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GA-DIGEST            Sunday, April 22 2001            Volume 01 : Number 412

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:17:27 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Additional Mailing Lists

On Sunday, April 22, 2001 8:32 AM (AEST), Danny Younger wrote:

> Having reviewed the requests of the members of the General Assembly,
> please note our expectation to establish the following lists:
>
> a. Rules and Procedures of the General Assembly [rules]
> b. Participation, Website, Outreach and Education [outreach]
> c. Finance & Funding Support [funding]
> d. Ongoing DNSO Review [review]
> e. Individuals Constituency [ic]
> f. Alternate Roots [roots]
> g. UDRP & WIPO Recommendations [udrp]
> h. Privacy & WHOIS [whois]

Hi Danny

I am sure you will find that eight mailing lists will be too many to handle.
It may be that (d) will overlap with some of the others.  You will also agree
that some of these mailing lists represent a short-term objective after which
they will be abandoned in favour of new mailing lists.

Rather that set up temporary mailing lists, for a limited time, I would
suggest that we consider stable, long-term mailing lists to which a
discussion "reference" can be made as appropriate.

Consensus, which includes the constituency structure, defines the GA's
"external" relationships both with the public and with the ICANN Board.  This
compares with "internal" processes.  As both include aspects of accountability
this does not need separate treatment.   There are, therefore, *five* separate
categorisations as follows:

EXTERNAL RELATIONSHIPS
    ICANN Directors & Accountability
    Names Council & other SOs
    Outreach & Constituencies
    Website & Communication

INTERNAL PROCESSES
    Accountability
    Electoral Procedures
    List Rules & Protocols
    Mailing List Management

REGISTRATION (i.e. existing systems)
    Registrant/Whois Privacy
    Registrar Accreditation, QA
    Registry-Registrar Separation
    Verisign Agreement (incl. .org)

COMPETITIVE ROOTS
    Alternate Root Systems (Colliders)
    Multilingual DNS

TRADE MARKS-IP
    Dispute Resolution
    WIPO-2

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:17:29 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Motion to Establish FIVE New Working Groups

Under normal Rules of Order, an amendment must be considered, and dealt with,
before the original motion can be addressed.   I therefore amend all existing
motions relating to working groups or mailing lists to read as follows:

It is hereby MOVED that five working groups be established within the DNSO
General Assembly with the following aims, purposes and objectives:

(1) External Relationships:  To consider, build and enhance the General
Assembly's relationship with all external parties including, but not limited
to, the ICANN Board, ICANN as a body, the Names Council, other Supporting
Organisations, other internet organisations and the general public.

(2) Internal Processes: To consider, build and enhance the General Assembly's
internal control processes including, but not limited to, its accountability
structures, electoral procedures, debating processes, mailing list rules and
system of management.

(3) Registration:   To consider and recommend improvements to all of ICANN's
existing registration policies, practices and procedures including, but not
limited to registry-registrar separation, registrar accreditation, quality
assurance and registrant/whois privacy as well as any contracts or agreements
in these or related areas.

(4) Competitive Roots:  To consider and recommend policy improvements in
relation to ICANN's relationship with external or competitive root systems
including, but not limited to, what has been called alternate or inclusive
roots, colliding top-level domains and multilingual DNS systems.

(5) Trade Marks & IP:  To consider and recommend policy improvements in
relation to the use of domain names as a speech mechanism including, but not
limited to, its use for advertising, promotion, protest and criticism
particularly where such use may infringe on the rights or interests of other
parties such as trade-mark holders.

For convenience of administration and communication, it is further proposed
that these five Working Groups be provided with basic necessary resources
including, but not limited to, mailing lists and secretarial support.
<end motion>

I see these groups as very flexible in that, between them, they cover almost
every aspect of our work.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:27:22 -0400
From: "babybows.com" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] On Motions

My thoughts on "motions":

"The DNSO General Assembly is composed of those persons who want to be
members of that assembly.  At present, this includes "ex-officio" the
subscribers to the GA-lists, the participants to the DNSO Constituencies and
the participants to the Working Groups."
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-working-procedures.html

At this time, we have:

a. 300 members listed in the GA Voting Registry
b. no listed membership records for the Intellectual Property Constituency
c. approximately 180 Registrars (each with more than one participant)
d. 165 members of the Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Constituency
e. The Internet Service Providers' and Connectivity Providers' constituency
has 38 members
f. The gTLD Constituency will soon have 8 members
g. The business Constituency has 68 members currently listed
h. CcTLDs - 245
i. Additional former working group participants not in above - unknown

By my count, the composition of the General Assembly thereby includes over
1000 voices.  At this time I cannot even be sure that the DNSO Secretariat's
Announce List includes all of these members, but this matter will be
reviewed in due course.

