>
> Cheers
> Vany
> :-)
>
> On Thu, 10 May 2001, Michael Froomkin wrote:
>
> > this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a mailing list?
> >
> >
>
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> Fax: (507) 230-3455
> e-mail: [email-masked]
> http://www.sdnp.org.pa
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:10:47 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN Proposed Budget Leaked on the Web

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:09:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] MOTION - "In Favour" or "Opposed"  ???

Hi Chuck:
I have take some time to read the ByLaws again and this is what it says:

"Any group of individual or entities may petition to the Board for
recognition as a new or separte Constituency.  Any such petition will be posted for public
comment pursuant the article III, section 3.  The Board may create new
constituencies in responses to such a petition, or on its own motion, if
it determines that such action would serve the purposes of the
Corporation.  In the even that the Board is considering action on its own
motion it shall post a detailes explanation of why such action is
necessary or desirable, set a reasonable time for public comment, and not
make  final decision on whether to create such new constituency until
after reviewing all comments received.  Whenever the Board posts a
petition or recommendation for a new consituency for public comment, it
will notify the Names Council and will consider any response to that
notification prior taking action"

This By-Laws give the right to any group of individuals to make a request
for a new consituency.  Then ICANN has the obligation to put it for Public
Comments, according to the same By-Laws.

If there are not any special procedure to request for a new constituency I
just have to say that...lets do it again...lets request formally again for
a new constituency!  Lets deliver to the ICANN Board formal requests for a
new consituency!

Best Regards
Vany

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:06:44 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

On Fri, 11 May 2001, at 10:46 [=GMT-0400], vint cerf wrote:

> is there any reason to think that GA could pool limited resources to
> fund a couple of representatives to attend? 

I could think of a few, but I am in a good mood.

> I know that's easy to say -

Yes, but still, I am in a good mood. 

> just wondering if such an idea had been considered?

Not that I know. Still, as my good mood hasn't gone yet: I am
'pooling' $100 including banking charges for either Chair or Co-chair
or what they are called to attend Stockholm. So where is the online
credit card facility ICANN has set up for its supporting
organisations?

The correct answer, Vint, is naturally to get this set up over the
weekend :-) I will really hate you then.

Marc

> At 01:45 AM 5/12/2001 +1000, Alternate Chair, GA wrote:
> >Thank you, Vint
> >
> >> I don't know but I've copied Stuart Lynn. I've been operating on the
> >> assumption that DNSO needed to be self-funded.
> >
> >(l) Administrative and operational costs of the DNSO shall be funded by DNSO
> >participants in a manner to be determined by the NC.
> >
> >Yes, but if the NC can't or won't pay, the GA is left without recourse to
> >funding.
> >
> >Regards
> >Alternate Chair
> 

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

Sotiris:

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> And how about Pindar and ex-Swedish PM Bildt enjoying Iranian and Russian
> caviar while they manage their "study".  "Bottoms-up!" as the champagne flutes
> clink. [Kendall!?]
I don't think they are contracted and/or offering a service and charging
to ICANN.  I think you are going outside the scope of this
discussion and saying things that doesn't have to do with what I am stating in this
discussion.  Anyway, at least the people in charge of the At-Large study
are not complaining about the big volume of job and they have a real huge
job to do.  We are not talking about if they eat caviar. They are working!
!! and very hard!!!

But what I stated about the people that works with the servers of
DNSO anyone can see it in:
http://www.dnso.org/secretariat/2000.AFNIC-DNSO.html

Best Regards
Vany

> [aside: thinking out loud] Is there any reason to continue participating in the
> farce?  What if everyone just quit the GA en masse?  Chairs and tables
> included.  Well, perhaps not everyone would leave... but certainly a
> significant, noticeable number..?

>
> Condolences,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>         Reminder: RFC 1591  The truth will set you free!
>
> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
>
> > To NC fellow members and GA fellow members:
> >
> > I wasn't in the teleconference done on May 9.  And I am surprised to read
> > that those that administrate the mailing list server for DNSO (as far as I
> > understand is the AFNIC staff), stated that they spend a lot of time
> > administrating an unmoderated mailing list as GA-FULL is.
> >
> > This notice surprise me first because the software used to manage mailing
> > list named MAJORDOMO, it is made to setup things one time and then things
> > runs in their own.  This is my experience with MAJORDOMO and I am sure
> > many members of the GA who are techies can also ratify this.
> >
> > Of course, if the AFNIC staff doesn't know how to manage mailing lists in
> > an effective way using all MAJORDOMO capabilitie so they doesn't have
> > to spend a lot of time making manual tasks regarding with the mailing
> > list, then I recommend them to learn more about MAJORDOMO, and if they
> > need technical assitance, maybe they can post their questions to the
> > GA-FULL mailing list and for sure techies will answer.  But with one
> > condition: resign the high salaries they are receiving for doing this job,
> > at least what it was in the whole year 2000.  I cannot believe that they
> > charged with a lot of money to the DNSO and now they are complaining about
> > a simply mailing list (by the way, remember that the constituencies are
> > the ones who pay even if the NCDNHC is passing hard times to recolect its
> > part of the due).
> >
> > Cheers
> > Vany
> > :-)
> >
> > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Michael Froomkin wrote:
> >
> > > this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a mailing list?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
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> > IT Specialist
> > Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> > Tel: (507) 230-4011 ext 213
> > Fax: (507) 230-3455
> > e-mail: [email-masked]
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> >
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:51:51 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: Why not leave? (Re: [ga] Austerity measures)

On Fri, 11 May 2001, at 15:42 [=GMT-0400], Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> It appears almost as if some people actually believe that others are dolts.

