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GA-DIGEST           Thursday, April 5 2001           Volume 01 : Number 350

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:11:35 -0400
From: [email-masked] (J. William Semich)
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

I also object, for the same reasons. 

And I'd like to request verification that the entity referred to, jo-uk, is
an actual, individual person, and not a personality "created" by some
"real" person for GA posting purposes only, in effect as a JOKE. Searches
on the Web only turn up references to this email address and name WRT ICANN
- - no other identifiable activity appears anywhere else, on any other topic.
The email address, the jo-uk, seems to have spontaneoulsy come to earth as
one of the many side effects of the creation of ICANN. No surprise that
some members of this list might think a JOKE is being played on them by the
entity behind the email address jo-uk.

Bill Semich

At 08:39 AM 4/5/01 -0400, Kevin J. Connolly wrote:
>I object.
>I object to the lack of even-handedness.
>While so many posters on this list feel not the least constrained by the
5-posts per day limit, others are squashed for making the very obvious
observation that the non-suspended partner in the exchange does indeed have
an email address that makes an English speaker think that it's some kind of
JOKE.
>
>Okay, go ahead. I said it too. You wanna suspend me now, too?
>
>Kevin J. Connolly
>Attorney and Counselor at Law
>Robinson Silverman Pearce Aronsohn & Berman, LLP
>1290 Sixth Aveue of the Americas
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>This note is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would come with
an invoice.
>
>Live, like there's no tomorrow.....
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>
>>>> Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]> 04/05/01 05:38AM >>>
>The monitor has watched with sadness and some amazement the degree of 
>innuendo and accusations being tossed around in the debate between Dave 
>Crocker and Joanna Lane.
>
>However, a new low was reached in 
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg00133.html, the last sentence ofD
> ave Crocker's mail.
>
>This was entirely irrelevant, inappropriate, and probably intended to be 
>insulting.
>(not being a native English speaker, I'm not even sure I get the point...)
>
>Dave Crocker <[email-masked]> is hereby suspended from the list for 2 
>weeks, until April 19, 2001.
>
>BTW: Initial complaints came from William Walsh and Chris Ambler. The 
>source of complaint was not a factor in the evaluation, but it is not onlym
> e who think this was over the line.
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:29:45 +0200
From: "Roberto Gaetano" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

Kevin,

I reminded earlier that we have a procedure for complaints.
We also have a procedure for appeals.
I will deal with requests for appeal (from the interested party or any other 
subscriber to the list), but may I ask to e-mail me personally and do not 
turn the abuse procedure into a public debate.

About the number of postings, if you have a specific case in mind, please 
file a complaint (reminding also that for the election week we lifted the 
restriction for the 4 candidates).

Best regards
Roberto

>From: "Kevin J. Connolly" <[email-masked]>
>To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:39:55 -0400
>
>I object.
>I object to the lack of even-handedness.
>While so many posters on this list feel not the least constrained by the 
>5-posts per day limit, others are squashed for making the very obvious 
>observation that the non-suspended partner in the exchange does indeed have 
>an email address that makes an English speaker think that it's some kind of 
>JOKE.
>
>Okay, go ahead. I said it too. You wanna suspend me now, too?
>
>Kevin J. Connolly
>Attorney and Counselor at Law
>Robinson Silverman Pearce Aronsohn & Berman, LLP
>1290 Sixth Aveue of the Americas
>New York, NY 10104
>212-541-1066/fax 212-541-1346
>This note is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would come with 
>an invoice.
>
>Live, like there's no tomorrow.....
>      Love, like you've never been hurt.....
>           And dance, like no one's watching.
>
> >>> Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]> 04/05/01 05:38AM >>>
>The monitor has watched with sadness and some amazement the degree of
>innuendo and accusations being tossed around in the debate between Dave
>Crocker and Joanna Lane.
>
>However, a new low was reached in
>http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg00133.html, the last sentence 
>ofD
>  ave Crocker's mail.
>
>This was entirely irrelevant, inappropriate, and probably intended to be
>insulting.
>(not being a native English speaker, I'm not even sure I get the point...)
>
>Dave Crocker <[email-masked]> is hereby suspended from the list for 2
>weeks, until April 19, 2001.
>
>BTW: Initial complaints came from William Walsh and Chris Ambler. The
>source of complaint was not a factor in the evaluation, but it is not onlym
>  e who think this was over the line.
>
>              Harald Alvestrand
>              List monitor
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:26:16 +0200
From: Jefsey Morfin <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] serious participation in ICANN processes

