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GA-DIGEST             Friday, May 11 2001             Volume 01 : Number 448

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:47:35 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga-ext] Re: [ga] The IC constituency building results so far [was: stuff]

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At 03:28 10/05/01 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>
>
>Joop has seen fit to hold the IDNO up as an example of "democracy" as
>he sees it.
>
Yes, it was set up to be more democratic, accountable and transparent that any
other constituency. 
The exercise has also exposed the weaknesses inherent in "on-line" democracy.
The excessive power of  a single dissenting individual with too much time on
his hands.

>The vigorous opposition to the IDNO does NOT come from those who
>oppose an individual's constituency, but in fact from some of those
>who have most loudly campaigned for one.
>
Who?  People who argued that a constituency could not be an organization? 
"Vigourous opposition" from 3 votes against 43 that ratified the Charter? 
  
>The IDNO is not the example of democracy that it's founder wants to
>portray it as. 

Substantiate. 

 And if he insists on pursuing this line of argument,
>then the entire mess will be documented here in response to these
>false claims.
>
I think it is about time that the public sees this "documentation".
Substantiate or lose all credibility. Not here on the GA list, to respect
Patric and those who are sick of this, but on ga-ext.

Threatening to expose a "mess" , but NEVER substantiating is a tired
tactic. It
has been going on for over 18 months. 
Convincing people that you are right and that the majority is wrong cannot be
done by simply counting on "IDNO fatigue".

>Rehashing this argument right now is most certainly NOT in the best
>interests of getting a domain name holder's constituency acted on, but
>rallying support for the IDNO as the example for that constituency is
>also not in the bests interests of a real constituency along those
>lines.
>
>Joop needs to ask himself if the personal glory he seeks through the
>IDNO is worth the price of having this argument again, 

Everybody will be served by the truth prevailing.  I have nothing to hide or
fear.  Everything is on Public Record.  
No matter what shape an IC will finally take, and no matter who the
personalities in it will be,  it will always be the same issues that need
addressing: representativity and fair majority rule.

and if in fact
>he wants to see the effort to get an individual's constituency harmed
>by his insistence on his personal agenda over the interests of
>actually getting this constituency concept advanced further than it
>has in the past.
>
>Make no mistake about it.  The approval of the IDNO as the domain
>holders constituency, even in spirit, would not be in the best
>interests of those whom it claims to want to represent.  And thus
>those who believe in doing what is best for those domain holders will
>oppose it vociferously.
>

If  WXW believed in doing what is best for Individual DN holders, why does he
not work on a competing organization to represent them?  Why did he stay as a
member inside the IDNO that he publicly denounced at every opportunity? 
Posting 80% or more of the list traffic? Making nuisance motions and calling
for resignations? Obstructing only, but never constructing?

I say: let the majority decide who convinces them on the best way forward for
an IC.

If others will kindly move this discussion to ga-ext, I will only post there.

- --Joop--
Founder of the Cyberspace Association.
Former bootstrap of the IDNO (www.idno.org)
Developer of    The Polling Booth
www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/

