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GA-DIGEST             Friday, May 11 2001             Volume 01 : Number 449

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:22:37 -0400
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Danny,

I think William's point was valid.  If you feel the matter is urgent enough
to rush ahead, at a minimum you should make it clear that you are speaking
individually and not representing an opinion that was fully vetted in the
GA.

Chuck Gomes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Danny Younger [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:45 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Re: 2001-2002 Budget

William,

Would you rather get answers for the questions that affect us all before
this Budget is voted upon, or would you prefer that we debate this issue for
a few more weeks (following your definition of proper procedure) and allow
the Board to act on this matter without the benefit of our input?

Perhaps you would care to list the members of this Assembly that are "not"
concerned by this issue.  I think that I speak for all of us who are seeking
an ICANN that is more representative.

It is my job to assess the sentiment of this Assembly.  This Assembly has
through its debates and motions expressed a desire to have ICANN become a
more fully representative body.  I do not require a motion, ballot and
voting procedure to verify this self-evident conclusion.

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:13:02 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

On Fri, 11 May 2001, at 03:45 [=GMT-0400], Danny Younger wrote:

> Would you rather get answers for the questions that affect us all before
> this Budget is voted upon, or would you prefer that we debate this issue for
> a few more weeks (following your definition of proper procedure) and allow
> the Board to act on this matter without the benefit of our input?

I support Danny Younger's position. The least that the Board should
do, is make some sort of provision in case there will be elections.

Marc Schneiders

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:13:41 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] 2001-2002 Budget

At 00:07 11.05.2001 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>Hello Danny,
>
>Thursday, May 10, 2001, 11:45:30 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
>
> > To the members of the Budget Group and Finance Committee:
>
> > The membership of the General Assembly understands that you have 
> advised the
> > President of ICANN with respect to the proposed budget for 2001-2002.  We
> > are concerned by published reports that this proposed budget has not
> > allocated any funds for At-Large Elections, in spite of past promises to
> > choose at least five more Board members through this electoral process.  We
> > would appreciate the benefit of your thoughts on this matter.
>
>The GA has not expressed any such concern.
>
>I suggest that the GA Chair should not indicate to be speaking for the
>GA unless he has the expressed support from the GA for that statement.
>
>In this case, he speaks only for himself, and his comments should be
>given only that weight as they would from any one individual.

In expressing concern and asking for information, he speaks for me too.

               Harald

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:38:26 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga] 2001-2002 Budget

Hello Harald,

Friday, May 11, 2001, 1:13:41 AM, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>>In this case, he speaks only for himself, and his comments should be
>>given only that weight as they would from any one individual.

> In expressing concern and asking for information, he speaks for me too.

But that's not the point.

The point is that before speaking FOR the GA, as an assembly, he needs
to make damn sure that in fact he is expressing the consensus of the
GA.

I'm not saying >>I<< disagree with what he said.

But before he claims to speak FOR me, that needs to be solicited.
A lack of posted opposition is not sufficient to justify it.

Until the consensus is actually gauged, he is speaking only for
himself and those, like yourself, who expressly say they agree with
him.

Until the process is followed, and a consensus of the GA is actually
gauged, he CANNOT give a statement "from the GA."

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:15:10 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Nominations for Chair of Sub-Lists

Dear Patrick,
Who do you think we are? I am no onw's clown. Just mine.
Please remove my name from such a list. All the more associated to such a 
stupid issue.
Thank you.
Jefsey

On 08:33 11/05/01, Patrick Corliss said:
>Chair, GA
>
>After careful consideration, I think that everyone is too shy to volunteer
>to be Chair of any of the sublists.  I see the following persons as ideal
>and nominate each of them as Chair.  Where there are two it's because I
>can't choose between them.  Others may wish to nominate.
>
>GA-ROOTS
>Marilyn Cade (unbiaused and competent)
>
>GA-EXT
>William S. Lovell (understands complexities)
>David P. Farrar (same and very analytical)
>
>GA-INT
>Darryl Lynch (interest in rules & protocols)
>Jefsey Morfin (good for stimulating debate)
>
>GA-REVIEW
>Sotiris Sotiropoulos (experience with review)
>
>GA-SYS
>Joop Ternstra (Domain Name Holders Rights)
>William X. Walsh (Expert in Registration Systems)
>
>GA-TM
>Jonathan Weinberg (seems cool and detached)
>
>Any comments, seconders ??
>We have to move this process forward.
>
>Best Regards
>Patrick Corliss
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:12:54 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures AND ga-full