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am sorry to say that this discussion is of absolute no interest.
Either iCANN has international pretence and is and behaves as such,
or is a private interest californian corporation and is of no interest to us.

Is anyone serious considering if a NY juge could veto the Gulf war,
interfere with the Anti-Nuclear Treaty or order a stop to the Afghanistan
conflict because the UN are located in Mahattan ?

I am truely puzzled by the subjects of this GA ML. We currently
have a major change in the very nature of the Internet and of its
control. This will probably lead to a fossilized Internet with a direct
control of the SLDs and huge attempts to privacy in various countries
(China, USA, Italy, UK, may be France, ..) the whole thing taking
advantage/helping the ICANN/Staff private take over. This take
over ultimately leading to anti-trust action which may result in a
full governmental sterilization of the net.

And we discuss the way to add 100 votes together, the bags of
@large enveloppes, the californian law, the US administrative
procedures, the unpolitness of Mr. Crocker ... I wonder if this is
appropriate?

Jefsey

On 01:24 04/04/01, Roeland Meyer said:
>See Karl's answer below;
>
> > From: 'Kent Crispin' [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:17 PM
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:23:43PM -0400, Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > > Kent, I've copied a message I had prepared in response to
> > this same argument
> > > of yours on the WG-Review on Jan. 31st
> > >
> > (http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-review/Arc02/msg02292.html),
> > for the benefit
> > > of all on the GA List.  It went like this:
> > >
> > > "Ok Kent, I've read it a few times over and also gone to the CNPBCL
> > > Code.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Since, however, the @Large is able to vote in Directors of the Board,
> > does it not follow that such members are actually acting according to
> > the CNPBCL definition of "members" (i.e.  "5056.  (a)
> > "Member" means any
> > person who, pursuant to a specific provision of a
> > corporation's articles
> > or bylaws, has the right to vote for the election of a director or
> > directors...) ??? I'd appreciate a response."
> >
> > No, it doesn't mean that.
> >
> > To reiterate: 1) Contrary to the statement that started this thread, a
> > CNPBCL is not required to have members; 2) The ICANN bylaws
> > make it very
> > clear that the "Members" defined in the bylaws do not qualify
> > as members
> > under the CNPBCL code.  Karl Auerbach has a mischievous interpretation
> > of those laws, which you have picked up and will defend to the death,
> > but the people who crafted those bylaws knew what they were doing.
> >
> > I have been told that Karl bases his creative reading on a fundamental
> > misunderstanding (deliberate or not) of the legal view of
> > whose benefit
> > the bylaws are written for -- the bylaws are written for the
> > benefit of
> > the corporation; they are not written for the benefit of outside
> > parties.  If the corporation writes bylaws that state that
> > "we are going
> > to allow people to help us select directors, but that they
> > are not to be
> > considered members as defined in the CNPBL", then that's how
> > things are.
> >
> > So, bottom line, ICANN does not have members (as defined by the
> > CNPBCL), and it is under no legal obligation to have them.  There
> > really is no question about this.
>
>Yes there is ... and I'd rather take the word of a member of the California
>State BAR over yours. I note that you have made no IANAL disclaimers, are
>you pretending to be a lawyer?
>
>Thanks to Karl Auerbach for the following (posted with permission);
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Karl Auerbach [mailto:[email-masked]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:26 PM
> >
> > The person who posted gave only part of the story and as such
> > comes to an
> > incomplete conclusion.
> >
> > Sure the California statutes do allow non-membership corporations.
> >
> > But membership may arise from either a positive explicit
> > declaration in
> > the Corporation's organic documents (Articles of Incorporation or the
> > By-Laws) *OR* by the indirect consequences of procedures written into
> > those same documents.
> >
> > And one of those procedures through which a corporation comes to have
> > members is by having elections for directors pursuant to
> > provision in the
> > Articles or Bylaws. (Section 5056 of the California
> > Corporations Code.)
> >
> >   5056. (a) "Member" means any person who, pursuant to a specific
> >   provision of a corporation's articles or bylaws, has the
> >   right to vote for the election of a director or directors...
> >   "Member" also means any person who is designated in the articles
> >   or bylaws as a member and, pursuant to a specific provision of
> >   a corporation's articles or bylaws, has the right to vote on
> >   changes to the articles or bylaws.
> >
> > And under that section those who get the power to vote thereby become
> > members.
> >
> > (One can argue about the effectiveness of ICANN's use of an
> > resolution to try to avoid the "pursuant to a specific provision"
> > part of the statute.)
> >
> > A corporation can't override the statute and say that that
> > that implict declaration of membership (i.e. the election of directors)
> > doesn't cause membership to arise.
> >
> > See: http://www.cavebear.com/icann-board/platform.htm#full-members
> >
> > The provision that Crispin quoted is merely a catchall that
> > serves to say that if nothing in the Articles or Bylaws either
> > explicitly or implicitly causes a membership to arise, then
> > the corporation is still legal.
> >
> > There is no iconsistency between section 5310 and 5056. The
> > presence of a section 5056 election means that a corporation
> > has not effectively provided "in its articles that it shall
> > have no members."
> >
> > A draftsman can create a set of corporate documents, such as
> > ICANN's, in which there is both a declaration of no-membership
> > and provisions that do create membership.  But that is just
> > slopply lawyering.
> >
> > Notice that the first sentence of section 5310(a) merely allows a
> > corporations to *state* in its articles or bylaws that it
> > shall have no members.  But such a provision is, in and of itself,
> > nothing more than a bald statement.  The second sentence of 5310(a)
> > is the real meat - according to that sentence it is only the
> > *absence* of any membership-causing provision, such as 5056, anywhere
> > in the articles or bylaws that causes there to be no membership.
> >
> >               --karl--
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:28:27 -0700
From: "Tim Langdell, PhD" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