What I am sure of is that when the GA last tackled a major concern (for
instance the issue of the .org charter), only 12 members cast an affirmative
or negative opinion.  http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc06/msg01414.html

Had this been a response to a formally seconded motion, I am confident that
there are those who would have been loudly declaring **consensus of the
GA!!!** on the basis of the 7 votes that prevailed.  I choose to call it
what it is... a pathetic response from an organization that suffers from an
acute lack of participation.

It is this horrid lack of participation that invalidates all our efforts and
denies the GA its legitimacy.

Our goal is to have "substantive" discussion that involves a large number -
let me repeat - large number of our members followed by a motion and a
second to generate a ballot, which when accepted by the Chair will result in
a vote being taken.  I have yet to see either widespread substantive
discussion on an issue followed by a motion, or participation to a degree
that would validate putting our volunteer Secretariat through several hours
of work per ballot.  The Secretariat is not the employee of the GA.  I will
not allow her generosity of spirit to be abused by the frivolous motions
being put forth by members that could just as easily have chosen recourse to
a polling booth or to additional posts to make their collective sentiment
known.

I have noted these motions (among others):

I move that the GA form a WG to examine the finances of each of the
directors, and to recommend the removal of all directors with any conflicts
of interest.  **** (WGs are created by the NC, not the GA;  ICANN ByLaws
already provide for removal of directors; limited discussion on removal of
directors was started in a thread by Siegfried Langenbach)

I move that the GA form a WG to examine the desirablitiy of turning ICANN
into a for-profit corporation.  **** (WGs are created by the NC, not the GA;
there has been almost no discussion on this topic)

I move that the GA petition the NC for the immediate adoption of the GA as a
constituency.  **** (ICANN ByLaws grant no such powers to the NC; some
discussion of the topic of a GA Constituency in the Review  Working Group,
but none in the GA as of late)

I move that control of all DNSO mailing lists be immediately turned over to
a committee of volunteers, chaired by Kent Crispin.     ***** (the GA has no
authority over the NC mailing lists; committees should elect their own
Chairs)

I move that the GA forward a resolution to the NC calling for the immediate
suspension of the UDRP.  **** (any member of the GA has a right under the
Bylaws to petition the NC to consider a domain name policy issue... this
action requires no motion)

motion to the Chair to create a dedicated sub-ML to the end of discussing
and documenting the request of a WG to review and advise the management of
the Inclusive Name Space by the ICANN.  **** (NC is already considering a
petition to establish such a working group, and a GA topical mailing list on
this issue has been proposed and awaits near-term inauguration)

I move that the General Assembly set up a WIPO mailing list to discuss the
third interim report of the second WIPO Internet Domain Name Process.  *****
(Such a GA list is now pending)

I move that the General Assembly set up a DNSO Review mailing list to
continue discussion on ways to improve the structure and functioning of the
DNSO  **** (Such a GA list is now pending)

I move that the General Assembly set up an alternative roots mailing list to
provide a specific forum for the subject in terms of what bearing if any
they have on ICANN  **** (Such a GA list is now pending)

I will quote LDG because I share this view:  "A motion is the step prior to
a vote and should not be brought
until there  has been enough discussion and background to warrant it."
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg01110.html  I will not
acknowledge any motion that has not had the benefit of widespread member
involvement and exhaustive debate.   We will soon have a number of new
mailing lists, each of which can result in a committee that can generate a
consensus-based report after a reasonable period of discussion on the part
of a reasonable amount of interested parties.  The  GA Chair will be
delighted to accept motions that may lead to the adoption of committee
reports that may then be put forward as a reflection of the consensus of the
GA.

First you bring in more members, then you work, then you motion, then you
vote.    If you have good recommendations, suggestions, you do not need a
motion to put them forth.