I suggest an austerity measure: to close Patrick's
artificial MLs. Would save on six lists and on all the
mails that Patricks keep posting to attract people
there.  Jefsey

On 07:57 11/05/01, Alternate Chair, GA said:
>Hi William
>
>On Friday, May 11, 2001 1:38 PM (AEST), you wrote
>
>
> > So clue in a clueless newbie, here, huh?
>
>I've replied to you email on [ga-int].  I hope you don't mind.
>That is a better forum for discussing the mailing lists.
>
>Best regards
>Alternate Chair
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:33:22 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

>>>I support Danny Younger's position. The least that the Board should
do, is make some sort of provision in case there will be elections.
Marc Schneiders<<<

I agree also, this just another slap in our face. We should have a budget
for Elections or the whole purpose of ICANN's *bottom up mission* is another
falsehood.

We really do care about ICANN, but we also demand that they follow their
Mission!

We, the people, DEMAND representation on the ICANN Board through Elections!

/Bruce James/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Schneiders" <[email-masked]>
To: "Danny Younger" <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Sent: May 11, 2001 04:13
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 2001-2002 Budget

On Fri, 11 May 2001, at 03:45 [=GMT-0400], Danny Younger wrote:

> Would you rather get answers for the questions that affect us all before
> this Budget is voted upon, or would you prefer that we debate this issue
for
> a few more weeks (following your definition of proper procedure) and allow
> the Board to act on this matter without the benefit of our input?

I support Danny Younger's position. The least that the Board should
do, is make some sort of provision in case there will be elections.

Marc Schneiders

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Froomkin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

what about the timing issue?  if the committee were to report in favor of
elections, will there be time to hire staff, gear up, get the money?

Also, isn't ICANN going to do any 'maintenance' on membership - keep up
the web page, allow changes of address etc, so as not to lose whatever
momentum may exist?  Failure to do so could be very costly.

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On Fri, 11 May 2001, vint cerf wrote:

> folks, 
> 
> this begs the question of the report from the at-large study which is
> supposed to include consideration of funding among many other things.
> 
> It makes more sense to me for the board and finance committee to take this
> matter up after we have recommendations from Carl Bildt's committee in
> hand.
> 
> vint
> 
> At 07:33 AM 5/11/2001 -0500, Bruce James wrote:
> >>>>I support Danny Younger's position. The least that the Board should
> >do, is make some sort of provision in case there will be elections.
> >Marc Schneiders<<<
> >
> >I agree also, this just another slap in our face. We should have a budget
> >for Elections or the whole purpose of ICANN's *bottom up mission* is another
> >falsehood.
> >
> >We really do care about ICANN, but we also demand that they follow their
> >Mission!
> >
> >We, the people, DEMAND representation on the ICANN Board through Elections!
> >
> >/Bruce James/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Marc Schneiders" <[email-masked]>
> >To: "Danny Younger" <[email-masked]>
> >Cc: <[email-masked]>
> >Sent: May 11, 2001 04:13
> >Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 2001-2002 Budget
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 11 May 2001, at 03:45 [=GMT-0400], Danny Younger wrote:
> >
> >> Would you rather get answers for the questions that affect us all before
> >> this Budget is voted upon, or would you prefer that we debate this issue
> >for
> >> a few more weeks (following your definition of proper procedure) and allow
> >> the Board to act on this matter without the benefit of our input?
> >
> >I support Danny Younger's position. The least that the Board should
> >do, is make some sort of provision in case there will be elections.
> >
> >Marc Schneiders
> >
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Nominations for Chair of Sub-Lists

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Patrick Corliss wrote:
>[snip]
> GA-TM
> Jonathan Weinberg (seems cool and detached)
>[snip]

	I'm sorry; I can't.  (And *this* time, no flip-flops.)