While agreeing this should not be endlessly debated in the public forum, I
too note that "rcn" -- whom Joanna Lane appears to work for
[email-masked])  -- does not appear to have a UK office. Perhaps Ms Lane
could respond?

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From: "J. William Semich" <[email-masked]>
To: "Kevin J. Connolly" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

> I also object, for the same reasons.
>
> And I'd like to request verification that the entity referred to, jo-uk,
is
> an actual, individual person, and not a personality "created" by some
> "real" person for GA posting purposes only, in effect as a JOKE. Searches
> on the Web only turn up references to this email address and name WRT
ICANN
> - no other identifiable activity appears anywhere else, on any other
topic.
> The email address, the jo-uk, seems to have spontaneoulsy come to earth as
> one of the many side effects of the creation of ICANN. No surprise that
> some members of this list might think a JOKE is being played on them by
the
> entity behind the email address jo-uk.
>
> Bill Semich
>
> At 08:39 AM 4/5/01 -0400, Kevin J. Connolly wrote:
> >I object.
> >I object to the lack of even-handedness.
> >While so many posters on this list feel not the least constrained by the
> 5-posts per day limit, others are squashed for making the very obvious
> observation that the non-suspended partner in the exchange does indeed
have
> an email address that makes an English speaker think that it's some kind
of
> JOKE.
> >
> >Okay, go ahead. I said it too. You wanna suspend me now, too?
> >
> >Kevin J. Connolly
> >Attorney and Counselor at Law
> >Robinson Silverman Pearce Aronsohn & Berman, LLP
> >1290 Sixth Aveue of the Americas
> >New York, NY 10104
> >212-541-1066/fax 212-541-1346
> >This note is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would come
with
> an invoice.
> >
> >Live, like there's no tomorrow.....
> >     Love, like you've never been hurt.....
> >          And dance, like no one's watching.
> >
> >>>> Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]> 04/05/01 05:38AM >>>
> >The monitor has watched with sadness and some amazement the degree of
> >innuendo and accusations being tossed around in the debate between Dave
> >Crocker and Joanna Lane.
> >
> >However, a new low was reached in
> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg00133.html, the last sentence
ofD
> > ave Crocker's mail.
> >
> >This was entirely irrelevant, inappropriate, and probably intended to be
> >insulting.
> >(not being a native English speaker, I'm not even sure I get the
point...)
> >
> >Dave Crocker <[email-masked]> is hereby suspended from the list for 2
> >weeks, until April 19, 2001.
> >
> >BTW: Initial complaints came from William Walsh and Chris Ambler. The
> >source of complaint was not a factor in the evaluation, but it is not
onlym
> > e who think this was over the line.
> >
> >             Harald Alvestrand
> >             List monitor
> >
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:51:21 +1000
From: "Patrick Corliss" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