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:33:04 +1200
From: Joop Teernstra <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] DNSO/GA Blocking and other concerns

At 17:53 21/04/01 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote:

>Five motions should be enough for today.  My good friend Jeff Williams
>will be seconding these momentarily. 

If all else fails, ridicule and use the "JW argument".

I will be coming up with a few
>dozen more, tomorrow.  I know that some of these are going to be
>unpopular, but I agree with you totally that it is vitally important
>that every one of them be taken to a full vote of the GA...
>

I did not say that, Kent. 
But I do think that when serious members of this GA make motions and other
members second these, the Chair should acknowledge them, perhaps open
debate, hear opposition if any and , yes, propose a Polling Text and list
them for a full vote if that's the outcome of the debate.
What is so scary to you about a GA vote?

The Polling Booth will enable the Chair to list 10 or even 20 of such
motions that can go for a vote, and they can all be dealt with at the same
time.

The Chair can act as a "leader" and drive this Assembly forward according
to his own idea's, or he can seek a mandate from all of us.
Especially on procedural matters, I think the latter is preferable.

At least with Voting we could move on. The GA members on the whole are sane
enough to be trusted with their  vote. The Voters will send Rubbish motions
to the rubbish bin.

- --joop 

The Polling Booth
http://www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:49:46 -0400
From: "babybows.com" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Re:  Additional Mailing Lists

Hi Patrick,

Please keep in mind my comment, "This proposed collection of lists will
further be discussed by the General Assembly in the course of the next few
days".  The lists that I proposed are only a suggestion, and I am expecting
the GA to make up its own mind regarding the way forward with regard to
these mailing lists.   You will note that many of the proposed lists reflect
the recommendations (motions) already put forward by the membership.

Best regards,
Danny

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:01:15 +1200
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Agenda for the Stockholm Meeting

Sounds a better way of doing things.  The groupings seem quite logical

DPF

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:45:36 +1000, Patrick Corliss wrote:

>Thank you, David.  Some of these can easily be tidied up:
>Perhaps there could be six semi-permanent working groups.
>Each group could then set their own priorities.
>
>ACCOUNTABILITY
>    Conflict of Interests
>    ICANN Directors
>
>CONSENSUS
>    Constituency Structure
>    Outreach & Participation
>    Website & Communication
>
>INTERNAL PROCESSES
>    Electoral Procedures
>    Finance & Funding
>    List Rules & Protocols
>    Mailing List Facilities
>
>COMPETITIVE ROOTS
>    Alternate Root Systems (Colliders)
>    Multilingual DNS
>
>REGISTRATION
>    Registrant/Whois Privacy
>    Registrar Accreditation, QA
>    Registry-Registrar Separation
>    Verisign Agreement (incl. .org)
>
>TRADE MARKS-IP
>    Dispute Resolution
>    WIPO-2
>
>
>Best regards
>Patrick Corliss
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DPF <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>
>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [ga] Agenda for the Stockholm Meeting
>
>
>On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:02:52 +1000, you wrote:
>
>>Could I ask the floor whether the following list is complete?  It already
>>includes the Chair's concerns on "Registrant/Whois Privacy" and anything else
>>I can think of.  I appreciate Joop's point that some motions have already
>been
>>proposed to the Chair.
>
>I think if anything it is too complete.  I think that it will be
>beyond our capability to even scratch the surface of so many topics.
>It is useful having them all listed but for my 2c I would concentrate
>on:
>
>>> Consensus Process
>>> Constituency Structure
>>> Electoral Procedures
>>> Finance & Funding Support
>>> Individual Constituency
>>> List Rules & Protocols
>>> Mailing List Facilities
>>> Names Council Relationship
>>> Voting and Electoral Issues
>>> Website & Communication
>>> Working Groups
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:04:41 +1200
From: DPF <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Practical support to Chair{s] propositions/efforts

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:38:52 +0200, Jefsey wrote:

>a)  I propose that [dnso-ga-man] is moderated by Patrick
>b)  I would be very interested in some English speaking person
>      moderating the  "WG-INSM Proposition to the NC" and leading
>      the writing of the letter
>c)  I suppose that DPF will want to moderate the WIPO ML?