Jon

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:15:19 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN leaves no money for public elections

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This is a direct violation of everything the iCANN has been created and 
should stand for. It only means that a nomenclatura of less than 30 persons 
is atempting to steal the Internet from the DoC to avoid the privatization. 
With the proposition to close the GA-full ML (i.e. to exclude opponent to 
pseudo-consensus), the deals with VeriSign and NewLevel the pattern is 
obvious.

Time has probably come to organize something real, able to business-resist 
to what amounts now to an irresponsible coup.  First question: is the 
Internet Common Service management now an open business for profit or not?

- - if not: in which way the iCANN policy is hurting our interests?  which 
mutually acceptable organization could we settle for? how may we take over 
the iCANN to return it to its proper mission? (I suppose here "we" means 
the real 80% owners. SME+IDNH.

- - if yes: who is interested in entering this business? I am.  And how? we 
may discuss it on private MLs.

Jefsey

On 04:30 11/05/01, Bruce James said:
><http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/doc00026.doc>ICANN leaves 
>no money for public elections--In its draft budget for 2001-2002, the 
>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers has not allocated any 
>funds for At-Large Elections, in spite of its 
><http://www.icann.org/cairo2000/atlarge-topic.htm>past promises to choose 
>at least five more Board members through this electoral process. This move 
>comes as ICANN moves forward with its so-called 
><http://www.atlargestudy.org/stockholm.shtml>"clean sheet" study, which 
>many observers fear will 
><http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/melbournemeeting.htm>undercut 
>democracy in cyberspace. Further details are available from 
><http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=140&mode=nested&order=0>ICANN 
>Watch; background information on these issues can be found in the 
><http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/newslt10.htm>Cyber-Federalist.
>
>More at:
>
><http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/#highlights>http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/#highlights
>
>http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=140&mode=nested&order=0
>
>
>This is unacceptable!
>
>/Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>

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This is a direct violation of everything the iCANN has been created and
should stand for. It only means that a nomenclatura of less than 30
persons is atempting to steal the Internet from the DoC to avoid the
privatization. With the proposition to close the GA-full ML (i.e. to
exclude opponent to pseudo-consensus), the deals with VeriSign and
NewLevel the pattern is obvious. <br>
<br>
Time has probably come to organize something real, able to
business-resist to what amounts now to an irresponsible coup.&nbsp; First
question: is the Internet Common Service management now an open business
for profit or not?<br>
<br>
- - if not: in which way the iCANN policy is hurting our interests?&nbsp;
which mutually acceptable organization could we settle for? how may we
take over the iCANN to return it to its proper mission? (I suppose here
&quot;we&quot; means the real 80% owners. SME+IDNH.<br>
<br>
- - if yes: who is interested in entering this business? I am.&nbsp; And
how? we may discuss it on private MLs. <br>
<br>
Jefsey<br>
<br>
<br>
On 04:30 11/05/01, Bruce James said:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font size=2><b><a href="http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/doc00026.doc">ICANN
leaves no money for public elections</a></b>--In its draft budget for
2001-2002, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers has
not allocated any funds for At-Large Elections, in spite of its
<a href="http://www.icann.org/cairo2000/atlarge-topic.htm">past
promises</a> to choose at least five more Board members through this
electoral process. This move comes as ICANN moves forward with its
so-called
<a href="http://www.atlargestudy.org/stockholm.shtml">&quot;clean
sheet&quot; study</a>, which many observers fear will
<a href="http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/melbournemeeting.htm">undercut</a>
democracy in cyberspace. Further details are available from <a href="http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=140&amp;mode=nested&amp;order=0">ICANN Watch</a>; background information on these issues can be found in the <a href="http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/newslt10.htm">Cyber-Federalist. </a><br>
&nbsp;<br>
More at:<br>
&nbsp;<br>
<a href="http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/#highlights">http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/#highlights</a><br>
&nbsp;<br>
http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=140&amp;mode=nested&amp;order=0<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
This is unacceptable!<br>
&nbsp;<br>
/Bruce<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:40:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

I hope that wasn't intentionally disengenous.  You may not be aware that
it is currently the case that the membership is currently frozen, the
pages static, registraition closed, and that there is no way for members
to update contact details.  That "mainenance" may or may not be 'lumped'
with something else, but any place you put a zero effort, it's still zero
effort.