Hi Bill

It looks to me that Joanna Lane is pretty well-established as a persona.   My
own search of http://www.google.com/  (and whois) revealed the following
information.  I could have searched more but thought that was enough.

Regards
Patrick Corliss

DNSO General Assembly voting registry
http://www.dnso.org/secretariat/rosterbylastname.html

Association for Domain Owner's Rights/Domain Owner's Constituency
http://www.ador-doc.org/pipermail/discuss/2000-December/000796.html

ICANN Internet Stakeholders
http://www.internetstakeholders.com/
Registrant & Admin Contact
Lane, Joanna [email-masked]
2960 Clubhouse Road
Merrick, NY 11566
US
516-868-5050
516-771-5678

DNSO [wg-review]
http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-review/Arc02/msg02640.html

[ICANN North American Forum]
http://nomad.tallship.net/pipermail/na-forum/2000-October/000017.html

Internet Democracy Project - ICANN Members Forum (Marina Del Ray)
http://www.icannmembers.org/Props/prop-5.html

- ----- Original Message -----
From: J. William Semich <[email-masked]>
To: Kevin J. Connolly <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

> I also object, for the same reasons.
>
> And I'd like to request verification that the entity referred to, jo-uk, is
> an actual, individual person, and not a personality "created" by some
> "real" person for GA posting purposes only, in effect as a JOKE. Searches
> on the Web only turn up references to this email address and name WRT ICANN
> - no other identifiable activity appears anywhere else, on any other topic.
> The email address, the jo-uk, seems to have spontaneoulsy come to earth as
> one of the many side effects of the creation of ICANN. No surprise that
> some members of this list might think a JOKE is being played on them by the
> entity behind the email address jo-uk.
>
> Bill Semich
>
> At 08:39 AM 4/5/01 -0400, Kevin J. Connolly wrote:
> >I object.
> >I object to the lack of even-handedness.
> >While so many posters on this list feel not the least constrained by the
> 5-posts per day limit, others are squashed for making the very obvious
> observation that the non-suspended partner in the exchange does indeed have
> an email address that makes an English speaker think that it's some kind of
> JOKE.
> >
> >Okay, go ahead. I said it too. You wanna suspend me now, too?
> >
> >Kevin J. Connolly
> >Attorney and Counselor at Law
> >Robinson Silverman Pearce Aronsohn & Berman, LLP
> >1290 Sixth Aveue of the Americas
> >New York, NY 10104
> >212-541-1066/fax 212-541-1346
> >This note is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would come with
> an invoice.
> >
> >Live, like there's no tomorrow.....
> >     Love, like you've never been hurt.....
> >          And dance, like no one's watching.
> >
> >>>> Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]> 04/05/01 05:38AM >>>
> >The monitor has watched with sadness and some amazement the degree of
> >innuendo and accusations being tossed around in the debate between Dave
> >Crocker and Joanna Lane.
> >
> >However, a new low was reached in
> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg00133.html, the last sentence ofD
> > ave Crocker's mail.
> >
> >This was entirely irrelevant, inappropriate, and probably intended to be
> >insulting.
> >(not being a native English speaker, I'm not even sure I get the point...)
> >
> >Dave Crocker <[email-masked]> is hereby suspended from the list for 2
> >weeks, until April 19, 2001.
> >
> >BTW: Initial complaints came from William Walsh and Chris Ambler. The
> >source of complaint was not a factor in the evaluation, but it is not onlym
> > e who think this was over the line.
> >
> >             Harald Alvestrand
> >             List monitor
> >
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:08:52 -0400
From: "Joanna Lane" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