Doubting yourself does sometimes help.

> And how about Pindar and ex-Swedish PM Bildt enjoying Iranian and Russian
> caviar while they manage their "study".  "Bottoms-up!" as the champagne flutes
> clink. [Kendall!?]

Doubting others motives does not help. Perform and publish your own
study of the at-large?

> [aside: thinking out loud] Is there any reason to continue participating in the
> farce?  What if everyone just quit the GA en masse?  Chairs and tables
> included.  Well, perhaps not everyone would leave... but certainly a
> significant, noticeable number..?

Leaving does not help. Some will stay and provide the bottom-up
consensus process of 'the [sic] ICANN community' with 'legitimacy'. If
you leave, you give up, unless you start, say a 'euroroot' or
something.
 
> Condolences,

Why? I am thinking of a good new (three character!) TLD string to set
up DNS for.

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:56:47 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." But that kind
of situation has never been solved by walking away. It is only the tendency
to do so that permits that kind of thing to continue.  But neither the U.S.
nor the State of California nor ICANN are an Iraq -- there an objector
to the power structure will most surely get killed; here, that is not the case.
However much some may belittle the world wide rise in democracy over
the last decade or so, it has still occurred, but only through the concerted
efforts of dedicated people.

Bill Lovell

Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:

> Vany, Michael, et al.,
>
> It appears almost as if some people actually believe that others are dolts.
>
> And how about Pindar and ex-Swedish PM Bildt enjoying Iranian and Russian
> caviar while they manage their "study".  "Bottoms-up!" as the champagne flutes
> clink. [Kendall!?]
>
> [aside: thinking out loud] Is there any reason to continue participating in the
> farce?  What if everyone just quit the GA en masse?  Chairs and tables
> included.  Well, perhaps not everyone would leave... but certainly a
> significant, noticeable number..?
>
> Condolences,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>         Reminder: RFC 1591  The truth will set you free!
>
> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales wrote:
>
> > To NC fellow members and GA fellow members:
> >
> > I wasn't in the teleconference done on May 9.  And I am surprised to read
> > that those that administrate the mailing list server for DNSO (as far as I
> > understand is the AFNIC staff), stated that they spend a lot of time
> > administrating an unmoderated mailing list as GA-FULL is.
> >
> > This notice surprise me first because the software used to manage mailing
> > list named MAJORDOMO, it is made to setup things one time and then things
> > runs in their own.  This is my experience with MAJORDOMO and I am sure
> > many members of the GA who are techies can also ratify this.
> >
> > Of course, if the AFNIC staff doesn't know how to manage mailing lists in
> > an effective way using all MAJORDOMO capabilitie so they doesn't have
> > to spend a lot of time making manual tasks regarding with the mailing
> > list, then I recommend them to learn more about MAJORDOMO, and if they
> > need technical assitance, maybe they can post their questions to the
> > GA-FULL mailing list and for sure techies will answer.  But with one
> > condition: resign the high salaries they are receiving for doing this job,
> > at least what it was in the whole year 2000.  I cannot believe that they
> > charged with a lot of money to the DNSO and now they are complaining about
> > a simply mailing list (by the way, remember that the constituencies are
> > the ones who pay even if the NCDNHC is passing hard times to recolect its
> > part of the due).
> >
> > Cheers
> > Vany
> > :-)
> >
> > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Michael Froomkin wrote:
> >
> > > this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a mailing list?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
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> > IT Specialist
> > Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> > Tel: (507) 230-4011 ext 213
> > Fax: (507) 230-3455
> > e-mail: [email-masked]
> > http://www.sdnp.org.pa
> >
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:40:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Why not leave? (Re: [ga] Austerity measures)

Dear Michael:

Thanks a lot for your constructive words.

People, don't leave.  Stay and contribute!!!

Best Regards
Vany

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Marc Schneiders wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2001, at 15:42 [=GMT-0400], Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> > It appears almost as if some people actually believe that others are dolts.
>
> Doubting yourself does sometimes help.
>
> > And how about Pindar and ex-Swedish PM Bildt enjoying Iranian and Russian
> > caviar while they manage their "study".  "Bottoms-up!" as the champagne flutes
> > clink. [Kendall!?]
>
> Doubting others motives does not help. Perform and publish your own
> study of the at-large?
>
> > [aside: thinking out loud] Is there any reason to continue participating in the
> > farce?  What if everyone just quit the GA en masse?  Chairs and tables
> > included.  Well, perhaps not everyone would leave... but certainly a
> > significant, noticeable number..?
>
> Leaving does not help. Some will stay and provide the bottom-up
> consensus process of 'the [sic] ICANN community' with 'legitimacy'. If
> you leave, you give up, unless you start, say a 'euroroot' or
> something.
>
> > Condolences,
>
> Why? I am thinking of a good new (three character!) TLD string to set
> up DNS for.
>
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