DPF couldn't think of anything worse :-)

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:14:47 -0400
From: Sotiris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Practical support to Chair{s] propositions/efforts

To be honest, I was kind of sweet on the WIPO List myself.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

DPF wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:38:52 +0200, Jefsey wrote:
>
> >a)  I propose that [dnso-ga-man] is moderated by Patrick
> >b)  I would be very interested in some English speaking person
> >      moderating the  "WG-INSM Proposition to the NC" and leading
> >      the writing of the letter
> >c)  I suppose that DPF will want to moderate the WIPO ML?
>
> DPF couldn't think of anything worse :-)
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:22:14 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  Additional Mailing Lists

On Sunday, April 22, 2001 8:49 PM (AEST), Danny Younger wrote:
Subject: [ga] Re: Additional Mailing Lists

> Hi Patrick,
>
> Please keep in mind my comment, "This proposed collection of lists will
> further be discussed by the General Assembly in the course of the next few
> days".  The lists that I proposed are only a suggestion, and I am expecting
> the GA to make up its own mind regarding the way forward with regard to
> these mailing lists.   You will note that many of the proposed lists reflect
> the recommendations (motions) already put forward by the membership.

Thank you, Danny.

Perhaps the GA membership will consider whether they prefer five:

(1)    [ga-ext]    External Relationships  (constituencies et al)
(2)    [ga-int]     Internal Processes  (list rules, elections etc.)
(3)    [ga-reg]    Registration  (whois, existing systems)
(4)    [ga-rts]     Competitive Roots  (alts & multilinguals)
(5)    [ga-tip]     Trademarks & IP  (UDRP & WIPO-2)

eight:

> a. Rules and Procedures of the General Assembly [rules]
> b. Participation, Website, Outreach and Education [outreach]
> c. Finance & Funding Support [funding]
> d. Ongoing DNSO Review [review]
> e. Individuals Constituency [ic]
> f. Alternate Roots [roots]
> g. UDRP & WIPO Recommendations [udrp]
> h. Privacy & WHOIS [whois]

or some other model.

As I understand it we are not just talking mailing lists but the whole Working
Group set up including Chairs and secretarial support.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:57:15 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Collisions in Namespace

On Friday, April 13, 2001 4:51 PM (AEST)
Jeff Field <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Quick question...does anyone know if there are other currently operational
> alternative root servers besides the ORSC alternative root?  I know there
> used to be at least a few.  Anyone?

Hi Jeff

Sorry for the delay.  This is what it looks like to me (including Verisign).
Please take care - some of this data needs to be checked and verified.
In particular, many will debate over who should be included as a root.

In alphabetical order, the following list may be used as a guide:

ALTNIC (Diane M. Boling)
Alternic.org
1421 Willever St.
Plainfield, NJ 07063
United States of America
Email:                   [email-masked]
Fax:                       +1 (908) 561-8511
Tel:                       +1 (908) 561-8511
Root Servers:      http://www.alternic.org/db.cache
TLDs:                   http://www.alternic.org/TLDS/
Website:              http://www.alternic.org/
Zone File:            Not Known

AURSC - IRSC (Adam Todd)
Australian Root Server Confederation
PO Box 174
Roseville  NSW  2069
AUSTRALIA
Email:                    [email-masked]
Tel:                       +61 2 8825 6150
Root Servers:      ftp://ftp.ah.net/rsc/aursc/
TLDs :                  http://www.irsc.ah.net/aursc_tlds_aursc.html
Website:              http://www.aursc.ah.net/
Zone File:            Not Known

CINICS (Jefsey Morfin)
Common Interest Network Information Center Society
Centre SIAT - 4 B, rue de la Ceinture
78000 Versailles - France
Email:           [email-masked]
Tel:               Not known
Website:      http://cinic.org/
Zone File:     Not Known

DOMAINSYS
Domain Name Systems, Inc
1811 Englewood Road
Suite 230
Englewood, FL, 34223
United States of America
Email:    Gord Jeske <[email-masked]>
Tel:    +1 (888) 923-7677
Tel:    +1 (888) 366 6617
Tel:    +1 (941) 473 1779
Website:    http://www.domainnamesystems.com/