I'm sorry, I'm late for a meeting, hence I cannot reply to this in full, but
let me put you straight on one thing immediately. I do not work for RCN. I
am an RCN customer and pay them for this email account. If you check the
Voting Roster of the GA, you will see my location as New York, which is
where RCN operates. I am happy to answer any other concerns you may have
when I have a little more time.
Joanna

While agreeing this should not be endlessly debated in the public forum, I
too note that "rcn" -- whom Joanna Lane appears to work for
[email-masked])  -- does not appear to have a UK office. Perhaps Ms Lane
could respond?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "J. William Semich" <[email-masked]>
To: "Kevin J. Connolly" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
<[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

> I also object, for the same reasons.
>
> And I'd like to request verification that the entity referred to, jo-uk,
is
> an actual, individual person, and not a personality "created" by some
> "real" person for GA posting purposes only, in effect as a JOKE. Searches
> on the Web only turn up references to this email address and name WRT
ICANN
> - no other identifiable activity appears anywhere else, on any other
topic.
> The email address, the jo-uk, seems to have spontaneoulsy come to earth as
> one of the many side effects of the creation of ICANN. No surprise that
> some members of this list might think a JOKE is being played on them by
the
> entity behind the email address jo-uk.
>
> Bill Semich
>
> At 08:39 AM 4/5/01 -0400, Kevin J. Connolly wrote:
> >I object.
> >I object to the lack of even-handedness.
> >While so many posters on this list feel not the least constrained by the
> 5-posts per day limit, others are squashed for making the very obvious
> observation that the non-suspended partner in the exchange does indeed
have
> an email address that makes an English speaker think that it's some kind
of
> JOKE.
> >
> >Okay, go ahead. I said it too. You wanna suspend me now, too?
> >
> >Kevin J. Connolly
> >Attorney and Counselor at Law
> >Robinson Silverman Pearce Aronsohn & Berman, LLP
> >1290 Sixth Aveue of the Americas
> >New York, NY 10104
> >212-541-1066/fax 212-541-1346
> >This note is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would come
with
> an invoice.
> >
> >Live, like there's no tomorrow.....
> >     Love, like you've never been hurt.....
> >          And dance, like no one's watching.
> >
> >>>> Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]> 04/05/01 05:38AM >>>
> >The monitor has watched with sadness and some amazement the degree of
> >innuendo and accusations being tossed around in the debate between Dave
> >Crocker and Joanna Lane.
> >
> >However, a new low was reached in
> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg00133.html, the last sentence
ofD
> > ave Crocker's mail.
> >
> >This was entirely irrelevant, inappropriate, and probably intended to be
> >insulting.
> >(not being a native English speaker, I'm not even sure I get the
point...)
> >
> >Dave Crocker <[email-masked]> is hereby suspended from the list for 2
> >weeks, until April 19, 2001.
> >
> >BTW: Initial complaints came from William Walsh and Chris Ambler. The
> >source of complaint was not a factor in the evaluation, but it is not
onlym
> > e who think this was over the line.
> >
> >             Harald Alvestrand
> >             List monitor
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Weinberg <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

	For God's sake.  One may or may not agree with Ms. Lane's
positions, but there is no doubt that she is a living, breathing person.  
Mr. Semich notwithstanding, I had no difficulty finding a year-old message
from Ms. Lane on the web on a topic completely unrelated to ICANN.  For
Mr. Langdell's benefit, I'll point out that RCN is an Internet service
provider (presumably Ms. Lane's), and that her username is hardly adequate
basis for his assumption that she is a UK resident.