On Fri, 11 May 2001, vint cerf wrote:

> ICANN Web site maintenance is lumped with other web work in this budget,
> as I read it - we'll be discussing this budget in Stockholm at the beginning
> of June of course.
> 
> My understanding of the timing for the at-large committee is that it is
> targetted to be done with its work in time for the annual meeting of
> ICANN in Los Angeles in November 2001.
> 
> vint
> 
> 
> At 08:47 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, Michael Froomkin wrote:
> >what about the timing issue?  if the committee were to report in favor of
> >elections, will there be time to hire staff, gear up, get the money?
> >
> >Also, isn't ICANN going to do any 'maintenance' on membership - keep up
> >the web page, allow changes of address etc, so as not to lose whatever
> >momentum may exist?  Failure to do so could be very costly.
> 
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:20:09 -0400
From: "Jon Weinberg" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Vint --

    Here's the crux of the problem:  The ICANN bylaws state that the Board
will "take final action on the [At-Large] study no later than the Annual
Meeting of the Corporation in 2001; and [c.] any actions taken by the Board
as a result of the study that require the selection of any "At Large"
Directors should be implemented on a schedule that will allow any new "At
Large" Directors to be seated no later than the conclusion of the Annual
Meeting of the Corporation in 2002."  (Remember that the terms of the
existing at-large directors expire in 2002.)  But here we see a budget,
running from July 1, 2001 to June 30, 2002, that includes *no* allowance for
any possible expenditures relating to an election, preparation of voter
lists, etc.  The result:  If the Committee should recommend that a new round
of elections should be held, and if the Board should adopt that
recommendation, it will be impossible for the corporation to move forward
with that course of action on the schedule that the by-laws require.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:49:20 -0700
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Austerity measures

Nah, I'm becoming less willing to give them that much credit. I do see it
more as a gradual tightening of control, however. This is along the lines of
boiling live frogs. Over the past 100 years, this has become a standard
governance practice, even/especially in the US. Fortunately, this pot isn't
so large that we can't hop out of it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Marsh [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:32 PM
> To: Michael Froomkin; babybows.com
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: RE: [ga] Austerity measures
> 
> 
> If this is true, is there ANYONE who will bring up the 
> obvious, that this is
> a veiled attempt to quiet voices that are unpopular with ICANN?
> 
> Gene...
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf 
> Of Michael
> > Froomkin
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:39 PM
> > To: babybows.com
> > Cc: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures
> >
> >
> > this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a 
> mailing list?
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> > On Thu, 10 May 2001, babybows.com wrote:
> >
> > > Please be advised that in yesterday's NC teleconference, 
> concerns over
> > > funding and man-hours spent by the DNSO Secretariat in 
> list management
> > > resulted in the NC recommendation to close the GA-full list.
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:07:52 +1000
From: "Alternate Chair, GA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Hi Vint

> ICANN Web site maintenance is lumped with other web work in this budget,
> as I read it - we'll be discussing this budget in Stockholm at the
> beginning of June of course.

I'm afraid it will be very difficult for the DNSO General Assembly to take
part in any debate in Stockholm as neither the Chair or the Alternate Chair
have received any DNSO funding to attend.  My application to Salzburg
Seminar has also been refused.

Would you advise whether ICANN could fund these travel expenses?

Best regards
Alternate Chair

- ----- Original Message -----
From: vint cerf <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Froomkin <[email-masked]>
Cc: Bruce James <[email-masked]>; Danny Younger <[email-masked]>;
Marc Schneiders <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 2001-2002 Budget

> ICANN Web site maintenance is lumped with other web work in this budget,
> as I read it - we'll be discussing this budget in Stockholm at the
beginning
> of June of course.
>
> My understanding of the timing for the at-large committee is that it is
> targetted to be done with its work in time for the annual meeting of
> ICANN in Los Angeles in November 2001.
>
> vint
>
>
> At 08:47 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, Michael Froomkin wrote:
> >what about the timing issue?  if the committee were to report in favor of
> >elections, will there be time to hire staff, gear up, get the money?
> >
> >Also, isn't ICANN going to do any 'maintenance' on membership - keep up
> >the web page, allow changes of address etc, so as not to lose whatever
> >momentum may exist?  Failure to do so could be very costly.
>
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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:17:54 +1000
From: "Alternate Chair, GA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Nominations for Chair of Sub-Lists

Hi William

> Thursday, May 10, 2001, 11:33:37 PM, Patrick Corliss wrote:
> > GA-SYS
> > Joop Ternstra (Domain Name Holders Rights)
> > William X. Walsh (Expert in Registration Systems)
>
> Declined
>
> I also do not see any point in this.