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<html><div>At 03:28 10/05/01 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>&gt;Joop has seen fit to hold the IDNO up as an example of
&quot;democracy&quot; as</div>
<div>&gt;he sees it.</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>Yes, it was set up to be more democratic, accountable and
transparent that any other constituency. </div>
<div>The exercise has also exposed the weaknesses inherent in
&quot;on-line&quot; democracy. The excessive power of&nbsp; a single
dissenting individual with too much time on his hands.</div>
<br>
<div>&gt;The vigorous opposition to the IDNO does NOT come from those
who</div>
<div>&gt;oppose an individual's constituency, but in fact from some of
those</div>
<div>&gt;who have most loudly campaigned for one.</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>Who?&nbsp; People who argued that a constituency could not be an
organization?&nbsp; &quot;Vigourous opposition&quot; from 3 votes against
43 that ratified the Charter? </div>
<div>&nbsp; </div>
<div>&gt;The IDNO is not the example of democracy that it's founder wants
to</div>
<div>&gt;portray it as. </div>
<br>
<div>Substantiate. </div>
<br>
<div> And if he insists on pursuing this line of argument,</div>
<div>&gt;then the entire mess will be documented here in response to
these</div>
<div>&gt;false claims.</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>I think it is about time that the public sees this
&quot;documentation&quot;. Substantiate or lose all credibility. Not here
on the GA list, to respect Patric and those who are sick of this, but on
ga-ext.</div>
<br>
<div>Threatening to expose a &quot;mess&quot; , but NEVER substantiating
is a tired tactic. It has been going on for over 18 months. </div>
<div>Convincing people that you are right and that the majority is wrong
cannot be done by simply counting on &quot;IDNO fatigue&quot;.</div>
<br>
<div>&gt;Rehashing this argument right now is most certainly NOT in the
best</div>
<div>&gt;interests of getting a domain name holder's constituency acted
on, but</div>
<div>&gt;rallying support for the IDNO as the example for that
constituency is</div>
<div>&gt;also not in the bests interests of a real constituency along
those</div>
<div>&gt;lines.</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>&gt;Joop needs to ask himself if the personal glory he seeks through
the</div>
<div>&gt;IDNO is worth the price of having this argument again, </div>
<br>
<div>Everybody will be served by the truth prevailing.&nbsp; I have
nothing to hide or fear.&nbsp; Everything is on Public Record.&nbsp;
</div>
<div>No matter what shape an IC will finally take, and no matter who the
personalities in it will be,&nbsp; it will always be the same issues that
need addressing: representativity and fair majority rule.</div>
<br>
<br>
<div>and if in fact</div>
<div>&gt;he wants to see the effort to get an individual's constituency
harmed</div>
<div>&gt;by his insistence on his personal agenda over the interests
of</div>
<div>&gt;actually getting this constituency concept advanced further than
it</div>
<div>&gt;has in the past.</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>&gt;Make no mistake about it.&nbsp; The approval of the IDNO as the
domain</div>
<div>&gt;holders constituency, even in spirit, would not be in the
best</div>
<div>&gt;interests of those whom it claims to want to represent.&nbsp;
And thus</div>
<div>&gt;those who believe in doing what is best for those domain holders
will</div>
<div>&gt;oppose it vociferously.</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<br>
<div>If&nbsp; WXW believed in doing what is best for Individual DN
holders, why does he not work on a competing organization to represent
them?&nbsp; Why did he stay as a member inside the IDNO that he publicly
denounced at every opportunity?&nbsp; Posting 80% or more of the list
traffic? Making nuisance motions and calling for resignations?
Obstructing only, but never constructing?</div>
<br>
<div>I say: let the majority decide who convinces them on the best way
forward for an IC.</div>
<br>
<div>If others will kindly move this discussion to ga-ext, I will only
post there.</div>
<br>
 
<br>

- --Joop--<br>
Founder of the Cyberspace Association.<br>
Former bootstrap of the IDNO
(<a href="http://www.idno.org/" eudora="autourl">www.idno.org</a>)<br>
Developer of&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font face="Impact">The Polling 
Booth<br>
</font><a href="http://www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/" eudora="autourl">www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/</a><br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:32:24 -0400
From: "Gene Marsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] Austerity measures

If this is true, is there ANYONE who will bring up the obvious, that this is
a veiled attempt to quiet voices that are unpopular with ICANN?

Gene...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Michael
> Froomkin
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:39 PM
> To: babybows.com
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures
>
>
> this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a mailing list?
>
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:41:05 -0500
From: Andy Gardner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga-ext] Re: [ga] The IC constituency building results so   far [was: stuff]

At 11:47 am +1200 5/11/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>At 03:28 10/05/01 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>>
>>
>>Joop has seen fit to hold the IDNO up as an example of "democracy" as
>>he sees it.
>>
>Yes, it was set up to be more democratic, accountable and transparent that
>any other constituency.
>The exercise has also exposed the weaknesses inherent in "on-line"
>democracy. The excessive power of  a single dissenting individual with too
>much time on his hands.