DOMISLAND
Domain Island
c/o E=MC² Corporation
3511 Silverside Road, Suite 105
Wilmington, Delaware, 19810.
United States of America
Email:                  [email-masked]
Fax :                     Not Known
Tel:                      Not Known
Root Servers:     http://www.domainisland.com/di/html/rootservers.htm
TLDs:                  http://www.domainisland.com/di/html/rules.htm
Website:            http://domainisland.com/
Zone File:           Not Known

IDNS
i-DNS.net International, Inc
439 Hamilton Ave Suite 2
Palo Alto CA 94301
United States of America
Email:          [email-masked]
Fax :             +1 650 566 9113
Tel:              +1 650 566 9020
Website:    http://www.i-dns.net/
Zone File:     Not Known

NARSC (Ron Kimball)
North American Root Server Confederation
Starfire Systems
400 NW Main St.
Douglas, MA 01516-2204
United States of America
Email:        Ron Kimball <[email-masked]>
Email:        <[email-masked]>
Tel:            +1 (508) 476 7617
Tel:            +1 (603) 761 8301
Website:    http://www.sroot.net/
Zone File:     Not Known

NAMESPACE (Paul Garrin)
Name.Space
11 East 4th Street 2nd Floor
New York, NY 10003
United States of America
Email:          [email-masked]
Fax:            +1 (212) 677-3603
Tel:            +1 (212) 677-4080
Root Servers:     http://namespace.org/admin/index.shtml#admin
TLDs:                  http://name.space.xs2.net/gTLDs/
Website:             http://www.namespace.org/
Zone File:            http://the-root.zone.xs2.net/

NEWNET
New.Net, Inc.
130 West Union Street
Pasadena, CA 91103
United States of America
Email:                     [email-masked]
Fax:                        +1 (626) 229-7801
Tel:                        +1 (626) 229-7800
Root Servers:       ftp://ftp.new.net/domain/bind/named.cache
TLDs:                    Refer to the web site.
Website:               http://www.new.net/
Zone File:             ftp://ftp.new.net/domain/root.zone

NEWROOT (Xennt Xennt)
secret address 1
bunker city, dl 6969 dl
neutral zone
Email:                [email-masked]
Fax:                    Not known
Tel:                    Not known
Website:           http://www.newroot.net/
Zone File:

OPENNIC (Robin Bandy)
The OpenNIC
65 Eastwood Court
Oakland, CA 94611
United States of America
Email:                  Robin Bandy <[email-masked]>
Email:                  [email-masked]
Fax:                      Not known
Tel:                      +1 (510) 338-0726
Root Servers:     http://www.opennic.unrated.net/public_servers.html
TLDs:                  http://www.opennic.unrated.net/tlds.html
Website:             http://www.opennic.unrated.net/
Zone File:            http://www.opennic.unrated.net/tld-root.txt

ORSC - VRx  (Richard J. Sexton)
Open Root Server Confederation, Inc.
Maitland House,
Bannockburn,
Ontario, CANADA, K0K 1Y0
Email:               [email-masked]
Fax:
Tel:                  +1 (613) 473-1719
Root Servers:   http://support.open-rsc.org/servers/
TLDs:               No list available. Refer to zone file.
TLD Finder:    http://tldfind.open-rsc.org/
Website:          http://www.open-rsc.org/
Zone File:        ftp://dns.vrx.net/pub/db.root
Zone File:         http://dns.vrx.net/tech/rootzone/db.root

PACROOT (Bradley D. Thornton)
The PacificRoot/Joint Technologies Ltd
1046-A Calle Recodo
San Clemente, CA 92673
United States of America
Email:                  [email-masked]
Fax:                     +1 (603) 658-5516
Tel:                      +1 (949) 361-1158
Root Servers:
TLDs :                  http://www.pacificroot.com/register.shtml#newtlds
Website:              http://www.pacificroot.com/
Zone File:             http://www.pacroot/rootzone/
Zone File:             http://www.PacificRoot.com/rootzone

TINC (Jeff Fisher)
The Internet Namespace Co-operative
40 E. Timberline Dr.
Blue Grass, Iowa 52726
United States of America
Admin Contact:     [email-masked]
Email:                       [email-masked]
Fax:
Tel:                           +1 (319) 294-1529
Root Servers :        http://www.tinc-org.com/trns.txt
Website:                 http://www.tinc-org.com/
Zone File:                http://www.tinc-org.com/db.root.tinc.txt