	Whether this suspension was the best way to handle the nasty tone
on the list is another matter, but I respect Roberto's request that people
take that up with him privately.  Now can we get back to business?

Jon

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Tim Langdell, PhD wrote:

> While agreeing this should not be endlessly debated in the public forum, I
> too note that "rcn" -- whom Joanna Lane appears to work for
> [email-masked])  -- does not appear to have a UK office. Perhaps Ms Lane
> could respond?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J. William Semich" <[email-masked]>
> To: "Kevin J. Connolly" <[email-masked]>; <[email-masked]>;
> <[email-masked]>
> Cc: <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker
> 
> 
> > I also object, for the same reasons.
> >
> > And I'd like to request verification that the entity referred to, jo-uk,
> is
> > an actual, individual person, and not a personality "created" by some
> > "real" person for GA posting purposes only, in effect as a JOKE. Searches
> > on the Web only turn up references to this email address and name WRT
> ICANN
> > - no other identifiable activity appears anywhere else, on any other
> topic.
> > The email address, the jo-uk, seems to have spontaneoulsy come to earth as
> > one of the many side effects of the creation of ICANN. No surprise that
> > some members of this list might think a JOKE is being played on them by
> the
> > entity behind the email address jo-uk.
> >
> > Bill Semich
> >
> > At 08:39 AM 4/5/01 -0400, Kevin J. Connolly wrote:
> > >I object.
> > >I object to the lack of even-handedness.
> > >While so many posters on this list feel not the least constrained by the
> > 5-posts per day limit, others are squashed for making the very obvious
> > observation that the non-suspended partner in the exchange does indeed
> have
> > an email address that makes an English speaker think that it's some kind
> of
> > JOKE.
> > >
> > >Okay, go ahead. I said it too. You wanna suspend me now, too?
> > >
> > >Kevin J. Connolly
> > >Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > >Robinson Silverman Pearce Aronsohn & Berman, LLP
> > >1290 Sixth Aveue of the Americas
> > >New York, NY 10104
> > >212-541-1066/fax 212-541-1346
> > >This note is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would come
> with
> > an invoice.
> > >
> > >Live, like there's no tomorrow.....
> > >     Love, like you've never been hurt.....
> > >          And dance, like no one's watching.
> > >
> > >>>> Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[email-masked]> 04/05/01 05:38AM >>>
> > >The monitor has watched with sadness and some amazement the degree of
> > >innuendo and accusations being tossed around in the debate between Dave
> > >Crocker and Joanna Lane.
> > >
> > >However, a new low was reached in
> > >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg00133.html, the last sentence
> ofD
> > > ave Crocker's mail.
> > >
> > >This was entirely irrelevant, inappropriate, and probably intended to be
> > >insulting.
> > >(not being a native English speaker, I'm not even sure I get the
> point...)
> > >
> > >Dave Crocker <[email-masked]> is hereby suspended from the list for 2
> > >weeks, until April 19, 2001.
> > >
> > >BTW: Initial complaints came from William Walsh and Chris Ambler. The
> > >source of complaint was not a factor in the evaluation, but it is not
> onlym
> > > e who think this was over the line.
> > >
> > >             Harald Alvestrand
> > >             List monitor

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:23:44 -0700 
From: Roeland Meyer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [ga] New Privacy Initiative

> From: Joe Gluza [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:20 AM
> 
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> > Especially for Individual Domain Name Holders privacy of their home
> > adresses and protection against abuse of their email 
> adresses is a crucial
> > issue.
> >
> > At this point in time, only EU citizens enjoy such protection.
> <snip>
> 
> But probably not for much longer.  The story is that the US 
> is about to use the
> WTO to overturn EU privacy laws concerning Data Security 
> which are thought to
> constrain US business.

Can you provide URL for this?
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