Jesus, Joop, don't you ever learn?

>
>>The vigorous opposition to the IDNO does NOT come from those who
>>oppose an individual's constituency, but in fact from some of those
>>who have most loudly campaigned for one.
>>
>Who?  People who argued that a constituency could not be an organization?
>"Vigourous opposition" from 3 votes against 43 that ratified the Charter?

That Charter was the thing that finally paralysed the IDNO.

>
>>The IDNO is not the example of democracy that it's founder wants to
>>portray it as.
>
>Substantiate.

Joop, let's not spread the IDNO crap to this list, huh?

Let's just forget ALL ABOUT IT, and start things afresh. If you continue to
trumpet the IDNO, we'll still be trying to get an IDNHC in 10 years time.

>
>And if he insists on pursuing this line of argument,
>>then the entire mess will be documented here in response to these
>>false claims.
>>
>I think it is about time that the public sees this "documentation".
>Substantiate or lose all credibility. Not here on the GA list, to respect
>Patric and those who are sick of this, but on ga-ext.
>
>Threatening to expose a "mess" , but NEVER substantiating is a tired
>tactic. It has been going on for over 18 months.
>Convincing people that you are right and that the majority is wrong cannot
>be done by simply counting on "IDNO fatigue".
>
>>Rehashing this argument right now is most certainly NOT in the best
>>interests of getting a domain name holder's constituency acted on, but
>>rallying support for the IDNO as the example for that constituency is
>>also not in the bests interests of a real constituency along those
>>lines.
>>
>>Joop needs to ask himself if the personal glory he seeks through the
>>IDNO is worth the price of having this argument again,
>
>Everybody will be served by the truth prevailing.

No. One side will be served. And everyone's effort to get individual's
represented properly in ICANN will be put back another 2 years.

>I have nothing to hide or fear.  Everything is on Public Record.

Do you want me to post that email you sent to the Steering Committee? If I
was the one who penned that acidic piece, I'd certainly not be particularly
proud of it.

>No matter what shape an IC will finally take, and no matter who the
>personalities in it will be,  it will always be the same issues that need
>addressing: representativity and fair majority rule.

Exactly, so why drag out the IDNO skeltons?

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We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:49:21 EDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: [ga] Names Council Meeting

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Where can I get information about what happened at the Names Council meeting 
on May 9th?

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:09:58 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re[2]: [ga-ext] Re: [ga] The IC constituency building results so  far [was: stuff]

Hello Joop,

Thursday, May 10, 2001, 4:47:35 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 03:28 10/05/01 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>>
>>
>>Joop has seen fit to hold the IDNO up as an example of "democracy" as
>>he sees it.
>>
> Yes, it was set up to be more democratic, accountable and transparent that any
> other constituency.

No, it was set up to instill you as the titular representative of what
YOU think is in the best interests of domain name owners, and anyone
who didn't agree with you became subject to your accusations of being
a traitor, or became a target of manipulation by you so that you could
maintain your stranglehold over the IDNO.

>  
> The exercise has also exposed the weaknesses inherent in "on-line" democracy.
> The excessive power of  a single dissenting individual with too much time on
> his hands.

A single dissenting individual?

I'll stick my neck out here, because in this case Joop, you are flat
out lying.

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William X Walsh
mailto:[email-masked]
Owner, Userfriendly.com
Userfriendly.com Domains
The most advanced domain lookup tool on the net

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:30:54 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] ICANN leaves no money for public elections

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a.. ICANN leaves no money for public elections--In its draft budget for
2001-2002, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers has not
allocated any funds for At-Large Elections, in spite of its past promises to
choose at least five more Board members through this electoral process. This
move comes as ICANN moves forward with its so-called "clean sheet" study,
which many observers fear will undercut democracy in cyberspace. Further
details are available from ICANN Watch; background information on these
issues can be found in the Cyber-Federalist.