VERISIGN-GRS    (.com, .net and .org)
VeriSign Global Registry Services
21345 Ridgetop Circle
Dulles, VA 20166
United States of America
Email:         [email-masked]
Fax:
Tel:               +1 (703) 948-3200
Website:      http://www.verisign-grs.com/
Zone File:    http://www.verisign-grs.com/dns/dnspro.html

Regards
Patrick Corliss

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:06:05 -0500
From: Bruce James <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Motions

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>>Motion 2: I move that the GA form a WG to examine the desirablitiy of
 turning ICANN into a for-profit corporation.<<

I hereby object to this motion #2, due to the fact that the contact with the
US DoC *requires* a non-profit organization.

/Bruce
"Let us reason together."

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:24:05 -0400
From: Sotiris <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:  Additional Mailing Lists

With all due respect, Patrick, I think it would be wise to leave aside the topic
of competitive roots.  This, because  the competitive roots topic is really not an
ICANN relevant topic; the ICANN intransigence on competitive roots is firmly
entrenched and IMHO it will take a miracle to get the BoD to even comment on
altroots.  Afetr all, competitive roots are just that: competition.  As far as I
can see, the competitive root topic is a dead end at this point, one which will
waste much time and produce absolutely nothing substantive.  We all saw how that
discussion went recently on this ML, why let it happen again?  I think we should
stick to ICANN-related matters at this juncture.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> On Sunday, April 22, 2001 8:49 PM (AEST), Danny Younger wrote:
> Subject: [ga] Re: Additional Mailing Lists
>
> > Hi Patrick,
> >
> > Please keep in mind my comment, "This proposed collection of lists will
> > further be discussed by the General Assembly in the course of the next few
> > days".  The lists that I proposed are only a suggestion, and I am expecting
> > the GA to make up its own mind regarding the way forward with regard to
> > these mailing lists.   You will note that many of the proposed lists reflect
> > the recommendations (motions) already put forward by the membership.
>
> Thank you, Danny.
>
> Perhaps the GA membership will consider whether they prefer five:
>
> (1)    [ga-ext]    External Relationships  (constituencies et al)
> (2)    [ga-int]     Internal Processes  (list rules, elections etc.)
> (3)    [ga-reg]    Registration  (whois, existing systems)
> (4)    [ga-rts]     Competitive Roots  (alts & multilinguals)
> (5)    [ga-tip]     Trademarks & IP  (UDRP & WIPO-2)
>
> eight:
>
> > a. Rules and Procedures of the General Assembly [rules]
> > b. Participation, Website, Outreach and Education [outreach]
> > c. Finance & Funding Support [funding]
> > d. Ongoing DNSO Review [review]
> > e. Individuals Constituency [ic]
> > f. Alternate Roots [roots]
> > g. UDRP & WIPO Recommendations [udrp]
> > h. Privacy & WHOIS [whois]
>
> or some other model.
>
> As I understand it we are not just talking mailing lists but the whole Working
> Group set up including Chairs and secretarial support.
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:55:01 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [ga] Competitive Roots  [was Additional Mailing Lists]

Hi Sotiris

> With all due respect, Patrick, I think it would be wise to leave aside the
> topic of competitive roots.  This, because  the competitive roots topic
> is really not an ICANN relevant topic; the ICANN intransigence on
> competitive roots is firmly entrenched and IMHO it will take a miracle
> to get the BoD to even comment on altroots.  After all, competitive roots
> are just that: competition.

Can't agree, honestly.  First it's an issue with New.net's drive to expand its
operations.  Secondly, many people will keep bringing it up if .biz gets
approved and operational.  Thirdly, there is going to have to be a debate
about MultiBind.  Fourthly, we need to consider multilinguals but this is a
diversion for many, if not most, on the main mailing list.    Finally I don't
see why we ought not to discuss the competition - Pepsi does !!

The whole issue really needs to be shunted off to a separate mailing list
somewhere.  Otherwise it will keep coming back to haunt the main list.

I know I have an interest in this topic but that's just good common sense.

Best regards
Patrick Corliss

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