It seems a shame to waste your valuable expertise in registration systems.
You are, without doubt, one of the most knowledgable in this area on the
list.

Do you really not want to help guide the debate in a constructive direction?

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:00:20 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Vint:

    Thank you for your help and understanding.

/Bruce James/

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To: "Jon Weinberg" <[email-masked]>; ""Michael Froomkin - U.Miami
School of Law"" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "Bruce James" <[email-masked]>; "Danny Younger"
<[email-masked]>; "Marc Schneiders" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>
Sent: May 11, 2001 08:56
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 2001-2002 Budget

The upcoming meeting will be a good time to review this

vint

At 10:20 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, Jon Weinberg wrote:
>Vint --
>
>    Here's the crux of the problem:  The ICANN bylaws state that the Board
>will "take final action on the [At-Large] study no later than the Annual
>Meeting of the Corporation in 2001; and [c.] any actions taken by the Board
>as a result of the study that require the selection of any "At Large"
>Directors should be implemented on a schedule that will allow any new "At
>Large" Directors to be seated no later than the conclusion of the Annual
>Meeting of the Corporation in 2002."  (Remember that the terms of the
>existing at-large directors expire in 2002.)  But here we see a budget,
>running from July 1, 2001 to June 30, 2002, that includes *no* allowance
for
>any possible expenditures relating to an election, preparation of voter
>lists, etc.  The result:  If the Committee should recommend that a new
round
>of elections should be held, and if the Board should adopt that
>recommendation, it will be impossible for the corporation to move forward
>with that course of action on the schedule that the by-laws require.
>
>Jon
>
>
>Jonathan Weinberg
>[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:45:20 +1000
From: "Alternate Chair, GA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Thank you, Vint

> I don't know but I've copied Stuart Lynn. I've been operating on the
> assumption that DNSO needed to be self-funded.

(l) Administrative and operational costs of the DNSO shall be funded by DNSO
participants in a manner to be determined by the NC.

Yes, but if the NC can't or won't pay, the GA is left without recourse to
funding.

Regards
Alternate Chair

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:52:14 -0400
From: "L Gallegos" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Austerity measures

On 11 May 2001, at 7:49, Roeland Meyer wrote:

> Nah, I'm becoming less willing to give them that much credit. I do see it
> more as a gradual tightening of control, however. This is along the lines
> of boiling live frogs. Over the past 100 years, this has become a standard
> governance practice, even/especially in the US. Fortunately, this pot isn't
> so large that we can't hop out of it.

Roeland, the frogs (us) get so comfortable at each stage of "heating" 
that they just don't jump out.  That's how it works.  It's almost a done 
deal.  "Tightening of control" is putting it mildly.  It is a coup.

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gene Marsh [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:32 PM
> > To: Michael Froomkin; babybows.com
> > Cc: [email-masked]
> > Subject: RE: [ga] Austerity measures
> > 
> > 
> > If this is true, is there ANYONE who will bring up the 
> > obvious, that this is
> > a veiled attempt to quiet voices that are unpopular with ICANN?
> > 
> > Gene...
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf 
> > Of Michael
> > > Froomkin
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:39 PM
> > > To: babybows.com
> > > Cc: [email-masked]
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures
> > >
> > >
> > > this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a 
> > mailing list?
> > >
> > > --
> > > 		Please visit http://www.icannwatch.org
> > > A. Michael Froomkin   |    Professor of Law    |   [email-masked] U.
> > > Miami School of Law, P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA
> > > +1 (305) 284-4285  |  +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax)  |  http://www.law.tm
> > >                        -->It's hot here.<--
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, babybows.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please be advised that in yesterday's NC teleconference, 
> > concerns over
> > > > funding and man-hours spent by the DNSO Secretariat in 
> > list management
> > > > resulted in the NC recommendation to close the GA-full list.
> > > >
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