More at:

http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/#highlights

http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=140&mode=nested&order=0

This is unacceptable!

/Bruce

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:40:00 -0700
From: Bret Fausett <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] MP3 Webcast of Names Council Meeting

[email-masked] wrote:
> Where can I get information about what happened at the Names Council meeting
> on May 9th? 

The audio archive should be here:

   http://www.lextext.com/nc05092001.html

Sorry for the delay in posting this, but I'm presently away from broadband
access and tried to upload the mp3 several times but had dropped
connections. I *think* I eventually uploaded a complete file, but let me
know if there are problems. I have a complete file on my laptop, and if I
need to upload a new version, I'll do it over the weekend.

       -- Bret

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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:38:25 -0700
From: "William S. Lovell" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures AND ga-full

So clue in a clueless newbie, here, huh?  I'd not looked into the ga-full list,
so when I
saw this I assumed (not too unreasonably, I hope) that it was a means by which
one
could in one fell swoop subscribe to all of the ga lists. So I figured what's
the big deal?
- -- one subscribes one at a time.  But then I looked and find the ga-full list
characterized
as follows:

"Those who do not accept the General Assembly list rules may subscribe to
ga-full list"

That is, those do not want to observe a minimum level of decorum, and so on.  So
now
I must say even louder, "what's the big deal?" Toning down the rhetorical slash
and burn
is tough enough in a list that seeks to follow the rules; why should there be a
(no doubt
largely duplicative) list in which it's no holds barred?  Clue me in, huh?

Curmudgeon I may be, but in these lists I would propose another yardstick:
"Would you say it out loud in church? Would you say it in court? Would you
say it in front of your mother or your eight-year old child?"

(Now that elections bit I see here in another email is quite another kettle of
fish; that
needs looked into.)

Bill Lovell

Gene Marsh wrote:

> If this is true, is there ANYONE who will bring up the obvious, that this is
> a veiled attempt to quiet voices that are unpopular with ICANN?
>
> Gene...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Froomkin
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:39 PM
> > To: babybows.com
> > Cc: [email-masked]
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures
> >
> >
> > this is a joke, right?  how much time does it take to run a mailing list?
> >
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> >
> > > Please be advised that in yesterday's NC teleconference, concerns over
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:57:48 +1000
From: "Alternate Chair, GA" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Austerity measures AND ga-full

Hi William

On Friday, May 11, 2001 1:38 PM (AEST), you wrote

> So clue in a clueless newbie, here, huh?

I've replied to you email on [ga-int].  I hope you don't mind.
That is a better forum for discussing the mailing lists.

Best regards
Alternate Chair

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:33:37 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Nominations for Chair of Sub-Lists

Chair, GA

After careful consideration, I think that everyone is too shy to volunteer
to be Chair of any of the sublists.  I see the following persons as ideal
and nominate each of them as Chair.  Where there are two it's because I
can't choose between them.  Others may wish to nominate.

GA-ROOTS
Marilyn Cade (unbiaused and competent)

GA-EXT
William S. Lovell (understands complexities)
David P. Farrar (same and very analytical)

GA-INT
Darryl Lynch (interest in rules & protocols)
Jefsey Morfin (good for stimulating debate)

GA-REVIEW
Sotiris Sotiropoulos (experience with review)

GA-SYS
Joop Ternstra (Domain Name Holders Rights)
William X. Walsh (Expert in Registration Systems)

GA-TM
Jonathan Weinberg (seems cool and detached)

Any comments, seconders ??
We have to move this process forward.

Best Regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:45:30 -0400
From: "Danny Younger" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] 2001-2002 Budget

To the members of the Budget Group and Finance Committee:

The membership of the General Assembly understands that you have advised the
President of ICANN with respect to the proposed budget for 2001-2002.  We
are concerned by published reports that this proposed budget has not
allocated any funds for At-Large Elections, in spite of past promises to
choose at least five more Board members through this electoral process.  We
would appreciate the benefit of your thoughts on this matter.

Danny Younger
GA Chair

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:06:03 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Nominations for Chair of Sub-Lists

Hello Patrick,

Thursday, May 10, 2001, 11:33:37 PM, Patrick Corliss wrote:
> GA-SYS
> Joop Ternstra (Domain Name Holders Rights)
> William X. Walsh (Expert in Registration Systems)

Declined

I also do not see any point in this.

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:07:51 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] 2001-2002 Budget

Hello Danny,

Thursday, May 10, 2001, 11:45:30 PM, Danny Younger wrote:

> To the members of the Budget Group and Finance Committee:

> The membership of the General Assembly understands that you have advised the
> President of ICANN with respect to the proposed budget for 2001-2002.  We
> are concerned by published reports that this proposed budget has not
> allocated any funds for At-Large Elections, in spite of past promises to
> choose at least five more Board members through this electoral process.  We
> would appreciate the benefit of your thoughts on this matter.

The GA has not expressed any such concern.

I suggest that the GA Chair should not indicate to be speaking for the
GA unless he has the expressed support from the GA for that statement.

In this case, he speaks only for himself, and his comments should be
given only that weight as they would from any one individual.

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:45:29 -0400
From: "Danny Younger" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

William,

Would you rather get answers for the questions that affect us all before
this Budget is voted upon, or would you prefer that we debate this issue for
a few more weeks (following your definition of proper procedure) and allow
the Board to act on this matter without the benefit of our input?

Perhaps you would care to list the members of this Assembly that are "not"
concerned by this issue.  I think that I speak for all of us who are seeking
an ICANN that is more representative.

It is my job to assess the sentiment of this Assembly.  This Assembly has
through its debates and motions expressed a desire to have ICANN become a
more fully representative body.  I do not require a motion, ballot and
voting procedure to verify this self-evident conclusion.

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:46:39 -0400
From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] 2001-2002 Budget

Danny Younger wrote:

> To the members of the Budget Group and Finance Committee:
>
> The membership of the General Assembly understands that you have advised the
> President of ICANN with respect to the proposed budget for 2001-2002.  We
> are concerned by published reports that this proposed budget has not
> allocated any funds for At-Large Elections,

[speaking entirely for myself]
damn shamefaced!  Why the hell did they even bother to give Pindar and crew the
450 grand?  to sit around twiddling their thumbs?  hey Kendall, here's another
theme for your ICANNstage.   I guess their at-large study website includes a
whole lot of MAINTENANCE COSTS!  LOL  too much activity going on over there, for
sure!

I am not angry, not in the least bit.

RRRROOOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!! <beats his chest savagely>

> in spite of past promises to
> choose at least five more Board members through this electoral process.

Shame!

> We
> would appreciate the benefit of your thoughts on this matter.

Yeah, and just skip the malarkey and give it to us straight for once!  We're all
grown-ups here...

Best Regards,

Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:25:46 -0700
From: "William X. Walsh" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  2001-2002 Budget

Hello Danny,

Friday, May 11, 2001, 12:45:29 AM, Danny Younger wrote:

> William,

> Would you rather get answers for the questions that affect us all before
> this Budget is voted upon, or would you prefer that we debate this issue for
> a few more weeks (following your definition of proper procedure) and allow
> the Board to act on this matter without the benefit of our input?

I think that if there is not time to follow proper process, and make
sure that you are correct in your characterization, that you should
properly identify that, and speak only as an individual, and then
individuals who agree with you are free to support your posting, again
as individuals.

You have no mandate to speak for the GA without a process by which the
actual consensus of the GA was achieved.

The GA Chair is not an activist or representative position.

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